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Everyone argued with me when I suggested that economic strength affect 
musicians and studios..... from another list today :

>> Hard times may be upon us.  I was just talking with a fellow v/o spot
>> guy in another market, and he, like me, has been asked by a major
>> client to *reduce* his fees by 15 per cent.  Yikes!  I was just
>> considering raising them by 10.   We're pondering this, and dreaming
>> of those wonderful AFTRA days.  Any of you getting that kind of evil
>> request?
>
>
>Here in SE Asia I don't remember a job where I HAVEN'T been asked to reduce
>rates in the last two years!

GA Moore wrote:

>Everyone argued with me when I suggested that economic strength affect
>musicians and studios..... from another list today :

Since I am one of those 'everyone's' ......

If all you had really wanted to say was: "when the economy turns down then 
musicians must also tighten their belts along with everyone else" then that 
simple statement is surely what you should have stuck to saying. That very 
simple declaration would have been just fine. However, it really did not 
seem to me that this is all you were claiming .. and I have referred back 
to your earlier posts and it still does not seem that way to me. I accept, 
however, that I could have totally misinterpreted you .... so ......

If what you want is an admission from me that I was very wrong in 
everything I said to you on this matter then you can have an immediate 
retraction.

Dear GA Moore I was completely wrong in everything I said earlier. The 
wealth of an economy does indeed "affect" both musicians and studios.

How you choose to interpret the word "affects" is entirely up to you.


I was very wrong in everything I said earlier about Mozart and Bach and 
economics and elastic and inelastic demand and anything and everything 
concerning those specific topics.

I am also very sorry to have crossed you ... I am very sorry to have 
questioned you ... and I will try very hard never again to cross or to 
question you on any other matter nor concerning anything you might have to say.

I hope it is enough for you that I have admitted to the error of my ways; 
that I have bowed down and admitted to certain misconceptions about 
economics and music; and I hope you will accept that I am very grateful to 
you for having corrected all my earlier misinformation and for having 
increased my knowledge.

Kool Musick
Keep Musick Kool


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Kool said
>I am also very sorry to have crossed you ... I am very sorry to have 
>questioned you ... and I will try very hard never again to cross or to 
>question you on any other matter nor concerning anything you might have to 
>say.
>
>I hope it is enough for you that I have admitted to the error of my ways; 
>that I have bowed down and admitted to certain misconceptions about 
>economics and music; and I hope you will accept that I am very grateful to 
>you for having corrected all my earlier misinformation and for having 
>increased my knowledge.

Hey this is embarassing to watch. Thanks, I guess, but you don't need to 
go this extreme. My only point of the last post was that people like 
argue things on a theoretical basis, even when what is bein said is 
fairly clear and true. Sometimes we just get on our high horses in ARGUE 
mode, and insist on our ways, even if we are getting further and further 
from reality. 

Please get up, dust yourself off, and have some dignity man! I look 
forward to your disagreeing with me in the future.

ga moore wrote:
>>Everyone argued with me when I suggested that economic strength affect
>>musicians and studios..... 

i agree that, of course, the state of an economy always affects musicians;
in my general (professional) experience, though, the weak periods in the 
*american* economy have been my more financially 'fruitful' ones --- both in 
the usa, and abroad.
why?
i don't know.....
best,
dt / s-c

>ga moore wrote:
> >>Everyone argued with me when I suggested that economic strength affect
> >>musicians and studios...

dt / s-c (texture444) wrote:
>i agree that, of course, the state of an economy always affects musicians;

Not a lot to argue with there, actually. The state of an economy always 
affects music and musicians. Come to that, the state of the economy always 
affects everybody. Not sure, but I think this is called 'a truism' 'cause 
this is pretty much how an economy is defined.


>in my general (professional) experience, though, the weak periods in the
>*american* economy have been my more financially 'fruitful' ones --- both in
>the usa, and abroad.
Yeah.
Most curious that.
Not at all obvious, is it, that things sometimes work that way? And ... who 
on earth would have thought that expenditure on music could actually 
increase as the surrounding economy weakens ... or, for that matter, that 
it could diminish even as the economy strengthens? Most curious. Who'd have 
thought a thing like that could happen??!!! But ... you're obviously the 
living proof that it does. When the economy hardens, you somehow seem to 
earn more ... and when it softens then (presumably) you somehow end up 
earning less (for at least a short while). Lots of documented cases. 
Certainly enough for the phenomenon to have a proper name. "Reverse goods" 
they're called (sometimes 'inferior goods' ('cause when there's more money 
people buy less of them)). So ... is or is not music a reverse good ... and 
... if it is then when does this reversing show itself? Etc etc etc. Hmmm. 
Lot to think about there.

>why?
Indeed.

>i don't know.....
Well ... I was seriously thinking of giving you an answer to your question. 
But then ... I thought better of it. Sorry 'bout that. You'll have to work 
out why I had my mind change for yourself. Anyway, if you're lucky someone 
else will answer it for you.

Kool Musick
Keep Musick Kool


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