Lpc2000

Are any of the competing ARM-based processors such as the Atmel SAM7 
or ST Micro processor available yet?  And is the LPC2138 going to be 
in the supply chain any time soon?
James

Hi James,

good question. Atmel has been announcing the SAM7 in Q1/04, as far as
I know they made it all the way to samples yet but not to volume
production. ST was not as agressive announcing the STR7 mostly when
their sales or FAEs did presentations, only resently more open in
adds. Do they have samples? I would guess so but I am not sure.
Philips announced the LPC2138 in in November (2004) and there were
samples available in Nov as well. Given the track record of Philips
with their ARM devices, volume prodcution will not be tomorrow but
most likely enough devices to do prototypes and some evaluation boards
will be available in Q1. It just seems, that ST and Atmel are still in
the catch up mode and had to announce a little prematurely to not give
the whole new ARM7 small microcontroller market to Philips. No doubt
that Atmel and ST will be there eventually but for now availability
from Philips seems best. 

Cheers, Bob

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "jamesasteres" <jamesasteres@y...> wrote:

> 
> Are any of the competing ARM-based processors such as the Atmel SAM7 
> or ST Micro processor available yet?  And is the LPC2138 going to be 
> in the supply chain any time soon?
> James

Hi Bob,

	You can pick up to 2K units from any Arrow representative today of
the LPC2138!


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-----Original Message-----
From: lpc2100_fan [mailto:lpc2100_fan@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:10 PM
To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lpc2000] Re: New ARM processors available?




Hi James,

good question. Atmel has been announcing the SAM7 in Q1/04, as far as I know
they made it all the way to samples yet but not to volume production. ST was
not as agressive announcing the STR7 mostly when their sales or FAEs did
presentations, only resently more open in adds. Do they have samples? I
would guess so but I am not sure. Philips announced the LPC2138 in in
November (2004) and there were samples available in Nov as well. Given the
track record of Philips with their ARM devices, volume prodcution will not
be tomorrow but most likely enough devices to do prototypes and some
evaluation boards will be available in Q1. It just seems, that ST and Atmel
are still in the catch up mode and had to announce a little prematurely to
not give the whole new ARM7 small microcontroller market to Philips. No
doubt that Atmel and ST will be there eventually but for now availability
from Philips seems best. 

Cheers, Bob

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "jamesasteres" <jamesasteres@y...> wrote:
> 
> Are any of the competing ARM-based processors such as the Atmel SAM7
> or ST Micro processor available yet?  And is the LPC2138 going to be 
> in the supply chain any time soon?
> James






 
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At 05:25 PM 12/28/04 +0000, you wrote:
>Are any of the competing ARM-based processors such as the Atmel SAM7
>or ST Micro processor available yet?  And is the LPC2138 going to be
>in the supply chain any time soon?

Digikey is showing some of the Analog Devices micros with about a four week 
lead time.

I did get a sample of the 2138 today.  Now I need to modify a PCB for it :)

Robert



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Hi James,

	I have not checked the others out in about 3 weeks, but the Phillips
is already released and available. Pricing is in the $8.00 per processor in
1pc qty.


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-----Original Message-----
From: jamesasteres [mailto:jamesasteres@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:26 PM
To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lpc2000] New ARM processors available?




Are any of the competing ARM-based processors such as the Atmel SAM7 
or ST Micro processor available yet?  And is the LPC2138 going to be 
in the supply chain any time soon?
James







 
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--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, Robert Adsett <subscriptions@a...> 
wrote:
> At 05:25 PM 12/28/04 +0000, you wrote:
> >Are any of the competing ARM-based processors such as the Atmel 
SAM7
> >or ST Micro processor available yet?  And is the LPC2138 going to 
be
> >in the supply chain any time soon?
> 
> Digikey is showing some of the Analog Devices micros with about a 
four week 
> lead time.
> 
> I did get a sample of the 2138 today.  Now I need to modify a PCB 
for it :)

We have some LPC2132 samples and have just modified a board so it 
should work with both LPC2114 and LPC2132.  I want to test the 
samples, but it is too risky to count on production quantities of 
2132 in January...

Pin 17,49,63 are interesting.  When using 2114, they are 
V18,V18,V18A, and are jumped to a 1.8V LDO.  When using 2132, they 
are P0.31,Vbat,Vref, and are jumped to the 3.3V LDO.  We'll also try 
it without a reset chip and only a pullup resistor on /RESET.

There are some additional GPIO changes such as the RTXC1,2 pins, the 
extra I2C port which cannot actively pull up, and the extra analog 
inputs which aren't 5V tolerant (philips_apps: is this still true in 
LPC213x?).  There seems to be no software differences necessary at 
all (but there would if we used IAP).  We'll test the new board after 
New Year.

Karl Olsen

Per previous email suggestion, I called Arrow Electronics and was 
able to order a few LPC2138FBD. They weren't listed on Arrow's web 
site. Arrow doesn't have any documentation - I only see a preliminary 
data sheet on Philip's web site. If anyone has got their hands on a 
manual please post where you found it.

thanks, Tom


--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Karl Olsen" <kro@p...> wrote:
> 
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, Robert Adsett <subscriptions@a...> 
> wrote:
> > At 05:25 PM 12/28/04 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Are any of the competing ARM-based processors such as the Atmel 
> SAM7
> > >or ST Micro processor available yet?  And is the LPC2138 going 
to 
> be
> > >in the supply chain any time soon?

Hi Tom,

	Check this user groups website for the prelim. User manual.


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From: tkreyche [mailto:tkreyche@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 5:32 PM
To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lpc2000] Re: New ARM processors available?




Per previous email suggestion, I called Arrow Electronics and was 
able to order a few LPC2138FBD. They weren't listed on Arrow's web 
site. Arrow doesn't have any documentation - I only see a preliminary 
data sheet on Philip's web site. If anyone has got their hands on a 
manual please post where you found it.

thanks, Tom


--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Karl Olsen" <kro@p...> wrote:
> 
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, Robert Adsett <subscriptions@a...>
> wrote:
> > At 05:25 PM 12/28/04 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Are any of the competing ARM-based processors such as the Atmel
> SAM7
> > >or ST Micro processor available yet?  And is the LPC2138 going
to 
> be
> > >in the supply chain any time soon?






 
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I generally try not to complain about top-posting and failing to trim, 
but when you also include a 33 line signature which among other things 
claims that the message contains confidential data and that your company 
has the copyright to ALL CODE (!), I think that's taking it a step or 
two too far.

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Dear Mr. Holden,

	I apologize that you found the appended email message offensive. I
am monitoring the group all day long via the companies email server and the
message is automatically appended to all out going emails. If this is going
to be a problem for the group, I will monitor only and not respond.

Charles


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-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Holden [mailto:alex@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 6:02 PM
To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: New ARM processors available?



Charles R. Grenz wrote:
[snip]
> The message contains confidential and/or legally
> privileged information and is intended for use by the 
> indicated addressee.
[snip]
> All code is C by Simple Step L.L.C.

I generally try not to complain about top-posting and failing to trim, 
but when you also include a 33 line signature which among other things 
claims that the message contains confidential data and that your company 
has the copyright to ALL CODE (!), I think that's taking it a step or 
two too far.

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Hi 

I will stick with Philips ARM. They release datasheet and User Manual
and within 3 weeks I got samples for LPC2132 and LPC2138. And now you
can order production quantity.

I have also looked at ST and Atmel. But Atmel have a very bad reputation
of announcing devices month and years before actual having it.
When SAM7 series was announced I order samples, I am still waiting.
Next year Philips will have LPC214x which is LPC213x + USB.
My bid is that LPC214x will be in production quantities before Atmel
AT91SAM7S64. Anyone wanna bet ?? :)

John Noergaard

Charles R. Grenz wrote:
> 	I apologize that you found the appended email message offensive. I
> am monitoring the group all day long via the companies email server and the
> message is automatically appended to all out going emails. If this is going
> to be a problem for the group, I will monitor only and not respond.

Hi Charles, no need to go away. I was being a little tongue in cheek 
when I poked fun at your company's lengthy disclaimer with the claim 
that they own the copyright on all code. I guess they meant to write 
something along the lines of 'any code which we wrote and included in 
this message is copyright to us.' If you have no way to apply a 
clue-stick to your management to get the disclaimer removed, could you 
at least consider replying inline and trimming the quoted text? That way 
we wouldn't have to scroll past the signature/disclaimer to figure out 
what statement you're replying to.

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If it doesn't work, you're not hitting it with a big enough hammer

At 02:30 AM 12/29/2004, Alex Holden wrote:


>Charles R. Grenz wrote:
> >       I apologize that you found the appended email message offensive. I
> > am monitoring the group all day long via the companies email server and the
> > message is automatically appended to all out going emails. If this is going
> > to be a problem for the group, I will monitor only and not respond.
>
>Hi Charles, no need to go away. I was being a little tongue in cheek
>when I poked fun at your company's lengthy disclaimer with the claim
>that they own the copyright on all code. I guess they meant to write
>something along the lines of 'any code which we wrote and included in
>this message is copyright to us.' If you have no way to apply a
>clue-stick to your management to get the disclaimer removed, could you
>at least consider replying inline and trimming the quoted text? That way
>we wouldn't have to scroll past the signature/disclaimer to figure out
>what statement you're replying to.

Or possibly get a Yahoo account or something.

// richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please 
use richard at imagecraft.com)

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "johnnorgaard2003" <john_2005@c...>
wrote:
> 
> Hi 
> 
> I will stick with Philips ARM. They release datasheet and User
Manual
> and within 3 weeks I got samples for LPC2132 and LPC2138. And now
you
> can order production quantity.
> 
> I have also looked at ST and Atmel. But Atmel have a very bad
reputation
> of announcing devices month and years before actual having it.
> When SAM7 series was announced I order samples, I am still waiting.
> Next year Philips will have LPC214x which is LPC213x + USB.
> My bid is that LPC214x will be in production quantities before Atmel
> AT91SAM7S64. Anyone wanna bet ?? :)

You should have been there when Philips orignially announced the
LPC2xxx parts.  It was literally a year before anyone saw silicon and
they would not ship samples for several months after they said samples
were available.  I was working closely with my local rep to get info,
not parts, just info, and it was very slow coming.  Then just about
the time they actually had a data sheet available and I wanted to get
samples, they dropped all third party reps and I was back to square
one with the Philips sales guy.  I never did get my samples.

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Charles R. Grenz"
<charles.grenz@s...> wrote:
> Dear Mr. Holden,
> 
> 	I apologize that you found the appended email message offensive. I
> am monitoring the group all day long via the companies email server
and the
> message is automatically appended to all out going emails. If this
is going
> to be a problem for the group, I will monitor only and not respond.

I know you can't do anything about your company, but this sort of
attachment to an email is meaningless.  If an email is sent to the
wrong recipient and they decide to post all the info to their web site
for all the world to see, there is nothing your company can do about
it but stomp their feet.  By sending it to the wrong recipient they
failed to protect the information and no disclaimers inside the email
can undo that.  

BTW, you don't have to use email to respond.  You can go to the group
and post via the web page.  That is what I am doing.

Hi, I was able to talk with the IT guys and they temporary stripped off the
appending email and disclosure info!

I heard via the grape vine about a year ago that the reason why Phillips was
pushing so hard to move over to the ARM7 was that they where going to drop
the XA product line as soon as they had enough ARM7 derivatives out. Just
what I heard. Considering that and that we use the XA in our current product
line, we decided to move over to the ARM7 now instead of waiting.

Charles G.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Collins [mailto:OKI-ARM-mcus@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:01 AM
To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lpc2000] Re: New ARM processors available?




--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "johnnorgaard2003" <john_2005@c...>
wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I will stick with Philips ARM. They release datasheet and User
Manual
> and within 3 weeks I got samples for LPC2132 and LPC2138. And now
you
> can order production quantity.
> 
> I have also looked at ST and Atmel. But Atmel have a very bad
reputation
> of announcing devices month and years before actual having it. When 
> SAM7 series was announced I order samples, I am still waiting. Next 
> year Philips will have LPC214x which is LPC213x + USB. My bid is that 
> LPC214x will be in production quantities before Atmel AT91SAM7S64. 
> Anyone wanna bet ?? :)

You should have been there when Philips orignially announced the LPC2xxx
parts.  It was literally a year before anyone saw silicon and they would not
ship samples for several months after they said samples were available.  I
was working closely with my local rep to get info, not parts, just info, and
it was very slow coming.  Then just about the time they actually had a data
sheet available and I wanted to get samples, they dropped all third party
reps and I was back to square one with the Philips sales guy.  I never did
get my samples.  






 
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Rick,

I was there when when Philips announced the LPC2106 officially in
summer 2003 and it did take approx 4 months to find everything from
documentation to evaluation boards which became available in November
2003 first from IAR and shortly thereafter in Jan / Feb timeframe
already from Keil with the LPC2129, right at the time when that device
was announced together with I think 6 others early 2004. 
There was a painful time end of 2003 / beginning of 2004 when Philips
switched from local sales reps to Philips sales in the US. Our local
rep was pretty good and it took a little for the new guy to get up to
speed. Now here is where I totally disagree. The official announcement
from Philips for the LPC2106 was in summer 2003 and by November we
could buy evaluation boards of the shelf. This is better than just
samples. 

It is OK to be a fan of OKI-ARM CPUs as your e-mail says, but it is
not OK to change facts of the past. I don't say that Philips did
everything right BUT they did the best job of all seminconductor
vendors in bringing ARM microcontrollers to the market.

Bob 

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Collins" <OKI-ARM-mcus@a...> wrote:

> 
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "johnnorgaard2003" <john_2005@c...>
> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi 
> > 
> > I will stick with Philips ARM. They release datasheet and User
> Manual
> > and within 3 weeks I got samples for LPC2132 and LPC2138. And now
> you
> > can order production quantity.
> > 
> > I have also looked at ST and Atmel. But Atmel have a very bad
> reputation
> > of announcing devices month and years before actual having it.
> > When SAM7 series was announced I order samples, I am still waiting.
> > Next year Philips will have LPC214x which is LPC213x + USB.
> > My bid is that LPC214x will be in production quantities before Atmel
> > AT91SAM7S64. Anyone wanna bet ?? :)
> 
> You should have been there when Philips orignially announced the
> LPC2xxx parts.  It was literally a year before anyone saw silicon and
> they would not ship samples for several months after they said samples
> were available.  I was working closely with my local rep to get info,
> not parts, just info, and it was very slow coming.  Then just about
> the time they actually had a data sheet available and I wanted to get
> samples, they dropped all third party reps and I was back to square
> one with the Philips sales guy.  I never did get my samples.

Bob, 

I recall we acquired our first '2106 development board (from Ashling) in
September/October 2003 timeframe and '2106 samples not long after.  So I
concur with your timeframe.

Curt

-----Original Message-----
From: lpc2100_fan [mailto:lpc2100_fan@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:27 AM
To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lpc2000] Re: New ARM processors available?



Rick,

I was there when when Philips announced the LPC2106 officially in summer
2003 and it did take approx 4 months to find everything from documentation
to evaluation boards which became available in November
2003 first from IAR and shortly thereafter in Jan / Feb timeframe already
from Keil with the LPC2129, right at the time when that device was announced
together with I think 6 others early 2004. 
There was a painful time end of 2003 / beginning of 2004 when Philips
switched from local sales reps to Philips sales in the US. Our local rep was
pretty good and it took a little for the new guy to get up to speed. Now
here is where I totally disagree. The official announcement from Philips for
the LPC2106 was in summer 2003 and by November we could buy evaluation
boards of the shelf. This is better than just samples. 

It is OK to be a fan of OKI-ARM CPUs as your e-mail says, but it is not OK
to change facts of the past. I don't say that Philips did everything right
BUT they did the best job of all seminconductor vendors in bringing ARM
microcontrollers to the market.

Bob 

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Collins" <OKI-ARM-mcus@a...> wrote:
> 
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "johnnorgaard2003" <john_2005@c...>
> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi
> > 
> > I will stick with Philips ARM. They release datasheet and User
> Manual
> > and within 3 weeks I got samples for LPC2132 and LPC2138. And now
> you
> > can order production quantity.
> > 
> > I have also looked at ST and Atmel. But Atmel have a very bad
> reputation
> > of announcing devices month and years before actual having it.
> > When SAM7 series was announced I order samples, I am still waiting.
> > Next year Philips will have LPC214x which is LPC213x + USB.
> > My bid is that LPC214x will be in production quantities before Atmel 
> > AT91SAM7S64. Anyone wanna bet ?? :)
> 
> You should have been there when Philips orignially announced the 
> LPC2xxx parts.  It was literally a year before anyone saw silicon and 
> they would not ship samples for several months after they said samples 
> were available.  I was working closely with my local rep to get info, 
> not parts, just info, and it was very slow coming.  Then just about 
> the time they actually had a data sheet available and I wanted to get 
> samples, they dropped all third party reps and I was back to square 
> one with the Philips sales guy.  I never did get my samples.





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At 11:15 AM 12/29/04 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi, I was able to talk with the IT guys and they temporary stripped off the
>appending email and disclosure info!

Good for them.  BTW could you stop putting a high priority flag on your 
messages?

>I heard via the grape vine about a year ago that the reason why Phillips was
>pushing so hard to move over to the ARM7 was that they where going to drop
>the XA product line as soon as they had enough ARM7 derivatives out. Just
>what I heard. Considering that and that we use the XA in our current product
>line, we decided to move over to the ARM7 now instead of waiting.

I'm making a similar move from the Intel 80C196 family.  Intel has done 
nothing with the line other than drop variants for a decade.  It seems 
foolhardy to depend on its continued existence :)

Robert

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be they legal, genetic, or physical.  If you don't believe me, try to
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--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "lpc2100_fan" <lpc2100_fan@y...>
wrote:
> 
> Rick,
> 
> I was there when when Philips announced the LPC2106 officially in
> summer 2003 and it did take approx 4 months to find everything from
> documentation to evaluation boards which became available in
November
> 2003 first from IAR and shortly thereafter in Jan / Feb timeframe
> already from Keil with the LPC2129, right at the time when that
device
> was announced together with I think 6 others early 2004. 
> There was a painful time end of 2003 / beginning of 2004 when
Philips
> switched from local sales reps to Philips sales in the US. Our local
> rep was pretty good and it took a little for the new guy to get up
to
> speed. Now here is where I totally disagree. The official
announcement
> from Philips for the LPC2106 was in summer 2003 and by November we
> could buy evaluation boards of the shelf. This is better than just
> samples. 
> 
> It is OK to be a fan of OKI-ARM CPUs as your e-mail says, but it is
> not OK to change facts of the past. I don't say that Philips did
> everything right BUT they did the best job of all seminconductor
> vendors in bringing ARM microcontrollers to the market.

My email address is just because at one point I was considering using
the OKI part and started a Yahoo group to attract other developers.  I
did not end up using the part and I don't feel it is important enough
to change the email address of all my Yahoo group memberships.  

As to the facts, I was told about the ARM parts in early 2003 and
found a press release on the Philips web site.  I don't know what you
are calling the "official" announcement, but I would say a press
release would do the job.  I am not saying that they were promising
parts, I am just saying that they announced that they would be making
the parts about a year before they had anything to show.  Even at the
time that they dropped my local rep, they had just started taking
sample orders.  

I am not trying to knock Philips.  I would like to use their parts at
some point.  I am just pointing out that they had a painful intro of
the initial parts.  

Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the lack of parts in the leadless
packages.  Some of the documentation indicated these would be
available and others did not mention it.  When I finally tracked this
down with an FAE it seems that the earlier parts just would not fit in
the small packages.  Did they ever come out with these?  Or are all
the packages still leaded?

Rick Collins wrote:

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>Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the lack of parts in the leadless
>packages.  Some of the documentation indicated these would be
>available and others did not mention it.  When I finally tracked this
>down with an FAE it seems that the earlier parts just would not fit in
>the small packages.  Did they ever come out with these?  Or are all
>the packages still leaded?  
>  
>

They made the '2106 in the leadless package and were giving them away as 
samples (I've got a couple someone gave me).

Leon


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> I heard via the grape vine about a year ago that the reason why Phillips was
> pushing so hard to move over to the ARM7 was that they where going to drop
> the XA product line as soon as they had enough ARM7 derivatives out. Just
> what I heard. Considering that and that we use the XA in our current product
> line, we decided to move over to the ARM7 now instead of waiting.

Hi Charles et al,

I fully concur here. I vividly recall XA's RTP.
The first databook stated :
" we will produce 6 -7 derivatives / year ".

4 Years later there was still hardly a reason to call it a "family".
As of today there's still bugger-all else on XA.
When it came out I immediately bought the HItech-C XA compiler.
(Shame because XA was great, especially its ability to handle an OS
pretty much like 68K does with its register model)
Not to mention the burst access by shifting the lower 4 bits A0-A3 wrt ALE)

I was considring bying an Ashling emulator for it.
Thank Christ I didn't !!

And I also agree with the comments about SAM7S64 vs. LPC2K.
Cos' Atmel stuffed up in the past doesn't mean they will now too with SAM7,
but yes, it is a risk, and I think Philips LPC2K has shown they can deliver this time.

When LPC2K was released I had great initial scepticism, given the trackrecord
of XA, AND Philips Australia's sheer arrogance.

I've had times where I wanted to use SMT parts for designs with GUARANTEED
min. 100 K uptake UPFRONT - and they wouldn't even get me a couple of SMT
sample equivalents of BF199. (RF designs).

Anyway, ended up designing it in, and Philips got the biz.
( circa 1995).

-- Kris

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> good question. Atmel has been announcing the SAM7 in Q1/04, as far
as
> I know they made it all the way to samples yet but not to volume
> production.

I attended a meeting with some Atmel reps a couple of months ago about
SAM7, and one of them made an off-the-cuff remark about introduction
being delayed due to some changes Microsoft wanted.  I believe he then
said those changes were about completed.  At the time I remember
thinking he might have thrown out Microsoft to impress us or
something, so didn't bother following up.  But that certainly could
account for the more recent delays.  I haven't been following the SAM7
very long so don't know if any specifications have changed (I assume
they would modify their documentation at some point if there were
functional changes).

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "fishbulb2" <jfeller@y...> wrote:
> I attended a meeting with some Atmel reps a couple of months ago 
about
> SAM7, and one of them made an off-the-cuff remark about introduction
> being delayed due to some changes Microsoft wanted.  I believe he 
then

never heard something more funny, yet another blame to Microsoft 
without reason

What would Microsoft do with SAM7? microcontroller without MMU? Port 
Windows in 32K maybe :)))
You must misunderstood something...
According to Atmel source (SAM7 marketing mgr) the SAM7A2 are in full 
production and can be ordered now, SAM7S64 will be in full production 
in May 2005

Best regards
Tsvetan
---
PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb 
(http://www.olimex.com/pcb)
PCB any volume assembly (http://www.olimex.com/pcb/protoa.html)
Development boards for ARM, AVR, PIC, and MSP430  
(http://www.olimex.com/dev)

Tsvetan,
    MS makes many products that are not PC based and that use 
microcontrollers.

Richard

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "tsvetanusunov" <tusunov@m...> wrote:
> 
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "fishbulb2" <jfeller@y...> wrote:
> > I attended a meeting with some Atmel reps a couple of months ago 
> about
> > SAM7, and one of them made an off-the-cuff remark about 
introduction
> > being delayed due to some changes Microsoft wanted.  I believe 
he 
> then
> 
> never heard something more funny, yet another blame to Microsoft 
> without reason
> 
> What would Microsoft do with SAM7? microcontroller without MMU? 
Port 
> Windows in 32K maybe :)))
> You must misunderstood something...
> According to Atmel source (SAM7 marketing mgr) the SAM7A2 are in 
full 
> production and can be ordered now, SAM7S64 will be in full 
production 

> in May 2005
> 
> Best regards
> Tsvetan
> ---
> PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb 
> (http://www.olimex.com/pcb)
> PCB any volume assembly (http://www.olimex.com/pcb/protoa.html)
> Development boards for ARM, AVR, PIC, and MSP430  
> (http://www.olimex.com/dev)

>     MS makes many products that are not PC based and that use 
> microcontrollers.

Sorry, I assumed this was a well-known fact.  That's why I didn't
necessarily doubt the reps' statement, just thought he was trying to
impress us with a Microsoft reference.  Kinda wish I would have asked
what exactly MS wanted changed, but it wasn't important at the time.

Last summer I interviewed with a small consulting company that had
gotten a contract with MS to prototype a little hardware gizmo (some
sort of add-on for laptops).  They were pretty much left alone to
implement it as they wished, but MS did tell them up-front to not even
try using WinCE for cost and schedule reasons.  The place ended up
using an ARM7 (not sure of the actual part) with no OS.  That project
looked really fun, but it was wrapping up when I talked to them.  It
sounded like MS was actually great to work with.  Now that's probably
not a well-known fact ;)