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If Mark Lennox message below is meant to make the point of "put the past
behind us and
lets build a peaceful future" then I wholeheartedly agree with that
sentiment.

There now follows a very naive and hopelessly optimistic wish............

Why cant these extremeist Islamic terrosists, the Jews in Israel, the
Lebanese, and everyone else involved -"put the past behind us and
lets build a peaceful future" ??

Out of all the countries I have visited (OK, not actually all that many) The
United States  and Ireland (Eire) were easliy the most friendly countries
and by that, of course, I mean the people

peace to all

John
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Lennox <mark@...>
To: Logic OT <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 24 September 2001 11:11
Subject: [L-OT] OT: Ireland and its terrorists


> Just as an aside...
>
> here in Ireland most generally consider that acts perpetrated by those
> involved in the 1916 rising were patriotic and justified as we now live in
a
> free Ireland.... well. We are about to disinter the coffins of some of
these
> 'heroes' parade them around Dublin and rebury them with full state
honours.
> These men (one of whom was only eighteen at the time) murdered bristish
> soldiers while they were collecting bread for their battallion. The
> attackers were caught and hanged... quite rightly.
>
> I think it is disgusting that we should consider a parade for these people
> ( who were murderers from any point of view ) while Ireland is trying to
> forge a new future and especially in the light of the disaster in NYC.
>
> Many would argue that the Irish have had atrocities heaped upon them by
the
> English for centuries and this leads to some sort of justification... We
> Irish have responded in kind ( through our proxies and through acceptance
of
> the status quo ) - to what end?
>
> John Hume, the leader of the SDLP in Northern Ireland was accused of
> supporting the IRA when he sat down with Gerry Adams to talk him into some
> sort of movement toward peace talks many years ago. His action lead
directly
> to the peace talks as we know them today....
>
> "I am a politican, politics is about debate. The fact that I sit down and
> listen to what the IRA has to say does not mean that I support them.
Debate
> is the only means to resolution of the troubles and I will do all in my
> power to bring about that resolution whatever the professional cost.' -
John
> Hume ( paraphrased )
>
> Certain world leaders right could take a lesson from this man.
>
> and the dictionary definition of debate:
>
> de\ufffdbate (d-bt)
> v. de\ufffdbat\ufffded, de\ufffdbat\ufffding, de\ufffdbates
> v. intr.
> To consider something; deliberate.
> To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
> To engage in a formal discussion or argument. See Synonyms at discuss.
> Obsolete. To fight or quarrel.
>
> v. tr.
> To deliberate on; consider.
> To dispute or argue about.
> To discuss or argue (a question, for example) formally.
> Obsolete. To fight or argue for or over.
>
> n.
> A discussion involving opposing points; an argument.
> Deliberation; consideration: passed the motion with little debate.
> A formal contest of argumentation in which two opposing teams defend and
> attack a given proposition.
> Obsolete. Conflict; strife.
>
>
> the road to peace begins with acceptance of the fact that you MIGHT be
wrong

>
> peace :)
>
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