The Logic Off Topic list

Teddy Kumpel wrote:
>> I think my judgement is pretty good. I can always do more to protect the
>> environment, but unfortunately the corporations can make more money if they
>> don't think that way...

Dennis gunn wrote:
> 
> Yes environmental consiousness is good but I hope you not implying
> that you have become afflicted with the virulent form of insanity
> that is leading some of the inmates here into the delusion that this
> is a war about environmental issues?  I find it truly ghoulish that
> some people around here most notably Sascha and Spectro seem so eager
> to twist and coopt the nature of the tragedy to serve their own
> personal cause.

Please, don't read that into what i wrote and group me with other people's
opinions! I never implied anything like that in anything i wrote and i hate
being pigeon holed. I never vote party lines and I have lots of views that
contradict each other if read from a strict party line. I'm a true
independent, thank you.

> 
> Environmentalism is too important an issue to be subverted by well
> meaning people distorting unrelated issues in an attempt to make them
> appear to support the cause and thus damaging the credibility of the
> more responsible members of the movement.

true, although the dependency on oil Middle east surely has a subtle hand in
this new war. lots of things do.

> 
> The big problem we've got right now is fanaticism.  It has lots of
> subsets the main ones screwing us up at the moment seem to me to be
> Fundamentalism, Nationalism, and Zionism all of which when taken to
> extremes cause people to loose sight of the bigger picture and
> eventually harm not only their perceived adversaries but themselves
> and their allies as well.  Please do not add environdementalism to
> the list.

how about those right wing Christians on the 700 club... or is that included
in fundamentalism? probably is, I agree that is the biggest problem. we are
all brothers and sisters on this planet, just some people fail to be mature
enough to realize that (or we're *abused as children* and have not gone to
therapy *or insert your favorite early childhood environment that arrests
development of the rational human mind). I wish Bush wasn't a fundamentalist
Christian. That really sucks right now. America was not founded on Christ,
is was founded on freedom, including religion, and I think that the word God
is taken to literally by the fanatics, and they have a group hallucination
that the country belongs to them because their God is on the freakin' dollar
bill. This is my least favorite aspect of America.

> 
>> Maybe Ralph Nader will be the next president of the US.
> 
> Heaven forbid.

hahaha... maybe somebody better will come along...

> 
>> Nostradamus predicts (after the events of 9/11 and according to a TV show
>> made in the late 70's with Orson Welles MC-ing, filtered and simplified
>> through me who doesn't believe anything)
>> 
>> this war will last 27 years
>> Afghanistan and Pakistan will no longer exist when it's over
>> NYC may become unlivable because of underground fires
>> there will be a thousand years of peace after the war
>> 
>> interestingly morbid eh...
> 
> Every time there is a big event someone somewhere brings up
> Nostrodamus.   I guess we are all familiar with the one reference
> lately that after making a big stir around the net turned out to have
> been lifted not from Nostrodamus's writings but from a college thesis
> about the ease with which is writings could be interpreted to mean
> *anything*.

i am familiar with that one, i read urbanlegends/about.com

did you know the nazis read Nostradamus and loved the part that says the
Germans will conquer the Francs while they're led by "Hister"? they actually
were dropping propoganda flyers on France before they invaded to let them
know what was going to happen. unfortunately they didn't read the rest that
said Hister would be defeated. maybe they would've.... nah, they wouldn't
have.

teddy kumpel
brooklyn, NY