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Seeing how many Logic 6/ Mac people are happy with Native Instruments 
Battery drums as VST plug-in in their set-ups, thinking of getting it, 
sounds great on the demos! Ease of use, sounds etc?

Many thanks,

Paul.

>Seeing how many Logic 6/ Mac people are happy with Native Instruments 
>Battery drums as VST plug-in in their set-ups, thinking of getting it, 
>sounds great on the demos! Ease of use, sounds etc?
>
I love Battery.  I don't write anything without it.  Sounds are great.  
Very easy to use.  You can even edit the samples. 

Regards,
Dave

I would say a great initial offering ...which was sadly lacking in some key 
areas ... and then left to die on the vine in about two years without updates. 
NI is busily making more money on other products. I am really pissed at being 
abandoned. I am hoping that Apple/Emagic's new drum synth will come out soon.


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TazmnianDv@... wrote:
> I would say a great initial offering ...which was sadly lacking in some
key
> areas ... and then left to die on the vine in about two years without
updates.
> NI is busily making more money on other products. I am really pissed at
being
> abandoned. I am hoping that Apple/Emagic's new drum synth will come out
soon.

I must agree here.
While Battery isn't a bad thing at all, the lack of real updates (and not
just small bugfixes) is a shame.
There's a whole lot things that are pretty much inacceptable or at least not
understandable.
Just a few examples:
- There's not even a global filter module (one of the reasons I still use
the EXS for drums as well).
- When exchanging samples, the size of the "open" dialog is not resizeable -
you may now say that this is a minor thing, but once you work with large
sample directories you will just know what I mean! ENDLESS scrolling!
- Controller assignment is just uberlame as it's a global setting. Once you
transfer songs to another computer, your recorded controller movements will
either result in nothing or something completely different, unless the
global controller assignments are 100% the same on the other machine. I
would really like to know who is responsible for that sort of nonsense...
- Individual cells don't light up when you press a key as long as no sample
is loaded - if you'd know FXPansions DR 008 you would also know what a huge
advance this is.
- Amount of cells is too small. There's 127 MIDI notes, why limit the number
of cells to 54??? Especially when dragging slices of recycled loops onto it
you will quickly wish for more cells!
- No drag and drop between cells of different instances. Again, once you
would've seen the DR-008 (a shame that it is PC only). You can just load one
of your favourite patches and then extract some cells to another instance.
- Editing layers is nothing else but a pain.
- etc etc

There's a lot more I could mention. Yes, for OSX Battery most likely is the
best choice, but that doesn't mean too much...
Personally, I am still using a PC and I have to use three different
instruments for drums as none of them does it all.
DR 008 for ease of use and the various "modules" it offers.
Battery in case I like to alter the sound of a complete patch.
The EXS for its filter.

Btw, I don't think the new Emagic drum synth will change anything as it
won't allow you to load your own samples. It will surely sound kickass, but
IMO the lack of a serious "one-size-fits-all" drum module will remain.

Regards,
Sascha

On 04-04-02 06.42,  "Sascha Franck" <S.Franck@...> wrote:

> Personally, I am still using a PC and I have to use three different
> instruments for drums as none of them does it all.
> DR 008 for ease of use and the various "modules" it offers.
> Battery in case I like to alter the sound of a complete patch.
> The EXS for its filter.
> 
> Btw, I don't think the new Emagic drum synth will change anything as it
> won't allow you to load your own samples. It will surely sound kickass, but
> IMO the lack of a serious "one-size-fits-all" drum module will remain.
> 
> Regards,
> Sascha


At NAMM Fxpansion announced the upcoming Drum Nine. Specifications are
looking good and it's known to draw on the DR-008, taking that concept even
further. What I miss most today, when using apple machine for Logic, is the
excellent DR-008 that never made it into the Mac world.

Best wishes

Per Boysen
-- 
www.boysen.se
www.looproom.com

also lacking in Battery 

... if you move a kit, and then open a logic song with that kit, you get a 
message asking for some specific sample file - but the window is unmovable so 
you can't see the other names, nor search for what kit that file occurs in - 
thus you would need to know the name of the kit in advance.

... the multiple outputs works....but there is no way you would be able to 
guess that - and everyone asks about it - in no way intuitive

... also you have to add about 25MB of Ram to Logic for each instance of 
Battery. For example if you recycle a few loops then you need an instance for each 
loop.

... and there were about 12 other things which I don't recall now, that I 
carefully wrote out and sent to NI - and even got a response - which was like 
"that might be a good change" or "but that is not necessary because (some 
convoluted way to do it) exists"...nonetheless they never made any changes in two 
years.


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<TazmnianDv@...> wrote:
> ... if you move a kit, and then open a logic song with that kit, you get a
> message asking for some specific sample file - but the window is unmovable
so
> you can't see the other names, nor search for what kit that file occurs
in -
> thus you would need to know the name of the kit in advance.

Well, at least Battery gives you an option to search all your HDs for that
sample. Better than nothing, even if it might take a while.
However, when working with Battery, as soon as I'm halfway done, I save all
my patches in my song folder.

> ... the multiple outputs works....but there is no way you would be able to
> guess that - and everyone asks about it - in no way intuitive

Honestly, this I like in Battery. The non-intuitive thing here might be
Logic's way of handling multiple outputs, but even that is fine with me.


> nonetheless they never made any changes in two
> years.

A shame indeed. For I while I was posting tons of possible enhancements in
N.I.'s forum and got almost only positive responses, even from some N.I.
employees... thus, nothing happened at all.

> The two features about Battery I like over the EXS -
> 1. You can drag and drop a bunch of samples and have them load
sequentially
> automatically
> 2. individually tweak samples in many ways.

I'd like to add that it's a REAL shame that you need to save a patch first
with the EXS to work with it at all.
There's no other sample based virtual instrument requiring such a nonsense.
No matter if it's Kontakt, Battery, HALion or whatever... you just load a
sample and play it, everything is saved within the song, you only need to do
a "save patch as" whenever you'd like to re-use this certain patch in any
other song.

> Why can't just one company get it right?

You better ask them - but most likely they won't answer.

Sascha

Hi,

Here's mulling over those new PBs but there's something I have to ask. Can
they boot into "Classic Mode"?

My G5 can not, since they are OS X only due to hardware issues, and rendered
my Jam CD burning software useless. Apple only writes out that "Panther
comes bundled" but will the PBs run Jam?

Best wishes

Per Boysen
-- 
www.boysen.se
www.looproom.com

> Here's mulling over those new PBs but there's something I have to ask. Can
> they boot into "Classic Mode"?

No Mac could ever boot in to Classic Mode; you can run Classic in OS X, or
you can boot into OS 9.

I do not think any of the current machines, desktop or laptop, can boot
into OS 9, but there is no restriction on Classic (other than those apps
that simply cannot run in classic mode, of course).

On 04-04-27 21.18,  "Brian Pylant" <bappo@...> wrote:

>> Here's mulling over those new PBs but there's something I have to ask. Can
>> they boot into "Classic Mode"?
> 
> No Mac could ever boot in to Classic Mode; you can run Classic in OS X, or
> you can boot into OS 9.


Ok, thanks. So you're saying that Classic Mode is a OS 9 emulation in OS X?
Right?
 
> I do not think any of the current machines, desktop or laptop, can boot
> into OS 9, but there is no restriction on Classic (other than those apps
> that simply cannot run in classic mode, of course).


Do you know about the application I was specifically asking for, Jam? Does
it run on Classic?

Best wishes

Per Boysen
-- 
www.boysen.se
www.looproom.com

> Ok, thanks. So you're saying that Classic Mode is a OS 9 emulation in OS
> X?
> Right?

Exactly. Well, almost exactly. It's not OS 9 emulation, it *is* OS 9
running in a protected memory space in OS X. However, since it's running
inside of OS X some programs have trouble, especially those that need
direct acccess to hardware. Which leads me to:



> Do you know about the application I was specifically asking for, Jam? Does
> it run on Classic?

I do not know for certain (I run Jam natively in OS X), however I would
guess that the editing portion *might* run in Classic, but the burning
portion would not function. Which may or may not prevent the app from
launching, again I'm not really sure - is there a reason you don't run Jam
natively in OS X? Haven't upgraded, perhaps?

I despise Jam (clunky, unintuitive, cumbersome, feature-poor, etc.), but
sadly as I mentioned in my post from yesterday there seems to be nothing
available for OS X that works like CD Architect on Windows... a shame,
really.

> 
>> Do you know about the application I was specifically asking for, Jam? Does
>> it run on Classic?

On 04-04-27 22.59,  "Brian Pylant" <bappo@...> wrote:
 
> I do not know for certain (I run Jam natively in OS X), however I would
> guess that the editing portion *might* run in Classic, but the burning
> portion would not function. Which may or may not prevent the app from
> launching, again I'm not really sure - is there a reason you don't run Jam
> natively in OS X? Haven't upgraded, perhaps?
> 
> I despise Jam (clunky, unintuitive, cumbersome, feature-poor, etc.), but
> sadly as I mentioned in my post from yesterday there seems to be nothing
> available for OS X that works like CD Architect on Windows... a shame,
> really.


Thank you for the deep answer! No I have not upgraded Jam for many years. I
used to burn on my old powerbook with a scssi burner because my main studio
Mac was too slow (had Digi hardware for harddisc recording, though). Then I
started to burn from a PC and my powerbook finally died two years ago. Last
time I was using Jam it ran on OS 8.1. My PC mobo died one year ago and I
ordered a new one that arrived here Dead On Arrival. I mailed the company
for a new one but they just sent me my money back instead. Then the G5 was
announced and I bought into that right away.

Last week a friend sold me a MSI mobo for the pc and I thought I should kick
that old hardware into action again. Had XP installed and everything was
just fine - until the transformer died on the second boot.

BTW, does anyone know if you can set "saving preferences" in Panther? Every
time I save a document I have to choose the folder to save into. I wish the
machine could remember last saving location for every application.

Best wishes

Per Boysen
-- 
www.boysen.se
www.looproom.com

--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, Per Boysen <per@b...> wrote:
> Here's mulling over those new PBs but there's something I have to ask. 
> Can they boot into "Classic Mode"?

No, none of the Aluminium powerbooks can boot OS 9. The last poerbooks
to boot OS 9 were the 867MHz and 1GHz Titanium.
 
> My G5 can not, since they are OS X only due to hardware issues, and 
> rendered my Jam CD burning software useless.

Jam is available as a native app for OS X (I am running Jam 5.0.1).
Older versions will not run in Classic mode.

John Pitcairn

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