The Logic Off Topic list

hi dennis.

you're not really suggesting that the meaning of "i got plenty of 
nothing" is obscure??
to claim its meaning is cloudy for "proper" english speakers is saying 
no more than a phrase in sanskrit is difficult for them.
except that they don't make baseless assumptions about sanskrit.
various english dialects have been studied widely and they have no more 
or less advantages than BBC english.
and their speakers use them as clearly and consistently and 
unambiguously.
the kind of grammar you have in mind appears to be limited and dated.

	"You just demonstrated the fault with your argument.  You had to
	remove "guitar" and replace it with the color which can easily be
	singular before it would make sense in your example."

replaced with the colour because "Chris" and "Marty" can also easily be 
singular.
that doesn't make it "red.......and white".
"red and white" is a singular item.

	"I hate to break this to you professor but "here" has no separate
	singular or plural form unless you happen to be talking about some
	other dimension."

"here" doesn't need two separate forms for the argument.
it is behaving as a singular item - as evidenced by "comes".

	"In the first case Chris and Marty were the subject (s) of the
	sentence that's why "were" is necessary because there are two of
	them.  In the second case the Singing is the subject of the sentence
	singing is singular so that is why you have to use "was"."

this is no comparison of like with like...
my second example could be improved though.....;-{

steve parker