MOTM

>As far as the electrical design is concerned, if you are keeping the bypass
>switch, a 9th knob for MAKE-UP GAIN should then be added as well.
>Otherwise, there is no point in having a bypass switch because making
>comparisons without matching the levels is impossible!!  Look at any EQ
>with a bypass switch.  If it's going to have a bypass feature, it needs a
>pot for make-up gain.  Having one without the other looks retarded.

You don't really need a pot for makeup gain, because you can do this
with the 10 existing pots already. (All 10 pots up can be more than unity gain,
and as I said before, all pots at 7 is the same sound as all pots at 8, just
the level is different. (I see that an extra gain knob, though redundant,
would further simplify A/B switching, but that's a bit of an overkill IMO.)


>I realize that motm is not intended as meat and potatoes gear.  Yet,
>equalizers with a unique sound often become desirable, even legendary,
>pieces of recording equipment.  I've never seen a Moog used that way, but
>that doesn't mean it's never been done.  Perhaps the Moog was too noisy.
>Thirty years ago, most solid state did not sound good.  Considering what it
>takes to rackmount many popular board modules, mounting two synth modules
>sideways and finding a +/-15 supply is nothing.

This MOTM module will be a circuit which I have first built for myself, and
the funny thing is that I actually put my version into a 19" 1U enclosure
to use it with either MOTM or in another rack with other gear. Maybe
that's why I told Paul that a Bypass switch is crucial, and maybe it's in there
for just that reason. I just like to hear the difference (and it was usefull
to for creating the demo sounds, too. (;->) )
But yes, the Moog original is without Bypass switch, too. So obviously one
can live without it. And I like the idea of running direct signal and filtered
signal to a mixer, or to the VC crossfade VCA, whatever. Just keep in mind
that if the module has no bypass switch, and if you want to patch a bypass
configuration, this would mean considerable extra effort.

JH.

At 3:35 PM +0000 04/15/02, jhaible@... wrote:
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>You don't really need a pot for makeup gain, because you can do this
>with the 10 existing pots already. (All 10 pots up can be more than unity
>>gain, and as I said before, all pots at 7 is the same sound as all pots
>at >8, just the level is different. (I see that an extra gain knob, though
>>redundant, would further simplify A/B switching, but that's a bit of an
>>overkill IMO.)

A gain knob is not at all redundant because depending on the knob settings
and source material the unit cannot always be set for unity gain without
such a knob.  An obvious example is any setting that has one knob all the
way up and another knob all the way down.  Regardless, even when it is
possible, having to reset ten pots just to match the gain is a huge pain.

I can't think of a single graphic EQ that doesn't have one.  Is adding a
gain knob to this design that difficult??  The panel space seems there.

>This MOTM module will be a circuit which I have first built for myself, and
>the funny thing is that I actually put my version into a 19" 1U enclosure
>to use it with either MOTM or in another rack with other gear. Maybe
>that's why I told Paul that a Bypass switch is crucial, and maybe it's in
>>there for just that reason. I just like to hear the difference (and it
>was >usefull to for creating the demo sounds, too. (;->) )

OK :)

>But yes, the Moog original is without Bypass switch, too. So obviously one
>can live without it. And I like the idea of running direct signal and
>>filtered signal to a mixer, or to the VC crossfade VCA, whatever. Just
>keep >in mind that if the module has no bypass switch, and if you want to
>patch a >bypass configuration, this would mean considerable extra effort.

It doesn't seem like it would be that much of an effort, but if the unit
doesn't have a gain knob, doing that would require an extra board channel.

I say if it can't be 2U without a bypass switch, then it should be 3U with
a bypass switch and a gain knob.  Otherwise it's like a hot dog with no
mustard, and who the @$#%* wants that?? :)

A filter bank without a bypass switch is like a hot dog with rice 
pudding.  Who would want that?

On the very rare occasion when I want to compare a sound to itself 
and not against other timbres, I use a mult.

--- In motm@y..., media.nai@r... wrote:
...  
> Otherwise it's like a hot dog with no
> mustard, and who the @$#%* wants that?? :)

At 3:10 PM +0000 04/16/02, mmarsh100 wrote:
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>A filter bank without a bypass switch is like a hot dog with rice
>pudding.  Who would want that?
>
>On the very rare occasion when I want to compare a sound to itself
>and not against other timbres, I use a mult.

If it has a bypass switch then it needs a gain control.

If it doesn't have a bypass switch then it doesn't need a gain control.

It's ridiculous to have one without the other.  No one does that.


Since Moe claims 10 knobs and 2 jacks won't fit in 2U, perhaps they should
average out a band so it will fit in 2U.

>--- In motm@y..., media.nai@r... wrote:
>...
>> Otherwise it's like a hot dog with no
>> mustard, and who the @$#%* wants that?? :)