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Hi there

I feel a bit sorry to bring on the subject of upgrading, since many 
of the times this has happened before, it has ended in quite 
longwinded threads with a considerable amount of abuse involved; this 
is just a simple question and I would really just like a simple 
answer (preferably from one of the emagic guys). After that, I'll 
leave the subject again.

I finally ordered my upgrade, wanting to go from LAWG4 to LAWP5. I 
had by a few emails from my local distributor (Roland Scandinavia, 
distributing emagic in Denmark) understood that I would have to first 
upgrade LAWG4 to LAWP4, then LAWP4 to LAWP5. However, the dealer 
called Roland while I waited, and heard that an upgrade that goes 
directly from gold4 to platinum5 will be available within the next 
months. If that's true, it would certainly be nice, probably save me 
some money. Can anyone confirm that this product will be released?

He also said, that while the LAWP4 -> LAWP5 should land in Denmark 
this friday, the LAWG4 -> LAWP5 wont be available for at least 
another month. Having learned from the users here, that the upgrade 
is actually nothing but a fresh CD installer for LAWP5, I don't 
understand why the gold4 -> platinum5 is so much different from the 
platinum4 -> platinum5, that I couldn't just get one of these CDs 
landing this friday? I mean, since they don't actually relate to the 
software previously installed, the CD should be the same, shouldn't 
it? Or am I missing some point here? The dealer I spoke to was 
equally baffled - we both agreed that it didn't make much sense 
saying "we sell this product available from this friday, and then we 
sell another product which is exactly the same, only it wont be 
available for another month".

Any comments and/or explanations??

regards

monsdrum

--- In logic-ot@y..., "monsdrum" <monsdrum@m...> wrote:

> I finally ordered my upgrade, wanting to go from LAWG4 to LAWP5. I 
> had by a few emails from my local distributor (Roland Scandinavia, 
> distributing emagic in Denmark) understood that I would have to 
first 
> upgrade LAWG4 to LAWP4, then LAWP4 to LAWP5. However, the dealer 
> called Roland while I waited, and heard that an upgrade that goes 
> directly from gold4 to platinum5 will be available within the next 
> months. If that's true, it would certainly be nice, probably save 
me 
> some money. Can anyone confirm that this product will be released?

This is what they told me. LAWG4 -> LAWP5 will be available in about 
3 months.

Joeri suggested that I pointed my question directly at emagic, since 
apparently none of the emagic guys subscribe to the list. Here is the 
reply that I got:

monsdrum@... schreibt:
>Hi
>
>I posted a question to the OT logic list on Yahoo, and got this reply
>from the moderator. Would you care to comment, please??
>
>regards
>
>David Mondrup
>
>------------------------
>
>I dont' know... and there are no Emagic people on the OT list afaik. 
>Better mail them privately & to the info@... etc...
>
>monsdrum wrote:
>
>>Hi there
>>
>>I feel a bit sorry to bring on the subject of upgrading, since many 
>>of the times this has happened before, it has ended in quite 
>>longwinded threads with a considerable amount of abuse involved; 
this 
>>is just a simple question and I would really just like a simple 
>>answer (preferably from one of the emagic guys). After that, I'll 
>>leave the subject again.
>>
>>I finally ordered my upgrade, wanting to go from LAWG4 to LAWP5. I 
>>had by a few emails from my local distributor (Roland Scandinavia, 
>>distributing emagic in Denmark) understood that I would have to 
first 
>>upgrade LAWG4 to LAWP4, then LAWP4 to LAWP5. However, the dealer 
>>called Roland while I waited, and heard that an upgrade that goes 
>>directly from gold4 to platinum5 will be available within the next 
>>months. If that's true, it would certainly be nice, probably save 
me 
>>some money. Can anyone confirm that this product will be released?
>>
>>He also said, that while the LAWP4 -> LAWP5 should land in Denmark 
>>this friday, the LAWG4 -> LAWP5 wont be available for at least 
>>another month. Having learned from the users here, that the upgrade 
>>is actually nothing but a fresh CD installer for LAWP5, I don't 
>>understand why the gold4 -> platinum5 is so much different from the 
>>platinum4 -> platinum5, that I couldn't just get one of these CDs 
>>landing this friday? I mean, since they don't actually relate to 
the 
>>software previously installed, the CD should be the same, shouldn't 
>>it? Or am I missing some point here? The dealer I spoke to was 
>>equally baffled - we both agreed that it didn't make much sense 
>>saying "we sell this product available from this friday, and then 
we 
>>sell another product which is exactly the same, only it wont be 
>>available for another month".
>>
>>Any comments and/or explanations??
>>
>>regards
>>
>>monsdrum
>>
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>-- 
>Joeri Vankeirsbilck
>joeri@...
>
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Hello,

Logic Plantinum 5 does not only come with a new CD; it includes a new 
USB
dongel as well. 
The dongle is -from the technical point of view -different for 
upgrades
and updates and: The box itself includes different content (in the 
upgrade
box, there´s a complete new manual and, and and). 

Beste Grüsse, best Regards
InfoCenter GERMANY
EMAGIC Hard- and Software GmbH
Halstenbeker Weg 96, D-25462 Rellingen
Tel.04101-495-116
Fax 04101-495-199
info@...
www.emagic.de

Thoughts from the mind of monsdrum, 20-02-2002:

>Logic Plantinum 5 does not only come with a new CD; it includes a new
>USB dongel as well.
>The dongle is -from the technical point of view -different for
>upgrades and updates and: The box itself includes different content (in the
>upgrade box, there´s a complete new manual and, and and).
>
>Beste Grüsse, best Regards
>InfoCenter GERMANY
>EMAGIC Hard- and Software GmbH
>Halstenbeker Weg 96, D-25462 Rellingen
>Tel.04101-495-116
>Fax 04101-495-199
>info@...
>www.emagic.de

This is a bit weird imo.  I too ordered the Gold to Platinum, 4 to 5 
upgrade, and my dealer's guess was that it should arrive in a few 
weeks (not months).  The manual story doesn't seem to hold much water 
either, since, as far as I know, the Gold and Platinum manuals are 
the same.  Or at least: in the Gold manual e.g. all plug-ins are 
treated, but it's mentioned which of them are platinum only.  Ditto 
for TDM hardware support and other platinum-only features.

As for the dongle: since we're talking about a completely new 
install, how can there be a technical difference between the update & 
upgrade dongles?

So personally I guess I would be just as happy with the Platinum 
updater, as I can't see how it's supposed to differ from the 
Gold-Platinum upgrade.

Maybe I'm overlooking something obvious though...


cheers,
HJ
-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

--- In logic-ot@y..., Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:
> Thoughts from the mind of monsdrum, 20-02-2002:
> 
> >Logic Plantinum 5 does not only come with a new CD; it includes a 
new
> >USB dongel as well.
> >The dongle is -from the technical point of view -different for
> >upgrades and updates and: The box itself includes different 
content (in the
> >upgrade box, there´s a complete new manual and, and and).
> >
> >Beste Grüsse, best Regards
> >InfoCenter GERMANY
> >EMAGIC Hard- and Software GmbH
> >Halstenbeker Weg 96, D-25462 Rellingen
> >Tel.04101-495-116
> >Fax 04101-495-199
> >info@e...
> >www.emagic.de
> 
> This is a bit weird imo.  I too ordered the Gold to Platinum, 4 to 
5 
> upgrade, and my dealer's guess was that it should arrive in a few 
> weeks (not months).  The manual story doesn't seem to hold much 
water 
> either, since, as far as I know, the Gold and Platinum manuals are 
> the same.  Or at least: in the Gold manual e.g. all plug-ins are 
> treated, but it's mentioned which of them are platinum only.  Ditto 
> for TDM hardware support and other platinum-only features.
> 
> As for the dongle: since we're talking about a completely new 
> install, how can there be a technical difference between the update 
& 
> upgrade dongles?
> 
> So personally I guess I would be just as happy with the Platinum 
> updater, as I can't see how it's supposed to differ from the 
> Gold-Platinum upgrade.
> 
> Maybe I'm overlooking something obvious though...
> 
> 
> cheers,
> HJ

It's nice to see that someone other than me have the same difficulty 
understanding this. I would like to remind you repliers what Joeri 
told me, that none of the emagic guys actually read this list, so we 
wont be getting any "inside" answers out of these posts. I will 
hereby ask you to send a mail to emagic themselves about this, either 
to Michael or Markus privately, or, if you think they are being 
burdened enough already with this (I do), then to info@.... 
Hopefully we can provoke emagic to comment officially on this, or at 
least give an explanation that makes sense.

regards

monsdrum

Thoughts from the mind of monsdrum, 21-02-2002:

>It's nice to see that someone other than me have the same difficulty
>understanding this. I would like to remind you repliers what Joeri
>told me, that none of the emagic guys actually read this list, so we
>wont be getting any "inside" answers out of these posts. I will
>hereby ask you to send a mail to emagic themselves about this, either
>to Michael or Markus privately, or, if you think they are being
>burdened enough already with this (I do), then to info@....
>Hopefully we can provoke emagic to comment officially on this, or at
>least give an explanation that makes sense.

Oh well...  I don't mind that much, personally, if it takes a bit 
longer before v5 arrives.  I probably won't have much time to do 
anything sensible (musically :) in the upcoming months anyway, so 
it's not that much of an issue to me.  And since it seems that the 
demo-period for plugins starts as soon as you install the software 
(bummer, btw), I'd rather have the software at a time that I _do_ 
have time to play around with it...
I'll just give it another few weeks at least, before contacting my 
dealer or emagic themselves.  In the meantime, if anyone finds out 
anything, then of course it would be nice if (s)he kept the list 
updated.  After all, it's not very useful if multiple users bombard 
info@emagic with the exact same question.

cheers,
HJ
-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html