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I remember that case also. I don't know the merits of the two sides. 
Evidently the author was not a crackpot but actually an academician with some 
credibility. 

I lesson I took away from that sad episode is that what happened in the Nazi 
Death camps is to not to be questioned. Its something you just don't talk 
about. However, I do know that many others besides Jews were killed - 
homosexuals, gypsies, political prisoners, etc. I have no doubt that it was a 
terrible tragedy for the Jewish community of Europe.  This is also borne out 
by the large number of movies and staggering number of books and research 
about this subject (Shindler's list etc.).

However, it is easy to imagine that the Jews were the only to suffer and die. 
Actually the Russians lost about 20M,  the Chinese about 10-15M, and Japan 
about 4M. So there was plenty of suffering going around. However, there very 
little written and no movies about the Chinese holocaust. So the media shapes 
our opinion.

That is why Americans don't give a shit about Palestinians and Arabs - the 
only place they see them is in  "Navy Seals" or "Delta Force" movies made in 
Israel featuring Arab bad guys. They don't see the reality of life and death. 
This is the message the Prince was trying to get across, which was 
misunderstood. Frankly, I think Guiliani reacted too swiftly and I think it 
was not within his authority to make that decision. He should have asked the 
federal government, state department, or the victims of the families who 
would have recieved the $10M. 

Do you see the common thread in both cases? People are so convinced they know 
the truth that they react with anger and hostility to protect their world 
vision - nevermind the facts. Gilliani just can not accept the fact that we 
have a problem in the Arab lands that lead to this disaster - rightly or 
wrongly.

At 11:42 PM -0400 10/13/01, GAmoore@... wrote:
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>That is why Americans don't give a shit about Palestinians and Arabs -

I don't think this is true.


>the
>only place they see them is in  "Navy Seals" or "Delta Force" movies made in
>Israel featuring Arab bad guys.

Image problems abound.

>They don't see the reality of life and death.
>This is the message the Prince was trying to get across, which was
>misunderstood. Frankly, I think Guiliani reacted too swiftly and I think it
>was not within his authority to make that decision. He should have asked the
>federal government, state department, or the victims of the families who
>would have recieved the $10M.

Associating the Palestinian cause with the Sept 11 attack is the last 
thing the Palestinians need and the last thing the Prince should have 
been doing.  That's why I don't particularly see anything wrong with 
Gulliani refusing the money.
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Last night I was watching pictures of 2 towns in Afghanistan bombed wrongly
by the American plains, it was mostly injured women and children, the men
where out fighting and the pictures where so moving, babies injured and
crying in what is supposed to be a hospital..... This was all on Al-jazeera
TV, while BBC and CNN had 2 programs talking about the Al-jazeera being
"provocative", even Larry King had a "talk" with an al-jazeera
representative live, The American government has instructed all the media
NOT to publish any of those pictures, all what was said that a Bomb
weighting  one Ton missed its target, along with the common pentagon
briefing....Amazing, what happened to freedom of speech?

Logic Baby wrote:

>Amazing, what happened to freedom of speech?
Not yet completely dead.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,573882,00.html

There were 3, maybe 4, other similar reports like this printed in the 
British Press yesterday, but for some reason the sites for the two 
newspapers that ran them are down right now. Don't know why ... but I 
honestly don't think it's part of any conspiracy!!

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>>Amazing, what happened to freedom of speech?

Its been mentioned on CNN and MSNBC yesterday and today.

The problem I am worrying about is Pakistan. It could turn into a civil war, 
with a taliban like government taking over. They are the only moslem country 
to have nuclear weapons. These bombing mistake incidents, while terrible, 
could be used to inflame these masses of brainwashed fundamentalists. One of 
the MSNBC journalists in Pak, Ashley Banfield, said people threw rocks at 
her, but they noticed some of those chanting "Jihad" were children who 
giggled when they said it.

Well, as you can see the government's instructions are being ignored, so in
this case the freedom seems to be preserved - for now.

During WWII we had much tighter restrictions on what could be told about on
radio.  Interestingly DC Comics was going to publish a comic book that
alluded to an atomic sort of weapon and the government banned it when they
learned of it.

Hunter S. Thompson wrote a pretty good article about this at
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/thompson/010918.html .  Whether you read it or
not, I like the old Churchill quote, "The first casualty of War is always
Truth." and moreover "In wartime, the Truth is so precious that it should
always be surrounded by a bodyguard of Lies."

----- Original Message -----
From: "LogicBaby" <basharar@...>
To: "logic ot yahoogroups.com" <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: [L-OT] Apology / Media Manipulation


> Last night I was watching pictures of 2 towns in Afghanistan bombed
wrongly
> by the American plains, it was mostly injured women and children, the men
> where out fighting and the pictures where so moving, babies injured and
> crying in what is supposed to be a hospital..... This was all on
Al-jazeera

> TV, while BBC and CNN had 2 programs talking about the Al-jazeera being
> "provocative", even Larry King had a "talk" with an al-jazeera
> representative live, The American government has instructed all the media
> NOT to publish any of those pictures, all what was said that a Bomb
> weighting  one Ton missed its target, along with the common pentagon
> briefing....Amazing, what happened to freedom of speech?
>
>
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