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Thats not what I heard. The Arab coalition wouldn't agree to invading 
Bagdad - although no army stood in the way of the American and British 
armies. They expected and believed that the Iraqi people would rise up 
and revolt. There were isolated rebels in the south and the Kurds in the 
north. Unfortunately, the US and England didn't defend them sufficiently 
and it died out. It takes a real army to defeat that bastard, not a bunch 
of ragtag desserters and shop keepers.

>> Because dropping Saddam would have meant the fundamentalists would
>> have come to power.  Choosing between two evils...  And so after our
>> oil-supply has been secured (Gulf-war), Saddam is now allowed to
>> terrorize his own people, while the western world sits back and does
>> nothing...
>
>The reason Colin Powell gave was that they didn't want to occupy the country
>long term, and that they felt they would have to do that to stabilize it if
>they took out Saddam.  Makes sense, if only from a purely operational
>view....

That's what he said in an interview a few days ago when asked.

> From: GAmoore@...
> Reply-To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 00:05:39 EDT
> To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [L-OT] OT Goodbye / Hussein
> 
> Thats not what I heard. The Arab coalition wouldn't agree to invading
> Bagdad - although no army stood in the way of the American and British
> armies. They expected and believed that the Iraqi people would rise up
> and revolt. There were isolated rebels in the south and the Kurds in the
> north. Unfortunately, the US and England didn't defend them sufficiently
> and it died out. It takes a real army to defeat that bastard, not a bunch
> of ragtag desserters and shop keepers.
> 
>>> Because dropping Saddam would have meant the fundamentalists would
>>> have come to power.  Choosing between two evils...  And so after our
>>> oil-supply has been secured (Gulf-war), Saddam is now allowed to
>>> terrorize his own people, while the western world sits back and does
>>> nothing...
>> 
>> The reason Colin Powell gave was that they didn't want to occupy the country
>> long term, and that they felt they would have to do that to stabilize it if
>> they took out Saddam.  Makes sense, if only from a purely operational
>> view....
> 
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Not getting how this is exclusive from the message being replied to?

----- Original Message -----
From: <GAmoore@...>
To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:05 PM
Subject: [L-OT] OT Goodbye / Hussein


> Thats not what I heard. The Arab coalition wouldn't agree to invading
> Bagdad - although no army stood in the way of the American and British
> armies. They expected and believed that the Iraqi people would rise up
> and revolt. There were isolated rebels in the south and the Kurds in the
> north. Unfortunately, the US and England didn't defend them sufficiently
> and it died out. It takes a real army to defeat that bastard, not a bunch
> of ragtag desserters and shop keepers.
>
> >> Because dropping Saddam would have meant the fundamentalists would
> >> have come to power.  Choosing between two evils...  And so after our
> >> oil-supply has been secured (Gulf-war), Saddam is now allowed to
> >> terrorize his own people, while the western world sits back and does
> >> nothing...
> >
> >The reason Colin Powell gave was that they didn't want to occupy the
country
> >long term, and that they felt they would have to do that to stabilize it
if

> >they took out Saddam.  Makes sense, if only from a purely operational
> >view....
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Because there's a difference between 'I heard from some unknown source
that's what their strategy was' and 'this is what they directly stated'.

> From: "Wilson Zorn" <wilson.zorn@...>
> Reply-To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 02:41:15 -0700
> To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [L-OT] OT Goodbye / Hussein
> 
> Not getting how this is exclusive from the message being replied to?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <GAmoore@...>
> To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:05 PM
> Subject: [L-OT] OT Goodbye / Hussein
> 
> 
>> Thats not what I heard. The Arab coalition wouldn't agree to invading
>> Bagdad - although no army stood in the way of the American and British
>> armies. They expected and believed that the Iraqi people would rise up
>> and revolt. There were isolated rebels in the south and the Kurds in the
>> north. Unfortunately, the US and England didn't defend them sufficiently
>> and it died out. It takes a real army to defeat that bastard, not a bunch
>> of ragtag desserters and shop keepers.
>> 
>>>> Because dropping Saddam would have meant the fundamentalists would
>>>> have come to power.  Choosing between two evils...  And so after our
>>>> oil-supply has been secured (Gulf-war), Saddam is now allowed to
>>>> terrorize his own people, while the western world sits back and does
>>>> nothing...
>>> 
>>> The reason Colin Powell gave was that they didn't want to occupy the
> country
>>> long term, and that they felt they would have to do that to stabilize it
> if
>>> they took out Saddam.  Makes sense, if only from a purely operational
>>> view....
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>

Got it thanks.  The only thing I'd add is that to assume that the leaders
being quoted would say something accurate is a bit of a leap.  I think I
already quoted Churchill on this by way of having been reminded it by Hunter
S. Thompson's recent article on ESPN.com but anyway, truth is the first
casualty of war.  Either way, though, yes I understand now your point.

----- Original Message -----
From: "marc lindahl" <marc@...>
To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [L-OT] OT Goodbye / Hussein


> Because there's a difference between 'I heard from some unknown source
> that's what their strategy was' and 'this is what they directly stated'.
>
> > From: "Wilson Zorn" <wilson.zorn@...>
> > Reply-To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 02:41:15 -0700
> > To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [L-OT] OT Goodbye / Hussein
> >
> > Not getting how this is exclusive from the message being replied to?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <GAmoore@...>
> > To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:05 PM
> > Subject: [L-OT] OT Goodbye / Hussein
> >
> >
> >> Thats not what I heard. The Arab coalition wouldn't agree to invading
> >> Bagdad - although no army stood in the way of the American and British
> >> armies. They expected and believed that the Iraqi people would rise up
> >> and revolt. There were isolated rebels in the south and the Kurds in
the
> >> north. Unfortunately, the US and England didn't defend them
sufficiently
> >> and it died out. It takes a real army to defeat that bastard, not a
bunch
> >> of ragtag desserters and shop keepers.
> >>
> >>>> Because dropping Saddam would have meant the fundamentalists would
> >>>> have come to power.  Choosing between two evils...  And so after our
> >>>> oil-supply has been secured (Gulf-war), Saddam is now allowed to
> >>>> terrorize his own people, while the western world sits back and does
> >>>> nothing...
> >>>
> >>> The reason Colin Powell gave was that they didn't want to occupy the
> > country
> >>> long term, and that they felt they would have to do that to stabilize
it
> > if
> >>> they took out Saddam.  Makes sense, if only from a purely operational
> >>> view....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> From: "Wilson Zorn" <wilson.zorn@...>
> 
> Got it thanks.  The only thing I'd add is that to assume that the leaders
> being quoted would say something accurate is a bit of a leap.  I think I
> already quoted Churchill on this by way of having been reminded it by Hunter
> S. Thompson's recent article on ESPN.com but anyway, truth is the first
> casualty of war.  Either way, though, yes I understand now your point.

Sure, I agree... you can't take it as face value, but at least you know the
source.  Remember the 'wear sunblock' quote attributed to Kurt Vonnegut Jr.,
circulating the web a while ago?  Well, for those that don't know, he never
gave that speech, it was a hoax.

In a message dated 9/23/01 12:29:56 PM, marc lindahl <marc@...> writes:

>Remember the 'wear sunblock' quote attributed to Kurt Vonnegut Jr.,
>circulating the web a while ago?  Well, for those that don't know, he never
>gave that speech, it was a hoax.  

Well, that speech wasn't a hoax, it was a column written several years ago 
for the Chicago Tribune by Mary Schmich (who writes regularly for the Trib), 
that somehow became attibuted to Vonnegut.

FWIW,

-Marshall

> From: marzzz@...
> 
> Well, that speech wasn't a hoax, it was a column written several years ago
> for the Chicago Tribune by Mary Schmich (who writes regularly for the Trib),
> that somehow became attibuted to Vonnegut.

True - the hoax was the attribution.

> Sure, I agree... you can't take it as face value, but at least you know
the
> source.  Remember the 'wear sunblock' quote attributed to Kurt Vonnegut
Jr.,
> circulating the web a while ago?  Well, for those that don't know, he
never
> gave that speech, it was a hoax.
>

He did make a speech to the graduating class of MIT where instead of urging
them to 'wear sunblock' he told them to brush their teeth :)



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