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-----Original Message-----
From: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com [mailto:logic-ot@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:56 AM
To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [L-OT] Digest Number 231


There are 2 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. headers and footers
           From: "John Matthews" <Groovey@...>
      2. Otari MX5050 MK3-8 & Sony C500 Large Diaphragm Condenser Mic
           From: proteuslight@...


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Message: 1
   Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 12:09:42 +0100
   From: "John Matthews" <Groovey@...>
Subject: headers and footers


"-Peter,
This is at least the third time I have informed the list of my situation,
but I
will say Again that, unlike most list users, I am on a corporate server, not
a
private ISP account"

Just a suggestion- maybe this guy could set up a hot mail account and post
from there?

To be honest, this barry michael guy has tried to help some people, doesnt
that make up for the header?

On the other hand- boy, do I hate headers or footers that are more than a
line long!!!!!!!!!!  :-) I'd never do that myself of course.   ;-)

Cheers

John

Groovey Band website                          mail to :
chickenjohn@...
http://www.grooveyband.co.uk/
East Kent Morris Minor Club web site        or  ; john@...
http://www.ekmm.co.uk
Shake The Snake web site (other band)   or  ; john@...
http://www.shakethesnake.co.uk






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Message: 2
   Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 21:48:08 -0000
   From: proteuslight@...
Subject: Otari MX5050 MK3-8 & Sony C500 Large Diaphragm Condenser Mic

Hello,, Anyone interested in an Otari MX5050 MK3-8 1/2" 8 track 
recorder in very good shape please send me an email at 
maurice166@h... ,,I saw one just like mine sell on Ebay last 
month for $1,241,,Mine has a custom fit caster wheel around caddie, 
the original CB110 remote control unit the original manual and about 
5 reel of tape,,,
I am asking $900 plus shipping,, I am in Utah in case anyone can pick 
it up,,,You can see a picture of it at these URLs
http://members.home.net/maurice166/Pictures/Otari.jpg
http://members.home.net/maurice166/Pictures/Left%20Bank.jpg

The remote can be seen on this one on top of the right hand rack
http://members.home.net/maurice166/Pictures/Front.jpg

I am also selling a 1960' Sony C500 Large Diaphragm condenser 
Microphone in Pristine condition,,,The Blue book on the mic is $900 
in mint condition which this one is so thst is the asking price plus 
shipping,,
Pictures are here,,
http://nevenehe.homestead.com/files/Sony-1.jpg
http://nevenehe.homestead.com/files/Sony-2.jpg
http://nevenehe.homestead.com/files/Sony-4.jpg
http://nevenehe.homestead.com/files/Sony-5.jpg
http://nevenehe.homestead.com/files/Sony-7.jpg
http://nevenehe.homestead.com/files/Sony-8.jpg

Thanking you in advance,,,




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----- Original Message -----
From: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:56 AM
Subject: [L-OT] Digest Number 393


> There are 7 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. Re:  RE: The Real Cause is religion mixed with politics
>            From: Dennis Gunn <dennisg@...>
>       2. Re:  Re:  RE: The Real Cause is religion mixed with politics
>            From: GAmoore@...
>       3. Re:  Re:  RE: The Real Cause is religion mixed with politics
>            From: Dennis Gunn <dennisg@...>
>       4. Re: RE: The Real Cause is religion mixed with politics
>            From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@...>
>       5. RE: Re:  RE: The Real Cause is religion mixed with politic s
>            From: Tiran Edri <tiran@...>
>       6. RE: The Real Cause is religion mixed with politics
>            From: Tiran Edri <tiran@...>
>       7. Re: RE: The Real Cause is religion mixed with politic s
>            From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@...>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:47:19 -0800
>    From: Dennis Gunn <dennisg@...>
> Subject: Re:  RE: The Real Cause is religion mixed with politics
>
> >
> >i'm sure that my partially-informed opinion is not of very much value,
> >though, when there are *hundreds* of authoritative books and articles
> >available on this intensely complex subject --- if you're truly curious,
> >there is a wealth of materials available for your edification.
> >best,
> >splattercell
>
> I am  interested in this and have read some history books that seem
> to bear out basically what you said.  I am wondering if you could
> tell me any titles that might get me a little further along the road.
> I have looked before but the only material I could find was so dense
> it was just kind of too daunting for someone just like myself trying
> to get just a little toe hold on the subject
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:12:16 EST
>    From: GAmoore@...
> Subject: Re:  Re:  RE: The Real Cause is religion mixed with politics
>
> If you really want to learn the facts, you need to read a variety of
> books, and make sure they come from neutral sources - perhaps European
> sources. Arab sources tend to not have the same journalistic standards we
> have in the west. There are many very intelligent and highly educated
> Jewish righters (and I say Jewish because they are not just Israeli, but
> Jewish people from many countries), and apologists who know how to write
> very convincinly - however, they have a huge personal stake in the
> argument and tend to be biased. I think Rabin's widow wrote a book, and I
> think Shimon Perez may have - they might be reliable Israeli's.
>
> The American media is not completely biased but its not fair either. Just
> today on CNN, a big report of a few Isrealis who were killed by some
> Palestinians - like it was headline news. However, each of the past few
> days greater numbers of Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli army
> which has re-invaded Palestinian controlled areas and these things are
> barely mentioned at all - often in passing and without any great hoopla.
>
> >I am  interested in this and have read some history books that seem
> >to bear out basically what you said.  I am wondering if you could
> >tell me any titles that might get me a little further along the road.
> >I have looked before but the only material I could find was so dense
> >it was just kind of too daunting for someone just like myself trying
> >to get just a little toe hold on the subject
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
>    Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:45:55 -0800
>    From: Dennis Gunn <dennisg@...>
> Subject: Re:  Re:  RE: The Real Cause is religion mixed with politics
>
> >If you really want to learn the facts, you need to read a variety of
> >books, and make sure they come from neutral sources - perhaps European
> >sources.
>
> Thank you.  Normally I believe every single word that I read.  I will
> try to be more careful in the future.  :-)
>
> Meanwhile I was just wondering where to get started on that
> particular subject.  Some of the books that I was able to find in the
> past were things like huge volumes of nothing but unedited
> transcriptions of very long winded political speeches by all the
> parties involved in negotiations etc... with very little in the way
> of reporting on the incidents that that were going on at the times
> the politicians were speaking.  Great stuff for someone doing a
> university thesis but not a good place to start for someone just
> trying to get a little grip.
>
>
>
> >The American media is not completely biased but its not fair either. Just
> >today on CNN, a big report of a few Isrealis who were killed by some
> >Palestinians - like it was headline news. However, each of the past few
> >days greater numbers of Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli army
> >which has re-invaded Palestinian controlled areas and these things are
> >barely mentioned at all - often in passing and without any great hoopla.
>
> I wonder if CNN and BBC are different here in Japan than in the
> States.  Here I mainly see pictures of Israeli tanks rolling around
> Palestinian neighborhoods and the big holes they leave behind.
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
>    Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 06:05:42 +0100
>    From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@...>
> Subject: Re: RE: The Real Cause is religion mixed with politics
>
> > Meanwhile I was just wondering where to get started on that
> > particular subject.  Some of the books that I was able to find in the
> > past were things like huge volumes of nothing but unedited
> > transcriptions of very long winded political speeches by all the
> > parties involved in negotiations etc... with very little in the way
> > of reporting on the incidents that that were going on at the times
> > the politicians were speaking.  Great stuff for someone doing a
> > university thesis but not a good place to start for someone just
> > trying to get a little grip.
>
>
> I agree it's difficult to find good objective literature on this matter.
> I'll ask around at university next week.
>
>
> > I wonder if CNN and BBC are different here in Japan than in the
> > States.
>
> I think so. Over here we also have special editions: CNBC Europe etc.
> You can already see the differences on the website: go to CNN e.g. and
> you'll see you can choose between US and other regions if I'm not
mistaken.
>
> > Here I mainly see pictures of Israeli tanks rolling around
> > Palestinian neighborhoods and the big holes they leave behind.
>
> I haven't watched CNN lately, but our media (and the atmosphere in
> general) is getting tougher and tougher towards Israeli's.
> It was Belgium (and more specifically our minister of foreign affairs)
> who started all of this officially: Arafat was invited to Belgium
> exactly one week before Israeli officials were expected. Also, Arafat
> was invited in the Senate while Israeli officials weren't.
> I'm not sure whether this was the right action, but it definitely was
> the first time that the position of our government was so outspoken.
> (hope this is correct english)
>
>
>
> --
> Joeri Vankeirsbilck
> joeri@...
>
> Belway Productions      -     http://www.belway.com
> List-admin   Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
>    Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:00:58 +0200
>    From: Tiran Edri <tiran@...>
> Subject: RE: Re:  RE: The Real Cause is religion mixed with politic s
>
> There is a MAJOR difference between those Palestinians who have been
killed
> by the Israelies- the vast majority of them are armed Palestinians who
> attached Israelis , and it doesn't matter if the Israelis I'm talking
about
> are soldiers or not.
> even those who are not armed with gun ,usually, are participating in
violent
> "stone throwing" and violent so called "demonstrations".
>
> The Israelis who got killed got murdered by shooting a car driving in a
road
> ,shooting in a mall ,in a street .
> Imaging you're walking in Tokyo and two man armed with semi-automatic guns
> fires at you. that's the correct picture.
>
> what pisses me off most the time is that the Israelis army are doing more
> than any other army in the world ,trying not to kill, trying to keep
> innocent people safe, unhurt - yet people are thinking we're the bad guys.
> again most of those palestinians who get killed in the last year are armed
> people who got killed. and that's ok by me. I'm sorry and surely  not
happy
> when some inocent people get killed ,but in war , and we are in "not
> offical" war , inocent people get hurt. what we ,as israelies are try is
to
> minimise the number of innocent people get hurt while the palestinians are
> using every effort to kill more people , while lying to the international
> press.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Gunn [mailto:dennisg@...]
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:46 PM
> To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Re: [L-OT] RE: The Real Cause is religion mixed with
> politics
>
>
> >If you really want to learn the facts, you need to read a variety of
> >books, and make sure they come from neutral sources - perhaps European
> >sources.
>
> Thank you.  Normally I believe every single word that I read.  I will
> try to be more careful in the future.  :-)
>
> Meanwhile I was just wondering where to get started on that
> particular subject.  Some of the books that I was able to find in the
> past were things like huge volumes of nothing but unedited
> transcriptions of very long winded political speeches by all the
> parties involved in negotiations etc... with very little in the way
> of reporting on the incidents that that were going on at the times
> the politicians were speaking.  Great stuff for someone doing a
> university thesis but not a good place to start for someone just
> trying to get a little grip.
>
>
>
> >The American media is not completely biased but its not fair either. Just
> >today on CNN, a big report of a few Isrealis who were killed by some
> >Palestinians - like it was headline news. However, each of the past few
> >days greater numbers of Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli army
> >which has re-invaded Palestinian controlled areas and these things are
> >barely mentioned at all - often in passing and without any great hoopla.
>
> I wonder if CNN and BBC are different here in Japan than in the
> States.  Here I mainly see pictures of Israeli tanks rolling around
> Palestinian neighborhoods and the big holes they leave behind.
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 6
>    Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:08:06 +0200
>    From: Tiran Edri <tiran@...>
> Subject: RE: The Real Cause is religion mixed with politics
>
> no , but the Palestinians are trying to put pressure on Israel and the
only
> effective way to do this today is convincing the world that all their
> problems are because of the israel-palestinian.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Pendse [mailto:yumyum@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:34 PM
> To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [L-OT] The Real Cause is religion mixed with politics
>
>
> > Is it really America's fault for what is happening between Israel and
> > palestein??
>
> Err.......
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 7
>    Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:45:13 +0100
>    From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@...>
> Subject: Re: RE: The Real Cause is religion mixed with politic s
>
> >
> >
> >what pisses me off most the time is that the Israelis army are doing more
> >than any other army in the world ,trying not to kill, trying to keep
> >innocent people safe, unhurt - yet people are thinking we're the bad
guys.
> >
> I think the reason is because there's too much violence. People are
> hoping for a peaceful solution. The Isreali army is very well equipped
> and the Palestinians are not, I think this adds to the bad image.
>
> I personally don't care much about these army attacks. What I do care
> about though is how Israel has continued to create new villages inside
> Palestinian area and how some Palestinians still live in inhuman
> conditions in refugee camps. Those are two more important matters to
> me... and I think it's exactly those two reasons that cause
> fundamentalism from Palestinian side.
>
> >again most of those palestinians who get killed in the last year are
armed
> >people who got killed.
> >
> The widely spread image of the father protection his child, that was
> shot dead while trying to hide, definitely made the Israel army look bad.
>
> >I'm sorry and surely  not happy
> >when some inocent people get killed ,but in war , and we are in "not
> >offical" war , inocent people get hurt. what we ,as israelies are try is
to
> >minimise the number of innocent people get hurt while the palestinians
are

> >using every effort to kill more people , while lying to the international
> >press.
> >
> The Palestinians are using terrorist attacks to get media attention.
> That's what suppressed people do sometimes. That's what the ANC did in
> South Africa decades ago as well. It's the only way for them to get
> attention to make their point. I definitely don't approve it. I hope
> there will be a peaceful solution for the Israel-Palestine matter one
> day. An official Palestinian state would be a good first step, but I
> must admit that I don't see how Jerusalem can be "split up"... :-(
>
>
> --
> Joeri Vankeirsbilck
> joeri@...
>
> Belway Productions      -     http://www.belway.com
> List-admin   Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM
>
>
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