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Hard drives in a raid configuration

2006-09-17 by garygenn

I have a G5 dual 2.0ghz 4 GBram and currently two hds 1 250Gb
maxtor that everything is on and another that all my loops
ands anyhting that has to do with audio except the application
itself mainly libraries . I saw a product that lets you mount up
to three more hd in your mac and it was talking about setting up
as a raid conf. My question is would a raid set up help
perfromance   and what raid conf is best. I saw something about
raid 1 being pretty useful. I would like to have one hard drive
mirror my system hd, then the other two set up to work together. I
dont know much about it as you can gather so any help is
appreciated

Re: [L-OT] Hard drives in a raid configuration

2006-09-17 by Otto Gygax

On Sep 17, 2006, at 9:21 AM, garygenn wrote:

> I have a G5 dual 2.0ghz 4 GBram and currently two hds 1 250Gb
> maxtor that everything is on and another that all my loops
> ands anyhting that has to do with audio except the application
> itself mainly libraries . I saw a product that lets you mount up
> to three more hd in your mac and it was talking about setting up
> as a raid conf. My question is would a raid set up help
> perfromance   and what raid conf is best. I saw something about
> raid 1 being pretty useful. I would like to have one hard drive
> mirror my system hd, then the other two set up to work together. I
> dont know much about it as you can gather so any help is
> appreciated

Check this url: 
http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/perf/raid/levels/single.html
it covers RAID in great detail. For you need, RAID 0 will give you  
the performance with no fault tolerance.
RAID 1 will give you the mirroring that you're looking for, with  
lower performance. RAID 7 seems to provide the best 'read/write'  
performance with fault tolerance but it's not an open standard, which  
means that you'd have to buy a proprietary controller.

Go down the list of RAID 'levels' and search for the one that gives  
you the best performance in sequential read/writes, since that's the  
operation you'll do the most in recording.

	-otto
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
-------------------
Otto Gygax - Audio, Computer, Networking Engineering / Percussion
otto@... / Philomath, Oregon

Re: [L-OT] Hard drives in a raid configuration

2006-09-17 by Peter Ostry

On 17.09.2006, at 18:21, garygenn wrote:
> I saw a product that lets you mount up
> to three more hd in your mac and it was talking about setting up
> as a raid conf. My question is would a raid set up help
> perfromance   and what raid conf is best. I saw something about
> raid 1 being pretty useful. I would like to have one hard drive
> mirror my system hd, then the other two set up to work together. I
> dont know much about it

Crash course:

No RAID
One or more drives, all of them independent. That is what you have  
now. Easy to manage, fast, no security. If one single drive gets  
involved for several operations like supporting the operating system  
and recording audio it becomes slower. If the drive fails the data  
might be lost.

RAID 0
Data gets written to and read from all drives simultaneously. It is  
the fastest type of RAID and has no redundancy which means no  
security. If one drive fails all data of the whole RAID is lost. Good  
for streaming data like video but in my opinion not necessary for  
recording or playing back audio.

RAID 1
That is mirroring. Two drives are involved which bear almost the same  
data. Data gets written to and read from both drives but not  
necessarily simultaneously. Reading can be faster than with one drive  
if the system is clever enough to use the data from that disk which  
can deliver them faster. Writing might be slower than with one single  
disk. You get a lot of security because if one drive fails you should  
be able to work with the other one alone until you replaced the  
broken drive. I think the reduced writing speed does not really  
affect recording capability. Mirroring is certainly an option for  
people who do not always have a solid backup system or want a short  
interruption time in case of a hardware failure.

RAID 3
It stripes the data in the same way that RAID 0 does but additionally  
writes parity data to a dedicated parity drive. In case one disk  
failes the controller can restore the data based on the parity  
information to a replacement drive. RAID 3 is designed to employ  
every disk on every input/output operation. Unlike RAID 0, RAID 3 is  
a redundant system which can withstand the failure of one drive and  
has little diminution in performance if one disk fails.

RAID 5
That one takes a different approach towards striping and parity  
storage to better handle applications that barrage the system with  
many, small input/output operations. Unless RAID 0 and 3 it is  
designed o engage all drives  in the array at the same time on  
different reads and writes. In/Out per second is higher than I/O of  
RAID 0 and 3. Performance is remarkable slower if one disk fails.

Now, what does all that mean to you? Relax and see it practical ...

No RAID at all but a good backup system is good. You can have one  
system disk which bears also your applications, One disk for sample  
libraries and ond disk for audio (and recording of course). Flexible  
and cheap and a modern computer can handle that.

If you want more security, the question is - what for? For the system  
or for your audio data? They should never be on the same disk so you  
have to mirror one or both of them.

If you want speed, speed, speed, you might go for RAID 0. But I don't  
see an advantage for audio. Although the description of RAID 3 sounds  
promising I have never seen a RAID 3 outperforming a RAID 0. That  
might have been been the kind of data but however, RAID 3 is rarely  
used and people who depend on data aren't that stupid.

If you want a fast and reliable redundant system for your audio data  
and if mirroring is not enough for you you should go for RAID 5 which  
is a widely used standard. You need at least three disks for that.  
And because of the parity you lose 25% of the capacity or one drive,  
whichever occures first. In other words: with a minimal 3-disk system  
you get only the capacity of 2 disks. The relation becomes better  
with each drive you add.

Important:
There are software RAID's and hardware controllers. If you want to be  
really secure do not rely on a software RAID although some of them  
are quite good (the SUN solution for example). I do not know Apples  
built-in software RAID. However, a software RAID draws some  
performance from your computer because it cannot work independently.  
But it is cheap.

I do not know much about RAID 7 which Otto mentioned in his mail but  
be aware that most "RAID people", in this case the people who want to  
sell you a system, speak about SCSI. Our Macs don't have that built  
since a while. SCSI drives are fast, small and expensive.

There are other RAID levels for bigger systems (mirrored RAID 0 for  
example) but I think they are not in out focus here.


Hope that helps,
Peter Ostry

Re: Hard drives in a raid configuration

2006-09-18 by garygenn

--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, Otto Gygax <otto@...> wrote:
>
>
> Check this url:
> http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/perf/raid/levels/single.html
> it covers RAID in great detail. For you need, RAID 0 will give you
> the performance with no fault tolerance.
> RAID 1 will give you the mirroring that you're looking for, with
> lower performance. RAID 7 seems to provide the best 'read/write'
> performance with fault tolerance but it's not an open standard, which
> means that you'd have to buy a proprietary controller.
>
> Go down the list of RAID 'levels' and search for the one that gives
> you the best performance in sequential read/writes, since that's the
> operation you'll do the most in recording.
>
> 	-otto
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------
> Otto Gygax - Audio, Computer, Networking Engineering / Percussion
> otto@... / Philomath, Oregon
>

Yeah thanks otto I wil check out the link and I appreciate your response

Re: [L-OT] Hard drives in a raid configuration

2006-09-18 by garygenn

--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, Peter Ostry <po@...> wrote:
>

> Crash course:
>
> No RAID
> One or more drives, all of them independent. That is what you have
> now. Easy to manage, fast, no security. If one single drive gets
> involved for several operations like supporting the operating system
> and recording audio it becomes slower. If the drive fails the data
> might be lost.
>
> RAID 0
> Data gets written to and read from all drives simultaneously. It is
> the fastest type of RAID and has no redundancy which means no
> security. If one drive fails all data of the whole RAID is lost. Good
> for streaming data like video but in my opinion not necessary for
> recording or playing back audio.
>
> RAID 1
> That is mirroring. Two drives are involved which bear almost the same
> data. Data gets written to and read from both drives but not
> necessarily simultaneously. Reading can be faster than with one drive
> if the system is clever enough to use the data from that disk which
> can deliver them faster. Writing might be slower than with one single
> disk. You get a lot of security because if one drive fails you should
> be able to work with the other one alone until you replaced the
> broken drive. I think the reduced writing speed does not really
> affect recording capability. Mirroring is certainly an option for
> people who do not always have a solid backup system or want a short
> interruption time in case of a hardware failure.
>
> RAID 3
> It stripes the data in the same way that RAID 0 does but additionally
> writes parity data to a dedicated parity drive. In case one disk
> failes the controller can restore the data based on the parity
> information to a replacement drive. RAID 3 is designed to employ
> every disk on every input/output operation. Unlike RAID 0, RAID 3 is
> a redundant system which can withstand the failure of one drive and
> has little diminution in performance if one disk fails.
>
> RAID 5
> That one takes a different approach towards striping and parity
> storage to better handle applications that barrage the system with
> many, small input/output operations. Unless RAID 0 and 3 it is
> designed o engage all drives  in the array at the same time on
> different reads and writes. In/Out per second is higher than I/O of
> RAID 0 and 3. Performance is remarkable slower if one disk fails.
>
> Now, what does all that mean to you? Relax and see it practical ...
>
> No RAID at all but a good backup system is good. You can have one
> system disk which bears also your applications, One disk for sample
> libraries and ond disk for audio (and recording of course). Flexible
> and cheap and a modern computer can handle that.
>
> If you want more security, the question is - what for? For the system
> or for your audio data? They should never be on the same disk so you
> have to mirror one or both of them.
>
> If you want speed, speed, speed, you might go for RAID 0. But I don't
> see an advantage for audio. Although the description of RAID 3 sounds
> promising I have never seen a RAID 3 outperforming a RAID 0. That
> might have been been the kind of data but however, RAID 3 is rarely
> used and people who depend on data aren't that stupid.
>
> If you want a fast and reliable redundant system for your audio data
> and if mirroring is not enough for you you should go for RAID 5 which
> is a widely used standard. You need at least three disks for that.
> And because of the parity you lose 25% of the capacity or one drive,
> whichever occures first. In other words: with a minimal 3-disk system
> you get only the capacity of 2 disks. The relation becomes better
> with each drive you add.
>
> Important:
> There are software RAID's and hardware controllers. If you want to be
> really secure do not rely on a software RAID although some of them
> are quite good (the SUN solution for example). I do not know Apples
> built-in software RAID. However, a software RAID draws some
> performance from your computer because it cannot work independently.
> But it is cheap.
>
> I do not know much about RAID 7 which Otto mentioned in his mail but
> be aware that most "RAID people", in this case the people who want to
> sell you a system, speak about SCSI. Our Macs don't have that built
> since a while. SCSI drives are fast, small and expensive.
>
> There are other RAID levels for bigger systems (mirrored RAID 0 for
> example) but I think they are not in out focus here.
>
>
> Hope that helps,
> Peter Ostry


Peter, thanks for all that information it defintitely gives me some ideas. The main reason I
started thinking about this is right now I have 2 MAxtor 250 Gb HD's one cam with the
computer , the other I installed, the one I installed has my iTunes Lib, My 70+ Gbs Of
loops , and scratch disksa for Bias Pro Xt,  and I usually record to it  in live and Logic pro.
Even though I have evberything Backed up on a crap load of DVDs I dont really have a solid
Back up system. A couple weeks ago I started getting A message in disk utility
program ,"Volume Header Needs minor reapir", Well easy enough to fix with reapiar disk
but it made me start wondering ,Is my disk going bad ? So I started think it would be nice
all the way around to have a set up that mirrored the system disk then have a raid set up
fpr my music. One thing that is streange is I changed the nam e of my hd I kept all my
audio stuff on and the problem stopped . the name before was , Audio_HD , Now it is
Audio HD I took out that underscore thinking my be the disk doesnt like have that in it.
Seems silly but that was  the only thing i did different after installing the HD. ANyWay....
Maybe I should use the maxtor in it now to do mirroring for a regular back up , then set
up a raid conf with that Jive 5 and a pci controller that has at least three connections. that
way I could have to seperate raid configurations as far as the one for the two hds for the
system and the other three for recording and library storage.

Re: [L-OT] Hard drives in a raid configuration

2006-09-18 by David Gordon

On Sep 18, 2006, at 9:02 AM, garygenn wrote:


> Peter, thanks for all that information it defintitely gives me some  
> ideas. The main reason I
> started thinking about this is right now I have 2 MAxtor 250 Gb  
> HD's one cam with the
> computer , the other I installed, the one I installed has my iTunes  
> Lib, My 70+ Gbs Of
> loops , and scratch disksa for Bias Pro Xt,  and I usually record  
> to it  in live and Logic pro.
> Even though I have evberything Backed up on a crap load of DVDs I  
> dont really have a solid
> Back up system. A couple weeks ago I started getting A message in  
> disk utility
> program ,"Volume Header Needs minor reapir", Well easy enough to  
> fix with reapiar disk
> but it made me start wondering ,Is my disk going bad ? So I started  
> think it would be nice
> all the way around to have a set up that mirrored the system disk  
> then have a raid set up
> fpr my music. One thing that is streange is I changed the nam e of  
> my hd I kept all my
> audio stuff on and the problem stopped . the name before was ,  
> Audio_HD , Now it is
> Audio HD I took out that underscore thinking my be the disk doesnt  
> like have that in it.
> Seems silly but that was  the only thing i did different after  
> installing the HD. ANyWay....
> Maybe I should use the maxtor in it now to do mirroring for a  
> regular back up , then set
> up a raid conf with that Jive 5 and a pci controller that has at  
> least three connections. that
> way I could have to seperate raid configurations as far as the one  
> for the two hds for the
> system and the other three for recording and library storage.


Why not just use a backup program like Retrospect and duplicate your  
disk to a second drive every day when you're done working?

Also, incremental backups can be useful to keep older versions of  
your disk in case you erase a file by mistake and then duplicate the  
disk with the erased file.  For those, it's easiest to use a large  
external drive - you can do it with DVDs but that's slow.

- Dave

Re: [L-OT] Hard drives in a raid configuration

2006-09-18 by Peter Ostry

On 18.09.2006, at 18:02, garygenn wrote:

> Peter, thanks for all that information it defintitely gives me some  
> ideas.

You're welcome.


> ...A couple weeks ago I started getting A message in disk utility
> program ,"Volume Header Needs minor reapir", Well easy enough to  
> fix with reapiar disk
> but it made me start wondering ,Is my disk going bad ? So I started  
> think it would be nice
> all the way around to have a set up that mirrored the system disk  
> then have a raid set up
> fpr my music. One thing that is streange is I changed the nam e of  
> my hd I kept all my
> audio stuff on and the problem stopped . the name before was ,  
> Audio_HD , Now it is
> Audio HD I took out that underscore thinking my be the disk doesnt  
> like have that in it.
> Seems silly but that was  the only thing i did different after  
> installing the HD. ANyWay....

The underscore was certainly a good idea. It is a usual sign and many  
people who work in the terminal (shell) prefer names with  
underscores. Spaces are generally not beloved by those people because  
spacces separate file names and commands.

I rather think that the renaming changed the header information and  
the error was simply overwritten. Looks like you found a nice way to  
repair such a minor problem ;-)


> Maybe I should use the maxtor in it now to do mirroring for a  
> regular back up , then set
> up a raid conf with that Jive 5 and a pci controller that has at  
> least three connections. that
> way I could have to seperate raid configurations as far as the one  
> for the two hds for the
> system and the other three for recording and library storage.

That PCI controller supports two different RAIDs simultaneously?  
Amazing.

Anyway, to keep you from getting bored :-) here are some thoughts  
about that setup:

Three drives are the minimum for a RAID 5. You cannot have a "hot  
spare" in such a set, which would automatically jump in if one drive  
fails. You could set it up with 4 or five disks and one or two hot  
spares. BUT - the RAID might get remarkable slower if one drive  
fails. I do not know if one can record in such a situation.  
Furthermore, if you are really forced to recover the data (and you  
are in my opinion) you are most likely unable to record on that RAID  
for an hour or more while it rebuilds the set. And these controllers  
have no mercy and are definitely unpatient: one wrong answer from a  
drive and the switch it off immidiately. That just as explanation  
that you are still not on the safe side for an outdoor job.

Please be aware that we don't talk about a setup for everyone but  
about as much security as possible for a (I think) given budget.  
Therefore we have to apply a higher level of criticism and to be more  
scared than necessary.

It depends how you use that setup. If time is critical, outdoors or  
inhouse, it could be better to setup two mirrors because they don't  
lose speed after a drive failure (just my 2 cents).

If you do many location recordings without delivering the playback a  
RAID 5 could still be perfect if you keep enough space free on the  
system mirror or carry a spare drive with you. On a bad day that can  
save your ass because although you have no security you CAN record  
that way. And no security at one occasion is not as bad as it sounds.  
Thousands of people are used to record that way :-)

___
Peter Ostry

Re: Hard drives in a raid configuration

2006-09-19 by garygenn

> The underscore was certainly a good idea. It is a usual sign and many
> people who work in the terminal (shell) prefer names with
> underscores. Spaces are generally not beloved by those people because
> spacces separate file names and commands.
>
> I rather think that the renaming changed the header information and
> the error was simply overwritten. Looks like you found a nice way to
> repair such a minor problem ;-)
>
>
> > Maybe I should use the maxtor in it now to do mirroring for a
> > regular back up , then set
> > up a raid conf with that Jive 5 and a pci controller that has at
> > least three connections. that
> > way I could have to seperate raid configurations as far as the one
> > for the two hds for the
> > system and the other three for recording and library storage.
>
> That PCI controller supports two different RAIDs simultaneously?
> Amazing.
>

I am sorry Peter, That what I said abou tthe two raid configurations is an  assumption on
my part I h=guess due to lack of knowledge. I assumed that the two Hds in my comuter
and the three I would have hooked up to the Jive 5 with a pci controller woukld in fact be
two sepertae .........I dont  know how to say   ummmm two seperate entites in it self Like
the two in the computer already are being controlled by its own (their own) controller and
the pci slot would be another one. Thanks for bringing that to my attention though.  as far
as in field or in house.. I just bought  a MacBookPro 2.16  Laptop which I am thinking abou
tpairing it up to the new apogee ensamble or getting the Mini adc twp channel pre amp
convertor and getting  Oh I dont know a small analog mixer with at least 4 bus with at
least 12 channels so I could have 8 dedicated for a drum  then at least one gtr bass vox
and Gtr 2 we could do more tracks in house if needed  or use the (a) mixer as a stereo  2
channel out to the apogee convertor and get a full live mix. I am digging the ensamble
cause it has all the features of the big boys but alot cheaper and that would be a perfect
compannion in house or in feild whether or not I had a mixer. So with that said my main
computer is the one we are talking about and that will alway sbe in house I have it hooked
up to a tascam 1884 fw fro my DAW/audio interface.  SO i guess I would have to get some
sort of ext Hd drive or raid system the ext raid are pretty pricey I think . I thought I saw on
maxtors site a big desktop raid setup  from either a  fw800/400.
Sorry I dont mean to jump around But I am glad to have you answering  and well just
giving me your 2 cents because I always see you give good info and you know your Sh*t as
an engineer and as aLogic user.
So with that said I am going to check into the two raid configuration thing and if I have to
go with one ,look over your notes again on the raids.. Oh BTW I do have at my disposal a
Glyph GT050 Professional 150 GB fw hd that I emptied a while ago and it is just sitting
there off right now. I was using it for a de ja vu back up for a while then I put video on it
and I cleared it out so I could use it with my MBP on the raod whether on stage or
recording. But since I guess it isnt good to use it for both I havent decided what to do with
it. !50 GBs these days doesnt seem big enough to partiton.
if you have anymore opinions or info I would love to hear them . thanks again for your
responses

Re: [L-OT] Re: Hard drives in a raid configuration

2006-09-19 by Peter Ostry

>> Peter Ostry:
>> That PCI controller supports two different RAIDs simultaneously?
>> Amazing.
>
> On 19.09.2006, at 20:13, garygenn wrote:
> I am sorry Peter, That what I said abou tthe two raid  
> configurations is an  assumption on
> my part I h=guess due to lack of knowledge.

No need to be sorry ;-) because that is possible. There are hardware  
controllers which support several array sets simultaneously and more  
than one host machine. I just don't know which kind of controllers  
exist as PCI cards. It could have two plugs and be configured for two  
arrays for example.


> ...
> So with that said I am going to check into the two raid  
> configuration thing and if I have to
> go with one ,look over your notes again on the raids.. Oh BTW I do  
> have at my disposal a
> Glyph GT050 Professional 150 GB fw hd that I emptied a while ago  
> and it is just sitting
> there off right now.

One external drive for field recordings and one array for the studio  
is a good solution. There are just two "security leaks" for the  
portable drive: it can fail and it can get damaged during the  
transport. I would simply get two of that cheap external Firewire  
drives with their own housing and power supply. Both formatted. If  
one fails you just take the other one as it is, that will steal you  
just a couple of minutes. And if you have the space on your internal  
drive you may want to backup the recorded files to your laptop.

___
Peter Ostry

Re: Hard drives in a raid configuration

2006-09-20 by garygenn

--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, Peter Ostry <po@...> wrote:

>
> One external drive for field recordings and one array for the studio
> is a good solution. There are just two "security leaks" for the
> portable drive: it can fail and it can get damaged during the
> transport. I would simply get two of that cheap external Firewire
> drives with their own housing and power supply. Both formatted. If
> one fails you just take the other one as it is, that will steal you
> just a couple of minutes. And if you have the space on your internal
> drive you may want to backup the recorded files to your laptop.

Good Idea about the two drives for the feild. they are cheap enough to get two and I really
just need to get it  from "out there " to "in here"

Re: Hard drives in a raid configuration( Look what I found)

2006-09-22 by garygenn

--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, Peter Ostry <po@...> wrote:

> Anyway, to keep you from getting bored :-) here are some thoughts
> about that setup:
>
> Three drives are the minimum for a RAID 5. You cannot have a "hot
> spare" in such a set, which would automatically jump in if one drive
> fails. You could set it up with 4 or five disks and one or two hot
> spares. BUT - the RAID might get remarkable slower if one drive
> fails. I do not know if one can record in such a situation.
> Furthermore, if you are really forced to recover the data (and you
> are in my opinion) you are most likely unable to record on that RAID
> for an hour or more while it rebuilds the set. And these controllers
> have no mercy and are definitely unpatient: one wrong answer from a
> drive and the switch it off immidiately. That just as explanation
> that you are still not on the safe side for an outdoor job.
>
> Please be aware that we don't talk about a setup for everyone but
> about as much security as possible for a (I think) given budget.
> Therefore we have to apply a higher level of criticism and to be more
> scared than necessary.
>
> It depends how you use that setup. If time is critical, outdoors or
> inhouse, it could be better to setup two mirrors because they don't
> lose speed after a drive failure (just my 2 cents).
>
> If you do many location recordings without delivering the playback a
> RAID 5 could still be perfect if you keep enough space free on the
> system mirror or carry a spare drive with you. On a bad day that can
> save your ass because although you have no security you CAN record
> that way. And no security at one occasion is not as bad as it sounds.
> Thousands of people are used to record that way :-)
>
> ___
> Peter Ostry
>

Hey Peter I was looking at some help files on my Mac and ran across this after reading
your raid post again . thought you might be interested:
After you create a RAID set, the RAID software manages storing files on the disks in the set
for you.

If you have sufficient disks, you can create more than one RAID set. For example, you can
set up one set as a mirrored RAID set to provide data redundancy, and another set as a
striped RAID set to provide faster performance.

I guess we found out two things about my mac  1) you can have two different raid set-ups
and 2) I guess it is a software controller on here

Re: [L-OT] Re: Hard drives in a raid configuration( Look what I found)

2006-09-22 by Peter Ostry

On 22.09.2006, at 05:08, garygenn wrote:

> Hey Peter I was looking at some help files on my Mac and ran across  
> this after reading
> your raid post again . thought you might be interested:
> After you create a RAID set, the RAID software manages storing  
> files on the disks in the set
> for you.
>
> If you have sufficient disks, you can create more than one RAID  
> set. For example, you can
> set up one set as a mirrored RAID set to provide data redundancy,  
> and another set as a
> striped RAID set to provide faster performance.

Ah, good to know. I had never a software RAID on the Mac. Good  
feature, certainly. Although I don't think that people who need two  
arrays would do it with a software RAID. And I wonder how the drives  
are connected ...

However, their suggestion is close to an ideal stationary setup for  
speed and security which would be:

1. A RAID 1 (two mirrored disks) for operating system and applications.

2. A RAID 0 (two or more, striped) for the data.

3. A second RAID 0 which is a mirror of the other one (remember, RAID  
0 has no redundancy at all).

That setup is known as RAID 10 or RAID 0/1 because type 0 and 1 are  
involved.  It requires at least 6 disks. Data gets written to all  
almost simultaneously. Expect some noise.

I think we can state that everybody who wants speed and security for  
video, audio or fast databases wants such a system but few have it.


> I guess we found out two things about my mac  1) you can have two  
> different raid set-ups
> and 2) I guess it is a software controller on here

Yep. You obviously already know what to look for.

If you are not a software technician and do not have a technician  
available all the time you may be better off with hardware. If a  
drive fails in a hardware array then a light at the drive bay goes  
on, the drive gets disabled, you change the disk and compose a short  
song or do some smalltalk while the RAID recovers. Not that easy in  
software. I don't know the Mac solution but I remember well the few  
occasions where a disk in a Unix software array failed (Internet  
server stuff), the sweat and swearing of the admin and the great  
relief after he got it fixed.

Of course a hardware controller can fail too. In this case you are  
lucky if a replacement controller sees the array as it were its own.  
Few people discuss that with the manufacturer before their purchase.  
Some people even don't trust the manufacturer and buy two systems.  
But that starts to go into dimensions beyound our usual budget.

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I guess we are almost through, let me add some final notes:

There should always be at least one spare disk available. Some  
systems need identical drives, in that case it is wise to get more  
spares in advance. Running such a system is not cheap ;-)

If you setup a RAID 5 or 1, take some time for a test: initialize the  
array, write some data to it. Then turn everything off and disconnect  
one disk. Start the array and computer again and see what happens.  
You ought to know the situation and the recovery process for the time  
when it happens in reality. A manufacturer of a disk maintainance and  
recovery program had the following statement on the first manual  
page: "It is not the question if a drive fails. The question is when."

Second, be aware that a RAID is no substitution for a backup. If the  
controller fails you can be out of business. Some big environments  
consist of identical hardware RAIDs on different locations without  
other backup, certainly not what we are talking about. You need a  
reliable backup software with easy and fast recovery of single files,  
folders and probably whole disks. Best for that is most likely a  
sequential backup via Ethernet with Retrospect (server version),  
today rather to harddisks than to tape. You can run Retrospect on an  
older computer, I would say the speed is not very important in this  
case. Of course the machine should not be too slow because you might  
want to backup other machines too. Retrospect Server is rather  
expensive, a Windows version is available.

The latter closes the circle. Since backup is required I would rather  
go for a good backup solution first which might need more than one  
disk but not necessarily a RAID although (software) RAID 5 would be  
fine. A RAID for production might be necessary for video and fine for  
audio but has definitive a lower priority.

Running a RAID is more fun than running a backup system but well, it  
is, hm ... your choice, your data ;-)

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Peter Ostry

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.