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Anyone find info on the BGW200 on philips site?  All I can find is
news-release garbage.  Is it still in pre-production?

Steve

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Franks" <stevefranks@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone find info on the BGW200 on philips site?  All I can find is
> news-release garbage.  Is it still in pre-production?
> 
> Steve
>

Steve,
You will not get any useful information until you sign a NDA (Non 
Discolsure Agreement) with Philips. If your expected volumes are low 
you will be directed to some third-party design house. Only high 
volume OEM customers are supported directly by Philips.

We at Embedded Artists will release a WLAN module based on BGW200 
including the needed driver embedded on a LPC2xxx processor on the 
board. Our modules will be ideal for embedding into other embedded 
projects. Expect our release in April.
The BGW200 is definitively a released product... and BGW211 will be 
even more interesting since it also support IEEE802.11g.

Best Regards,
Anders Rosvall at Embedded Artists

Anders,

            I second that. All of the Wi-Fi chip makers are the same. I
have emailed them to get information (datasheets, eval board availability
etc)
left voice mail and have not received any communication whatsoever. I know
they are catering to cell phone, pda, and all other high volume products,
but it would be nice just to get something back from them.  I want to
develop a wireless CAN bus interface that could be put in a vehicle to
monitor critical data during testing. I have gotten a Zigbee/AVR version to
work but, throughput is not there. The vechicle I am monitoring is running
at 250KBps and is about 60% loaded (~1000 msgs/second) The fastest I can
run the zigbee is 250KBps over the air so anything above 500 msgs/second
gets lost. I was wondering if anyone knows of a WI-FI chip maker willing to
work with a small volume run of product? Anders would it be possible that
the BGW200 board have the optional population of the LPC2129??? This would
make for a compact solution for CAN to WI-FI..

Thanks,

Brian K. Mohlman
Project Engineer (Electrical)
Advanced Concepts Design Engineering
JLG Industries Inc.
1 JLG Drive
McConnellsburg, PA 17233
Ph. (717) 485-6495
mailto:bkmohlman@...
http://www.jlg.com
http://www.gradall.com

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There is a new board ny Adya Systems that will be available soon 
that uses the BGW200 and LPC2138.  You can see more details at:

http://www.adyasystems.com/products.htm


--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, bkmohlman@... wrote:
>
> 
> Anders,
> 
>             I second that. All of the Wi-Fi chip makers are the 
same. I
> have emailed them to get information (datasheets, eval board 
availability
> etc)
> left voice mail and have not received any communication 
whatsoever. I know
> they are catering to cell phone, pda, and all other high volume 
products,
> but it would be nice just to get something back from them.  I want 
to
> develop a wireless CAN bus interface that could be put in a 
vehicle to
> monitor critical data during testing. I have gotten a Zigbee/AVR 
version to
> work but, throughput is not there. The vechicle I am monitoring is 
running
> at 250KBps and is about 60% loaded (~1000 msgs/second) The fastest 
I can
> run the zigbee is 250KBps over the air so anything above 500 
msgs/second
> gets lost. I was wondering if anyone knows of a WI-FI chip maker 
willing to
> work with a small volume run of product? Anders would it be 
possible that
> the BGW200 board have the optional population of the LPC2129??? 
This would
> make for a compact solution for CAN to WI-FI..
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brian K. Mohlman
> Project Engineer (Electrical)
> Advanced Concepts Design Engineering
> JLG Industries Inc.
> 1 JLG Drive
> McConnellsburg, PA 17233
> Ph. (717) 485-6495
> mailto:bkmohlman@...
> http://www.jlg.com
> http://www.gradall.com
> 
> 
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> Further, JLG Industries, Inc. is not responsible for the proper and
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for
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Yeah,

I looked at that version. I don't really need all the overhead associated
with the data layers of 802.11x. What I do need is the Wi-Fi hardware to
send CAN packet data over the air at decent xmission rates. What I did with
the zigbee chip was to set the packet size to what I needed per CAN message
(12 bytes) and on reception xfer the packet into the CAN Tx message object
on the AVR. It looks like most of the Wi-Fi IC vendors have some sort of
SPI interface like the Chipcon Zigbee IC, so I would like to roll my own
proprietary protocol and speak to the Wi-Fi IC directly with the SPI
channel on the LP2129 and send the data back over the CAN channel.

Brian K. Mohlman
Project Engineer (Electrical)
Advanced Concepts Design Engineering
JLG Industries Inc.
1 JLG Drive
McConnellsburg, PA 17233
Ph. (717) 485-6495
mailto:bkmohlman@...
http://www.jlg.com
http://www.gradall.com

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There is a new board ny Adya Systems that will be available soon 
that uses the BGW200 and LPC2138.  You can see more details at:

http://www.adyasystems.com/products.htm


--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, bkmohlman@... wrote:
>
> 
> Anders,
> 
>             I second that. All of the Wi-Fi chip makers are the 
same. I
> have emailed them to get information (datasheets, eval board 
availability
> etc)
> left voice mail and have not received any communication 
whatsoever. I know
> they are catering to cell phone, pda, and all other high volume 
products,
> but it would be nice just to get something back from them.  I want 
to
> develop a wireless CAN bus interface that could be put in a 
vehicle to
> monitor critical data during testing. I have gotten a Zigbee/AVR 
version to
> work but, throughput is not there. The vechicle I am monitoring is 
running
> at 250KBps and is about 60% loaded (~1000 msgs/second) The fastest 
I can
> run the zigbee is 250KBps over the air so anything above 500 
msgs/second
> gets lost. I was wondering if anyone knows of a WI-FI chip maker 
willing to
> work with a small volume run of product? Anders would it be 
possible that
> the BGW200 board have the optional population of the LPC2129??? 
This would
> make for a compact solution for CAN to WI-FI..
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brian K. Mohlman
> Project Engineer (Electrical)
> Advanced Concepts Design Engineering
> JLG Industries Inc.
> 1 JLG Drive
> McConnellsburg, PA 17233
> Ph. (717) 485-6495
> mailto:bkmohlman@...
> http://www.jlg.com
> http://www.gradall.com
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the question to "philips_marketing_usa" is:
Would I be able to buy BGW200 in small quantities later, after 
evaluation using Adyasystem's or Embedded Artist's boards?

Jan



--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "philips_marketing_usa" 
<philips_marketing_usa@...> wrote:
>
> There is a new board ny Adya Systems that will be available soon 
> that uses the BGW200 and LPC2138.  You can see more details at:
> 
> http://www.adyasystems.com/products.htm
> 
> 
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, bkmohlman@ wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Anders,
> > 
> >             I second that. All of the Wi-Fi chip makers are the 
> same. I
> > have emailed them to get information (datasheets, eval board 
> availability
> > etc)
> > left voice mail and have not received any communication 
> whatsoever. I know
> > they are catering to cell phone, pda, and all other high volume 
> products,
> > but it would be nice just to get something back from them.  I 
want 
> to
> > develop a wireless CAN bus interface that could be put in a 
> vehicle to
> > monitor critical data during testing. I have gotten a Zigbee/AVR 
> version to
> > work but, throughput is not there. The vechicle I am monitoring 
is 
> running
> > at 250KBps and is about 60% loaded (~1000 msgs/second) The 
fastest 
> I can
> > run the zigbee is 250KBps over the air so anything above 500 
> msgs/second
> > gets lost. I was wondering if anyone knows of a WI-FI chip maker 
> willing to
> > work with a small volume run of product? Anders would it be 
> possible that
> > the BGW200 board have the optional population of the LPC2129??? 
> This would
> > make for a compact solution for CAN to WI-FI..
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Brian K. Mohlman
> > Project Engineer (Electrical)
> > Advanced Concepts Design Engineering
> > JLG Industries Inc.
> > 1 JLG Drive
> > McConnellsburg, PA 17233
> > Ph. (717) 485-6495
> > mailto:bkmohlman@
> > http://www.jlg.com
> > http://www.gradall.com
> > 
> > 
> 
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> > whom it is addressed.  Any disclosure, copying or further 
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> > Further, JLG Industries, Inc. is not responsible for the proper 
and

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Hi Jan,
The situation is a little bit more complicated. You need a SW driver 
for the BGW200. This driver is not readily available. The cost for 
getting it under a support agreement (from a third party design 
house in cooperation with Philips) is surprisingly high.
Further, the design must pass FCC and CE certification RF tests = an 
even bigger hole in your pocket.

From our estimates it's not economical viable to develop a customer 
solution if the volume is less than 5k / year.

Our product at Embedded Artists is designed to be a solution for low-
volume projects where the driver is embedded on the module. The 
module will also have passed FCC and CE tests. The module cost will 
certainly not be as low as just buying the BGW200, but low enough to 
be interesting for many projects.
Watch our homepage for announcements in April.

//Anders



--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Jan Szymanski" <janek@...> wrote:
>
> the question to "philips_marketing_usa" is:
> Would I be able to buy BGW200 in small quantities later, after 
> evaluation using Adyasystem's or Embedded Artist's boards?
> 
> Jan
> 
> 
> 
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "philips_marketing_usa" 
> <philips_marketing_usa@> wrote:
> >
> > There is a new board ny Adya Systems that will be available soon 
> > that uses the BGW200 and LPC2138.  You can see more details at:
> > 
> > http://www.adyasystems.com/products.htm
> > 
> > 
> > --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, bkmohlman@ wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Anders,
> > > 
> > >             I second that. All of the Wi-Fi chip makers are 
the 
> > same. I
> > > have emailed them to get information (datasheets, eval board 
> > availability
> > > etc)
> > > left voice mail and have not received any communication 
> > whatsoever. I know
> > > they are catering to cell phone, pda, and all other high 
volume 
> > products,
> > > but it would be nice just to get something back from them.  I 
> want 
> > to
> > > develop a wireless CAN bus interface that could be put in a 
> > vehicle to
> > > monitor critical data during testing. I have gotten a 
Zigbee/AVR 
> > version to
> > > work but, throughput is not there. The vechicle I am 
monitoring 
> is 
> > running
> > > at 250KBps and is about 60% loaded (~1000 msgs/second) The 
> fastest 
> > I can
> > > run the zigbee is 250KBps over the air so anything above 500 
> > msgs/second
> > > gets lost. I was wondering if anyone knows of a WI-FI chip 
maker 
> > willing to
> > > work with a small volume run of product? Anders would it be 
> > possible that
> > > the BGW200 board have the optional population of the 
LPC2129??? 
> > This would
> > > make for a compact solution for CAN to WI-FI..
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Brian K. Mohlman
> > > Project Engineer (Electrical)
> > > Advanced Concepts Design Engineering
> > > JLG Industries Inc.
> > > 1 JLG Drive
> > > McConnellsburg, PA 17233
> > > Ph. (717) 485-6495
> > > mailto:bkmohlman@
> > > http://www.jlg.com
> > > http://www.gradall.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
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confidential.  
> > It is
> > > intended solely for the use of the individual(s) or 
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> > (s) to
> > > whom it is addressed.  Any disclosure, copying or further 
> > distribution
> > > is not permitted unless such privilege is explicitly granted 
in 
> > writing
> > > by JLG Industries, Inc.
> > > Further, JLG Industries, Inc. is not responsible for the 
proper 
> and
> > > complete transmission of the substance of this communication 
nor 

> > for
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> > >
> >
>

Philips Distributors stock the devices, but the distributor decides 
if they are willing to break the 500 piece boxes.  I honestly don't 
know what each distributor's policy is.

I will pass on a message to our WLAN marketing group to find out why 
Digikey isn't stocking the BGW200.



--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Jan Szymanski" <janek@...> wrote:
>
> the question to "philips_marketing_usa" is:
> Would I be able to buy BGW200 in small quantities later, after 
> evaluation using Adyasystem's or Embedded Artist's boards?
> 
> Jan
> 
> 
> 
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "philips_marketing_usa" 
> <philips_marketing_usa@> wrote:
> >
> > There is a new board ny Adya Systems that will be available soon 
> > that uses the BGW200 and LPC2138.  You can see more details at:
> > 
> > http://www.adyasystems.com/products.htm
> > 
> > 
> > --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, bkmohlman@ wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Anders,
> > > 
> > >             I second that. All of the Wi-Fi chip makers are 
the 
> > same. I
> > > have emailed them to get information (datasheets, eval board 
> > availability
> > > etc)
> > > left voice mail and have not received any communication 
> > whatsoever. I know
> > > they are catering to cell phone, pda, and all other high 
volume 
> > products,
> > > but it would be nice just to get something back from them.  I 
> want 
> > to
> > > develop a wireless CAN bus interface that could be put in a 
> > vehicle to
> > > monitor critical data during testing. I have gotten a 
Zigbee/AVR 
> > version to
> > > work but, throughput is not there. The vechicle I am 
monitoring 
> is 
> > running
> > > at 250KBps and is about 60% loaded (~1000 msgs/second) The 
> fastest 
> > I can
> > > run the zigbee is 250KBps over the air so anything above 500 
> > msgs/second
> > > gets lost. I was wondering if anyone knows of a WI-FI chip 
maker 
> > willing to
> > > work with a small volume run of product? Anders would it be 
> > possible that
> > > the BGW200 board have the optional population of the 
LPC2129??? 
> > This would
> > > make for a compact solution for CAN to WI-FI..
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Brian K. Mohlman
> > > Project Engineer (Electrical)
> > > Advanced Concepts Design Engineering
> > > JLG Industries Inc.
> > > 1 JLG Drive
> > > McConnellsburg, PA 17233
> > > Ph. (717) 485-6495
> > > mailto:bkmohlman@
> > > http://www.jlg.com
> > > http://www.gradall.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
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confidential.  
> > It is
> > > intended solely for the use of the individual(s) or 
organization
> > (s) to
> > > whom it is addressed.  Any disclosure, copying or further 
> > distribution
> > > is not permitted unless such privilege is explicitly granted 
in 
> > writing
> > > by JLG Industries, Inc.
> > > Further, JLG Industries, Inc. is not responsible for the 
proper 
> and
> > > complete transmission of the substance of this communication 
nor 

> > for
> > > any delay in its receipt.
> > >
> >
>

OK,

      If Digikey is going to stock it, can we get datasheets/information on
the part???


Brian K. Mohlman
Project Engineer (Electrical)
Advanced Concepts Design Engineering
JLG Industries Inc.
1 JLG Drive
McConnellsburg, PA 17233
Ph. (717) 485-6495
mailto:bkmohlman@...
http://www.jlg.com
http://www.gradall.com

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I just recieved pricing from adya, and it's not exactly hobbyist
material (try the pre-packaged units from digikey or mouser instead). 
If I had a commercial need, I would look at the volume.  For me <10
units, not worthwhile, >1000 units, I suspect there might be a
lower-cost solution.  For that 10-1000 mark, it might do well.  They
don't put pricing out in the open on their website, so I'm not posting
it.

bkmohlman@... wrote:

>OK,
>
>      If Digikey is going to stock it, can we get datasheets/information on
>the part???
>
>  
>
If Digikey will stock it, it *will* have a data sheet available from 
Digikey.  Digikey is very very good about that sort of thing!

Regards,

TomW

j

>Brian K. Mohlman
>Project Engineer (Electrical)
>Advanced Concepts Design Engineering
>JLG Industries Inc.
>1 JLG Drive
>McConnellsburg, PA 17233
>Ph. (717) 485-6495
>mailto:bkmohlman@...
>http://www.jlg.com
>http://www.gradall.com
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Hello,

>I just recieved pricing from adya, and it's not exactly hobbyist
> material (try the pre-packaged units from digikey or mouser instead). 

can you post the prices you got ?

Regards and thanks,

           Martin