Lpc2000

Hi,

you may be interested in the recent rumor spead in comp.embedded.arch:
<quote>
Just FYI, ATMEL has updated the Flyer
The new members of the AT91SAM7Sxx will have a 256KF/64KR,
a 128KF/32KR + EMAC. An ATMEL's guy, told me that they will add also a
256KF/64KR version with external bus interface like the AT91R40008.
I heard that the AT91SAM7S64 will be priced 3.5 USD, so I let you
imagine the price of the SAM7S32...
</quote>

it seems that Atmel watches Philips LPCs closely as they changed 
(increased) the Flash/Ram amount of the first anounced devices :)

also it seems that ARM7 is going to replace completely some PIC and 
AVRs in the next years from most of applications (unless 8bit flash 
price go more down under ;)

Best regards
Tsvetan
---
PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb 
(http://www.olimex.com/pcb)
PCB any volume assembly (http://www.olimex.com/pcb/protoa.html)
Development boards for ARM, AVR, PIC, and MSP430  
(http://www.olimex.com/dev)

Hi 

I have an even better rumor(Fact).
Philips will strike back latter this year with a realy low cost 
version of lpc2100.
The series name will be LPC213X and will be LPC2104 alike with 64K 
Flash. (More I dont know)

So I guess we will see a real battle within the low cost ARM.


Best regards


John

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "tsvetanusunov" <tusunov@m...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> you may be interested in the recent rumor spead in 
comp.embedded.arch:
> <quote>
> Just FYI, ATMEL has updated the Flyer
> The new members of the AT91SAM7Sxx will have a 256KF/64KR,
> a 128KF/32KR + EMAC. An ATMEL's guy, told me that they will add 
also a

> 256KF/64KR version with external bus interface like the AT91R40008.
> I heard that the AT91SAM7S64 will be priced 3.5 USD, so I let you
> imagine the price of the SAM7S32...
> </quote>
> 
> it seems that Atmel watches Philips LPCs closely as they changed 
> (increased) the Flash/Ram amount of the first anounced devices :)
> 
> also it seems that ARM7 is going to replace completely some PIC and 
> AVRs in the next years from most of applications (unless 8bit flash 
> price go more down under ;)
> 
> Best regards
> Tsvetan
> ---
> PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb 
> (http://www.olimex.com/pcb)
> PCB any volume assembly (http://www.olimex.com/pcb/protoa.html)
> Development boards for ARM, AVR, PIC, and MSP430  
> (http://www.olimex.com/dev)

Every new annoucement seems to strengthen the often-made prediction that ARM 
is going to be the 8051 of the 2000's. It is interesting to note that every 
major micro vendor (except Renesas/Hitachi and AMD) publicly acknowledge ARM 
licensing. Of course Hitachi and AMD might have some secret licensing deal 
like Motorola is rumoured to have had for some years.

Personally, I'm waiting for a rash of USB clients....

I hope too for devices with faster GPIO blocks. It really  **sucks** that a 
60/70Mhz core can only modulate GPIO pins a 6MHz.

As more and more devices start using ARM and m iore and more programmers 
start to use ARM it is going to be harder to justify proprietary 
architectures like AVR and H8. The "value added differentiation" is going to 
come from other quarters like better peripherals, integrated CPLDs etc.

-- CHarles

> Hi
>
> I have an even better rumor(Fact).
> Philips will strike back latter this year with a realy low cost
> version of lpc2100.
> The series name will be LPC213X and will be LPC2104 alike with 64K
> Flash. (More I dont know)
>
> So I guess we will see a real battle within the low cost ARM.
>
>
> Best regards
>
>
> John
>
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "tsvetanusunov" <tusunov@m...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > you may be interested in the recent rumor spead in
>
> comp.embedded.arch:
> > <quote>
> > Just FYI, ATMEL has updated the Flyer
> > The new members of the AT91SAM7Sxx will have a 256KF/64KR,
> > a 128KF/32KR + EMAC. An ATMEL's guy, told me that they will add
>
> also a
>
> > 256KF/64KR version with external bus interface like the AT91R40008.
> > I heard that the AT91SAM7S64 will be priced 3.5 USD, so I let you
> > imagine the price of the SAM7S32...
> > </quote>
> >
> > it seems that Atmel watches Philips LPCs closely as they changed
> > (increased) the Flash/Ram amount of the first anounced devices :)
> >
> > also it seems that ARM7 is going to replace completely some PIC and
> > AVRs in the next years from most of applications (unless 8bit flash
> > price go more down under ;)
> >
> > Best regards
> > Tsvetan
> > ---
> > PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb
> > (http://www.olimex.com/pcb)
> > PCB any volume assembly (http://www.olimex.com/pcb/protoa.html)
> > Development boards for ARM, AVR, PIC, and MSP430
> > (http://www.olimex.com/dev)
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

But I have yet to see an ARM with as low as 250uA (yes you read right micro
ampere) current draw in active mode like the AVR ATtiny13 !

Find that or better and im sold out :)

Best regards
Lasse Madsen

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Charles Manning [mailto:manningc2@...]
Sendt: 3. juni 2004 09:00
Til: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
Emne: Re: [lpc2000] Re: interesting info from Atmel


Every new annoucement seems to strengthen the often-made prediction that ARM
is going to be the 8051 of the 2000's. It is interesting to note that every
major micro vendor (except Renesas/Hitachi and AMD) publicly acknowledge ARM
licensing. Of course Hitachi and AMD might have some secret licensing deal
like Motorola is rumoured to have had for some years.

Personally, I'm waiting for a rash of USB clients....

I hope too for devices with faster GPIO blocks. It really  **sucks** that a
60/70Mhz core can only modulate GPIO pins a 6MHz.

As more and more devices start using ARM and m iore and more programmers
start to use ARM it is going to be harder to justify proprietary
architectures like AVR and H8. The "value added differentiation" is going to
come from other quarters like better peripherals, integrated CPLDs etc.

-- CHarles



> Hi
>
> I have an even better rumor(Fact).
> Philips will strike back latter this year with a realy low cost
> version of lpc2100.
> The series name will be LPC213X and will be LPC2104 alike with 64K
> Flash. (More I dont know)
>
> So I guess we will see a real battle within the low cost ARM.
>
>
> Best regards
>
>
> John
>
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "tsvetanusunov" <tusunov@m...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > you may be interested in the recent rumor spead in
>
> comp.embedded.arch:
> > <quote>
> > Just FYI, ATMEL has updated the Flyer
> > The new members of the AT91SAM7Sxx will have a 256KF/64KR,
> > a 128KF/32KR + EMAC. An ATMEL's guy, told me that they will add
>
> also a
>
> > 256KF/64KR version with external bus interface like the AT91R40008.
> > I heard that the AT91SAM7S64 will be priced 3.5 USD, so I let you
> > imagine the price of the SAM7S32...
> > </quote>
> >
> > it seems that Atmel watches Philips LPCs closely as they changed
> > (increased) the Flash/Ram amount of the first anounced devices :)
> >
> > also it seems that ARM7 is going to replace completely some PIC and
> > AVRs in the next years from most of applications (unless 8bit flash
> > price go more down under ;)
> >
> > Best regards
> > Tsvetan
> > ---
> > PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb
> > (http://www.olimex.com/pcb)
> > PCB any volume assembly (http://www.olimex.com/pcb/protoa.html)
> > Development boards for ARM, AVR, PIC, and MSP430
> > (http://www.olimex.com/dev)
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>




Yahoo! Groups Links

It is getting harder to justify non-ARM, but not impossible. There will be 
many niches left for quite a while.

AFAIK The Texas MSP430 devices are better than that.

On Thursday 03 June 2004 19:09, Lasse Madsen wrote:
> But I have yet to see an ARM with as low as 250uA (yes you read right micro
> ampere) current draw in active mode like the AVR ATtiny13 !
>
> Find that or better and im sold out :)
>
> Best regards
> Lasse Madsen
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Charles Manning [mailto:manningc2@...]
> Sendt: 3. juni 2004 09:00
> Til: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
> Emne: Re: [lpc2000] Re: interesting info from Atmel
>
>
> Every new annoucement seems to strengthen the often-made prediction that
> ARM is going to be the 8051 of the 2000's. It is interesting to note that
> every major micro vendor (except Renesas/Hitachi and AMD) publicly
> acknowledge ARM licensing. Of course Hitachi and AMD might have some secret
> licensing deal like Motorola is rumoured to have had for some years.
>
> Personally, I'm waiting for a rash of USB clients....
>
> I hope too for devices with faster GPIO blocks. It really  **sucks** that a
> 60/70Mhz core can only modulate GPIO pins a 6MHz.
>
> As more and more devices start using ARM and m iore and more programmers
> start to use ARM it is going to be harder to justify proprietary
> architectures like AVR and H8. The "value added differentiation" is going
> to come from other quarters like better peripherals, integrated CPLDs etc.
>
> -- CHarles
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I have an even better rumor(Fact).
> > Philips will strike back latter this year with a realy low cost
> > version of lpc2100.
> > The series name will be LPC213X and will be LPC2104 alike with 64K
> > Flash. (More I dont know)
> >
> > So I guess we will see a real battle within the low cost ARM.
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> > --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "tsvetanusunov" <tusunov@m...> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > you may be interested in the recent rumor spead in
> >
> > comp.embedded.arch:
> > > <quote>
> > > Just FYI, ATMEL has updated the Flyer
> > > The new members of the AT91SAM7Sxx will have a 256KF/64KR,
> > > a 128KF/32KR + EMAC. An ATMEL's guy, told me that they will add
> >
> > also a
> >
> > > 256KF/64KR version with external bus interface like the AT91R40008.
> > > I heard that the AT91SAM7S64 will be priced 3.5 USD, so I let you
> > > imagine the price of the SAM7S32...
> > > </quote>
> > >
> > > it seems that Atmel watches Philips LPCs closely as they changed
> > > (increased) the Flash/Ram amount of the first anounced devices :)
> > >
> > > also it seems that ARM7 is going to replace completely some PIC and
> > > AVRs in the next years from most of applications (unless 8bit flash
> > > price go more down under ;)
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Tsvetan
> > > ---
> > > PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb
> > > (http://www.olimex.com/pcb)
> > > PCB any volume assembly (http://www.olimex.com/pcb/protoa.html)
> > > Development boards for ARM, AVR, PIC, and MSP430
> > > (http://www.olimex.com/dev)
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

> Every new annoucement seems to strengthen the often-made prediction that
ARM
> is going to be the 8051 of the 2000's.

True.

> As more and more devices start using ARM and m iore and more programmers
> start to use ARM it is going to be harder to justify proprietary
> architectures like AVR and H8.

...and movies will make books disappear, and computer screen will substitute
paper, and because of TV there will be no radio stations anymore ;-)

Not true.

Regards,
Igor

>> Of course Hitachi and AMD might have some secret licensing deal 
like Motorola is rumoured to have had for some years. <<

It's no secret on Motorola's part! They've been using ARM cores for years in 
the Dragonballs that Palm Pilots used to use. They [Motorola] now have these 
MAC7100 devices which are not at all dissimilar to the Phillips devices. 
(Although they're not keen to promote these devices unless the volumes are 
huge as they want to keep people using their Coldfire devices. "P*ssing in 
the wind" is the phrase that comes to mind! ;-)

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "tsvetanusunov" <tusunov@m...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> you may be interested in the recent rumor spead in 
comp.embedded.arch:
> <quote>
> Just FYI, ATMEL has updated the Flyer
> The new members of the AT91SAM7Sxx will have a 256KF/64KR,
> a 128KF/32KR + EMAC. An ATMEL's guy, told me that they will add 
also a
> 256KF/64KR version with external bus interface like the AT91R40008.
> I heard that the AT91SAM7S64 will be priced 3.5 USD, so I let you
> imagine the price of the SAM7S32...
> </quote>
> 
> it seems that Atmel watches Philips LPCs closely as they changed 
> (increased) the Flash/Ram amount of the first anounced devices :)
> 
> also it seems that ARM7 is going to replace completely some PIC and 
> AVRs in the next years from most of applications (unless 8bit flash 
> price go more down under ;)
> 
> Best regards
> Tsvetan
> ---
> PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb 
> (http://www.olimex.com/pcb)
> PCB any volume assembly (http://www.olimex.com/pcb/protoa.html)
> Development boards for ARM, AVR, PIC, and MSP430  
> (http://www.olimex.com/dev)

Hi tsvetan,

I will say that Atmel Watches Philips but Philips watches ATMEL too. 
After that if you like one or the other you will tell it in the way 
in favour of the one you like. That's normal ! But that's not just 
like "Big brther is watching you...".
Big Manufacturers like Philips and Atmel have Analysis report about 
flash memory size trends for the ARM MCU Market, and then they decide 
to create a new family. So, you will have crossed feature between 
both manucaturer at a certain moment.
According to me, you will see New Philips Standard ARM Products based 
on ARM920T and ARM926EJS core, like ATMEL Family has already now.

Bye.

Hi Tsvetan and ?

it is a fact that Atmel has done a great job copying Philips devices
in the 51-world and adding some additional nice features. Atmel wasa
definitely earlier with ARM on the general purpose microcontroller
market and Philips did not copy but came out with a much more
innovative family, the LPC2000. Now Atmel is ready to copy again (no
offense ;-) and add some additional features. 
In the end this is good for the customer who buys microcontrollers
that strong competition will keep development going forward. It is a
little unusual that Philips generated a new market in the 32-bit
micros but for sure there are several competitors now entering the
market, encouriging all others to become even better. 
Let' all look forward what kind of devices will be out next.

btw. I am also convinced that Philips will come out with ARM9 devices
but I doubt they will be too similar to the Atmel devices.

It's fun to see this market evolving and in the end we, the
microcontroller users will be the winners :-))

Bob

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "trick260173" <trick260173@y...> wrote:

> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "tsvetanusunov" <tusunov@m...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > you may be interested in the recent rumor spead in 
> comp.embedded.arch:
> > <quote>
> > Just FYI, ATMEL has updated the Flyer
> > The new members of the AT91SAM7Sxx will have a 256KF/64KR,
> > a 128KF/32KR + EMAC. An ATMEL's guy, told me that they will add 
> also a
> > 256KF/64KR version with external bus interface like the AT91R40008.
> > I heard that the AT91SAM7S64 will be priced 3.5 USD, so I let you
> > imagine the price of the SAM7S32...
> > </quote>
> > 
> > it seems that Atmel watches Philips LPCs closely as they changed 
> > (increased) the Flash/Ram amount of the first anounced devices :)
> > 
> > also it seems that ARM7 is going to replace completely some PIC and 
> > AVRs in the next years from most of applications (unless 8bit flash 
> > price go more down under ;)
> > 
> > Best regards
> > Tsvetan
> > ---
> > PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb 
> > (http://www.olimex.com/pcb)
> > PCB any volume assembly (http://www.olimex.com/pcb/protoa.html)
> > Development boards for ARM, AVR, PIC, and MSP430  
> > (http://www.olimex.com/dev)
> 
> Hi tsvetan,
> 
> I will say that Atmel Watches Philips but Philips watches ATMEL too. 
> After that if you like one or the other you will tell it in the way 
> in favour of the one you like. That's normal ! But that's not just 
> like "Big brther is watching you...".
> Big Manufacturers like Philips and Atmel have Analysis report about 
> flash memory size trends for the ARM MCU Market, and then they decide 
> to create a new family. So, you will have crossed feature between 
> both manucaturer at a certain moment.
> According to me, you will see New Philips Standard ARM Products based 
> on ARM920T and ARM926EJS core, like ATMEL Family has already now.
> 
> Bye.

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "trick260173" <trick260173@y...> 
wrote:
> According to me, you will see New Philips Standard ARM Products 
based 
> on ARM920T and ARM926EJS core, like ATMEL Family has already now.



ARM9 has already been announced (by Philips) for the automotive 
family (2004/2005):
http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/literature/9397/75012509
.pdf

On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 11:13:57PM -0000, lpc2100_fan wrote:
> btw. I am also convinced that Philips will come out with ARM9 devices
> but I doubt they will be too similar to the Atmel devices.

I see one difference: Atmel parts are all in big and expensive (considering 
PCB and soldering) casings (BGA). The smallest Atmel part is in
a TQFP100, whereas the smallest Philips one is a LQFP48.
I hope we will see even smaller ARM's (probably 20 pins devices?). 
A 8-pin ARM7 would also be useful.

M.

Hi,

I am trying to determine whether the I/O pins on the LPC2016 are 5V tolerant
when in input mode.

Can somebody point me in the right direction.

Thanks.


Peter Homann
mailto:Peter.Homann@...
Adacel Technologies Limited,
250 Bay St, BRIGHTON, 3186, AUSTRALIA
http://www.adacel.com <http://www.adacel.com>
Telephone +61 (3) 8530 7777, Facsimile +61 (3) 9596 2960
Mobile 0421-601 665

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, Matthias Weingart <lpc2000@p...>
wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 11:13:57PM -0000, lpc2100_fan wrote:
> > btw. I am also convinced that Philips will come out with ARM9
devices
> > but I doubt they will be too similar to the Atmel devices.
> 
> I see one difference: Atmel parts are all in big and expensive
(considering 
> PCB and soldering) casings (BGA). The smallest Atmel part is in
> a TQFP100, whereas the smallest Philips one is a LQFP48.
> I hope we will see even smaller ARM's (probably 20 pins devices?). 
> A 8-pin ARM7 would also be useful.
> 
> M.

Where would an 8 pin ARM7 cpu be useful?

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, Matthias Weingart <lpc2000@p...> 
wrote:
> I hope we will see even smaller ARM's (probably 20 pins devices?). 
> A 8-pin ARM7 would also be useful.

8-pin ARM7 is joke right? power supply + JTAG port and no GPIO ;)
even the LPC2106 seems to have a lot of ports but when you enable 
JTAG you loose half of it's GPIO port

Best regards
Tsvetan
---
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(http://www.olimex.com/pcb)
PCB any volume assembly (http://www.olimex.com/pcb/protoa.html)
Development boards for ARM, AVR, PIC, and MSP430  
(http://www.olimex.com/dev)

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Peter Homann" <peter.homann@...>
To: <lpc2000@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:08 AM
Subject: [lpc2000] Are the LPC2016 I/O pins 5V tolerant?


> Hi,
>
> I am trying to determine whether the I/O pins on the LPC2016 are 5V
tolerant
> when in input mode.
>
> Can somebody point me in the right direction.

Yes. See page 1 of the data sheet.

Leon

Tsvetan,

> wrote:
> > I hope we will see even smaller ARM's (probably 20 pins devices?).
> > A 8-pin ARM7 would also be useful.
> 
> 8-pin ARM7 is joke right? power supply + JTAG port and no 
> GPIO ;) even the LPC2106 seems to have a lot of ports but 
> when you enable 
> JTAG you loose half of it's GPIO port

8-pin ARM 7 with serial debug over the /RST line is possible--Atmel have
already introduced debugWIRE for then tinyAVR devices, so why not just
introduce it for ultra-small SAM devices?

--
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, and (soon) Atmel AVR processors

On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 11:53:06AM -0000, tsvetanusunov wrote:
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, Matthias Weingart <lpc2000@p...> 
> wrote:
> > I hope we will see even smaller ARM's (probably 20 pins devices?). 
> > A 8-pin ARM7 would also be useful.
> 
> 8-pin ARM7 is joke right? power supply + JTAG port and no GPIO ;)
> even the LPC2106 seems to have a lot of ports but when you enable 
> JTAG you loose half of it's GPIO port

Of course programming should be different. Just one pin is enough
to load code (internal bootloader working over a one pin bidirectional 
interface is technically seen no problem).

        Matthias

At 11:53 AM 6/4/04 +0000, you wrote:
>--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, Matthias Weingart <lpc2000@p...>
>wrote:
> > I hope we will see even smaller ARM's (probably 20 pins devices?).
> > A 8-pin ARM7 would also be useful.
>
>8-pin ARM7 is joke right? power supply + JTAG port and no GPIO ;)
>even the LPC2106 seems to have a lot of ports but when you enable
>JTAG you loose half of it's GPIO port

I don't know about 8 but I can see applications for something like 12-16 
pins.  Sensorless Vector motor control comes to mind (usually considered a 
DSP app).

Robert

" 'Freedom' has no meaning of itself.  There are always restrictions,
be they legal, genetic, or physical.  If you don't believe me, try to
chew a radio signal. "

                         Kelvin Throop, III

Rene,

the announcement is for the SJA 2020 which is an ARM7 product.
Everything else on the flyer is a so called roadmap. Things that can
be done if enough request is there from the market. Keep in mind that
the LPC2000 microcontrollers and the SJA 2020 come from different
groups within Philips, hence the very different naming. While the
LPC2000 devices have been available to the "public" for quite a while
now, I don't know about samples of the SJA 2020 yet. Most likely there
are samples for key automotive customers because the SJA2020 has been
developed by the Automotive group. The LPC2000 family is from the
"General Purpose Microcontroller" group and target markets are many
because it is general purpose.

Cheers, Bob

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "exh_rene" <exh_rene@y...> wrote:

> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "trick260173" <trick260173@y...> 
> wrote:
> > According to me, you will see New Philips Standard ARM Products 
> based 
> > on ARM920T and ARM926EJS core, like ATMEL Family has already now.
> 
> 
> 
> ARM9 has already been announced (by Philips) for the automotive 
> family (2004/2005):
> http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/literature/9397/75012509
> .pdf

Hello Peter,

the short answer is, yes they are.

On page 23 of the Data sheet you can find limiting values 
http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/datasheets/LPC2104_2105_2106-04.pdf
Limiting values

In accordance with the Absolute Maximum Rating System (IEC 60134).
Symbol Parameter Conditions Min Max Unit
VDD1.8 Supply voltage, internal rail -0.5 +2.5 V
VDD3 Supply voltage, external rail -0.5 +3.6 V
Vi DC input voltage, 5 V tolerant I/O pins -0.5 6.0 V

You mentioned the limitation, the ports can not drive 5V but can
accept external 5V signals. You might want to limit the current with a
resistor though if your 5V source can deliver many mAs

Cheers, Bob

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Homann" <peter.homann@a...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to determine whether the I/O pins on the LPC2016 are 5V
tolerant

> when in input mode.
> 
> Can somebody point me in the right direction.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Peter Homann
> mailto:Peter.Homann@a...
> Adacel Technologies Limited,
> 250 Bay St, BRIGHTON, 3186, AUSTRALIA
> http://www.adacel.com <http://www.adacel.com>
> Telephone +61 (3) 8530 7777, Facsimile +61 (3) 9596 2960
> Mobile 0421-601 665

Hi Peter

They sure are. See data sheet - Static characteristics - Table 9 - 
Standard Port Pins, RST, RTCK and DBGSEL 0..5.5V, which are 
basically all pins apart from the 1.8V core voltage and the 
oscillator pins.

I am working with this chip using a mixture of 3.3V and 5V I/O and 
am also driving the serial ports and RST from 5V with no problems.

The only thing to respect is the little note in the data sheet 
("VDD3 supply voltages should be present") - so best not have 5V 
present if the power is removed from the LPC2016.


Cheers

Mark Butcher
www.mjbc.ch

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Homann" <peter.homann@a...> 
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to determine whether the I/O pins on the LPC2016 are 
5V tolerant

> when in input mode.
> 
> Can somebody point me in the right direction.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Peter Homann
> mailto:Peter.Homann@a...
> Adacel Technologies Limited,
> 250 Bay St, BRIGHTON, 3186, AUSTRALIA
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> Mobile 0421-601 665

> PS,PS: just curious - could you give a "Real-Worl" example
> of an appliction for an 8-pin ARM7, where a 8-bit MCU wouldn't do??

Neuro processor that can be connected to other ARM7 neuro processors using
fast and simple serial protocol (I call it NeuroBus) in order to achieve
neural networks with unlimited number of neurons - depends on how much money
you can invest in your neural network. There should be two separate serial
communication lines. First one to connect to previous layer of neurons and
second one to connect to next layer of neurons. If NeuroBus is implemented
in hardware then you might end up with some veeeerrrryyyy fast neural
networks based on ARM7 MCUs in 8-pin package. Quartz should be integrated
on-chip. There is no need for 3.3V since 1.8V might be enough for NeuroBus
serial IO lines. Having 256 bytes of integrated EEPROM could be good
solution for saving synaptic weights - otherwise power-down will erase
current neural network training. Etc...

I just hope that someone from Philips is actually reading this :))

Regards,
Igor

Hi Bob,

I'm aware of the different groups and target markets (different 
requirements). The flyer indicates ARM9 for 2004(end) and 2005. 
Although it might be a different group it indicates the direction. I 
can imagine that the LPC series will have something simular. 
And imho if you plan an ARM9 for end this year .. you better start 
developing yesterday :-)  Btw; 2020 samples are available since the 
end of last year - but very likely to key customers only (mass 
production in 2004/Q4).


--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "lpc2100_fan" <lpc2100_fan@y...> 
wrote:
> Rene,
> 
> the announcement is for the SJA 2020 which is an ARM7 product.
> Everything else on the flyer is a so called roadmap. Things that can
> be done if enough request is there from the market. Keep in mind 
that
> the LPC2000 microcontrollers and the SJA 2020 come from different
> groups within Philips, hence the very different naming. While the
> LPC2000 devices have been available to the "public" for quite a 
while
> now, I don't know about samples of the SJA 2020 yet. Most likely 
there
> are samples for key automotive customers because the SJA2020 has 
been
> developed by the Automotive group. The LPC2000 family is from the
> "General Purpose Microcontroller" group and target markets are many
> because it is general purpose.
> 
> Cheers, Bob
> 
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "exh_rene" <exh_rene@y...> wrote:
> > --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "trick260173" <trick260173@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > According to me, you will see New Philips Standard ARM Products 
> > based 
> > > on ARM920T and ARM926EJS core, like ATMEL Family has already 
now.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ARM9 has already been announced (by Philips) for the automotive 
> > family (2004/2005):
> > 
http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/literature/9397/75012509
> > .pdf

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "exh_rene" <exh_rene@y...> wrote:
> Hi Bob,
> 
> I'm aware of the different groups and target markets (different 
> requirements). The flyer indicates ARM9 for 2004(end) and 2005. 
> Although it might be a different group it indicates the direction. 
I 
> can imagine that the LPC series will have something simular. 
> And imho if you plan an ARM9 for end this year .. you better start 
> developing yesterday :-)  Btw; 2020 samples are available since the 
> end of last year - but very likely to key customers only (mass 
> production in 2004/Q4).
> 
> 
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "lpc2100_fan" <lpc2100_fan@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Rene,
> > 
> > the announcement is for the SJA 2020 which is an ARM7 product.
> > Everything else on the flyer is a so called roadmap. Things that 
can
> > be done if enough request is there from the market. Keep in mind 
> that
> > the LPC2000 microcontrollers and the SJA 2020 come from different
> > groups within Philips, hence the very different naming. While the
> > LPC2000 devices have been available to the "public" for quite a 
> while
> > now, I don't know about samples of the SJA 2020 yet. Most likely 
> there
> > are samples for key automotive customers because the SJA2020 has 
> been
> > developed by the Automotive group. The LPC2000 family is from the
> > "General Purpose Microcontroller" group and target markets are 
many
> > because it is general purpose.
> > 
> > Cheers, Bob
> > 
> > --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "exh_rene" <exh_rene@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "trick260173" 
<trick260173@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > According to me, you will see New Philips Standard ARM 
Products 
> > > based 
> > > > on ARM920T and ARM926EJS core, like ATMEL Family has already 
> now.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ARM9 has already been announced (by Philips) for the automotive 
> > > family (2004/2005):
> > > 
> 
http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/literature/9397/75012509
> > > .pdf

I was talking about STANDARD ARM9 Products ONLY, like the AT91RM9200 
from ATMEL. It is not the same than an ARM9 for Automotive. Several
companies have a product with ARM7/9, but most of them are ASSP.

Greetings.

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "trick260173" <trick260173@y...

> I was talking about STANDARD ARM9 Products ONLY, like the 
AT91RM9200 
> from ATMEL. It is not the same than an ARM9 for Automotive. Several
> companies have a product with ARM7/9, but most of them are ASSP.

Yep - that was clear.  Although the automotive product might be an 
ASSP, this market is very cost sensitive and demanding. So the step 
for an ARM9 towards standard LPC products might be not that far away 
That's why I refered to this product (which looks much like a 
standard product ;-) ).