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What a bunch of greedy assholes.
I can only hope someone sues them to death, so they can just stick up their
overpriced cables up where they belong...


- Sascha

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>

Ridiculous.
I will gladly support the boycott.
No cable is worth the outrageous prices charged by this firm anyway.

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--- Sascha Franck <S.Franck@...> wrote:

>
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%7E33%7E2611825,00.html
> 
> What a bunch of greedy assholes.
> I can only hope someone sues them to death, so they
> can just stick up their
> overpriced cables up where they belong...
> 
> - Sascha
> 
>   I agree, problem is the alternative, a better but 
more expensive cable in Mogami.
=Steve



	
		
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itsplayed wrote:
 >   I agree, problem is the alternative, a better but
> more expensive cable in Mogami.


Just solder them by yourself.
Over her, Klotz and Zeck are doing very good cable qualities and there's
never been anything wrong with Neutrik plugs either.

Monster Cables aren't worth their money.
And now they are even less. I hope this company goes to hell - and yes, I'm
serious.

Btw, anybody as offended as me should drop them a line:
http://www.monstercable.com/company_info/contact.asp

I told Mr.Graham that I would print out the Denver Post article, add a
request to boycott monster cables and stick copies of that into all the
classrooms I'm teaching in at the local music university. I'm actually done
with printing.allready...
I added that from now on out studios would be 100% monster cable free zones
(they allready are, but they will remain like that as well).

Seriously, this just can't go unanswered. I sincerely ask all of you to a)
write Mr. Graham a reasonable but honest mail and b) don't buy anything of
that company anymore until they changed their strategies.

- Sascha

--- Sascha Franck <S.Franck@...> wrote:

> itsplayed wrote:
>  >   I agree, problem is the alternative, a better
> but more expensive cable in Mogami.
>  
> Just solder them by yourself.
> Over her, Klotz and Zeck are doing very good cable
> qualities and there's
> never been anything wrong with Neutrik plugs either.
> 
> Monster Cables aren't worth their money.
> And now they are even less. I hope this company goes
> to hell - and yes, I'm
> serious.
>  

   Used to solder my own cables, can you say PITA.
Anyway I won't be buying Monster Cables until they
change their ways, which isn't very likely.           
Unfortunately, over here the only two store bought
cables that are available localy and worth
consideration are Monster and Mogami all the rest are
low line garbage...unusable unless you like the noise
it adds to your recordings. Off to send that boycott
letter now.

-Steve


		
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Sascha,

I haven\ufffdt used and will not use Monster cables.
Yes, Klotz/Zeck/Neutrik is what I\ufffdve been using for a long time, too.

The brand name thing sounds like things Graevenreuth did/does here in 
Germany (you probably know that), it\ufffds stupid fucked up 
interpretation/misuse of the free market system... :-(

Peter
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Sascha Franck wrote:

> itsplayed wrote:
>>   I agree, problem is the alternative, a better but
>> more expensive cable in Mogami.
>
> Just solder them by yourself.
> Over her, Klotz and Zeck are doing very good cable qualities and
> there's never been anything wrong with Neutrik plugs either.
>
> Monster Cables aren't worth their money.
> And now they are even less. I hope this company goes to hell - and
> yes, I'm serious.
>
> Btw, anybody as offended as me should drop them a line:
> http://www.monstercable.com/company_info/contact.asp
>
> I told Mr.Graham that I would print out the Denver Post article, add a
> request to boycott monster cables and stick copies of that into all
> the classrooms I'm teaching in at the local music university. I'm
> actually done with printing.allready...
> I added that from now on out studios would be 100% monster cable free
> zones (they allready are, but they will remain like that as well).
>
> Seriously, this just can't go unanswered. I sincerely ask all of you
> to a) write Mr. Graham a reasonable but honest mail and b) don't buy
> anything of that company anymore until they changed their strategies.
>
> - Sascha

Seems as if Monster Cables are into these policies for quite some time
allready.
Read this: http://www.madmartian.com/legal/

Make sure to read the dude's response to their apology - there's some quite
funny stuff in it, such as:

> Number of children who imagined there was a monster under the bed:
probably millions
> Number of children who imagined there was an audio interconnect cable
under the bed: probably none.

That somewhat made my day.

- Sascha

--- Sascha Franck <S.Franck@...> wrote:

> Seems as if Monster Cables are into these policies
> for quite some time
> allready.
> Read this: http://www.madmartian.com/legal/
>> That somewhat made my day.
> - Sascha
> 
>    I also dug up this disturbing Document, talk
about double-standard two-faced
bastards:http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/13109
-Steve



		
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>   I agree, problem is the alternative, a better but
> more expensive cable in Mogami.

In a way, yes, but look at it the other way: there are several companies
(such as Acoustic Research, which is what I use) that make equal- or
similar- quality cabling for half the price of Monster cables. Add to this
Monster's dubious business practices (which I won't get into here, as it
would open a whole new debate about the current state of
over-over-over-over litigation in the world today, as expemplified in the
Denver Post article) and I would quite simply never purchase any of their
products under any circumstances.

Monster cables certainly don't suck (in the way that Radio Shack does!)
but they're quite simply not worth the price for that quality level. If
you step up to Mogami, etc. then you're no longer comparing apples to
oranges, because Monster and Mogami are not in the same league at all.

My .02,
Brian

--- Brian Pylant <bappo@...> wrote:

> >   I agree, problem is the alternative, a better
> but
> > more expensive cable in Mogami.
>> 
> Monster cables certainly don't suck (in the way that
> Radio Shack does!)
> but they're quite simply not worth the price for
> that quality level. If
> you step up to Mogami, etc. then you're no longer
> comparing apples to
> oranges, because Monster and Mogami are not in the
> same league at all.
> 
> My .02,
> Brian
> 
    You'll get no argument from me and I won't be
purchasing Monster cables now, I know there are better
cables out there for the money. I was just saying that
Monster's or Mogami's are the only choice at the local
music center and I won't buy on-line. So I guess from
now on it'll be Mogami's.
-Steve



		
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Big Corporations have lawyers that just seek that kind of crap out.
Planet Hollywood made a (then) small  (25 seat) restaraunt called 
Planet Thailand change its name  to Plan-eat Thailand. retarded

> I was just saying that
> Monster's or Mogami's are the only choice at the local
> music center

I buy my Acoustic Research cables at Best Buy of all places...




> and I won't buy on-line.

Why not? Despite all you read about identity theft, etc. it's safer than
ever to buy online (from *reputable* dealers, of course).

Sascha Franck wrote:
> http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%7E33%7E2611825,00.html
> 
> What a bunch of greedy assholes.
> I can only hope someone sues them to death, so they can just stick up their
> overpriced cables up where they belong...

Wait till Elmo and Cookie Monster get onto this. I reckon Sesame 
Workshop could sue Monster Cables


Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
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> > http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%7E33%7E2611825,00.html
> >
> > What a bunch of greedy assholes.
> > I can only hope someone sues them to death, so they can just stick up their
> > overpriced cables up where they belong...
>
> Wait till Elmo and Cookie Monster get onto this. I reckon Sesame
> Workshop could sue Monster Cables
>
>
Monster dot com, Comcast Cable, Cable and Wireless, Loch Ness Monster.

They all could sue Monster Cable.
I bet Cookie Monster has already had his people call their people.

It's like that spoof press release where Metallica had supposedly 
copyrighted the chord progression from E to F and were in the process of 
suing everyone who used E or F chords for royalties.

Corporate America is a bunch of scumbags for the most part.

flex

--- Brian Pylant <bappo@...> wrote:

> > I was just saying that
> > Monster's or Mogami's are the only choice at the
> local
> > music center
> 
> I buy my Acoustic Research cables at Best Buy of all
> places..
> > and I won't buy on-line.
> 
> Why not? Despite all you read about identity theft,
> etc. it's safer than
> ever to buy online (from *reputable* dealers, of
> course).
> 
    It's not that, I just hate to do returns,if needed
online...it's a drag, not to mention time consuming! I
have bought things on-line, like all the components to
put together the computers I have,didn't really have a
choice there...purchased everything from one company,
with only one return so-far, knock on wood.That one
return was still was a drag. Plus I have bought cables
that were no good right out of the gate.
-Steve



		
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--- Brian Pylant <bappo@...> wrote:

> > I was just saying that
> > Monster's or Mogami's are the only choice at the
> local
> > music center
> 
> I buy my Acoustic Research cables at Best Buy of all
> places...
> 
>   Best Buy sell's balanced 1/4" cables?
-Steve

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>     It's not that, I just hate to do returns,if needed
> online...it's a drag, not to mention time consuming!

True, true... I've had mixed success with returns from online shopping. 
One of the reasons I choose Sweetwater over Musicians Friend and 
Zzounds for music stuff is their support and support policies. The big 
three for computer stuff (MacZones, MacMall and ClubMac). And Amazon to 
me sets the benchmark for what online shopping should be...

But beyond those there are of course tons of lesser-capable online 
vendors whose procedures and policies are sometimes very questionable, 
or if nothing else just plain difficult to deal with!



Brian
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Richard Brackin wrote:
> 
>>>http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%7E33%7E2611825,00.html
>>>
>>>What a bunch of greedy assholes.
>>>I can only hope someone sues them to death, so they can just stick up their
>>>overpriced cables up where they belong...
>>
>>Wait till Elmo and Cookie Monster get onto this. I reckon Sesame
>>Workshop could sue Monster Cables
>>
>>
> 
> Monster dot com, Comcast Cable, Cable and Wireless, Loch Ness Monster.
> 
The Loch Ness Monster has been proven to be fake, when the photographhs 
were analyzed by experts, an XLR plug was clearly visible.

-- 
Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

In a message dated 1/6/05 2:58:01 PM, bappo@... writes:


> One of the reasons I choose Sweetwater over Musicians Friend and
> Zzounds for music stuff is their support and support policies.
> 

I had good experiences with ZZounds. I bought a Digi M box and it didn't work 
with logic, and they said fine, and gave me a 100% refund - quickly and with 
no hassle. Sweetwater doesn't seem to have the best prices, but they allow for 
more chit chat and education.


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>   Best Buy sell's balanced 1/4" cables?

No, actually those I have to get elsewhere. Not that I need too many 
for my particular setup...
8^)




Brian
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> I had good experiences with ZZounds. I bought a Digi M box and it 
> didn't work
> with logic, and they said fine, and gave me a 100% refund - quickly 
> and with
> no hassle. Sweetwater doesn't seem to have the best prices, but they 
> allow for
> more chit chat and education.

As with many things I feel you get what you pay for. I rarely buy from 
the retailer (online or otherwise) with the absolute lowest price, 
because for in order to give me that lowest price something is being 
sacrificed somewhere else. Service to me, service to their own 
employees, etc. Sweetwater provides better service than anyone I've 
ever dealt with, and that is worth spending a bit more for IMO.

That having been said I have purchased from Zzounds in the past and 
have no complaints, but they're not in the same league with Sweetwater 
(or Mercenary, for that matter) in terms of service and tech support.



Brian
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Logic Audio Pro 7.0.0
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