Lpc2000

> Gradoj, what is your reason for starting this forum and what is you 
> background with regard to ARM?. Have you contributed to any ARM 
> discussions before? It would certainly help if you have as it would
lend 
> you some credibility. Otherwise I can see no reason to take discussions 
> away from established groups.
> 
> 
> *Peter*
> http://www.pbjtech.com/
>
Since anyone can find this information for themselves I would
appreciate it if you would remove it from your post.

To answer your question I am an embedded developer currently working
on a project with an ARM processor. I started developing this site
when AT91.com went down - I didn't know if Atmel would ever bring it
back up. I found it a very valuable resource and thought it would be
nice if there was a website similar dedicated to all ARM core processors.

I apologize for spamming but didn't really consider it spam as the
topic of the newsgroup and website are the same.

Anyways, I would really like to see this site succeed. As people start
to use it we can eventually get the FAE's watching and answering
questions as well. If we have all this information in one place it
will make all our lives easier.

Please feel free to post away.
PS.I really would like that information removed from your post. I have
nothing to hide but...thanks.

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "gradoj1" <gradoj1@...> wrote:

> PS.I really would like that information removed from your post. I have
> nothing to hide but...thanks.
>

There are 3181 addresses on this list.

Should we all delete your messages and pretend there is noone behind
the curtain.

hamilton

Hamilton,

I'm fairly sure he was taling about future emails.

There's nothing smart, cute or ethical about publishing other peoples personal
contact details on open forums.

Cheers,

Peter.



Quoting donhamilton2002 <hamilton@...>:

> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "gradoj1" <gradoj1@...> wrote:
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>> PS.I really would like that information removed from your post. I have
>> nothing to hide but...thanks.
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> There are 3181 addresses on this list.
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> Should we all delete your messages and pretend there is noone behind
> the curtain.
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> hamilton
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--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "gradoj1" <gradoj1@...> wrote:
> >
> Since anyone can find this information for themselves I would
> appreciate it if you would remove it from your post.
> 
> To answer your question I am an embedded developer currently working
> on a project with an ARM processor. I started developing this site
> when AT91.com went down - I didn't know if Atmel would ever bring it
> back up. I found it a very valuable resource and thought it would be
> nice if there was a website similar dedicated to all ARM core
processors.
> 
> I apologize for spamming but didn't really consider it spam as the
> topic of the newsgroup and website are the same.
> 
> Anyways, I would really like to see this site succeed. As people start
> to use it we can eventually get the FAE's watching and answering
> questions as well. If we have all this information in one place it
> will make all our lives easier.
> 
> Please feel free to post away.
> PS.I really would like that information removed from your post. I have
> nothing to hide but...thanks.
>

>>Hamilton,

>>I'm fairly sure he was talking about future emails.

>>There's nothing smart, cute or ethical about publishing other
peoples personal
>>contact details on open forums.

>>Cheers,

>>Peter.


I always think of something better after I hit send.

Reading over gradoj1 last post, I realised that if he would have used:

" I am an embedded developer currently working
> on a project with an ARM processor. I started developing this site
> when AT91.com went down - I didn't know if Atmel would ever bring it
> back up. I found it a very valuable resource and thought it would be
> nice if there was a website similar dedicated to all ARM core
processors."

in his posts around the net, his "spam" would have been far better
accepted.

The series of posts about this 'new' self serving web site, gave no
idea if its just a play on technology to draw hits to a un-related
site, is I think the real issue here.

So gradoj1 or K....., or whoever you are, please be a little more
forth coming about what you are trying to do.


Thanks,

hamilton

Folks,
At the risk of being fomenting unrest and the ensuing results...

What's wrong with letting members decide what information they wish to 
look at on their own? 

For instance the Keil site has plenty of useful info on it and is indeed
commercial. Should I not look there because it's an 'enemy' list?.

I don't understand why this should be a competitive thing. It certainly
doesn't seem to have anything to do with embedded development to 
blast somebody for mentioning a site.

I can decide on my own if it's a legitimate resource. I do this with any
list I frequent . What will cause a loss of users isn't a competing site,
but an antagonistic environment on this one with lots of off topic junk
mixed in with core content. 

You have to avoid reading too much motive into email because a lot of
the cues found in normal communication are missing.
It often takes several posts before you can get a true feel for any
underlying message. It's better to just not go there and stick to
technical issues and take it all at face value.

There is precious little info on some of the practical details of the
LPC series and it's good to find information that doesn't require
an inordinate amount of winnowing to extract the good stuff.

For instance you can flip the state of the GPIO pins used as outputs
with an ESD hit and not trigger the watchdog leaving the processor
running but the I/O shot to pieces. This is the type of thing that
upsets me, not somebody posting a link.

Just my .02,
Landrum

> I always think of something better after I hit send.
> 
> Reading over gradoj1 last post, I realised that if he would have used:
> 
> " I am an embedded developer currently working
> > on a project with an ARM processor. I started developing this site
> > when AT91.com went down - I didn't know if Atmel would ever bring it
> > back up. I found it a very valuable resource and thought it would be
> > nice if there was a website similar dedicated to all ARM core
> processors."
> 
> in his posts around the net, his "spam" would have been far better
> accepted.
> 
> The series of posts about this 'new' self serving web site, gave no
> idea if its just a play on technology to draw hits to a un-related
> site, is I think the real issue here.
> 
> So gradoj1 or K....., or whoever you are, please be a little more
> forth coming about what you are trying to do.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> hamilton

gradoj wrote:
> Since anyone can find this information for themselves I would
> appreciate it if you would remove it from your post.
> 
> To answer your question I am an embedded developer currently working on
> a project with an ARM processor. I started developing this site when
> AT91.com went down - I didn't know if Atmel would ever bring it back
> up. I found it a very valuable resource and thought it would be nice if
> there was a website similar dedicated to all ARM core processors.
> 
> I apologize for spamming but didn't really consider it spam as the
> topic of the newsgroup and website are the same.
> 
> Anyways, I would really like to see this site succeed. As people start
> to use it we can eventually get the FAE's watching and answering
> questions as well. If we have all this information in one place it will
> make all our lives easier.
> 
> Please feel free to post away.
> PS.I really would like that information removed from your post. I have
> nothing to hide but...thanks.
> 

gradoj or whoever you are. If you had started off your announcement with 
what you have just said you would at least be taken for someone sincere. 
However, I have not heard of you before on any of the groups neither had 
you canvassed for opinions before embarking on setting up a new forum. I 
understand you had problems with AT91.com but why didn't you setup an 
AT91.com style group then? The LPC2000 group is specifically for Philips 
LPC21xx processors albeit with a bit of overlap into ARM processors and 
embedded electronics in general as you would expect.

Hint: You could try and sell us on your website as to why we would want 
to go there. What are your aims? How can we benefit? etc etc.

Also, the whois listing is freely available to anyone, the purpose was 
to try and find out something about you before I put my foot in my mouth 
:-! but question marks remain. It does not appear that you and the 
registrant are the same person although I am not really concerned about 
your exact identity anyway, just the questionable way you have announced 
your site.

Sincerely,
*Peter*

BTW, was the "just a dream" your doing as well???

My $0.02:

Why does someone who loves newsgroups and mailing list always get 
offended when someone fills the niche of a forum?

I personally prefer Forums for the simple fact I can hope avoid asking 
newbie questions by hitting the "search" button on the same site that 
I'm viewing the forum itself.  Mailing lists require other steps that 
don't always work - ie Google can only crawl the web so often.

Therefore this reason of being able to find info more easily alone is 
enough for me to prefer Forums over lists. Look at how popular in the 
AVR community AVRFreaks.net is over any AVR lists.

Is there duplication? maybe for a while. Will Darwinism mean the most 
popular will prevail and then duplication minimised, possibly.

Why always attack someone making a Forum?   This isn't communism (unless 
you are reading this in China), choice is a good thing.

<I think I spent more than 2 cents here>

Nigel


donhamilton2002 wrote:
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "gradoj1" <gradoj1@...> wrote:
> > >
> > Since anyone can find this information for themselves I would
> > appreciate it if you would remove it from your post.
> >
> > To answer your question I am an embedded developer currently working
> > on a project with an ARM processor. I started developing this site
> > when AT91.com went down - I didn't know if Atmel would ever bring it
> > back up. I found it a very valuable resource and thought it would be
> > nice if there was a website similar dedicated to all ARM core
> processors.
> >
> > I apologize for spamming but didn't really consider it spam as the
> > topic of the newsgroup and website are the same.
<snip>

Same for me, I really prefer forum over newsgroup or mailing list, 
so I'll visit this forum too, but that will be difficult to add real 
content rapidly..

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, N S <MrMicro@...> wrote:
>
> My $0.02:
> 
> Why does someone who loves newsgroups and mailing list always get 
> offended when someone fills the niche of a forum?
> 
> I personally prefer Forums for the simple fact I can hope avoid 
asking 
> newbie questions by hitting the "search" button on the same site 
that 
> I'm viewing the forum itself.  Mailing lists require other steps 
that 
> don't always work - ie Google can only crawl the web so often.
> 
> Therefore this reason of being able to find info more easily alone 
is 
> enough for me to prefer Forums over lists. Look at how popular in 
the 
> AVR community AVRFreaks.net is over any AVR lists.
> 
> Is there duplication? maybe for a while. Will Darwinism mean the 
most 
> popular will prevail and then duplication minimised, possibly.
> 
> Why always attack someone making a Forum?   This isn't communism 
(unless 

> you are reading this in China), choice is a good thing.
> 
> <I think I spent more than 2 cents here>
> 
> Nigel

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "valdef78" <valdef@...> wrote:
>
> Same for me, I really prefer forum over newsgroup or mailing list, 
> so I'll visit this forum too, but that will be difficult to add real 
> content rapidly..
> 

a real advantage with forums is that infos are organized by posts, so 
you can see (or avoid) a specific subject. and if you want to edit 
your precedent post or add something to it (like I do now), it's 
clearer for those who read the post after..
and if someone arrive even several years after the beginning of a 
forum, it's really easy to find infos and avoid to post always the 
same questions. that's really not so easy with newsgroups or mailing 
lists.

(again, in a forum I would have just edited my precedent post..)

but for ArmCorePro, maybe the subject will be very too vast. it's a 
nice idea to try to regroup infos about the differents ARM 
implementations in the same place, because there could be much infos 
that could be of use from one to another and many users will use 
different versions and could give interesting infos about the 
differences. but I don't really think that there will be enough people 
to regroup the infos and really populate all the forum. and noone can 
be able to really be interested in all the implementations and know 
correctly each one to be able to give answers. so to make this forum 
really active and efficient, it will need a big number of visitors..