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Hello all,
 Since list traffic is a little slow today, I thought I would ask this
question:

 How do you route the final output of a complex patch?

 In larger patches, there may be three, four, or more "sub-patches" 
contributing to an overall sound. How do you go about combining all of
the aspects of a patch like this?

 Do you cascade a number of mixer modules to handle all the elements
of a patch, or (taking into consideration the 10v levels) do you send
individual patch elements to an external mixing desk?  Both, perhaps?

 Thanks,
 Andrew Sanchez

Based upon previous experience, I always record composite patches to
separate channels, leaving mixdown for a later time.  I once made the
mistake of mixing two simultaneous patches/tracks performed live on
another modular.  I had this great dynamic panning effect going on in
one sound.  Unfortunately, due to the monitoring situation with stereo
speakers too distant, I didn't notice that this effect was sometimes too
overt, sounding like dropouts.  Once I had recorded the two patches
together, it became virtually impossible to fix. If the two patches had
been recorded separately, fixing the too wide stereo separation would
have been simple.

John Loffink
jloffink@... 

The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com/

The Wavemakers Modular and Integrated Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com/

>  Hello all,
>  Since list traffic is a little slow today, I thought I would ask this
> question:
> 
>  How do you route the final output of a complex patch?
> 
>  In larger patches, there may be three, four, or more "sub-patches"
> contributing to an overall sound. How do you go about combining all of
> the aspects of a patch like this?
> 
>  Do you cascade a number of mixer modules to handle all the elements
> of a patch, or (taking into consideration the 10v levels) do you send
> individual patch elements to an external mixing desk?  Both, perhaps?
>

Hi John,
 That's an interesting thought. I hadn't thought about recording a patch's 
individual components to separate tracks. In addition to changes in the mix, it 
would also leave things open for additional or different effects processing at 
a later date.

 Come to think of it, you could even send one track of this recorded patch 
back into the modular for even more patch tweaking. Hmmm...new term alert: 
"Repatching"! ;)

 Thanks for the tip,
 Andrew


In a message dated 7/12/03 12:25:44 AM Central Daylight Time, 
jloffink@... writes:

> Based upon previous experience, I always record composite patches to
>  separate channels, leaving mixdown for a later time.  I once made the
>  mistake of mixing two simultaneous patches/tracks performed live on
>  another modular.  I had this great dynamic panning effect going on in
>  one sound.  Unfortunately, due to the monitoring situation with stereo
>  speakers too distant, I didn't notice that this effect was sometimes too
>  overt, sounding like dropouts.  Once I had recorded the two patches
>  together, it became virtually impossible to fix. If the two patches had
>  been recorded separately, fixing the too wide stereo separation would
>  have been simple.

Many times I will use the 4 outs of the 410 to give a patch some 
stereo movement.  These go to my mixing desk...

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "synthasaurus" <ixqy@a...> wrote:
> 
>  Hello all,
>  Since list traffic is a little slow today, I thought I would ask 
this
> question:
> 
>  How do you route the final output of a complex patch?
> 
>  In larger patches, there may be three, four, or more "sub-
patches" 
> contributing to an overall sound. How do you go about combining 
all of
> the aspects of a patch like this?
> 
>  Do you cascade a number of mixer modules to handle all the 
elements
> of a patch, or (taking into consideration the 10v levels) do you 
send
> individual patch elements to an external mixing desk?  Both, 
perhaps?

> 
>  Thanks,
>  Andrew Sanchez

Yes, 410 == groovy panning.  I have a Roland RD-300s with a good rhodes
sound that I play thru the 410 all the time, sometimes with some ring-mod
mixed in.  Only bug is that the levels are a bit low.  Preamp anyone??! :)

George

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Marsh" <mmarsh@...>
To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 12:18 PM
Subject: [motm] Re: Main output mix?


> Many times I will use the 4 outs of the 410 to give a patch some
> stereo movement.  These go to my mixing desk...
>
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