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Re: Using Drum Triggers

Re: Using Drum Triggers

2005-06-07 by paulhaneberg

I too have a V-Drum set.  I hadn't thought about using it to trigger 
the modular directly, but it seems like an idea with possibilities.

The biggest problem is with false triggering.  I think the simplest 
way to address this problem is for you to have a circuit that 
compares every impulse on all the pads and initiates a trigger for 
the pad with the largest impulse.  The difficulty here is that you 
could hit more than one pad at a time, or more than two if you use 
your feet.

You also need to have a delay time between triggers for each pad to 
prevent multiple triggers from just one hit.  

A sensitivity control could either control the amplified gain of the 
signal prior to triggering, or could actually set the level required 
to generate a trigger with a comparator.

I don't think noise is too much of a problem, but hitting anywhere 
on the kit, including the stand can potentially generate an unwanted 
impulse.  Even an overenthusiastic fellow band member can generate a 
false trigger by jumping around.

It's a difficult problem, that I've never seen solved entirely to my 
satisfaction.  I use my kit for recording only, and I always edit 
the midi stream, so I'm very aware of all the false triggering that 
does occur.

Paul Haneberg

Re: [motm] Re: Using Drum Triggers

2005-06-07 by imorpheusl@aol.com

Would it be possible to use a gate to filter out triggers below a certain level? Would this work? I work at Guitar Center in Boston and I actually was asking the drum department people about v-drum pads and how they work exactly last week. I was thinking about buying some for my modular to trigger EGs.
 
-Chaz
PS: if you need new gear email me I would love to help out and hook up fellow motm'ers :P
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Sent: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:03:27 -0000
Subject: [motm] Re: Using Drum Triggers


I too have a V-Drum set.  I hadn't thought about using it to trigger 
the modular directly, but it seems like an idea with possibilities.

The biggest problem is with false triggering.  I think the simplest 
way to address this problem is for you to have a circuit that 
compares every impulse on all the pads and initiates a trigger for 
the pad with the largest impulse.  The difficulty here is that you 
could hit more than one pad at a time, or more than two if you use 
your feet.

You also need to have a delay time between triggers for each pad to 
prevent multiple triggers from just one hit.  

A sensitivity control could either control the amplified gain of the 
signal prior to triggering, or could actually set the level required 
to generate a trigger with a comparator.

I don't think noise is too much of a problem, but hitting anywhere 
on the kit, including the stand can potentially generate an unwanted 
impulse.  Even an overenthusiastic fellow band member can generate a 
false trigger by jumping around.

It's a difficult problem, that I've never seen solved entirely to my 
satisfaction.  I use my kit for recording only, and I always edit 
the midi stream, so I'm very aware of all the false triggering that 
does occur.

Paul Haneberg







 
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Re: [motm] Re: Using Drum Triggers

2005-06-08 by Greg Amann

V-Drum triggers are alittle different than the garden variety piezo technology of the past. They are "stereo". Well they use a stereo cable anyways. What that's aboot is that it allows the pad and the "brain" to differentiate between a pad centre hit and a rimshot. I have not thrown my V-Drums on my 'scope since I can't capture events (at least I don't think I can). Anyone interested in the minutae of V-Drum pads can contact me off list (I do not claim to be an expert). I think a discussion of triggering MOTM with V-Drum pads belongs on this list; I think the nuts and bolts of V-Drum technology probably does not so I will shut up. :-)

PLL, BFG



imorpheusl@... wrote:
Would it be possible to use a gate to filter out triggers below a certain level? Would this work? I work at Guitar Center in Boston and I actually was asking the drum department people about v-drum pads and how they work exactly last week. I was thinking about buying some for my modular to trigger EGs.
-Chaz
PS: if you need new gear email me I would love to help out and hook up fellow motm'ers :P

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From: paulhaneberg
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:03:27 -0000
Subject: [motm] Re: Using Drum Triggers

I too have a V-Drum set.  I hadn't thought about using it to trigger 
the modular directly, but it seems like an idea with possibilities.

The biggest problem is with false triggering.  I think the simplest 
way to address this problem is for you to have a circuit that 
compares every impulse on all the pads and initiates a trigger for 
the pad with the largest impulse.  The difficulty here is that you 
could hit more than one pad at a time, or more than two if you use 
your feet.

You also need to have a delay time between triggers for each pad to 
prevent multiple triggers from just one hit.  

A sensitivity control could either control the amplified gain of the 
signal prior to triggering, or could actually set the level required 
to generate a trigger with a comparator.

I don't think noise is too much of a problem, but hitting anywhere 
on the kit, including the stand can potentially generate an unwanted 
impulse.  Even an overenthusiastic fellow band member can generate a 
false trigger by jumping around.

It's a difficult problem, that I've never seen solved entirely to my 
satisfaction.  I use my kit for recording only, and I always edit 
the midi stream, so I'm very aware of all the false triggering that 
does occur.

Paul Haneberg






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Re: [motm] Re: Using Drum Triggers

2005-06-08 by Neil Bradley

imorpheusl@... wrote:
> Would it be possible to use a gate to filter out triggers below a 
> certain level? Would this work? I work at Guitar Center in Boston and I 
> actually was asking the drum department people about v-drum pads and how 
> they work exactly last week. I was thinking about buying some for my 
> modular to trigger EGs.
>  
> -Chaz
> PS: if you need new gear email me I would love to help out and hook up 
> fellow motm'ers :P

Thanks kindly for the offer! ;-)

I have a TDW-10 VStudio setup and the triggers don't trigger anything. From what 
I understand, they're like guitar pickups - they need some sort of voltage going 
through them to detect their movement.

-->Neil

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