MOTM

What's the approx. cost of a custom one off schaefer panel + 
silkscreening?

For example, a 2U panel for 6 knobs, 6 jacks.  Just looking for a 
ballpark price.  $20?  $60?  $100?

What type of turnaround time could someone expect?  2 weeks?  2 
months?

Thanks,

John

John,

> What's the approx. cost of a custom one off schaefer panel + 
> silkscreening?
> 
> For example, a 2U panel for 6 knobs, 6 jacks.  Just looking for a 
> ballpark price.  $20?  $60?  $100?

Currently I have 3 panels on order from Schaeffer, and price quotes from
Kai Schaeffer are (rounded) [recalling from memory]:
Oakley multiladder, 2U motm dimensions, 7 knobs, 10 sockets:47 dm (about
$20  usd)
Blacet eg1, 2U, 6 knobs, 9 sockets, 2 leds, one pushbutton, one
switch:46 dm (about $20 usd)
Oakley 410,1U, 3 knobs, 8 sockets: 30 dm

If you would like, I can let you know what the actual costs are when I
receive the bill.

These, of course, do not have the detail that the motm (or Hendry/Bradley)
panels have, principally no tick marks around the knobs.  Panel black
paint is not 'raised' as on the motm panels. Panels look reasonably well 
with a variety of other panels, but of course, will visually be different 
placed beside other "true to motm" panels. Panel edges are not painted,
but are not noticable when the panel is between other panels.  I prefer
the motm panels from Paul S. or Hendry/Bradley, but the Schaeffer
panels are well done (admittedly this is based on one panel that I have
from Schaeffer) and a lot nicer (and more functional, e.g., socket labels)
than the bare panels that I currently have for some diy modules.

> 
> What type of turnaround time could someone expect?  2 weeks?  2 
> months?
Shipping for the above 3 panels is quoted as about 55dm ($26).  I've only
had one previous panel done by Schaeffer - from the time I sent the .fpd
file to receiving the panel it was about 3.5 weeks (I live in Kansas USA).
It was a 1U custom panel (with 2 Oakley little lfo's on it) - panel was
nicely done with everything correctly done according to the .fpd file that
I sent them.

HOpe this helps a bit, Jeff

Thanks for your response, Jeff.  Yes, helps a lot.  The prices seem 
fairly reasonable.

Is there a reason the Schaeffer panels don't have tick marks around 
the knobs?  I noticed this on the Oakley website and figured someone 
left them off on purpose. I assumed you could just add them through 
the Schaeffer front panel designer app.  Is this just a matter of 
preference/cost or does Schaeffer not offer this?

How about the paint?  Does Schaeffer not offer the powder paint as 
used on the MOTM modules?  Again, is this just a matter of 
preference/cost?

Thanks,

John

You can add tick marks to the Schaeffer panels, but it costs extra.  As I
recall they charge you per line segment, so it can quickly add 20-50% to the
panel cost.

The possibility of custom Stooge MOTM panels for DIYers was mentioned some
time ago.  However, unless you make several of the same panel the cost would
be prohibitive.  I think the onetime setup fee was around $80-$100.  Best
thing to do would be to design a really nice circuit that the rest of us
would want to build on one of Paul's DIY boards so you could get more panels
in the order. :-)

John Loffink
microtonal@...


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From: <jpotter2@...>
To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 1:34 PM
Subject: [motm] Re: Panels - Approx. Price


> Thanks for your response, Jeff.  Yes, helps a lot.  The prices seem
> fairly reasonable.
>
> Is there a reason the Schaeffer panels don't have tick marks around
> the knobs?  I noticed this on the Oakley website and figured someone
> left them off on purpose. I assumed you could just add them through
> the Schaeffer front panel designer app.  Is this just a matter of
> preference/cost or does Schaeffer not offer this?
>
> How about the paint?  Does Schaeffer not offer the powder paint as
> used on the MOTM modules?  Again, is this just a matter of
> preference/cost?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

MOTM panels are NOT powder paint.  The brackets and rails are.  However,
powder coat textures do not come even close to the appearance of MOTM
panels.  To match the MOTM finish, you must use a wet paint.  As Paul has
pointed out before it is a Sherwin Williams paint called Polane.  To offer
you a few more details, it is Polate-T.  It requires the use of a catalyst
and reducer.  SW recommends a primer.  It requires a catalyst / reducer
(different of course).  So, for one gallon of paint coverage, be prepared
for just a tad over $200.

However, I have to applaud Paul's choice.  That is the toughest paint I have
ever seen for metal.

Larry Hendry

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From: <jpotter2@...>
To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 1:34 PM
Subject: [motm] Re: Panels - Approx. Price


Thanks for your response, Jeff.  Yes, helps a lot.  The prices seem
fairly reasonable.

Is there a reason the Schaeffer panels don't have tick marks around
the knobs?  I noticed this on the Oakley website and figured someone
left them off on purpose. I assumed you could just add them through
the Schaeffer front panel designer app.  Is this just a matter of
preference/cost or does Schaeffer not offer this?

How about the paint?  Does Schaeffer not offer the powder paint as
used on the MOTM modules?  Again, is this just a matter of
preference/cost?

Thanks,

John




Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

> You can add tick marks to the Schaeffer panels, but it costs extra.  As I
> recall they charge you per line segment, so it can quickly add 20-50% to
the
> panel cost.


I have created front panels where it would add 200% to the panel cost. (;->)

But - it's all just a question of negotiation. I'm normally filling my
panels
with tick marks and numbers and graphics made from "I" letters in various
sizes, ignore the automatically calculated price, and ask Mr. Schaeffer for
a manually calculated offer.

Take a look at http://home.debitel.net/user/jhaible/jh_storm_tide_front.gif
.
It's a screen shot of Frontplattendesigner (just the knobs and buttons are
colorated afterwards). The long lines are all "I"s from the standard font.
I don't have the invoice right here, but I think it was below 100 Dollars.

JH.