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OT: Soldering Question

2002-06-11 by Scott Evans, Gen Mgr

Hello all!

I have just started my first PCB project with the Kester organic water
soluble solder. Having been used to rosin core solder for 35 years or
so, I am finding it a bit difficult to determine the proper technique
for this stuff. I have the soldering iron set to about 700 Fahrenheit,
as I was used to production line work when working as a technician. The
solder does not seem to "flow" as well as the rosin core solder. Can I
achieve better results with a lower temp? Or is this just the nature of
the product? I don't seem to be getting the flow of solder through to
the component side of the board. Any hints would be appreciated.

Scott (just an old guy trying to adjust) :)

Re: [motm] OT: Soldering Question

2002-06-11 by Scott Juskiw

The water soluble stuff doesn't flow as well as good old rosin core, 
that's for sure. But it should still flow through to the component 
side at 700 F. I've found I have to use more of the water soluble 
solder to get the same coverage that I get with rosin core, maybe 
about 50% more. I've had one or two strands of water solutlbe stuff 
(supplied in motm kits) that seemed to not want to flow as well as 
the other strands. They seemed to lack flux, so I just tossed them 
out and used other strands instead. Maybe you have a flux-less strand 
as well.

Another Scott

At 10:58 PM -0700 2002/06/10, Scott Evans, Gen Mgr wrote:
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>Hello all!
>
>I have just started my first PCB project with the Kester organic water
>soluble solder. Having been used to rosin core solder for 35 years or
>so, I am finding it a bit difficult to determine the proper technique
>for this stuff. I have the soldering iron set to about 700 Fahrenheit,
>as I was used to production line work when working as a technician. The
>solder does not seem to "flow" as well as the rosin core solder. Can I
>achieve better results with a lower temp? Or is this just the nature of
>the product? I don't seem to be getting the flow of solder through to
>the component side of the board. Any hints would be appreciated.
>
>Scott (just an old guy trying to adjust) :)

Re: [motm] OT: Soldering Question

2002-06-11 by Adam Schabtach

> I've found I have to use more of the water soluble
> solder to get the same coverage that I get with rosin core, maybe
> about 50% more.

I have the same impression. Maybe it's simply because the rosin core stuff I
used to use was thicker? Fortunately Paul's very generous with the solder--I
think I'm getting at least two kits built with one kit's solder.

I sure like the way the water-soluble stuff cleans up, though.

--Adam

Re: [motm] OT: Soldering Question

2002-06-11 by John Blacet

I have not used rosin core in years, but we did some extensive testing
with various solders. Kester 331 was *very* close to the solderability
of rosin core. You will love it in short order.

Regards,
-----------------------------
John Blacet
Blacet Research
http://www.blacet.com

Re: [motm] OT: Soldering Question

2002-06-11 by Paul Schreiber

> The water soluble stuff doesn't flow as well as good old rosin core,
> that's for sure.


Hmmm....I find it the same. However, the No-Clean solder (Kestrel 245) DOES flow "thicker". I
find the organic 331 solder to flow almost *too* easily.

Another thing: the 331 solder is picky about temperature. It want 700F, not 710F and DEFINITELY
NOT 750F. If you have a variable temp iron, try cranking the temp LOWER a tad.

Paul S.

Re: [motm] OT: Soldering Question

2002-06-11 by media.nai@rcn.com

At 10:58 PM -0700 06/10/02, Scott Evans, Gen Mgr wrote:
>
>Hello all!

Hello, :)

Just to let you know, questions on soldering kits are not off-topic.

Btw, for which team are you General Manager??  Many years ago, I used to
work for Bobby Valentine.

>I have just started my first PCB project with the Kester organic water
>soluble solder. Having been used to rosin core solder for 35 years or
>so, I am finding it a bit difficult to determine the proper technique
>for this stuff. I have the soldering iron set to about 700 Fahrenheit,

Yes, 700F is the correct temperature.  I use a WTCPT with a 700 degree tip.

Why do I use the WTCPT instead of an iron with an adjustable temperature??
I'm a synth guy, and synth guys love to play with knobs!!  This way it's
always the same whenever I turn it on, and I'm not tempted to tweak some
knob when I should be paying attention to soldering.  I also believe that
the WTCPT is a simpler design and therefore more reliable.

>as I was used to production line work when working as a technician. The
>solder does not seem to "flow" as well as the rosin core solder. Can I
>achieve better results with a lower temp? Or is this just the nature of
>the product? I don't seem to be getting the flow of solder through to
>the component side of the board. Any hints would be appreciated.

You are right, it's not as thin as other as other types of solder used for
PCB work, but it is much more fluid than the "no clean" solder included
with the kits.  What I do, is solder the PCB "upside down" so that the
component leads are sticking up (I use a board holder).  That way, gravity
is working in my favor.  This also assures that the leads are properly set
and crimped prior to soldering.  Perhaps a tiny bit of wiggle is OK, but if
they lift when the board is inverted then they do not have a proper fit in
the first place.  As you know, soldering isn't welding, it shouldn't be
relied upon to make connections in and of itself.

Paul suggests holding the iron for a couple of seconds before moving on to
the next connection.  I tend to hold it a bit longer than that, perhaps
because I'm also used to using rosin core for electronics.  My thinking is
that the components used are designed for wave soldering, so they are built
to handle much more heat than hand soldering.  For IC's, I "dance around"
so that I do not solder adjacent pins one after each other.

Re: [motm] OT: Soldering Question

2002-06-12 by Scott Evans, Gen Mgr

Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry. I will be trying a lower heat
setting next session. On last question: Which of these two solders
(Organic or no-clean) would you suggest leaving the iron tinned with? I
suspect the no-clean to be a better choice.

Regards,
Scott

Re: [motm] OT: Soldering Question

2002-06-12 by groovyshaman@snet.net

Hi Scott,

I wipe the tip thoroughly then tin with no-clean before shutting down the
iron - less chance of corrosion.

FYI, I use 700deg for most no-clean work, except 675deg for coax and
panel-mounted pots; 650deg for most water-sol work except 600deg for IC,
trannys and diodes.  I find the water-sol to flow fine at these temps.  I
clamp the board lead-side-up in a panavise PCB holder at about 30deg to the
horizontal so the solder will flow thru to the other side properly.

George

PS: Soldering is definitely not OT!

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> Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry. I will be trying a lower heat
> setting next session. On last question: Which of these two solders
> (Organic or no-clean) would you suggest leaving the iron tinned with? I
> suspect the no-clean to be a better choice.
>
> Regards,
> Scott

Re: [motm] OT: Soldering Question

2002-06-12 by Paul Schreiber

no clean.

Paul S.

: Which of these two solders
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> (Organic or no-clean) would you suggest leaving the iron tinned with? I
> suspect the no-clean to be a better choice.
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