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This its a important question for my business.
Below are my home working tools:
Mackie D8B digital mixing desk,digital outs and ins for computer 
comunication.
Mac G4 466 with somes HD (one just for audio purpouses)
Software: Potools LE with digi 001 interface an Pci card.
Logic audio platinum 7.4.3
Plugins : TC Bundle,Waves gold bundle,antares autotune and 
mic modeler etc,etc... ( I think the best for the present) Plus the 
plugins from the Mackie D8b (revs,delays..) 
System monitoring: two Genelec 1030A.
Enviroment Without acoustic treatment.(I will do it soon.)
Here it came my question.
If i make all the recording for my musical produccions in a 
professional studio in the town.Can i bring all that tracks to 
home and continue mixing them for to obtain a final 
professsional work just for to deliver it to the record company?
As many of us I am producer,song writer,musician,etc,and,till 
now, i have done all my mixes in comercial studios having at 
home a professional stuff that normally we only use it for 
monitorization my sound modules.
Its dificult to me to obtain good mixes in comercial studios.There 
is a lot of reasons.
The main ,its dificult to me to work with diferent stuff on every big 
studios that I use to go because each mixer desk or outboard 
gear are diferent from a place to another.And the engineers not 
ever are the people who are the best work mate for me.I like the 
sound but not the final mix result.Because i did it in a 
unconfortable enviroment.
Whe i bought all my gear three years ago,i never thought that the 
digital tecnology it could oferr to me the facility of doing good 
professional releases at home.Because all the time i was 
thinking that i was buying 
broadcast or projet focused gear, good for demos and litle works 
but not for serious releases.
Till now i have done all the mix work as one more 
engineer/producer.But i never thought that my home gear could 
obtain
top quality .
May i take this decision without the fear of being wrong or may i 
need to buy more class A tuff?(Already i know I must make some 
acustic treatment in my working room before, but I am just 
talking about all my stuff)
I wish to know if there is any one making final professional 
works with a stuff like the mine.
The kind of music that I do its wide (from folk to dance 
music,beides Pop)
I need some help of you to take a good decision.
Thanks
Sory for my english Im from Madrid

>This its a important question for my business.
>Below are my home working tools:
>Mackie D8B digital mixing desk,digital outs and ins for computer
>comunication.
>Mac G4 466 with somes HD (one just for audio purpouses)
>Software: Potools LE with digi 001 interface an Pci card.
>Logic audio platinum 7.4.3
>Plugins : TC Bundle,Waves gold bundle,antares autotune and
>mic modeler etc,etc... ( I think the best for the present) Plus the
>plugins from the Mackie D8b (revs,delays..)
>System monitoring: two Genelec 1030A.
>Enviroment Without acoustic treatment.(I will do it soon.)
>Here it came my question.
>If i make all the recording for my musical produccions in a
>professional studio in the town.Can i bring all that tracks to
>home and continue mixing them for to obtain a final
>professsional work just for to deliver it to the record company?

In my opinion there is just one thing missing.  You need some kind of 
DSP card like the TC power core or the UA powered plugins card. 
Native pluigins are nice but there is simply a huge difference in 
quality when you  use a DSP card.  In my case I use a TDM system for 
the DSP to run plugins there are native plugins that I prefer for 
certain tasks but for the really critical comps and EQs the 
difference in quality of DSP plugins is just too great.

>May i take this decision without the fear of being wrong

Never.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: delfinx2000 [mailto:delfinx@...]
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 2:59 AM
> To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [L-OT] important question to me


> As many of us I am producer,song writer,musician,etc,and,till
> now, i have done all my mixes in comercial studios having at
> home a professional stuff that normally we only use it for
> monitorization my sound modules.
> Its dificult to me to obtain good mixes in comercial studios.There
> is a lot of reasons.
> The main ,its dificult to me to work with diferent stuff on every big
> studios that I use to go because each mixer desk or outboard
> gear are diferent from a place to another.And the engineers not
> ever are the people who are the best work mate for me.I like the
> sound but not the final mix result.Because i did it in a
> unconfortable enviroment.

A common problem... Often, studio-engineers are quite professional in using
their gear, but the social realition between them and the
musicians/composers is sometimes difficult. Nevertheless, they often work
over years to learn how to do dense and musical mixing - no thing done over
night. But if I were you, I would go ahead and learn how to mix!

> Whe i bought all my gear three years ago,i never thought that the
> digital tecnology it could oferr to me the facility of doing good
> professional releases at home.Because all the time i was
> thinking that i was buying
> broadcast or projet focused gear, good for demos and litle works
> but not for serious releases.
> Till now i have done all the mix work as one more
> engineer/producer.But i never thought that my home gear could
> obtain
> top quality .

I would avoid using the Reverb-algorithms of the D8B-plugs as well as any
other native Reverb except maybe Renaissance Reverb from Waves-company. They
sound too cruel... But regarding the other stuff: people mixed hits on much
worse stuff...

> May i take this decision without the fear of being wrong or may i
> need to buy more class A tuff?(Already i know I must make some
> acustic treatment in my working room before, but I am just
> talking about all my stuff)
> I wish to know if there is any one making final professional
> works with a stuff like the mine.
> The kind of music that I do its wide (from folk to dance
> music,beides Pop)
> I need some help of you to take a good decision.

I think you're on a good way. Most important for a good sound are the
recordings (at least if it's not all MIDI-stuff). For this you should use
the knowledge, the microphones, the rooms and the fine AD-Converters of a
good studio. At least you should avoid using the mediocre AD/DACs of the
D8B, and with a good microphoning, you won't have to do too much EQing as
well, as the EQs in the D8B aren't very good, too... With a little more
money for some good Reverbs (preferable with digital in/out as ie.
TC-Reverbs) or as posted with a DSP-card, you can approach in mixing,
without fear about bad-sounding gear. Maybe an engineer from Madrid has some
time to show you basics of compressing and eqing, and here you go! Good
luck!!

> Sory for my english Im from Madrid

Ah, Madrid! Had a hellish 14 hours on the Madrid-trainstation in 1999. with
drug-police (and their lucky-at-me-looking dog), and only half an hour
sleep... but its a wonderful city, full of life!

regards,

	Tim

PS.: you should update your LAMP to 4.8.1 - its for free. Visit emagic in
the Internet for download!

Hi Dennis.Are you  Dsp card user?. I would like to know your 
opinion about this  device.It works totally well with  all 
squencers?

>Hi Dennis.Are you  Dsp card user?. I would like to know your
>opinion about this  device.It works totally well with  all
>squencers?

No I am seriously considering getting a DSP card to use on the native 
tracks I run alongside the TDM tracks.  The problem for me is PCI 
slots.  With three digidesign cards and a video card for my second 
monitor all mine are full.  I am thinking about getting a Dual Head 
AGP card so I could get rid of the second video card I have in one of 
my PCI slots but I am really not to happy about the idea putting any 
more money into this computer when I am pretty sure I will be buying 
another Mac whenever the new models come out.

I may just bite the bullet and buy one pretty soon anyway.