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Re: [LUG] LAM/GEN: New VST Instruments

Re: [LUG] LAM/GEN: New VST Instruments

2002-02-26 by Hendrik Jan Veenstra

Thoughts from the mind of Ronald C.F. Antony, 26-02-2002:

>  > Why is it that 99% of all VST synths seem to be emulations of really
>>  old gear?  Hammond B4, mellotron, Rhodes piano, Clavinet, old digital
>>  gear like the PPG Wave, an endless array of analog synths, etc -- the
>>  list goes on ad infinitum.
>
>Could it be that these are less CPU intensive to emulate? A K2600 with
>up to 92 oscillators active, w/o even counting the processing going on
>in the KDFX unit seems like it would burn serious CPU cycles..

Good point.  OTOH, there _are_ things between a Mini Moog and a 
K2600, right? :-)  I mean, a M1 uses a 68000 processor -- should be 
feasible to emulate on a G4, me thinks.  And even then: why emulate a 
particular existing synth?  Why not just make something "along the 
lines of..."?

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

[L-OT] Re: [LUG] LAM/GEN: New VST Instruments

2002-02-27 by Dennis Gunn

>Thoughts from the mind of Ronald C.F. Antony, 26-02-2002:
>
>>   > Why is it that 99% of all VST synths seem to be emulations of really
>>>   old gear?  Hammond B4, mellotron, Rhodes piano, Clavinet, old digital
>>>   gear like the PPG Wave, an endless array of analog synths, etc -- the
>>>   list goes on ad infinitum.
>>
>>Could it be that these are less CPU intensive to emulate? A K2600 with
>>up to 92 oscillators active, w/o even counting the processing going on
>>in the KDFX unit seems like it would burn serious CPU cycles..
>
>Good point.  OTOH, there _are_ things between a Mini Moog and a
>K2600, right? :-)  I mean, a M1 uses a 68000 processor -- should be
>feasible to emulate on a G4, me thinks.  And even then: why emulate a
>particular existing synth?  Why not just make something "along the
>lines of..."?

I agree.  I have high hopes for the next generation of stuff from NI. 
Brian clevinger is hinting about a successor to  Absynth, and Kontakt 
is looking like it will be the BOMB.

[L-OT] Re: [LUG] LAM/GEN: New VST Instruments

2002-02-27 by Hendrik Jan Veenstra

Thoughts from the mind of Dennis Gunn, 27-02-2002:

>  >why emulate a particular existing synth?  Why not just make 
>something "along >the lines of..."?
>
>I agree.  I have high hopes for the next generation of stuff from NI.
>Brian clevinger is hinting about a successor to  Absynth, and Kontakt
>is looking like it will be the BOMB.

Ah... Absynth on steroids would be very cool :).  And what is this 
Kontakt?  Company or hyperlink?

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

[L-OT] Re: [LUG] LAM/GEN: New VST Instruments

2002-02-27 by Spectro

Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>

>
>Ah... Absynth on steroids would be very cool :).  And what is this
>Kontakt?  Company or hyperlink?

NI's answer to Halion, EXS24 etc...
...ie software sampler

http://www.native-instruments.net/index.php?kontakt_us

S.
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Re: [LUG] LAM/GEN: New VST Instruments

2002-09-06 by erkdemon

--- In logic-ot@y..., Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:

> And even then: why emulate a 
> particular existing synth?  Why not just make something "along the 
> lines of..."?

A few possibles:

1: it means that you don't have to go through a great big R&D process 
deciding what envelopes to include, what to control, what to miss 
out, etc etc. With software, half the work is the specification, when 
duplicating an existing synth, the spec (and inspiration) is right 
there in front of you. You know that you won't end up with something 
that doesn't really "work" as a satisfying instrument, because people 
already like the original.

2: People know in advance what they are buying, and shops don't have 
to put up with people spending half an hour playing a softsynth to 
see if they get on with it or not. This is a DX7 emulator. You like 
DX7 sounds, you buy it. You don't like DX7 sounds, buy something 
else. Simple. As far as the marketing is concerned you can sum up 
what your product does in one snappy line: "It's a Pro-1 (or 
whatever) in software."

3: With some emulators, you get to use existing legacy libraries. Buy 
an FM7, and get rid of all your old Yammy gear, knowing for certain 
that you aren't losing any important sounds.

4: Pre-testing. Even if you don't know what a pro-1 sounds like, you 
know that some people out there liked the sounds, and you can read 
reviews and descriptions of what sorts of sounds they are. People 
tend not to create painstaking emulations of synths that people 
didn't like. 

5: Designer satisfaction. If you've produced a damned-near-perfect 
emulation of a particular synth or instrument, you can sit back and 
congratulate yourself on a job well done, and its easy for people to 
seer that you've done a good job. People will play your software and 
say, my god that's a great emulation of a Thingy electric piano.
If you choose to create your own version of an synthetic piano sound, 
people might grow to like it as a classic in its own right, but 
you'll have a harder job persuading people that its not just an 
emulation of existing electric piano sounds that doesn't work very 
well.

6: No blame. People can't complain that your softsynth doesn't do X, 
because you can say, well, it's an authentic replica, and the 
original didn't do X, either. You're normally off the hook. <g>
Although I do find the way that that PPG emulator doesn't let you use 
patch names it quite maddening! 

Ultimately, for all you know, there might be loads of people out 
there designing software instruments that are new and novel, but you 
probably won't hear most of them because either they actually aren't 
very usable (or at least don't warrant the "classic" tag), or because 
they aren't being worked up into full commercial products because 
they aren't as saleable as say a JP8 emulator. 
If you want "new" sounds, you might be interested in something like 
NI's "Reaktor", which lets people design and swap instruments. But 
you might find that most of the more "original" ones are a bit too 
esoteric, because one designer's idea of a nice new sound is another 
adiea of a horrible noise. 

Erk

[L-OT] Re: [LUG] LAM/GEN: New VST Instruments

2002-09-07 by erkdemon

--- In logic-ot@y..., Spectro <spectro@o...> wrote:
> 
> NI's answer to Halion, EXS24 etc...
> ...ie software sampler
> 
> http://www.native-instruments.net/index.php?kontakt_us

Ooo, they do a crossgrade!
  http://www.native-instruments.net/index.php?kontaktswitch_us

Erk

[L-OT] Re: [LUG] LAM/GEN: New VST Instruments

2002-09-07 by Dennis Gunn

>--- In logic-ot@y..., Spectro <spectro@o...> wrote:
>>
>>  NI's answer to Halion, EXS24 etc...
>>  ...ie software sampler
>>
>  > http://www.native-instruments.net/index.php?kontakt_us

In important difference.  Kontakt does not stream.  I wish they would 
do something about that.  It makes it impossible or at least very 
unpeasant to use big "GIGA" type instruments.

[L-OT] Re: [LUG] LAM/GEN: New VST Instruments

2002-09-11 by Hendrik Jan Veenstra

Thoughts from the mind of erkdemon, 06-09-2002:

>--- In logic-ot@y..., Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:
>
>>  And even then: why emulate a
>>  particular existing synth?  Why not just make something "along the
>>  lines of..."?
>
>A few possibles:
>
[sensible points deleted]

Man... when on earth did I write the above quote?  A year ago or so? 
Or more?  Things coming back to haunt you... :-)

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

[L-OT] Re: [LUG] LAM/GEN: New VST Instruments

2002-09-11 by Spectro

Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...> wrote:

>Thoughts from the mind of erkdemon, 06-09-2002:
>
>>--- In logic-ot@y..., Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:
>>
>>>   And even then: why emulate a
>>>   particular existing synth?  Why not just make something "along the
>>>   lines of..."?
>>
>>A few possibles:
>>
>[sensible points deleted]
>
>Man... when on earth did I write the above quote?  A year ago or so?
>Or more?  Things coming back to haunt you... :-)


Seems to be a common preoccupation right now...

S.
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Re: [L-OT] Re: [LUG] LAM/GEN: New VST Instruments

2002-09-13 by TazmnianDv@aol.com

>Man... when on earth did I write the above quote?  A year ago or so? 
>Or more?  Things coming back to haunt you... :-)
>

You're a legend!  All these clever witticisms over the years are being 
reviewed for gems of wisdom, which may later be condensed to "Best of HK" 
book.

Re: [L-OT] Re: [LUG] LAM/GEN: New VST Instruments

2002-09-13 by Hendrik Jan Veenstra

Thoughts from the mind of TazmnianDv@..., 13-09-2002:

>  >Man... when on earth did I write the above quote?  A year ago or so?
>  >Or more?  Things coming back to haunt you... :-)
>
>You're a legend!  All these clever witticisms over the years are being
>reviewed for gems of wisdom, which may later be condensed to "Best of HK"
>book.

LOL! :-)  But, ehrm... it's "HJ" actually :-)

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

Re: [LUG] LAM/GEN: New VST Instruments

2002-09-13 by Howard Wooten

>   From: Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...>
>
>Thoughts from the mind of TazmnianDv@..., 13-09-2002:
>
>>  >Man... when on earth did I write the above quote?  A year ago or so?
>>  >Or more?  Things coming back to haunt you... :-)
>>
>>You're a legend!  All these clever witticisms over the years are being
>>reviewed for gems of wisdom, which may later be condensed to "Best of HK"
>>book.
>
>LOL! :-)  But, ehrm... it's "HJ" actualy :-)


Artistic license.......

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the matter. They may also choose to edit and/or rewrite the entire contents.

<g>

howard


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