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2001-01-24 by Jeffrey Pontius
Are there any 2-dimensional controllers similar to the Odyssey's ppc or the Kaoss pad currently available as stand-alones? Just interested in a controller (e.g., I'm not interested in all of the other 'stuff' on the Kaoss pad). TIA, Jeff
2001-01-24 by bigd@buffalo.com
Dr. Moog is using something made up in Toronto on his new synth, but standalone, no. Might be nice. I saw a article on the tele about this company who makes this Tactex (sp ?), they actually make stuff for Nasa!!! And they were controlling video with some kind of device, you may want try and contact them about a musical standalone box, but I have no info, anyone else ? Jim Jeffrey Pontius wrote:
> Are there any 2-dimensional controllers similar to the Odyssey's ppc or > the Kaoss pad currently available as stand-alones? Just interested in a > controller (e.g., I'm not interested in all of the other 'stuff' on the > Kaoss pad). > > TIA, Jeff
2001-01-24 by Tony Karavidas
Try www.tactex.com
> -----Original Message----- > From: bigd@... [mailto:bigd@...] > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 8:55 AM > To: motm@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [motm] 2-d (ppc, Kaoss-like) controllers available > > > Dr. Moog is using something made up in Toronto on his new synth, but > standalone, no. Might be nice. I saw a article on the tele about this > company who makes this Tactex (sp ?), they actually make stuff for Nasa!!! > And they were controlling video with some kind of device, you may want try > and contact them about a musical standalone box, but I have no > info, anyone > else ? > Jim > > Jeffrey Pontius wrote: > > > Are there any 2-dimensional controllers similar to the Odyssey's ppc or > > the Kaoss pad currently available as stand-alones? Just interested in a > > controller (e.g., I'm not interested in all of the other 'stuff' on the > > Kaoss pad). > > > > TIA, Jeff > > > > > > >
2001-01-24 by Brousseau, Paul E (Paul)
Check out the Tactex (www.tactex.com) controller. It is stand-alone, and its actually 3d (left-right, up-down, hard-soft)... although you'll have to jump through some loops to make it work with typical equipment-- there's no MIDI or VC. It has serial connectors (DP9 for PC, Mac Serial for Mac) to connect to a computer. I have no idea what it would requite to convert that to a useful signal. On the other hand, it's already integrated with Cycling 74's MAX software. Unfortunately, it's also $500. (Yes, I'm facinated with the d*mned thing, that's why I keep mentioning it here...) --PBr
> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Pontius [SMTP:jpont@...] > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 6:19 AM > To: Analogue Heaven; motm@egroups.com > Subject: [motm] 2-d (ppc, Kaoss-like) controllers available > > Are there any 2-dimensional controllers similar to the Odyssey's ppc or > the Kaoss pad currently available as stand-alones? Just interested in a > controller (e.g., I'm not interested in all of the other 'stuff' on the > Kaoss pad). > > TIA, Jeff > > >
2001-01-24 by Brousseau, Paul E (Paul)
And then there's this link I just found on the Nord Modular list... http://img.harmony-central.com/fif=WNAMM01/Midiman/Surface-One.fpx&obj=uv,1. 0&wid=500&page=uv1.html Looks interesting, but I can't find ANY more information on it... --PBr
> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Pontius [SMTP:jpont@...] > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 6:19 AM > To: Analogue Heaven; motm@egroups.com > Subject: [motm] 2-d (ppc, Kaoss-like) controllers available > > Are there any 2-dimensional controllers similar to the Odyssey's ppc or > the Kaoss pad currently available as stand-alones? Just interested in a > controller (e.g., I'm not interested in all of the other 'stuff' on the > Kaoss pad). > > TIA, Jeff > > >
2001-01-25 by J. Larry Hendry
I am working on something (just got started). I have some information I just from a manufacturer on something called force sending resistors. Now, by themselves, that is nothing new, BUT, they have ones that have 4 different zones. , And they have some smaller ones that would be just right for tapping with the thumb or fingers. This four zone thing looks like it could be set up kind of like a joystick with and axis up-and-down and one side-to-side BUT with the ability to actually have all four active at one time by laying down multiple fingers. I was thinking about something you could lay you hand down onto that would have stuff all in the right places for fingers and thumbs. My limited thinking is that you could have multiple control voltages out of it and set up some of the smaller pads for mod CVs or tapping out gates or triggers. All this is a little beyond me right now, but I am trying to learn and enlist the help of those that know more than me about it. I would certainly like to hear if others might be interested in something like this and what kind of features it should have. Right now it is just very conceptual with me. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Brousseau, Paul E (Paul) <noise@...> To: <motm@egroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:12 PM Subject: RE: [motm] 2-d (ppc, Kaoss-like) controllers available And then there's this link I just found on the Nord Modular list... http://img.harmony-central.com/fif=WNAMM01/Midiman/Surface-One.fpx&obj=uv,1. 0&wid=500&page=uv1.html Looks interesting, but I can't find ANY more information on it... --PBr
> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Pontius [SMTP:jpont@...] > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 6:19 AM > To: Analogue Heaven; motm@egroups.com > Subject: [motm] 2-d (ppc, Kaoss-like) controllers available > > Are there any 2-dimensional controllers similar to the Odyssey's ppc or > the Kaoss pad currently available as stand-alones? Just interested in a > controller (e.g., I'm not interested in all of the other 'stuff' on the > Kaoss pad). > > TIA, Jeff > > >
2001-01-25 by J. Larry Hendry
I am working on something (just got started). I have some information I just from a manufacturer on something called force sending resistors. Now, by themselves, that is nothing new, BUT, they have ones that have 4 different zones. , And they have some smaller ones that would be just right for tapping with the thumb or fingers. This four zone thing looks like it could be set up kind of like a joystick with and axis up-and-down and one side-to-side BUT with the ability to actually have all four active at one time by laying down multiple fingers. I was thinking about something you could lay you hand down onto that would have stuff all in the right places for fingers and thumbs. My limited thinking is that you could have multiple control voltages out of it and set up some of the smaller pads for mod CVs or tapping out gates or triggers. All this is a little beyond me right now, but I am trying to learn and enlist the help of those that know more than me about it. I would certainly like to hear if others might be interested in something like this and what kind of features it should have. Right now it is just very conceptual with me. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Brousseau, Paul E (Paul) <noise@...> To: <motm@egroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:12 PM Subject: RE: [motm] 2-d (ppc, Kaoss-like) controllers available And then there's this link I just found on the Nord Modular list... http://img.harmony-central.com/fif=WNAMM01/Midiman/Surface-One.fpx&obj=uv,1. 0&wid=500&page=uv1.html Looks interesting, but I can't find ANY more information on it... --PBr
> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Pontius [SMTP:jpont@...] > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 6:19 AM > To: Analogue Heaven; motm@egroups.com > Subject: [motm] 2-d (ppc, Kaoss-like) controllers available > > Are there any 2-dimensional controllers similar to the Odyssey's ppc or > the Kaoss pad currently available as stand-alones? Just interested in a > controller (e.g., I'm not interested in all of the other 'stuff' on the > Kaoss pad). > > TIA, Jeff >
2001-01-25 by alt-mode
Larry, Force Sensing Resistors (FSRs) have been used pretty heavily in the electronic percussion realm. Take a look at the DrumKat and TrapKat controllers from Alternate Mode (no relation to me or my moniker). Their web site is: http://www.alternatemode.com/ The DrumKat and TrapKat work very well for drumming and some patches allow you to push and hold the pad and vary a parameter with pressure. Certainly something that could be exploited for controllers. Eric --- "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@...> wrote: > I am working on something (just got started). I have some information I > just from a manufacturer on something called force sending resistors. Now, > by themselves, that is nothing new, BUT, they have ones that have 4 > different zones. , And they have some smaller ones that would be just right > for tapping with the thumb or fingers. > > This four zone thing looks like it could be set up kind of like a joystick > with and axis up-and-down and one side-to-side BUT with the ability to > actually have all four active at one time by laying down multiple fingers. > I was thinking about something you could lay you hand down onto that would > have stuff all in the right places for fingers and thumbs. My limited > thinking is that you could have multiple control voltages out of it and set > up some of the smaller pads for mod CVs or tapping out gates or triggers. > All this is a little beyond me right now, but I am trying to learn and > enlist the help of those that know more than me about it. > > I would certainly like to hear if others might be interested in something > like this and what kind of features it should have. Right now it is just > very conceptual with me. > > Larry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brousseau, Paul E (Paul) <noise@...> > To: <motm@egroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:12 PM > Subject: RE: [motm] 2-d (ppc, Kaoss-like) controllers available > > > And then there's this link I just found on the Nord Modular list... > > http://img.harmony-central.com/fif=WNAMM01/Midiman/Surface-One.fpx&obj=uv,1. > 0&wid=500&page=uv1.html > > Looks interesting, but I can't find ANY more information on it... > > --PBr > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeffrey Pontius [SMTP:jpont@...] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 6:19 AM > > To: Analogue Heaven; motm@egroups.com > > Subject: [motm] 2-d (ppc, Kaoss-like) controllers available > > > > Are there any 2-dimensional controllers similar to the Odyssey's ppc or > > the Kaoss pad currently available as stand-alones? Just interested in a > > controller (e.g., I'm not interested in all of the other 'stuff' on the > > Kaoss pad). > > > > TIA, Jeff > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
2001-01-26 by ivancu@aol.com
In a message dated 1/24/01 10:27:17 AM, noise@... writes: << http://img.harmony-central.com/fif=WNAMM01/Midiman/Surface-One.fpx&obj=uv,1. 0&wid=500&page=uv1.html >> That's a protoype controller from Midiman... uses a Tactex surface under a panel to have touch faders and other controllers. Ivan
2001-01-26 by ivancu@aol.com
In a message dated 1/25/01 7:08:20 PM, ivancu@... writes: << That's a protoype controller from Midiman... uses a Tactex surface under a panel to have touch faders and other controllers. >> Sorry, should have clarified that. To be used as a hardware controller for digital audio workstation software. Basically a hardware piece for a virtual mixing console. Ivan
2001-01-26 by Tony Karavidas
Yes, but there's more.... :)
> -----Original Message----- > From: ivancu@... [mailto:ivancu@...] > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:15 PM > To: motm@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [motm] 2-d (ppc, Kaoss-like) controllers available > > > > In a message dated 1/25/01 7:08:20 PM, ivancu@... writes: > > << That's a protoype controller from Midiman... uses a Tactex > surface under a > panel to have touch faders and other controllers. >> > > Sorry, should have clarified that. To be used as a hardware > controller for > digital audio workstation software. Basically a hardware piece > for a virtual > mixing console. > > Ivan > > > >
2001-01-26 by ivancu@aol.com
In a message dated 1/25/01 8:16:03 PM, tony@... writes: << Yes, but there's more.... :) >> Ok Tony, fess up.... what do you know that we don't know? I just rushed through the Midiman booth so I missed the details... By the way, nice meeting you at the show! Ivan
2001-01-26 by Tony Karavidas
Everything (only when it comes to this particular subject) I'm the guy behind the Surface One project. (You didn't think I was living off Encore yet, did ya?) :) I'm toying around with making it a "playable" surface. We'll see if it every makes it off my bench. It was nice meeting you too! Tony
> -----Original Message----- > From: ivancu@... [mailto:ivancu@...] > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 10:44 PM > To: motm@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [motm] 2-d (ppc, Kaoss-like) controllers available > > > > In a message dated 1/25/01 8:16:03 PM, tony@... writes: > > << Yes, but there's more.... :) > >> > > Ok Tony, fess up.... what do you know that we don't know? I just rushed > through the Midiman booth so I missed the details... > > By the way, nice meeting you at the show! > > Ivan > > > >
2001-01-26 by Tony Karavidas
I hate typos. I meant to say "We'll see if it EVER makes it off my bench."
> -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:tony@...] > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 10:11 AM > To: motm@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [motm] 2-d (ppc, Kaoss-like) controllers available > > > Everything (only when it comes to this particular subject) > I'm the guy behind the Surface One project. (You didn't think I was living > off Encore yet, did ya?) :) > > I'm toying around with making it a "playable" surface. We'll see > if it every > makes it off my bench. > > It was nice meeting you too! > > Tony
2001-01-26 by Tony Karavidas
Hi group, I have my own opinion on this subject, but I wanted to get your feedback before I wrap things up. The UEG can operate as a step sequencer, and Robert Rich noticed a problem at NAMM that I'm in the process of fixing. As a related matter, I'm thinking about the implementation of the sequencer levels. It currently works like this: The seven levels control the "level" of each stage, but since there is no level 8 (level 8 is zero in all other aspects of this module), the UEG goes to zero during stage 8. This may or may not be a problem. Let's say the UEG is controlling the pitch of a VCO. If the VCO has it's bottom pitch tuned to zero volts (by using the VCO's coarse and fine controls) then at least one of the sequence values must be that pitch. (You could tune others to that as well, but at least stage 8 MUST be that pitch.) The other way to implement this is to use the TIME pots for pitch only when in sequencer mode. It would allow all 8 to be adjusted instead of seven, which is slightly more flexible, but it is not intuitive at all. You can actually get 8 pitches either way, but in the first way you have to adjust the bottom on with the oscillator, and the second way you can do it from the UEG. What do you think??? Tony Karavidas Encore Electronics http://www.encoreelectronics.com Designers of "The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet." -Keyboard Oct. 1997
2001-01-26 by Tkacs, Ken
Does the other bank, in sequencer mode, control the duration of the notes? If so, swapping Pitch & Time leaves step-8 with no time setting, no? Or are the durations of the notes "fixed" at the same value?
-----Original Message----- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:tony@...] Sent: Friday, 26 January, 2001 1:57 PM To: motm@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [motm] UEG question Hi group, I have my own opinion on this subject, but I wanted to get your feedback before I wrap things up. The UEG can operate as a step sequencer, and Robert Rich noticed a problem at NAMM that I'm in the process of fixing. As a related matter, I'm thinking about the implementation of the sequencer levels. It currently works like this: The seven levels control the "level" of each stage, but since there is no level 8 (level 8 is zero in all other aspects of this module), the UEG goes to zero during stage 8. This may or may not be a problem. Let's say the UEG is controlling the pitch of a VCO. If the VCO has it's bottom pitch tuned to zero volts (by using the VCO's coarse and fine controls) then at least one of the sequence values must be that pitch. (You could tune others to that as well, but at least stage 8 MUST be that pitch.) The other way to implement this is to use the TIME pots for pitch only when in sequencer mode. It would allow all 8 to be adjusted instead of seven, which is slightly more flexible, but it is not intuitive at all. You can actually get 8 pitches either way, but in the first way you have to adjust the bottom on with the oscillator, and the second way you can do it from the UEG. What do you think??? Tony Karavidas Encore Electronics http://www.encoreelectronics.com Designers of "The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet." -Keyboard Oct. 1997
2001-01-26 by David Bivins
Or instead of time being adjusted from the front panel in sequencer mode, is it just stepped by the trigger input, a la SH-101 sequencer?
> -----Original Message----- > From: Tkacs, Ken [mailto:ken.tkacs@...] > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 2:03 PM > To: 'motm@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [motm] UEG question > > > > Does the other bank, in sequencer mode, control the duration > of the notes? > If so, swapping Pitch & Time leaves step-8 with no time > setting, no? Or are > the durations of the notes "fixed" at the same value? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:tony@...] > Sent: Friday, 26 January, 2001 1:57 PM > To: motm@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [motm] UEG question > > Hi group, > > I have my own opinion on this subject, but I wanted to get > your feedback > before I wrap things up. > > The UEG can operate as a step sequencer, and Robert Rich > noticed a problem > at NAMM that I'm in the process of fixing. As a related > matter, I'm thinking > about the implementation of the sequencer levels. > > It currently works like this: The seven levels control the > "level" of each > stage, but since there is no level 8 (level 8 is zero in all > other aspects > of this module), the UEG goes to zero during stage 8. This > may or may not be > a problem. Let's say the UEG is controlling the pitch of a > VCO. If the VCO > has it's bottom pitch tuned to zero volts (by using the VCO's > coarse and > fine controls) then at least one of the sequence values must > be that pitch. > (You could tune others to that as well, but at least stage 8 > MUST be that > pitch.) > > The other way to implement this is to use the TIME pots for > pitch only when > in sequencer mode. It would allow all 8 to be adjusted > instead of seven, > which is slightly more flexible, but it is not intuitive at all. > > You can actually get 8 pitches either way, but in the first > way you have to > adjust the bottom on with the oscillator, and the second way > you can do it > from the UEG. > > What do you think??? > > > Tony Karavidas > Encore Electronics > > http://www.encoreelectronics.com > > Designers of "The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet." > -Keyboard Oct. > 1997 > > > > > > > >
2001-01-26 by Tony Karavidas
In sequencer mode, there is no "duration " parameter. The input clock is the controlling source of time. tThe UEG will stay at each stage until it receives another clock. Tony
> -----Original Message----- > From: Tkacs, Ken [mailto:ken.tkacs@...] > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 11:03 AM > To: 'motm@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [motm] UEG question > > > > Does the other bank, in sequencer mode, control the duration of the notes? > If so, swapping Pitch & Time leaves step-8 with no time setting, > no? Or are > the durations of the notes "fixed" at the same value? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:tony@...] > Sent: Friday, 26 January, 2001 1:57 PM > To: motm@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [motm] UEG question > > Hi group, > > I have my own opinion on this subject, but I wanted to get your feedback > before I wrap things up. > > The UEG can operate as a step sequencer, and Robert Rich noticed a problem > at NAMM that I'm in the process of fixing. As a related matter, > I'm thinking > about the implementation of the sequencer levels. > > It currently works like this: The seven levels control the "level" of each > stage, but since there is no level 8 (level 8 is zero in all other aspects > of this module), the UEG goes to zero during stage 8. This may or > may not be > a problem. Let's say the UEG is controlling the pitch of a VCO. If the VCO > has it's bottom pitch tuned to zero volts (by using the VCO's coarse and > fine controls) then at least one of the sequence values must be > that pitch. > (You could tune others to that as well, but at least stage 8 MUST be that > pitch.) > > The other way to implement this is to use the TIME pots for pitch > only when > in sequencer mode. It would allow all 8 to be adjusted instead of seven, > which is slightly more flexible, but it is not intuitive at all. > > You can actually get 8 pitches either way, but in the first way > you have to > adjust the bottom on with the oscillator, and the second way you can do it > from the UEG. > > What do you think??? > > > Tony Karavidas > Encore Electronics > > http://www.encoreelectronics.com > > Designers of "The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet." -Keyboard Oct. > 1997 > > > > > > > > >
2001-01-26 by Tony Karavidas
Yes!!!
> -----Original Message----- > From: David Bivins [mailto:dbivins@...] > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 11:40 AM > To: 'motm@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [motm] UEG question > > > Or instead of time being adjusted from the front panel in > sequencer mode, is > it just stepped by the trigger input, a la SH-101 sequencer? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tkacs, Ken [mailto:ken.tkacs@...] > > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 2:03 PM > > To: 'motm@yahoogroups.com' > > Subject: RE: [motm] UEG question > > > > > > > > Does the other bank, in sequencer mode, control the duration > > of the notes? > > If so, swapping Pitch & Time leaves step-8 with no time > > setting, no? Or are > > the durations of the notes "fixed" at the same value? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:tony@...] > > Sent: Friday, 26 January, 2001 1:57 PM > > To: motm@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [motm] UEG question > > > > Hi group, > > > > I have my own opinion on this subject, but I wanted to get > > your feedback > > before I wrap things up. > > > > The UEG can operate as a step sequencer, and Robert Rich > > noticed a problem > > at NAMM that I'm in the process of fixing. As a related > > matter, I'm thinking > > about the implementation of the sequencer levels. > > > > It currently works like this: The seven levels control the > > "level" of each > > stage, but since there is no level 8 (level 8 is zero in all > > other aspects > > of this module), the UEG goes to zero during stage 8. This > > may or may not be > > a problem. Let's say the UEG is controlling the pitch of a > > VCO. If the VCO > > has it's bottom pitch tuned to zero volts (by using the VCO's > > coarse and > > fine controls) then at least one of the sequence values must > > be that pitch. > > (You could tune others to that as well, but at least stage 8 > > MUST be that > > pitch.) > > > > The other way to implement this is to use the TIME pots for > > pitch only when > > in sequencer mode. It would allow all 8 to be adjusted > > instead of seven, > > which is slightly more flexible, but it is not intuitive at all. > > > > You can actually get 8 pitches either way, but in the first > > way you have to > > adjust the bottom on with the oscillator, and the second way > > you can do it > > from the UEG. > > > > What do you think??? > > > > > > Tony Karavidas > > Encore Electronics > > > > http://www.encoreelectronics.com > > > > Designers of "The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet." > > -Keyboard Oct. > > 1997 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2001-01-26 by David Bivins
Then I would *love* to see, when in sequencer mode, the time pots to control pitch. Hey, why not? :) And, I would order one ;) Seriously, though, it's a great feature if you have a separate trigger source such as a TR-606 or MIDI controlled (e.g. Expressionist); at least *I* like working that way. David.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:tony@...] > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 2:57 PM > To: motm@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [motm] UEG question > > > Yes!!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Bivins [mailto:dbivins@...] > > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 11:40 AM > > To: 'motm@yahoogroups.com' > > Subject: RE: [motm] UEG question > > > > > > Or instead of time being adjusted from the front panel in > > sequencer mode, is > > it just stepped by the trigger input, a la SH-101 sequencer? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tkacs, Ken [mailto:ken.tkacs@...] > > > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 2:03 PM > > > To: 'motm@yahoogroups.com' > > > Subject: RE: [motm] UEG question > > > > > > > > > > > > Does the other bank, in sequencer mode, control the duration > > > of the notes? > > > If so, swapping Pitch & Time leaves step-8 with no time > > > setting, no? Or are > > > the durations of the notes "fixed" at the same value? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:tony@...] > > > Sent: Friday, 26 January, 2001 1:57 PM > > > To: motm@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [motm] UEG question > > > > > > Hi group, > > > > > > I have my own opinion on this subject, but I wanted to get > > > your feedback > > > before I wrap things up. > > > > > > The UEG can operate as a step sequencer, and Robert Rich > > > noticed a problem > > > at NAMM that I'm in the process of fixing. As a related > > > matter, I'm thinking > > > about the implementation of the sequencer levels. > > > > > > It currently works like this: The seven levels control the > > > "level" of each > > > stage, but since there is no level 8 (level 8 is zero in all > > > other aspects > > > of this module), the UEG goes to zero during stage 8. This > > > may or may not be > > > a problem. Let's say the UEG is controlling the pitch of a > > > VCO. If the VCO > > > has it's bottom pitch tuned to zero volts (by using the VCO's > > > coarse and > > > fine controls) then at least one of the sequence values must > > > be that pitch. > > > (You could tune others to that as well, but at least stage 8 > > > MUST be that > > > pitch.) > > > > > > The other way to implement this is to use the TIME pots for > > > pitch only when > > > in sequencer mode. It would allow all 8 to be adjusted > > > instead of seven, > > > which is slightly more flexible, but it is not intuitive at all. > > > > > > You can actually get 8 pitches either way, but in the first > > > way you have to > > > adjust the bottom on with the oscillator, and the second way > > > you can do it > > > from the UEG. > > > > > > What do you think??? > > > > > > > > > Tony Karavidas > > > Encore Electronics > > > > > > http://www.encoreelectronics.com > > > > > > Designers of "The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet." > > > -Keyboard Oct. > > > 1997 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2001-01-26 by ceres@sirius.com
Yeah, if the time pots aren't being used for anything in sequencer
mode, it would make sense to use them to control pitch (or how about
making the time pots "coarse", say +/-5V, pitch control and the pitch
pots "fine" +/-1V [or +/- 100mV] pitch control if that's at all
feasible ... the eighth step would therefore be missing only
the "fine" control)
BTW Tony - is it still possible to order a UEG? I've had the form
sitting around for ages and I kept forgetting to fax it to you ...
-Doug
ceres@...
--- In motm@y..., David Bivins <dbivins@f...> wrote:
> Then I would *love* to see, when in sequencer mode, the time pots
> to control pitch. Hey, why not? :)2001-01-26 by Tony Karavidas
See, there's always something I haven't thought about! I'll have to ponder that one... Yes, you can still order a UEG. I also want to thank everyone that have been patiently waiting for theirs. Regards, Tony
> -----Original Message----- > From: ceres@... [mailto:ceres@...] > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 1:42 PM > To: motm@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [motm] Re: UEG question > > > Yeah, if the time pots aren't being used for anything in sequencer > mode, it would make sense to use them to control pitch (or how about > making the time pots "coarse", say +/-5V, pitch control and the pitch > pots "fine" +/-1V [or +/- 100mV] pitch control if that's at all > feasible ... the eighth step would therefore be missing only > the "fine" control) > > BTW Tony - is it still possible to order a UEG? I've had the form > sitting around for ages and I kept forgetting to fax it to you ... > > -Doug > ceres@... > > --- In motm@y..., David Bivins <dbivins@f...> wrote: > > Then I would *love* to see, when in sequencer mode, the time pots > > to control pitch. Hey, why not? :) > > > > > >
2001-01-26 by mate_stubb@yahoo.com
I have to disagree. It's bad UI design to have a pot labelled "Level" control the level part of the time, but then suddenly a pot labelled "Time" controls the level in another mode. Yeah, I know that it's less convenient having full control over only 7 steps, but this is not a sequencer. It's an event generator with a bonus pseudo-sequencer mode. Moe > > Yeah, if the time pots aren't being used for anything in sequencer > > mode, it would make sense to use them to control pitch (or how about > > making the time pots "coarse", say +/-5V, pitch control and the pitch > > pots "fine" +/-1V [or +/- 100mV] pitch control if that's at all > > feasible ... the eighth step would therefore be missing only > > the "fine" control) > > > > BTW Tony - is it still possible to order a UEG? I've had the form > > sitting around for ages and I kept forgetting to fax it to you ... > > > > -Doug > > ceres@s... > > > > --- In motm@y..., David Bivins <dbivins@f...> wrote: > > > Then I would *love* to see, when in sequencer mode, the time pots
> > > to control pitch. Hey, why not? :) > > > > > > > > > > > >
2001-01-26 by hendrysr@yahoo.com
I like the idea of having control of all 8 levels. If the screening is not done yet, maybe something creative can be thought of to deal with Moe's concern. I am looking forward to getting mine in any case. Larry Hendry
2001-01-26 by Tony Karavidas
The screening is done...I should be getting my entire production run back any day now. Fortunately, the processor on the module is in-circuit-programmable, so as I scramble to wrap up this project, it doesn't impact production time. I think I'm going to leave it alone and have 7 stages adjustable with the "8th" stage set by the target oscillator. It actually works pretty well, and as Moe mentioned the bad UI design issue is avoided. BTW, Robert...I fixed the problem you noticed. :) Tony
> -----Original Message----- > From: hendrysr@... [mailto:hendrysr@...] > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 3:22 PM > To: motm@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [motm] Re: UEG question > > > I like the idea of having control of all 8 levels. If the screening > is not done yet, maybe something creative can be thought of to deal > with Moe's concern. I am looking forward to getting mine in any case. > Larry Hendry > > > > > >
2001-01-27 by davevosh@aol.com
In a message dated 01-01-26 14:01:05 EST, you write: << What do you think??? >> tony, as my use of the module would not primarily be for sequencing, i see the availability of the "feature" as serendipity. i`d stick with the more intuitive first method. after all, if they wanted a sequencer, motm will have one available in a few months. still, as has been pointed out, i`m only one voice. should everyone else prefer the other way, go ahead with it. its not like i`d cancel my order or anything negative given that i see this module as being one of the best new things to come down the pike in some time. best wishes, dave v.
2001-01-27 by jwbarlow@aol.com
I would be interested in such a device! JB Did anyone get my on list mail yesterday about the new Stooge panel run (I didn't see it)? I have gotten about ten times as much MOTM mail today as I have on any typical day for the past month -- maybe Yahoo can get that part of it sorted out. In a message dated 1/26/2001 10:15:00 AM, tony@... writes:
>I'm toying around with making it a "playable" surface. We'll see if it >every >makes it off my bench.
2001-01-27 by alt-mode
Tony, Just one last thought. How about making just a 7 step sequencer? Who says you need 8 steps? Buchla and Serge had sequencers with odd numbers of steps. Of course, allowing for shorter numbers of steps will have the same effect but not by default... Either way, I'm going to order one. The sequencer part is certainly a "bonus" but not the primary reason to get the UEG, particularly since Paul has relented on a basic sequencer! Eric --- Tony Karavidas <tony@...> wrote: > The screening is done...I should be getting my entire production run back > any day now. Fortunately, the processor on the module is > in-circuit-programmable, so as I scramble to wrap up this project, it > doesn't impact production time. > I think I'm going to leave it alone and have 7 stages adjustable with the > "8th" stage set by the target oscillator. It actually works pretty well, and > as Moe mentioned the bad UI design issue is avoided. > > BTW, Robert...I fixed the problem you noticed. :) > > Tony > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: hendrysr@... [mailto:hendrysr@...] > > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 3:22 PM > > To: motm@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [motm] Re: UEG question > > > > > > I like the idea of having control of all 8 levels. If the screening > > is not done yet, maybe something creative can be thought of to deal > > with Moe's concern. I am looking forward to getting mine in any case. > > Larry Hendry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
2001-01-28 by jwbarlow@aol.com
I wasn't paying close attention to this when it came up a few days ago (since I have yet to order one -- though I fully intend on getting one). Yesterday I remembered that this module could also be used for audio waveshaping. I'm wondering if that's (meaning the zero level on stage 8) been taken into consideration when regarding how to deal with this level problem, or if it even makes a difference? JB In a message dated 1/26/2001 11:00:08 AM, tony@... writes:
>The seven levels control the "level" of each >stage, but since there is no level 8 (level 8 is zero in all other aspects >of this module), the UEG goes to zero during stage 8.
2001-01-28 by mate_stubb@yahoo.com
--- In motm@y..., jwbarlow@a... wrote: > Yesterday I remembered that this module could also be used for > audio waveshaping. I'm wondering if that's (meaning the zero level > on stage 8) been taken into consideration when regarding how to > deal with this level problem, or if it even makes a difference? > Well, it shouldn't make a difference. All the levels will be zero or above, so it will have the same effect as a VCO that ranges from 0 to +10v instead of -5 to +5v. There will be a DC offset, which should be removed by an ac coupled mixer input somewhere before it gets to your power amp. The MOTM-420 audio inputs are ac coupled, for instance. Moe
2001-01-28 by jwbarlow@aol.com
In a message dated 1/28/2001 11:13:14 AM, mate_stubb@... writes: >Well, it shouldn't make a difference. All the levels will be zero or >above, so it will have the same effect as a VCO that ranges from 0 to >+10v instead of -5 to +5v I should have been more clear. I wasn't thinking of the bias of the waveshape output of the module. What I was interested in was that any waveform output from this module would (ignoring the time controls at the moment) have at least 1/8 of it's period at zero and that this may typically result in a characteristic sound for the module. Maybe this isn't a problem, and I rarely use a sequencer as a waveshaper (to much work to get a good sounding wave), but if that is one of it's potential uses someone may want to look into this phenomenon to make sure it isn't a determining factor in whether the sequencer level knobs are controlled by the level or time controls. I'm sure that clears up almost as much as it obscures! JB
2001-01-30 by Tony Karavidas
THe UEG is done! The ONLY thing holding it back is the manual. I still have to write it, BUT if any of you want to accept the unit WITHOUT the manual, just say so and I'll ship asap. If you want to wait for the manual, please do not email me to tell me that. If I DON'T hear from you, I will assume you want to wait for the manual before receiving the unit. I bet your next question is "Tony, how long is it going to be before the manual is done?" My answer is "I think it's a week at least." Thanks for your patience!! Tony Karavidas Encore Electronics http://www.encoreelectronics.com Designers of "The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet." -Keyboard Oct. 1997