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Hi,

The patchbay thread was a very interesting one imo and I got lots of 
useful information out of it. So, here's another question:

I'm looking for a general all-in-one ROMpler. I currently have an old 
Roland SoundCanvas 88 and a Technics WSA1r (which also has lots of 
samples), but I feel I could use a "good" ROMpler.

I'm looking into the following options:
* Roland XV5080
* Korg Trition Rack
* Emu Proteus 2000

I'd use it for all kinds of things: mostly dance projects, but I also 
need pop and R&B sounds. I know the features of all these synths, but 
it'd be interesting to read some comments on their studio usability and 
their sound. Any info you wanna share? If possible, please reply to the 
OT list. Thanks.

(this is CC'd to everyone who was involved in the original thread on the 
LUG)

Bye,
Joeri

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Joeri Vankeirsbilck
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I own a Korg Trinity and an XL-7 with a P2k Rom (Hardware version of 
the Proteus 2k module, which I used to have), and used a Korg Triton 
extensively for about six months at a previous day job. I also have a 
Korg Oasys sound card, which has, among other things, much of the 
Triton multisample set, and a module identical to the Triton signal 
sample playback section. (For $500 new - pretty neat)

Generally speaking, Korg boxes are very wet - they use the effects 
section on their boxes extensively. This can make working with them a 
little difficult for a couple of reasons - the sounds don't sound as 
good without the glistening effects (which you won't have the 
horsepower to do on multiple channels), and they are harder to fit in 
the mix. However, they do sound >really< good - there's a reason that 
the Triton is blowing away all the competition right now. Even on the 
Trin the sound are still awesome and 'current', and it does well as 
a 'single instrument at a time unit' over the XL-7, and softsynths.

The emu boxes (P2k etc) have a very sparse effects section. One the 
whole this is a good thing - they rely on good sounding samples to 
begin with. I started on the Trinity, and while it's still a gorgeous 
beast, I wish I had had something like the P2k - a very sparse 
effects section. Why? Dry instruments are much easier to grow 
musically with, and use in arrangements.

My 2 cents.

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Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:05 AM
Subject: [L-OT] What soundmodule


Hi,

The patchbay thread was a very interesting one imo and I got lots of 
useful information out of it. So, here's another question:

I'm looking for a general all-in-one ROMpler. I currently have an old 
Roland SoundCanvas 88 and a Technics WSA1r (which also has lots of 
samples), but I feel I could use a "good" ROMpler.

I'm looking into the following options:
* Roland XV5080
* Korg Trition Rack
* Emu Proteus 2000

I'd use it for all kinds of things: mostly dance projects, but I also 
need pop and R&B sounds. I know the features of all these synths, but 
it'd be interesting to read some comments on their studio usability 
and 
their sound. Any info you wanna share? If possible, please reply to 
the 
OT list. Thanks.

(this is CC'd to everyone who was involved in the original thread on 
the 
LUG)

Bye,
Joeri

-- 
Joeri Vankeirsbilck
joeri@...

Belway Productions      -     http://www.belway.com
List-admin   Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM






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Joeri V said:
"I'm looking into the following options:
* Roland XV5080
* Korg Trition Rack
* Emu Proteus 2000"

Joeri, I am currently using a P2K w/ Holy Grail ROM. I am Very happy with it, and would suggest it for anyone, no matter the musical style (although the Virtuoso is probably better for pure orchestral style arranging). The Grail is my main piano, and lacking any other better one, I am pretty happy with it. I have not used the Triton rack, although I love the Triton KB units. Especially the big dog w/ weighted KB. I would agree with serindippity that most of the presets are "wet" compared to the Proteus. I like the Proteus because the presets Are dryer and that Does make them fit into your arrangments better/easier. I have always played the Triton "alone", and really do not have a feel for how well it would fit with other non-Triton parts. I have been very seriously looking at the Roland 5080 myself. It seems like the most expandable of these units you mentioned, and there seems to be a wider range of ROMs available. Everybody I know says that the Roland ROMs are the most "realistic" samples you can get, if that is what you are looking for. I think that because of cost, I will probably opt for another Emu platform such as the Planet Earth, and then just max out the capacity of the two Emu boxes. I find that more than about 4 parts out of the Proteus, and you start to get midi chokes. You would have to have pretty simple parts to use all of it's polyphony. I am curious about the 5080 in that regard. I love the sounds in the Planet Earth, and I will buy it next, with a couple Roms for it. But the 5080 w/ a bunch of Roms, a small controller KB, and a laptop with LAP, would sure make a great portable system. By the way, the Virtuoso unit would also make a killer ROM platform. It's sounds are really awesome if you are doing symphonic/string section type stuff, like soundtracks or scoring. It has the most realistic violas, cellos, harps, bassoons, oboes, four part sections, that I have heard. Luck

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What is the OS in your P2k? There have been frequent revisions. 
Perhaps the midi choking you are experiencing has been fixed - I've 
never had the problem.


--- In logic-ot@y..., Barry Michael <dzogchen2002@y...> wrote:
> 
>  Joeri V said:
> "I'm looking into the following options:
> * Roland XV5080
> * Korg Trition Rack
> * Emu Proteus 2000"
> 
> Joeri, I am currently using a P2K w/ Holy Grail ROM. I am Very 
happy with it, and would suggest it for anyone, no matter the musical 
style (although the Virtuoso is probably better for pure orchestral 
style arranging). The Grail is my main piano, and lacking any other 
better one, I am pretty happy with it. I have not used the Triton 
rack, although I love the Triton KB units. Especially the big dog w/ 
weighted KB. I would agree with serindippity that most of the presets 
are "wet" compared to the Proteus. I like the Proteus because the 
presets Are dryer and that Does make them fit into your arrangments 
better/easier. I have always played the Triton "alone", and really do 
not have a feel for how well it would fit with other non-Triton 
parts. I have been very seriously looking at the Roland 5080 myself. 
It seems like the most expandable of these units you mentioned, and 
there seems to be a wider range of ROMs available. Everybody I know 
says that the Roland ROMs are the most "realistic" samples you can 
get, if that is what you are looking for. I think that because of 
cost, I will probably opt for another Emu platform such as the Planet 
Earth, and then just max out the capacity of the two Emu boxes. I 
find that more than about 4 parts out of the Proteus, and you start 
to get midi chokes. You would have to have pretty simple parts to use 
all of it's polyphony. I am curious about the 5080 in that regard. I 
love the sounds in the Planet Earth, and I will buy it next, with a 
couple Roms for it. But the 5080 w/ a bunch of Roms, a small 
controller KB, and a laptop with LAP, would sure make a great 
portable system. By the way, the Virtuoso unit would also make a 
killer ROM platform. It's sounds are really awesome if you are doing 
symphonic/string section type stuff, like soundtracks or scoring. It 
has the most realistic violas, cellos, harps, bassoons, oboes, four 
part sections, that I have heard. Luck
> 
> BarryM 
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>By the way, the Virtuoso unit would also make a killer ROM platform.
>It's sounds are really awesome if you are doing 
>symphonic/string .section type
>stuff, like soundtracks or scoring. It has the most realistic 
>violas, cellos,
>harps, bassoons, oboes, four part sections, that I have heard. Luck

You liked them?

I thought they stunk, myself, but each to their own.

sserendipity

Dear Joeri;

I got the Korg Oasys  for the 500$ guitar centre deal , its the best
sounding all in one synth considering how versatile it is , its more
powerful and includes the technology of the prophecy and the Z1, Physical
analog and acoustic modelling "Prophet synth, 303, analog drums, Organs, Sax
and winds....", Sample playback with a great collection of drum sounds, and
its an FX card, how about a 40 sec multi-Delay, and it integrates with logic
very well, its the equivalent of a fully expanded triton with the moss board
"in fact the triton is based on the Oasys project" the only drawback is that
it cant handle a lot of parts without running out of DSP " 480 mps motorola"
but you can just record the tracks as 24-bit audio internally and mute the
output so you get the dsp back, or you can route them through Adat to your
RME card:

http://www.korg.com/oasyspci.htm

I got the Korg Oasys  for the 500$ guitar centre deal , its the best
sounding all in one synth considering how versatile it is , its more
powerful and includes the technology of the prophecy and the Z1, Physical
analog and acoustic modelling "Prophet synth, 303, analog drums, Organs, Sax
and winds....", Sample playback with a great collection of drum sounds, and
its an FX card, how about a 40 sec multi-Delay, and it integrates with logic
very well, its the equivalent of a fully expanded triton with the moss board

 Im just trying to think where one would use a 40 second delay? any ideas?

LjGarrett


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Ambient electronica, film music, experimental music, sound design,  it can
make a nice rhythmic substance,not in country music for sure....

> Im just trying to think where one would use a 40 second delay? any ideas?