MOTM

When they came out (mid-70s) they were *way* overpriced. They tried to make too 
much $$$ of the rack+power supply (errr...Doepfer?) which cost them dearly. The 
modules were designed by Dr. Richard Cabot, who left and founded Audio 
Precision. I think that for eBay prices, they are a good value. Yes, any 
1970s-80s DVM will need a calibration (about $80).

The mini-scope module is cool, as is the function generator.

I lusted after this stuff in college :)

Paul S.

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@s...> wrote:
> They tried to make too 
> much $$$ of the rack+power supply (errr...Doepfer?)

Hmm.

Doepfer G6 rack w/PS - $450

Equivalent MOTM rails w/PS - $415

:shrugs:

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "synthbaron" <synthbaron@y...> wrote:

> Doepfer G6 rack w/PS - $450
> 
> Equivalent MOTM rails w/PS - $415

Wait, I forgot to include an extra power distro board. That brings 
the MOTM total to $452.

So, you see...

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, synthbaron wrote:

>
>
> --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@s...> wrote:
>> They tried to make too
>> much $$$ of the rack+power supply (errr...Doepfer?)
>
> Hmm.
>
> Doepfer G6 rack w/PS - $450
>
> Equivalent MOTM rails w/PS - $415

...and it's still not a full enclosure. I wish I knew more about getting 
enclosures and sheetmetal folded because I would love an enclosed sub rack 
for 5 space MOTM modules.

--mikes

--- Mike Estee <squeeker@...> wrote:

> ...and it's still not a full enclosure. I wish I
> knew more about getting 
> enclosures and sheetmetal folded because I would
> love an enclosed sub rack 
> for 5 space MOTM modules.

Could you use the Stooge SKB backs for that? Larry?

http://www.wiseguysynth.com/larry/skb/skb_back.htm


		
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----- Original Message ----- 

From: "synthbaron" <synthbaron@...>
To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:18 AM
Subject: [motm] Re: Tek 500 Series
> 
> --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "synthbaron" <synthbaron@y...> wrote:
> 
> > Doepfer G6 rack w/PS - $450
> > 
> > Equivalent MOTM rails w/PS - $415
> 
> Wait, I forgot to include an extra power distro board. That brings 
> the MOTM total to $452.
> 
> So, you see...

Regarding Doepfer to MOTM price comparisons, I think the point was that MOTM 
power supplies and racks aren't very expensive as a percentage of overall 
system cost.   MOTM modules aren't cheap but the accessories are quite 
inexpensive.

Some of the comparisons here were about the same as comparing the price of a 
Kia to a BMW.

Ivan

I would be curious to know who went with a MOTM system because they
were scared off by the cost of the Doepfer rack and powersupply. Also
I would be curious to know who went with MOTM because they wanted a
Modular and was on a budget?  Is it possible to get a modular system
on a Budget?  You know, they make "Plugins" for those that are worried
about the cost of a powersupply and mouting rails...


Howard




--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "synthbaron" <synthbaron@y...> wrote:

> 
> --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@s...> wrote:
> > They tried to make too 
> > much $$$ of the rack+power supply (errr...Doepfer?)
> 
> Hmm.
> 
> Doepfer G6 rack w/PS - $450
> 
> Equivalent MOTM rails w/PS - $415
> 
> :shrugs:

I Agree,
  my questions were ment to be retorical...  There is
no way to make a modular on a budget.   
http://www.bobknarley.com/synth.html

h




--- Michael Zacherl <egroups@...> wrote:
> Bob wrote:
> 
> > You know, they make "Plugins" for those that are
> worried
> > about the cost of a powersupply and mouting
> rails...
> 
> Well, the fascinating idea of planning, building and
> mantaining a modular system and saving money is
> somewhat contradictory.
> 
> Regarding "on budget": If you're looking for a
> monophonic synthesiser and want the biggest bang for
> your buck a small modular system gives you way more
> opportunities when it comes to creating unusual
> sounds and "abusing" traditional modules. But I'm
> sure this has been discussed many times.
> 
> just my 2c, :-) Michael.
> 

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--- I went with MOTM because of the Kits.  I am not a
musician, I like all of the knobs and plugs and blinky
lights and NOISE. 
I am very satisfied with everything I have bought from
Paul.  I cant imagine what goes through his mind.  To
me he is a genuis.  I have purchased other modules on
ebay and  used items, Pauls are the best.

Keep up the good work Paul.

Being relatively new to modulars it would be nice to
see some patch diagrams from the guru's on the list...

Ciao
John the photographer, in Steaming Hot  Miami


Bob <knarleybass@...> wrote:

> 
> I would be curious to know who went with a MOTM
> system because they
> were scared off by the cost of the Doepfer rack and
> powersupply. Also
> I would be curious to know who went with MOTM
> because they wanted a
> Modular and was on a budget?  Is it possible to get
> a modular system
> on a Budget?  You know, they make "Plugins" for
> those that are worried
> about the cost of a powersupply and mouting rails...
> 
> 
> Howard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "synthbaron"
> <synthbaron@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber"
> <synth1@s...> wrote:
> > > They tried to make too 
> > > much $$$ of the rack+power supply
> (errr...Doepfer?)
> > 
> > Hmm.
> > 
> > Doepfer G6 rack w/PS - $450
> > 
> > Equivalent MOTM rails w/PS - $415
> > 
> > :shrugs:
> 
> 
> 
> 



	
		
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Jay wrote:

>
> --- Mike Estee <squeeker@...> wrote:
>
>> ...and it's still not a full enclosure. I wish I
>> knew more about getting
>> enclosures and sheetmetal folded because I would
>> love an enclosed sub rack
>> for 5 space MOTM modules.
>
> Could you use the Stooge SKB backs for that? Larry?

Larry's SKB backs are close, but I was thinking something a little more 
cynthia like. It was just a little afternoon wishful thinking. What I 
really need to do is find a welder/cabinet maker out here who can build my 
rack design for me. Right now I'm using telcom switch rack, which works 
great, but is ugly as sin ;)

--mikes

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Bob wrote:

>
>
> I would be curious to know who went with a MOTM system because they
> were scared off by the cost of the Doepfer rack and powersupply. Also
> I would be curious to know who went with MOTM because they wanted a
> Modular and was on a budget?  Is it possible to get a modular system
> on a Budget?  You know, they make "Plugins" for those that are worried
> about the cost of a powersupply and mouting rails...

Very nice ones:
http://www.arturia.com/
http://www.wayoutware.com/  (this one is awesome!))
http://www.nativeinstruments.de/
http://www.clavia.com

but seriously, i love my patch cables and knobs. my mouse just doesn't 
make that satisfying "thunk" when I try and cram the USB plug into a 
jack. i can't even remember why I chose MOTM over doepfer so long ago. 
I've met both Paul & Dieter, and they're both very nice guys. I think it 
was the quality of the demo sounds on Pauls page, the knob-to-knob 
spacing, and Paul's cunning collection of carefully crafted circuits. It 
sure as hell wasn't the price.

--mikes

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, John Laudicina wrote:
> Being relatively new to modulars it would be nice to
> see some patch diagrams from the guru's on the list...

It's been I think two years since I started so I'm hardly an expert or 
anything. I remember asking this exact same question. My advice is this: 
start with a small number of modules (say OSC->(ENV->)VCA->VCF->MIX) and 
just play, try using unusual outputs on unusual inputs. Try "missusing" or 
"abusing" modules, like using a filter as an oscillator, or an LFO with 
re-trig as an envelop. You'll start to get a model in your head how to 
design your own sounds. Just remember to play ;)

--mikes

Quoting Mike Estee <squeeker@...>:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, John Laudicina wrote:
> > Being relatively new to modulars it would be nice to
> > see some patch diagrams from the guru's on the list...
>
> Just remember to play ;)

That's the key!!! Leave the tradional paths of non-modular synths.
Put a Filter into modulation paths, etc.pp.

Play! Play!  ;-)

    Michael.

In the Files section there's a folder called Patch Journal.  It has
one patch in it :( I thought If I seeded it, more folks would add to
it.  But that one patch is very cool if you're interested in
Microsounds and Granular Synthesis...

Mike

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, John Laudicina <gion2archery@y...> wrote:

> --- I went with MOTM because of the Kits.  I am not a
> musician, I like all of the knobs and plugs and blinky
> lights and NOISE. 
> I am very satisfied with everything I have bought from
> Paul.  I cant imagine what goes through his mind.  To
> me he is a genuis.  I have purchased other modules on
> ebay and  used items, Pauls are the best.
> 
> Keep up the good work Paul.
> 
> Being relatively new to modulars it would be nice to
> see some patch diagrams from the guru's on the list...
> 
> Ciao
> John the photographer, in Steaming Hot  Miami
> 
> 
> Bob <knarleybass@y...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I would be curious to know who went with a MOTM
> > system because they
> > were scared off by the cost of the Doepfer rack and
> > powersupply. Also
> > I would be curious to know who went with MOTM
> > because they wanted a
> > Modular and was on a budget?  Is it possible to get
> > a modular system
> > on a Budget?  You know, they make "Plugins" for
> > those that are worried
> > about the cost of a powersupply and mouting rails...
> > 
> > 
> > Howard
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "synthbaron"
> > <synthbaron@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber"
> > <synth1@s...> wrote:
> > > > They tried to make too 
> > > > much $$$ of the rack+power supply
> > (errr...Doepfer?)
> > > 
> > > Hmm.
> > > 
> > > Doepfer G6 rack w/PS - $450
> > > 
> > > Equivalent MOTM rails w/PS - $415
> > > 
> > > :shrugs:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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