MOTM

Hi Friend,

The Blacet Ring Mod is a unique tool with more adjustments for the ring-mod 
sound than the MOTM. The waveshape adjustments of the onboard carrier are a 
cool addition. I think that my MOTM, under the proper input circumstances 
sounds far smoother/cleaner siganl to noise than the Blacet. It is truly an 
unfair comparison due to all of those extra adjustments/inputs on the 
Blacet. The MOTM is fantastic at ring modulation and I have already used it 
together with a 300 VCO, 320 LFO and 420 Filter in one of my new songs. I am 
glad I have both for the functionality of the combo. Are there any plans for 
a crazy super-extravagant MOTM ring mod in the future?

I would also love a uVCA module or two.

Thanks for listening,

Thomas White

>From: improv@... (Dave Trenkel)
>Reply-To: motm@onelist.com
>To: motm@onelist.com
>Subject: Re: [motm] micro VCA? ring mod users?
>Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:47:18 -0800
>
> >From: "David Bivins" <dbivins@...>
> >
> >Are there plans for a vanilla micro VCA? I could really use some more 
>VCAs,
> >and I'd rather not build an equal number of ring modulators (and use up 
>that
> >valuable rack space).
>
>I seem to remember some talk here recently about a 1u hi-fi VCA. I too
>could use a few more VCA's...
> >
> >Also, who's been using their ring mod? I'm almost (but not quite) ashamed 
>to
> >say that I haven't yet found good settings for it with my current gear. I
> >prefer the <ducks> ring mod in my Zoom 1201. I just wonder if I'm doing
> >something wrong or if it works *really great* with those oscillators I 
>don't
> >have so I'm missing out. They require a pretty hot input, don't they?
> >
>I think you really need the 300 VCO's, or at least other VCO's that have as
>strong an output as the 300. If I'm trying to ring-mod other sources, I've
>been running them on an aux send from my mackie, cranked way up. I recently
>ran a mix of a sludgey metal tune through 2 ring mods, modulated by
>slightly out-of-tune 300's, add a nice grind that, mixed in the background,
>was just the thing. IMO, the MOTM ring-mod sounds really clean and hard,
>good for harsh and clangorous sounds. I also have a Craig Anderton-designed
>ring mod, from the Electronics Projects for Musicians kits from PAIA, that
>sounds much warmer and "rounder", if that makes any sense. Both sound
>great, and have their own personalities.
>
>Anybody compared the Blacet ring mod to the MOTM? I've got space for one
>more Blacet module in my frac-rac, and am considerring the ring-mod. I just
>built the Blacet mixer-processor, and it's a handy little module: a 3-input
>mixer for both audio and CV, + another channel that is a simple
>gain-control and inverter. Very cool little piece.
>
>I've been getting into doing a bit of dance-ish stuff using the MOTM, I've
>been listenning to a lot of really minimal Porter Ricks/Richie Hawtin stuff
>lately, and the modular seems like a good tool for those kind of slowly
>evolving sounds. I'm sure that my tracks would clear a dance-floor in
>seconds, though...
>
>________________________________________________________
>Dave Trenkel : improv@...  : www.peak.org/~improv/
>
>"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
>gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
>your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
>type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
>together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
>together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
>                                             -Sun Ra
>________________________________________________________
>
>

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The '110 Ring mod is designed to be driven by 10v pk-pk signals. The "line
level"
1 to 1.5v pk-pk levels out of a synth won't get you that 'pristine' ringing
sound.

Until the Triple Preamp arrives, try using the *headphone* out of a synth:
those run
unloaded about 6V pk-pk with the volume cranked.

As a "modulator", use a '320 LFO! I guarentee wanking on the SHAPE knob will
add bizzareness the Blacet can only dream of.

As a VCA, the CEM3330 is "quite good", but I think it's the *best-sounding*
Ring Mod out
there. I will be sad when the supply eventually dries out. Still have ~200
left!

Looking into alternative VCA gain cells now.

Paul S.
bbberrrrrpppp!!!

Ok, I know D*****r, S***e and all the rest are dirty words, but do we
really have to star out Mr Blacet too?  I can't be the only one who has an
informal "subscription" to Blacet Research as well as MOTM.  They
complement each other nicely!

young enough to think real designers must have "M*",
Chris Jeris

In a message dated 00-02-08 21:53:46 EST, you write:

<< Ok, I know D*****r, S***e and all the rest are dirty words >>



chris,
i kind of know what you mean......granted,this is a motm list but a) i take 
the larger view that we are all into modulars first and foremost b) me, i 
only have one motm module ( admittedly, i am starting to save up for #2 but 
thats besides the point  :^)  ) but i love the discussions of patch related 
ideas because i see them as being, in principle, generic and applicable to 
any system. just because someone does it with another synth, doesn`t make it 
a bad idea. i have found the creativity of folks on this list to be very 
stimulating and enjoyable c) i hate feeling like a second class citizen 
because i have ( and like ) a different machine as my core system. as i have 
said before, my plan / goal is to build a "best of breed" ( or "mongrel" ) 
system that has the bits and pieces i like or find unusual from any 
manufacturers.
all othe above notwithstanding, let me add that i was very impressed with my 
410 module and told paul so. from what i can see, motm stuff is first rate, 
great stuff but i think other efforts are at least worthy of tolerance if not 
respect.
best,
dave