The Mellotron Group group photo

Yahoo Groups archive

The Mellotron Group

Index last updated: 2026-04-28 23:38 UTC

Thread

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-22 by David Jacques

What exactly is a "Foo" anyway? and Why are they fighting them?


On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:11 AM, tronbros wrote:

Sorry Mr F, I think they are appalling with a capital S! A hideous mound of utter garbage. But what do I know.....

M

mellotronics.co.uk

On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:

> The Foo Fighters rock!


Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-22 by tron400

Somewhere in this 110 minute pile of noise is an M4000D (D for digital). I couldn't take more than a couple of minutes of this crap (my opinion), so I never got to hear it in context. Maybe you have more tolerance than I.

http://www.cbs.com/late_night/liveonletterman/foo_fighters/video/

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-22 by lsf5275@aol.com

A speed-watched it and never once saw or heard the M4000D played.
 
 
In a message dated 8/22/2011 11:21:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
tron400@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 
Somewhere in this 110 minute pile of noise is an M4000D (D for digital). I  
couldn't take more than a couple of minutes of this crap (my opinion), so I 
 never got to hear it in context. Maybe you have more tolerance than  I.

_http://www.cbs.com/late_night/liveonletterman/foo_fighters/video/_ 
(http://www.cbs.com/late_night/liveonletterman/foo_fighters/video/)

Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-22 by ClayE

At 41:55 he plays it.  Flutes at first, then maybe cello around 42:30.

A pile of noise?  Yep.



--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> A speed-watched it and never once saw or heard the M4000D played.
>  
>  
> In a message dated 8/22/2011 11:21:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> tron400@... writes:
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Somewhere in this 110 minute pile of noise is an M4000D (D for digital). I  
> couldn't take more than a couple of minutes of this crap (my opinion), so I 
>  never got to hear it in context. Maybe you have more tolerance than  I.
> 
> _http://www.cbs.com/late_night/liveonletterman/foo_fighters/video/_ 
> (http://www.cbs.com/late_night/liveonletterman/foo_fighters/video/)
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-22 by Bruce Daily

I sifted thru it a while back.  Yuck.  Something like tronny flutes are in one song, quite a few minutes in (somewhere), but the whole thing was painful.  Not worth it.  How many non-superlatives can I state?  I never thought I'd speak like my dad, but every song sounded the same.
 
   -Bruce D.


--- On Mon, 8/22/11, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 9:38 AM


  




A speed-watched it and never once saw or heard the M4000D played.
 

In a message dated 8/22/2011 11:21:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tron400@yahoo.com writes:
  

Somewhere in this 110 minute pile of noise is an M4000D (D for digital). I couldn't take more than a couple of minutes of this crap (my opinion), so I never got to hear it in context. Maybe you have more tolerance than I.

http://www.cbs.com/late_night/liveonletterman/foo_fighters/video/

Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-22 by feline1973

How come Markus has sent these guys their M4000D and not me! I would make nice music with it, not this shouty bad-mannered rubbish. :)

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Somewhere in this 110 minute pile of noise is an M4000D (D for digital). I couldn't take more than a couple of minutes of this crap (my opinion), so I never got to hear it in context. Maybe you have more tolerance than I.
> 
> http://www.cbs.com/late_night/liveonletterman/foo_fighters/video/
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-22 by fdoddy@aol.com

you guys suck!  The Foo Fighters rock!  Stop being such pansy Moody Blues groupies!

fritz

 

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2011 12:38 pm
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D


  
    
                  
At 41:55 he plays it.  Flutes at first, then maybe cello around 42:30.

A pile of noise?  Yep.

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> A speed-watched it and never once saw or heard the M4000D played.
>  
>  
> In a message dated 8/22/2011 11:21:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> tron400@... writes:
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Somewhere in this 110 minute pile of noise is an M4000D (D for digital). I  
> couldn't take more than a couple of minutes of this crap (my opinion), so I 
>  never got to hear it in context. Maybe you have more tolerance than  I.
> 
> _http://www.cbs.com/late_night/liveonletterman/foo_fighters/video/_ 
> (http://www.cbs.com/late_night/liveonletterman/foo_fighters/video/)
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-22 by tronbros

Sorry Mr F, I think they are appalling with a capital S!  A hideous mound of utter garbage.  But what do I know.....

M

mellotronics.co.uk



On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:

> The Foo Fighters rock!

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by Bruce Daily

Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
 
(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
 
   -Bruce D.

--- On Mon, 8/22/11, David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:06 AM


  



What exactly is a "Foo" anyway?  and Why are they fighting them?





On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:11 AM, tronbros wrote:


  

Sorry Mr F, I think they are appalling with a capital S! A hideous mound of utter garbage. But what do I know.....

M

mellotronics.co.uk

On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:

> The Foo Fighters rock!

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by Tony

From an old joke, “if the Foo shits, wear it”!
Tony
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: Bruce Daily 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:48 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

  
      Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?

      (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)

         -Bruce D.

      --- On Mon, 8/22/11, David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu> wrote:


        From: David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu>
        Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
        To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:06 AM


          
        What exactly is a "Foo" anyway?  and Why are they fighting them? 


        On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:11 AM, tronbros wrote:


            
          Sorry Mr F, I think they are appalling with a capital S! A hideous mound of utter garbage. But what do I know.....

          M

          mellotronics.co.uk

          On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:

          > The Foo Fighters rock!

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by Mike Dickson

I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.

On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text

Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
�� -Bruce D.



Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by Chris Dale

The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over battle skies during WWII.


As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but then I thought Nirvana was (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:

I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.



On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:

Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
-Bruce D.



Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by mellotronmadness

The Foo Fighters sound pretty generic to me they could be anyone and from anytime over the last 30 years.

Although I no longer enjoy listening to progressive rock music much, at least it was new at the time, I can't think of anything  new or different much after Garry Numan. 

I feel sorry for young people now, at least the stuff I listened to was new and didn't sound like my parent's music e.g Glen Miller. Today most of the stuff my kids listen to could have been recorded at anytime over the last 30-50 years. My parents hated King Crimson although my father did like Michael Gile's drumming on Schizoid Man. I don't hate my children's music I'm just bored by it.

Oh God, I'm starting to sound like my dad.

And speaking of "Nights in White Satin" it's the only song that I can still remember exactly where I was when I heard if for the first time:  Heald Green, Stockport on 18th November 1968 approx 11pm. 

I suppose most popular music just isn't interesting enough to stand up to repeated playing over 4 decades. I still quite enjoy listening but it's really more to do with nostalgia than anything else.

Mark

PS  2 tracks that did stand the test of time for me, other than a most of John Lennon's work with the Beatles:

Colosseum Walking in the Park ( live)
Cream Crossroads ( live).


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over battle
> skies during WWII.
> 
> 
> As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but then I thought Nirvana
> was (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
> >
> >
> > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >   Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> >
> > (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> >
> >    -Bruce D.
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
>

Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by tron400

That's the old Leprechaun scam!
I'm not sure about the previous answer (above), but my response is either "I think we're all Bozos on this bus" or "Where Mr. President can I get a job?"
(This letter was originally printed in The Straight Dope newspaper column, sometime in '94 - I think - or maybe '93. No, it was '94. At least I'm pretty sure it was. Can I get back to you on this? -Doc)
I've enjoyed your column for many years and was delighted to see a Firesign Theatre reference October 7. [A reader inquired why the porridge bird lays her eggs in the air.] For your information, the famous Zen question or virus which breaks the computer in our record "I Think We're All Bozos On This Bus" actually comes from a lovely woman named Angel I dated back in the '60s. She's from Texas, and claims that when she was a little girl a leprechaun appeared in her backyard one day while she was playing, asked her that exact question, and then laughed and ran away! I've always interpreted the query as referring to the ecological challenge that faces the planet; to wit, the steady loss of trees in which many birds are wont to nest. But it's obviously open to many interpretations, as is much of our work.
Phil Proctor,
Beverly Hills, California

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_the_porridge_bird_lay_his_eggs_in_the_air#ixzz1Vqf02c4u


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> Â 
> (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> Â 
> Â Â  -Bruce D.
> 
> --- On Mon, 8/22/11, David Jacques <djacques@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: David Jacques <djacques@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:06 AM
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> What exactly is a "Foo" anyway? Â and Why are they fighting them?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:11 AM, tronbros wrote:
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> Sorry Mr F, I think they are appalling with a capital S! A hideous mound of utter garbage. But what do I know.....
> 
> M
> 
> mellotronics.co.uk
> 
> On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@... wrote:
> 
> > The Foo Fighters rock!
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by fdoddy@aol.com

riiight...
Show quoted textHide quoted text
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:18 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D


  
    
                  
        I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these      guys at all.
    
    On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:    
                       
            
              
                
                  
                    
                      
Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay                        its eggs in the air?
                      
 
                      
(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
                      
 
                      
   -Bruce D.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by fdoddy@aol.com

yeah, Gary Numan certainly was the zenith...

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: mellotronmadness <mellotronmadness@yahoo.com.au>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:17 am
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D


  
    
                  
The Foo Fighters sound pretty generic to me they could be anyone and from anytime over the last 30 years.

Although I no longer enjoy listening to progressive rock music much, at least it was new at the time, I can't think of anything  new or different much after Garry Numan. 

I feel sorry for young people now, at least the stuff I listened to was new and didn't sound like my parent's music e.g Glen Miller. Today most of the stuff my kids listen to could have been recorded at anytime over the last 30-50 years. My parents hated King Crimson although my father did like Michael Gile's drumming on Schizoid Man. I don't hate my children's music I'm just bored by it.

Oh God, I'm starting to sound like my dad.

And speaking of "Nights in White Satin" it's the only song that I can still remember exactly where I was when I heard if for the first time:  Heald Green, Stockport on 18th November 1968 approx 11pm. 

I suppose most popular music just isn't interesting enough to stand up to repeated playing over 4 decades. I still quite enjoy listening but it's really more to do with nostalgia than anything else.

Mark

PS  2 tracks that did stand the test of time for me, other than a most of John Lennon's work with the Beatles:

Colosseum Walking in the Park ( live)
Cream Crossroads ( live).

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over battle
> skies during WWII.
> 
> 
> As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but then I thought Nirvana
> was (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
> >
> >
> > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >   Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> >
> > (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> >
> >    -Bruce D.
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by fdoddy@aol.com

nice!

fritz

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: tron400 <tron400@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 6:56 am
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D


  
    
                  


That's the old Leprechaun scam!
I'm not sure about the previous answer (above), but my response is either "I think we're all Bozos on this bus" or "Where Mr. President can I get a job?"
(This letter was originally printed in The Straight Dope newspaper column, sometime in '94 - I think - or maybe '93. No, it was '94. At least I'm pretty sure it was. Can I get back to you on this? -Doc)
I've enjoyed your column for many years and was delighted to see a Firesign Theatre reference October 7. [A reader inquired why the porridge bird lays her eggs in the air.] For your information, the famous Zen question or virus which breaks the computer in our record "I Think We're All Bozos On This Bus" actually comes from a lovely woman named Angel I dated back in the '60s. She's from Texas, and claims that when she was a little girl a leprechaun appeared in her backyard one day while she was playing, asked her that exact question, and then laughed and ran away! I've always interpreted the query as referring to the ecological challenge that faces the planet; to wit, the steady loss of trees in which many birds are wont to nest. But it's obviously open to many interpretations, as is much of our work.
Phil Proctor,
Beverly Hills, California

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_the_porridge_bird_lay_his_eggs_in_the_air#ixzz1Vqf02c4u

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> Â 
> (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> Â 
> Â Â  -Bruce D.
> 
> --- On Mon, 8/22/11, David Jacques <djacques@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: David Jacques <djacques@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:06 AM
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> What exactly is a "Foo" anyway? Â and Why are they fighting them?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:11 AM, tronbros wrote:
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> Sorry Mr F, I think they are appalling with a capital S! A hideous mound of utter garbage. But what do I know.....
> 
> M
> 
> mellotronics.co.uk
> 
> On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@... wrote:
> 
> > The Foo Fighters rock!
>

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by John Wright

Even older, “Many men eat but Foo men chew”

John

#911

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:05 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

From an old joke, “if the Foo shits, wear it”!

Tony

From: Bruce Daily

Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:48 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?

(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)

-Bruce D.

--- On Mon, 8/22/11, David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu> wrote:


From: David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:06 AM

What exactly is a "Foo" anyway? and Why are they fighting them?

On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:11 AM, tronbros wrote:



Sorry Mr F, I think they are appalling with a capital S! A hideous mound of utter garbage. But what do I know.....

M

mellotronics.co.uk

On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:

> The Foo Fighters rock!

Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by tron400

A fine song from '65 by the Rockin' Ramrods: "Don't Fool With Foo Men Chew".

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "John Wright" <john.wright@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Even older, “Many men eat but Foo men chew”
> 
>  
> 
> John
> 
> #911
> 
>  
> 
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:05 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> From an old joke, “if the Foo shits, wear it”!
> 
> Tony
> 
>  
> 
> From: Bruce Daily <mailto:pocotron@...>  
> 
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:48 PM
> 
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> 
>  
> 
> (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> 
>  
> 
>    -Bruce D.
> 
> --- On Mon, 8/22/11, David Jacques <djacques@...> wrote:
> 
> 	
> 	From: David Jacques <djacques@...>
> 	Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> 	To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> 	Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:06 AM
> 
> 	  
> 
> 	What exactly is a "Foo" anyway?  and Why are they fighting them? 
> 
> 	 
> 
> 	 
> 
> 	On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:11 AM, tronbros wrote:
> 
> 	
> 	
> 	
> 
> 	  
> 
> 	Sorry Mr F, I think they are appalling with a capital S! A hideous mound of utter garbage. But what do I know.....
> 	
> 	M
> 	
> 	mellotronics.co.uk
> 	
> 	On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@... <http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fdoddy%40aol.com>  wrote:
> 	
> 	> The Foo Fighters rock!
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by lsf5275@aol.com

The term foo fighter was used by _Allied_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies)  _aircraft_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft)  _pilots_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_pilot)  in _World War  II_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II)  to describe various _UFOs_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidentified_flying_object)  or  mysterious aerial _phenomena_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenomena)  seen in the skies  over both the 
_European_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Theater_of_Operations)   and 
_Pacific  Theater of Operations_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Theater_of_Operations) . 
Though "foo fighter" initially described a type of UFO reported and named 
by  the U.S. _415th Night  Fighter Squadron_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/415th_Night_Fighter_Squadron) , the term was also commonly used to mean any 
UFO sighting  from that period._[1]_ (http://en.wikipedia.or
g/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-toomey-0)  
Formally reported from November 1944 onwards, witnesses often assumed that  
the foo fighters were _secret weapons_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_weapons)  employed  by the enemy, but they remained unidentified post-war 
and were reported by both  Allied and Axis forces. _Michael D. Swords_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Swords) _[2]_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-1)   writes, 
"During WWII, the foo fighter experiences of [Allied] pilots were taken  
very seriously. Accounts of these cases were presented to heavyweight  
scientists, such as _David Griggs_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Griggs) , 
_Luis Alvarez_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Alvarez)  and _H.P. 
Robertson_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Percy_Robertson) .  The phenomenon 
was never explained. Most of the information about the issue  has never been 
released by military intelligence."

 
Contents
[_hide_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#) ]
    *   _1 Etymology_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#Etymology)  
 
    *   _2 History_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#History)   
    *   _2.1 Sightings_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#Sightings)   
    *   _3 Explanations and  theories_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#Explanations_and_theories)   
    *   _4 See also_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#See_also)   
    *   _5 Notes_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#Notes)   
    *   _6 References_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#References)   
    *   _7 External links_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#External_links)   
[_edit_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Foo_fighter&action=edit�ion=1) ]  Etymology
 Look up _foo_ (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/foo)  in _Wiktionary_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary) , the free  dictionary. 
The _nonsense word_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonsense_word)  "_foo_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar) " emerged in  popular culture during the 
early 1930s, it was first used by cartoonist _Bill Holman_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Holman_(cartoonist))  who  peppered his _Smokey Stover_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smokey_Stover) _[3]_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-2)   fireman cartoon strips with "foo" signs and 
puns._[4]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-3) _[5]_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-4)   Holman claimed to have 
found the word on the bottom of a Chinese figurine._[6]_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-RFC3092-5)   It was part of service culture 
by World War II and is thought to have led to the  _backronym_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backronym)   _FUBAR_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUBAR) 
._[6]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-RFC3092-5)   By 
1944, the term "foo fighter" was used by radar operators to describe a  
spurious or dubious trace._[6]_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-RFC3092-5)  
The term foo was borrowed from Bill Holman's Smokey Stover by a radar  
operator in the 415th Night Fighter Squadron, Donald J. Meiers, who it is agreed 
 by most 415th members gave the foo fighters their name. Don was from 
Chicago and  was an avid reader of Bill Holman's strip which was run daily in the 
_Chicago Tribune_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Tribune) .  Smokey 
Stover's catch phrase was "where there's foo, there's fire" and this was  
possibly derived from the French word for fire, "le feu". In a mission  
debriefing on the evening November 27, 1944, Fritz Ringwald, the unit's S-2  
Intelligence Officer, stated that Don Meiers and Ed Schleuter had sighted a red  
ball of fire that appeared to chase them through a variety of high-speed  
maneuvers. Fritz said that Don was extremely agitated and had a copy of the  
comic strip tucked in his back pocket. He pulled it out and slammed it down 
on  Fritz's desk and said, "... it was another one of those fuckin' foo 
fighters!"  and stormed out of the debriefing room._[7]_ (h
ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-Jeffery_A_Lindell_1991-6)   However, in a 
Channel 4 documentary aired 3rd June 2011, reporter _Nick Cook_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Cook)   showed an RAF pilot's report, obtained from RAF 
archives, reporting a UFO  incident with a similar red ball of fire on a 
bombing mission over Germany, but  dated 1942 and taken with fact that the term 
was already in use by radar  operators in 1944, must raise some query as to 
the origin of the term _[8]_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-7)  
According to Fritz Ringwald, because of the lack of a better name, it 
stuck.  And this was originally what the men of the 415th started calling these  
incidents: "Fuckin' Foo Fighters." In December 1944, a press correspondent 
from  the _Associated Press_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press)  
in  Paris, Bob Wilson, was sent to the 415th at their base outside of 
Dijon, France  to investigate this story._[9]_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-8)   It was at this time that the term was cleaned up to 
just foo fighters. The unit  commander, Capt. Harold Augsperger, also decided 
to shorten the term to foo  fighters in the unit's historical data._[7]_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-Jeffery_A_Lindell_1991-6)  
[_edit_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Foo_fighter&action=edit�ion=2) ]  History
The first sightings occurred in November 1944, when pilots flying over  
Germany by night reported seeing fast-moving round glowing objects following  
their aircraft. The objects were variously described as fiery, and glowing 
red,  white, or orange. Some pilots described them as resembling Christmas 
tree lights  and reported that they seemed to toy with the aircraft, making 
wild turns before  simply vanishing. Pilots and aircrew reported that the 
objects flew formation  with their aircraft and behaved as if under intelligent 
control, but never  displayed hostile behavior. However, they could not be 
outmaneuvered or shot  down. The phenomenon was so widespread that the lights 
earned a name - in the  European Theater of Operations they were often 
called "kraut fireballs" but for  the most part called "foo-fighters". The 
military took the sightings seriously,  suspecting that the mysterious sightings 
might be secret German weapons, but  further investigation revealed that 
German and Japanese pilots had reported  similar sightings._[10]_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-9)  
In its 15 January 1945 edition _Time_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_(magazine))  magazine  carried a story entitled "Foo-Fighter", in which it 
reported that the "balls of  fire" had been following USAAF night fighters for 
over a month, and that the  pilots had named it the "foo-fighter". According 
to Time, descriptions of  the phenomena varied, but the pilots agreed that 
the mysterious lights followed  their aircraft closely at high speed. Some 
scientists at the time rationalized  the sightings as an illusion probably 
caused by afterimages of dazzle caused by  flak bursts, while others suggested 
_St. Elmo's Fire_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Elmo's_Fire)  as an  
explanation._[11]_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-time19450115-10)  
The "balls of fire" phenomenon reported from the Pacific Theater of  
Operations differed somewhat from the foo fighters reported from Europe; the  
"ball of fire" resembled a large burning sphere which "just hung in the sky",  
though it was reported to sometimes follow aircraft. On one occasion, the 
gunner  of a _B-29_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-29)  aircraft managed to 
hit one  with gunfire, causing it to break up into several large pieces which 
fell on  buildings below and set them on fire. As with the European foo 
fighters, no  aircraft was reported as having been attacked by a "ball of 
fire"_[12]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-11)  
The postwar _Robertson Panel_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robertson_Panel)  cited  foo fighter reports, noting that their behavior did not appear to 
be  threatening, and mentioned possible explanations, for instance that they 
were _electrostatic_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic)  
phenomena  similar to _St. Elmo's fire_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Elmo's_fire) , _electromagnetic_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum)   phenomena, or simply reflections of light from ice crystals. The 
Panel's report  suggested that "If the term "flying saucers" had been popular in 
1943-1945,  these objects would have been so labeled."_[13]_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-12)  
[_edit_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Foo_fighter&action=edit�ion=3) ]  Sightings
Foo fighters were reported on many occasions from around the world; a few  
examples are noted below. 
    *   Sighting from September 1941 in the _Indian Ocean_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ocean)  was similar  to some later Foo Fighter reports. 
From the deck of the S.S. Pułaski (a  _Polish_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland)  merchant  vessel transporting British troops), two sailors 
reported a "strange globe  glowing with greenish light, about half the size of the 
full moon as it  appears to us."_[14]_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-13)   They alerted a British officer, who watched the 
object's movements with them  for over an hour. 
    *   Charles R. Bastien of the _Eighth Air Force_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Air_Force)   reported one of the first encounters with foo 
fighters over the  Belgium/Holland area; he described them as "two fog lights 
flying at high  rates of speed that could change direction rapidly". During 
debriefing, his  intelligence officer told him that two RAF night fighters 
had reported the  same thing, and it was later reported in British 
newspapers._[15]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-14)   
    *   Career _U.S. Air Force_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Air_Force)  pilot  Duane Adams often related that he had witnessed two occurrences 
of a bright  light which paced his aircraft for about half an hour and then 
rapidly  ascended into the sky. Both incidents occurred at night, both over 
the South  Pacific, and both were witnessed by the entire aircraft crew. The 
first  sighting occurred shortly after the end of World War II while Adams 
piloted a  _B-25_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-25)  bomber. The second 
sighting  occurred in the early 1960s when Adams was piloting a _KC-135_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KC-135)  tanker.  
[_edit_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Foo_fighter&action=edit�ion=4) ]  Explanations and  theories
    *   Author Renato Vesco revived the wartime theory that the foo 
fighters were  a new Nazi secret weapon in his non-fiction work 'Intercept UFO', 
reprinted in  a revised English edition as 'Man-Made UFOs: 50 Years Of 
Suppression' in 1994.  Vesco alleges that the foo fighters were in fact a form of 
ground-launched  automatically guided jet-propelled _flak_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flak)  mine called the  Feuerball (Fireball). The device, 
operated by special _SS_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS)   units, apparently 
resembled a _tortoise_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortoise)  shell in shape, 
and  flew by means of gas jets that spun like a _Catherine  wheel_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_wheel_(firework))  around the fuselage. 
Miniature _klystron_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klystron)  tubes inside the  
device, in combination with the gas jets, created the foo fighters'  
characteristic glowing spheroid appearance. A crude form of collision  avoidance 
radar ensured the craft would not crash into another airborne  object, and an 
onboard sensor mechanism would even instruct the machine to  depart swiftly 
if it was fired upon. The purpose of the Feuerball,  according to Vesco, was 
two-fold. The appearance of this weird device inside a  bomber stream would 
(and indeed did) have a distracting and disruptive effect  on the bomber 
pilots; and Vesco alleges that the devices were also intended to  have an 
offensive capability. _Electrostatic_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic)  discharges  from the klystron tubes would, he states, interfere with the 
ignition systems  of the bombers' engines, causing the planes to crash. 
Although there is no  hard evidence to support the reality of the Feuerball 
drone, this  theory has been taken up by other aviation/ufology authors, and 
has even been  cited as the most likely explanation for the phenomena in at 
least one recent  television documentary on Nazi secret weapons._[16]_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-15) _[17]_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-16)   
    *   A type of electrical discharge from airplanes' wings (see _St. 
Elmo's Fire_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Elmo's_Fire) ) has  been 
suggested as an explanation, since it has been known to appear at the  wingtips of 
aircraft._[11]_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-time19450115-10)   
    *   It has been pointed out that some of the descriptions of foo 
fighters  closely resemble those of _ball lightning_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning) ._[18]_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-17)   
    *   During April 1945, the US Navy began to experiment on visual 
illusions as  experienced by night time aviators. This work began the US Navy's 
Bureau of  Medicine (BUMED) project X-148-AV-4-3. This project pioneered the 
study of  aviators' _vertigo_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertigo)  and was 
initiated  because a wide variety of anomalous events were being reported 
by night time  aviators. Dr. Edgar Vinacke, who was the premier flight 
psychologist on this  project, summarized the need for a cohesive and systemic 
outline of the  epidemiology of aviator's vertigo as, 

"Pilots do not have sufficient information about phenomena of  
disorientation, and, as a corollary, are given considerable disorganized,  incomplete, 
and inaccurate information. They are largely dependent upon their  own 
experience, which must supplement and interpret the traditions about  'vertigo' 
which are passed on to them. When a concept thus grows out of  anecdotes 
cemented together with practical necessity, it is bound to acquire  elements of 
mystery. So far as 'vertigo' is concerned, no one really knows  more than a 
small part of the facts, but a great deal of the peril. Since  aviators are 
not skilled observers of human behavior, they usually have only  the vaguest 
understanding of their own feelings. Like other naive persons,  therefore, 
they have simply adopted a term to cover a multitude of otherwise  
inexplicable events."_[19]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#cite_note-18) 

 
 
In a message dated 8/23/2011 1:18:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at  all.

On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:  
 
Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the  air?
 
(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
 
   -Bruce  D.

Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by feline1973

Are you guys nuts? Numan made some exceptional records in his heyday, which I've owned for years and seen done live, 
but in terms of musical form he was a total johnny-come-lately, 
basically playing mid-70s glam-pub-rock (think "Glass of Champagne") and playing it with the same instrumentation of Bowie/Eno's "Warsawa" and Human League's "Being Boiled". That's pretty much all he did. It was pretty formulaic.
(Emotionally, he took out the cheeky flirtatious vibe, and replaced it with aspergic misery).
By "Dance" he got Mick Karn  to play on his record and make it sound like Japan.

You seem oblivious to the entire post-kraftwerk electro dance music genres that have proliferated ever since "acid house" went into the charts in 1988... Where on earth have you been living for the last 25 years?! Inside a mellotron?! 

All this notwithstanding, of course, you are quite correct that pretty much all comercial pop and rock is afflicted with a ridiculous retro mania - as Andy McCluskey of OMD opined last year when talking about their new album - 
pop seems to exist as a perpetual museum exhibit these days - everything remains "in fashion" and you can do any genre you want, so long as you get your pastiche right and do all the correct elements credibly. 
Although it could be argued that the quest for authentic mellotron sounds seen on this list is a perfect example of that, chin-strokers on here feeling that MTron plugins etc are insufficiently authentic.
Which is probably right - any full knows you need to play M-tron twice through a plate echo, slightly sharp of take 1 and slightly flat on take 2 and pan them like mad to get a cool sound ;) 

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> 
>  yeah, Gary Numan certainly was the zenith...
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mellotronmadness <mellotronmadness@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:17 am
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> 
> 
>   
>     
>                   
> The Foo Fighters sound pretty generic to me they could be anyone and from anytime over the last 30 years.
> 
> Although I no longer enjoy listening to progressive rock music much, at least it was new at the time, I can't think of anything  new or different much after Garry Numan. 
> 
> I feel sorry for young people now, at least the stuff I listened to was new and didn't sound like my parent's music e.g Glen Miller. Today most of the stuff my kids listen to could have been recorded at anytime over the last 30-50 years. My parents hated King Crimson although my father did like Michael Gile's drumming on Schizoid Man. I don't hate my children's music I'm just bored by it.
> 
> Oh God, I'm starting to sound like my dad.
> 
> And speaking of "Nights in White Satin" it's the only song that I can still remember exactly where I was when I heard if for the first time:  Heald Green, Stockport on 18th November 1968 approx 11pm. 
> 
> I suppose most popular music just isn't interesting enough to stand up to repeated playing over 4 decades. I still quite enjoy listening but it's really more to do with nostalgia than anything else.
> 
> Mark
> 
> PS  2 tracks that did stand the test of time for me, other than a most of John Lennon's work with the Beatles:
> 
> Colosseum Walking in the Park ( live)
> Cream Crossroads ( live).
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> >
> > The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over battle
> > skies during WWII.
> > 
> > 
> > As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but then I thought Nirvana
> > was (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@>wrote:
> > 
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> > >
> > > (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> > >
> > >    -Bruce D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by lsf5275@aol.com

Well you certainly have a right to your opinion, but I liked only one Gary  
Numan song (Cars, I think kit was). After that I found him boring. 
 
I like Foo Fighters in small doses.
 
I think M-tron is fine for some people.
 
I think most pop music sucks.
 
 
My opinions.
 
Frank
 
 
In a message dated 8/23/2011 8:56:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
feline1@feline1.co.uk writes:

 
 
 
Are you guys nuts? Numan made some exceptional records in his heyday, which 
 I've owned for years and seen done live, 
but in terms of musical form he  was a total johnny-come-lately, 
basically playing mid-70s glam-pub-rock  (think "Glass of Champagne") and 
playing it with the same instrumentation of  Bowie/Eno's "Warsawa" and Human 
League's "Being Boiled". That's pretty much  all he did. It was pretty 
formulaic.
(Emotionally, he took out the cheeky  flirtatious vibe, and replaced it 
with aspergic misery).
By "Dance" he got  Mick Karn to play on his record and make it sound like 
Japan.

You seem  oblivious to the entire post-kraftwerk electro dance music genres 
that have  proliferated ever since "acid house" went into the charts in 
1988... Where on  earth have you been living for the last 25 years?! Inside a 
mellotron?!  

All this notwithstanding, of course, you are quite correct that pretty  
much all comercial pop and rock is afflicted with a ridiculous retro mania -  
as Andy McCluskey of OMD opined last year when talking about their new album 
-  
pop seems to exist as a perpetual museum exhibit these days - everything  
remains "in fashion" and you can do any genre you want, so long as you get  
your pastiche right and do all the correct elements credibly. 
Although it  could be argued that the quest for authentic mellotron sounds 
seen on this  list is a perfect example of that, chin-strokers on here 
feeling that MTron  plugins etc are insufficiently authentic.
Which is probably right - any  full knows you need to play M-tron twice 
through a plate echo, slightly sharp  of take 1 and slightly flat on take 2 and 
pan them like mad to get a cool  sound ;) 

--- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  fdoddy@... wrote:
>
> 
> yeah, Gary Numan certainly was the  zenith...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mellotronmadness  <mellotronmadness@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) >
>  Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:17 am
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo  Fighters live w/M4000D
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  The Foo Fighters sound pretty generic to me they could be anyone and 
from  anytime over the last 30 years.
> 
> Although I no longer enjoy  listening to progressive rock music much, at 
least it was new at the time, I  can't think of anything new or different 
much after Garry Numan. 
>  
> I feel sorry for young people now, at least the stuff I listened to  was 
new and didn't sound like my parent's music e.g Glen Miller. Today most of  
the stuff my kids listen to could have been recorded at anytime over the 
last  30-50 years. My parents hated King Crimson although my father did like 
Michael  Gile's drumming on Schizoid Man. I don't hate my children's music I'm 
just  bored by it.
> 
> Oh God, I'm starting to sound like my  dad.
> 
> And speaking of "Nights in White Satin" it's the only  song that I can 
still remember exactly where I was when I heard if for the  first time: Heald 
Green, Stockport on 18th November 1968 approx 11pm. 
>  
> I suppose most popular music just isn't interesting enough to stand  up 
to repeated playing over 4 decades. I still quite enjoy listening but it's  
really more to do with nostalgia than anything else.
> 
>  Mark
> 
> PS 2 tracks that did stand the test of time for me,  other than a most of 
John Lennon's work with the Beatles:
> 
>  Colosseum Walking in the Park ( live)
> Cream Crossroads (  live).
> 
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:newmellot
rongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> >
> > The word  "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over 
battle
> >  skies during WWII.
> > 
> > 
> > As far as this  band goes, I also feel they suck but then I thought 
Nirvana
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > was  (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
> > 
>  > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson  <mike.dickson@>wrote:
> > 
> > > **
> >  >
> > >
> > > I feel grateful that I've never even  heard of these guys at all.
> > >
> > >
> >  > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
> > >
> >  >
> > >
> > > Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter  bird lay its eggs in the air?
> > >
> > > (or, are we  all just bozos on this bus?)
> > >
> > > -Bruce  D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by djacques@csulb.edu

So true. For those who need to learn the real story behind Kraftwerk, Gary Newman, etc there is a great BBC documentary on the history of 70's-80's electronica on Youtube. I believe you can search BBC and Synthesizers.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

From: feline1973 <feline1@feline1.co.uk>
Sender: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:55:52 +0000
To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
ReplyTo: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

Are you guys nuts? Numan made some exceptional records in his heyday, which I've owned for years and seen done live,
but in terms of musical form he was a total johnny-come-lately,
basically playing mid-70s glam-pub-rock (think "Glass of Champagne") and playing it with the same instrumentation of Bowie/Eno's "Warsawa" and Human League's "Being Boiled". That's pretty much all he did. It was pretty formulaic.
(Emotionally, he took out the cheeky flirtatious vibe, and replaced it with aspergic misery).
By "Dance" he got Mick Karn to play on his record and make it sound like Japan.

You seem oblivious to the entire post-kraftwerk electro dance music genres that have proliferated ever since "acid house" went into the charts in 1988... Where on earth have you been living for the last 25 years?! Inside a mellotron?!

All this notwithstanding, of course, you are quite correct that pretty much all comercial pop and rock is afflicted with a ridiculous retro mania - as Andy McCluskey of OMD opined last year when talking about their new album -
pop seems to exist as a perpetual museum exhibit these days - everything remains "in fashion" and you can do any genre you want, so long as you get your pastiche right and do all the correct elements credibly.
Although it could be argued that the quest for authentic mellotron sounds seen on this list is a perfect example of that, chin-strokers on here feeling that MTron plugins etc are insufficiently authentic.
Which is probably right - any full knows you need to play M-tron twice through a plate echo, slightly sharp of take 1 and slightly flat on take 2 and pan them like mad to get a cool sound ;)

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
>
>
> yeah, Gary Numan certainly was the zenith...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mellotronmadness <mellotronmadness@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:17 am
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
>
>
>
>
>
> The Foo Fighters sound pretty generic to me they could be anyone and from anytime over the last 30 years.
>
> Although I no longer enjoy listening to progressive rock music much, at least it was new at the time, I can't think of anything new or different much after Garry Numan.
>
> I feel sorry for young people now, at least the stuff I listened to was new and didn't sound like my parent's music e.g Glen Miller. Today most of the stuff my kids listen to could have been recorded at anytime over the last 30-50 years. My parents hated King Crimson although my father did like Michael Gile's drumming on Schizoid Man. I don't hate my children's music I'm just bored by it.
>
> Oh God, I'm starting to sound like my dad.
>
> And speaking of "Nights in White Satin" it's the only song that I can still remember exactly where I was when I heard if for the first time: Heald Green, Stockport on 18th November 1968 approx 11pm.
>
> I suppose most popular music just isn't interesting enough to stand up to repeated playing over 4 decades. I still quite enjoy listening but it's really more to do with nostalgia than anything else.
>
> Mark
>
> PS 2 tracks that did stand the test of time for me, other than a most of John Lennon's work with the Beatles:
>
> Colosseum Walking in the Park ( live)
> Cream Crossroads ( live).
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> >
> > The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over battle
> > skies during WWII.
> >
> >
> > As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but then I thought Nirvana
> > was (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@>wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> > >
> > > (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> > >
> > > -Bruce D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by ClayE

Yes. The Gary Numan formula had a pinch of Bowie, a dash of Eno, maybe a little Kraftwerk and a TON of John Foxx/Ultravox.  Then Bauhaus took the formula and pasted it on to NIN.

Maybe there is no such thing as original material.  Some songwriters come very close to creating original songs.  Lennon and McCartney come to mind.  Who else over the past 50 years?  Brian Wilson?  Simon and Garfunkel?  Michael Jackson? Eminem?  Madonna?  ...several others but it's not a long list.

Clay  


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "feline1973" <feline1@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Are you guys nuts? Numan made some exceptional records in his heyday, which I've owned for years and seen done live, 
> but in terms of musical form he was a total johnny-come-lately, 
> basically playing mid-70s glam-pub-rock (think "Glass of Champagne") and playing it with the same instrumentation of Bowie/Eno's "Warsawa" and Human League's "Being Boiled". That's pretty much all he did. It was pretty formulaic.
> (Emotionally, he took out the cheeky flirtatious vibe, and replaced it with aspergic misery).
> By "Dance" he got Mick Karn  to play on his record and make it sound like Japan.
> 
> You seem oblivious to the entire post-kraftwerk electro dance music genres that have proliferated ever since "acid house" went into the charts in 1988... Where on earth have you been living for the last 25 years?! Inside a mellotron?! 
> 
> All this notwithstanding, of course, you are quite correct that pretty much all comercial pop and rock is afflicted with a ridiculous retro mania - as Andy McCluskey of OMD opined last year when talking about their new album - 
> pop seems to exist as a perpetual museum exhibit these days - everything remains "in fashion" and you can do any genre you want, so long as you get your pastiche right and do all the correct elements credibly. 
> Although it could be argued that the quest for authentic mellotron sounds seen on this list is a perfect example of that, chin-strokers on here feeling that MTron plugins etc are insufficiently authentic.
> Which is probably right - any full knows you need to play M-tron twice through a plate echo, slightly sharp of take 1 and slightly flat on take 2 and pan them like mad to get a cool sound ;) 
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@ wrote:
> >
> > 
> >  yeah, Gary Numan certainly was the zenith...
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mellotronmadness <mellotronmadness@>
> > To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:17 am
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> > 
> > 
> >   
> >     
> >                   
> > The Foo Fighters sound pretty generic to me they could be anyone and from anytime over the last 30 years.
> > 
> > Although I no longer enjoy listening to progressive rock music much, at least it was new at the time, I can't think of anything  new or different much after Garry Numan. 
> > 
> > I feel sorry for young people now, at least the stuff I listened to was new and didn't sound like my parent's music e.g Glen Miller. Today most of the stuff my kids listen to could have been recorded at anytime over the last 30-50 years. My parents hated King Crimson although my father did like Michael Gile's drumming on Schizoid Man. I don't hate my children's music I'm just bored by it.
> > 
> > Oh God, I'm starting to sound like my dad.
> > 
> > And speaking of "Nights in White Satin" it's the only song that I can still remember exactly where I was when I heard if for the first time:  Heald Green, Stockport on 18th November 1968 approx 11pm. 
> > 
> > I suppose most popular music just isn't interesting enough to stand up to repeated playing over 4 decades. I still quite enjoy listening but it's really more to do with nostalgia than anything else.
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > PS  2 tracks that did stand the test of time for me, other than a most of John Lennon's work with the Beatles:
> > 
> > Colosseum Walking in the Park ( live)
> > Cream Crossroads ( live).
> > 
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over battle
> > > skies during WWII.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but then I thought Nirvana
> > > was (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@>wrote:
> > > 
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> > > >
> > > > (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> > > >
> > > >    -Bruce D.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by lsf5275@aol.com

Watch this video and learn. Nothing is new.
 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79D8SRrqX5U_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79D8SRrqX5U) 
 
 
In a message dated 8/23/2011 11:18:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ecclesreinson@rogers.com writes:

 
 
 
Yes. The Gary Numan formula had a pinch of Bowie, a dash of Eno, maybe a  
little Kraftwerk and a TON of John Foxx/Ultravox. Then Bauhaus took the  
formula and pasted it on to NIN.

Maybe there is no such thing as  original material. Some songwriters come 
very close to creating original  songs. Lennon and McCartney come to mind. 
Who else over the past 50 years?  Brian Wilson? Simon and Garfunkel? Michael 
Jackson? Eminem? Madonna?  ...several others but it's not a long list.

Clay 

--- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  "feline1973" <feline1@...> wrote:
>
> Are you guys nuts?  Numan made some exceptional records in his heyday, 
which I've owned for years  and seen done live, 
> but in terms of musical form he was a total  johnny-come-lately, 
> basically playing mid-70s glam-pub-rock (think  "Glass of Champagne") and 
playing it with the same instrumentation of  Bowie/Eno's "Warsawa" and 
Human League's "Being Boiled". That's pretty much  all he did. It was pretty 
formulaic.
> (Emotionally, he took out the  cheeky flirtatious vibe, and replaced it 
with aspergic misery).
> By  "Dance" he got Mick Karn to play on his record and make it sound like 
 Japan.
> 
> You seem oblivious to the entire post-kraftwerk  electro dance music 
genres that have proliferated ever since "acid house" went  into the charts in 
1988... Where on earth have you been living for the last 25  years?! Inside a 
mellotron?! 
> 
> All this notwithstanding, of  course, you are quite correct that pretty 
much all comercial pop and rock is  afflicted with a ridiculous retro mania - 
as Andy McCluskey of OMD opined last  year when talking about their new 
album - 
> pop seems to exist as a  perpetual museum exhibit these days - everything 
remains "in fashion" and you  can do any genre you want, so long as you get 
your pastiche right and do all  the correct elements credibly. 
> Although it could be argued that the  quest for authentic mellotron 
sounds seen on this list is a perfect example of  that, chin-strokers on here 
feeling that MTron plugins etc are insufficiently  authentic.
> Which is probably right - any full knows you need to play  M-tron twice 
through a plate echo, slightly sharp of take 1 and slightly flat  on take 2 
and pan them like mad to get a cool sound ;) 
> 
> ---  In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  fdoddy@ wrote:
> >
> > 
> > yeah, Gary Numan  certainly was the zenith...
> > 
> > 
> > 
>  > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: mellotronmadness  <mellotronmadness@>
> > To: newmellotrongroup <_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) >
>  > Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:17 am
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup]  Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > The Foo Fighters sound pretty  generic to me they could be anyone and 
from anytime over the last 30  years.
> > 
> > Although I no longer enjoy listening to  progressive rock music much, 
at least it was new at the time, I can't think of  anything new or different 
much after Garry Numan. 
> > 
> >  I feel sorry for young people now, at least the stuff I listened to 
was new  and didn't sound like my parent's music e.g Glen Miller. Today most 
of the  stuff my kids listen to could have been recorded at anytime over the 
last  30-50 years. My parents hated King Crimson although my father did like 
Michael  Gile's drumming on Schizoid Man. I don't hate my children's music 
I'm just  bored by it.
> > 
> > Oh God, I'm starting to sound like my  dad.
> > 
> > And speaking of "Nights in White Satin" it's  the only song that I can 
still remember exactly where I was when I heard if  for the first time: 
Heald Green, Stockport on 18th November 1968 approx 11pm.  
> > 
> > I suppose most popular music just isn't  interesting enough to stand up 
to repeated playing over 4 decades. I still  quite enjoy listening but it's 
really more to do with nostalgia than anything  else.
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > PS 2 tracks  that did stand the test of time for me, other than a most 
of John Lennon's  work with the Beatles:
> > 
> > Colosseum Walking in the  Park ( live)
> > Cream Crossroads ( live).
> > 
> >  --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> > >
> > >  The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over  
battle
> > > skies during WWII.
> > > 
> >  > 
> > > As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but  then I thought 
Nirvana
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > was (and still is) an overrated  stinking pile of crap too.
> > > 
> > > 
> >  > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> >  > 
> > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson  <mike.dickson@>wrote:
> > > 
> > > >  **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I feel  grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
> > >  >
> > > >
> > > > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce  Daily wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >  >
> > > > Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its  eggs in the air?
> > > >
> > > > (or, are we all  just bozos on this bus?)
> > > >
> > > > -Bruce  D.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >  >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > >
>  >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by Vance Pomeroy

Thanks Frank -- I love the wit of the UOGB - look for their version of 
the Stones' Satisfaction 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbX5dldhJlc&feature=related 
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbX5dldhJlc&feature=related> - it feels 
like some George Formby music hall/pub sing-along tune.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On 8/23/2011 8:38 AM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
>
> Watch this video and learn. Nothing is new.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79D8SRrqX5U
> In a message dated 8/23/2011 11:18:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> ecclesreinson@rogers.com writes:
>
>     Yes. The Gary Numan formula had a pinch of Bowie, a dash of Eno,
>     maybe a little Kraftwerk and a TON of John Foxx/Ultravox. Then
>     Bauhaus took the formula and pasted it on to NIN.
>
>     Maybe there is no such thing as original material. Some
>     songwriters come very close to creating original songs. Lennon and
>     McCartney come to mind. Who else over the past 50 years? Brian
>     Wilson? Simon and Garfunkel? Michael Jackson? Eminem? Madonna?
>     ...several others but it's not a long list.
>
>     Clay
>
>     --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, "feline1973"
>     <feline1@...> wrote:
>     >
>     > Are you guys nuts? Numan made some exceptional records in his
>     heyday, which I've owned for years and seen done live,
>     > but in terms of musical form he was a total johnny-come-lately,
>     > basically playing mid-70s glam-pub-rock (think "Glass of
>     Champagne") and playing it with the same instrumentation of
>     Bowie/Eno's "Warsawa" and Human League's "Being Boiled". That's
>     pretty much all he did. It was pretty formulaic.
>     > (Emotionally, he took out the cheeky flirtatious vibe, and
>     replaced it with aspergic misery).
>     > By "Dance" he got Mick Karn to play on his record and make it
>     sound like Japan.
>     >
>     > You seem oblivious to the entire post-kraftwerk electro dance
>     music genres that have proliferated ever since "acid house" went
>     into the charts in 1988... Where on earth have you been living for
>     the last 25 years?! Inside a mellotron?!
>     >
>     > All this notwithstanding, of course, you are quite correct that
>     pretty much all comercial pop and rock is afflicted with a
>     ridiculous retro mania - as Andy McCluskey of OMD opined last year
>     when talking about their new album -
>     > pop seems to exist as a perpetual museum exhibit these days -
>     everything remains "in fashion" and you can do any genre you want,
>     so long as you get your pastiche right and do all the correct
>     elements credibly.
>     > Although it could be argued that the quest for authentic
>     mellotron sounds seen on this list is a perfect example of that,
>     chin-strokers on here feeling that MTron plugins etc are
>     insufficiently authentic.
>     > Which is probably right - any full knows you need to play M-tron
>     twice through a plate echo, slightly sharp of take 1 and slightly
>     flat on take 2 and pan them like mad to get a cool sound ;)
>     >
>     > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, fdoddy@ wrote:
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > yeah, Gary Numan certainly was the zenith...
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > -----Original Message-----
>     > > From: mellotronmadness <mellotronmadness@>
>     > > To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>>
>     > > Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:17 am
>     > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > The Foo Fighters sound pretty generic to me they could be
>     anyone and from anytime over the last 30 years.
>     > >
>     > > Although I no longer enjoy listening to progressive rock music
>     much, at least it was new at the time, I can't think of anything
>     new or different much after Garry Numan.
>     > >
>     > > I feel sorry for young people now, at least the stuff I
>     listened to was new and didn't sound like my parent's music e.g
>     Glen Miller. Today most of the stuff my kids listen to could have
>     been recorded at anytime over the last 30-50 years. My parents
>     hated King Crimson although my father did like Michael Gile's
>     drumming on Schizoid Man. I don't hate my children's music I'm
>     just bored by it.
>     > >
>     > > Oh God, I'm starting to sound like my dad.
>     > >
>     > > And speaking of "Nights in White Satin" it's the only song
>     that I can still remember exactly where I was when I heard if for
>     the first time: Heald Green, Stockport on 18th November 1968
>     approx 11pm.
>     > >
>     > > I suppose most popular music just isn't interesting enough to
>     stand up to repeated playing over 4 decades. I still quite enjoy
>     listening but it's really more to do with nostalgia than anything
>     else.
>     > >
>     > > Mark
>     > >
>     > > PS 2 tracks that did stand the test of time for me, other than
>     a most of John Lennon's work with the Beatles:
>     > >
>     > > Colosseum Walking in the Park ( live)
>     > > Cream Crossroads ( live).
>     > >
>     > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, Chris Dale
>     <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
>     > > >
>     > > > The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen
>     over battle
>     > > > skies during WWII.
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > > As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but then I
>     thought Nirvana
>     > > > was (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson
>     <mike.dickson@>wrote:
>     > > >
>     > > > > **
>     > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > > > I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys
>     at all.
>     > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > > > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
>     > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > > > Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in
>     the air?
>     > > > >
>     > > > > (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
>     > > > >
>     > > > > -Bruce D.
>     > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > > >
>     > > >
>     > >
>     >
>
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by Bruce Daily

Exactly!
I had my head in the porridge at the time....
 
   -Bruce D.


--- On Mon, 8/22/11, Tony <atm655@verizon.net> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: Tony <atm655@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 11:04 PM


  






From an old joke, “if the Foo shits, wear it”!
Tony


 

From: Bruce Daily 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:48 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
 
  






Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
 
(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
 
   -Bruce D.

--- On Mon, 8/22/11, David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu> wrote:


From: David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:06 AM


  

What exactly is a "Foo" anyway?  and Why are they fighting them? 
 

 

On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:11 AM, tronbros wrote:


  

Sorry Mr F, I think they are appalling with a capital S! A hideous mound of utter garbage. But what do I know.....

M

mellotronics.co.uk

On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:

> The Foo Fighters rock!

Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by tron400

Did Garfunkel have a hand in the writing? I thought he only sang.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Yes. The Gary Numan formula had a pinch of Bowie, a dash of Eno, maybe a little Kraftwerk and a TON of John Foxx/Ultravox.  Then Bauhaus took the formula and pasted it on to NIN.
> 
> Maybe there is no such thing as original material.  Some songwriters come very close to creating original songs.  Lennon and McCartney come to mind.  Who else over the past 50 years?  Brian Wilson?  Simon and Garfunkel?  Michael Jackson? Eminem?  Madonna?  ...several others but it's not a long list.
> 
> Clay  
> 
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "feline1973" <feline1@> wrote:
> >
> > Are you guys nuts? Numan made some exceptional records in his heyday, which I've owned for years and seen done live, 
> > but in terms of musical form he was a total johnny-come-lately, 
> > basically playing mid-70s glam-pub-rock (think "Glass of Champagne") and playing it with the same instrumentation of Bowie/Eno's "Warsawa" and Human League's "Being Boiled". That's pretty much all he did. It was pretty formulaic.
> > (Emotionally, he took out the cheeky flirtatious vibe, and replaced it with aspergic misery).
> > By "Dance" he got Mick Karn  to play on his record and make it sound like Japan.
> > 
> > You seem oblivious to the entire post-kraftwerk electro dance music genres that have proliferated ever since "acid house" went into the charts in 1988... Where on earth have you been living for the last 25 years?! Inside a mellotron?! 
> > 
> > All this notwithstanding, of course, you are quite correct that pretty much all comercial pop and rock is afflicted with a ridiculous retro mania - as Andy McCluskey of OMD opined last year when talking about their new album - 
> > pop seems to exist as a perpetual museum exhibit these days - everything remains "in fashion" and you can do any genre you want, so long as you get your pastiche right and do all the correct elements credibly. 
> > Although it could be argued that the quest for authentic mellotron sounds seen on this list is a perfect example of that, chin-strokers on here feeling that MTron plugins etc are insufficiently authentic.
> > Which is probably right - any full knows you need to play M-tron twice through a plate echo, slightly sharp of take 1 and slightly flat on take 2 and pan them like mad to get a cool sound ;) 
> > 
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@ wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > >  yeah, Gary Numan certainly was the zenith...
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mellotronmadness <mellotronmadness@>
> > > To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:17 am
> > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > >     
> > >                   
> > > The Foo Fighters sound pretty generic to me they could be anyone and from anytime over the last 30 years.
> > > 
> > > Although I no longer enjoy listening to progressive rock music much, at least it was new at the time, I can't think of anything  new or different much after Garry Numan. 
> > > 
> > > I feel sorry for young people now, at least the stuff I listened to was new and didn't sound like my parent's music e.g Glen Miller. Today most of the stuff my kids listen to could have been recorded at anytime over the last 30-50 years. My parents hated King Crimson although my father did like Michael Gile's drumming on Schizoid Man. I don't hate my children's music I'm just bored by it.
> > > 
> > > Oh God, I'm starting to sound like my dad.
> > > 
> > > And speaking of "Nights in White Satin" it's the only song that I can still remember exactly where I was when I heard if for the first time:  Heald Green, Stockport on 18th November 1968 approx 11pm. 
> > > 
> > > I suppose most popular music just isn't interesting enough to stand up to repeated playing over 4 decades. I still quite enjoy listening but it's really more to do with nostalgia than anything else.
> > > 
> > > Mark
> > > 
> > > PS  2 tracks that did stand the test of time for me, other than a most of John Lennon's work with the Beatles:
> > > 
> > > Colosseum Walking in the Park ( live)
> > > Cream Crossroads ( live).
> > > 
> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over battle
> > > > skies during WWII.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but then I thought Nirvana
> > > > was (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@>wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >   Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> > > > >
> > > > > (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> > > > >
> > > > >    -Bruce D.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by Mike Dickson

Seriously, I haven't!!

On 23/08/2011 12:06, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:

riiight...



-----Original Message-----
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: Mike Dickson
To: newmellotrongroup
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:18 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.

On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
�� -Bruce D.



-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ 
Or http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson                  
Or http://soundcloud.com/mikedickson
Or http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson   
Or http://www.myspace.com/mellotronworks

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by lsf5275@aol.com

Then you haven't lived until you stand shoulder to shoulder with those who  
fight foo.
 
 
In a message dated 8/23/2011 2:18:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
Seriously, I haven't!!

On 23/08/2011 12:06, _fdoddy@aol.com_ (mailto:fdoddy@aol.com)  wrote:  
 
riiight...







-----Original  Message-----
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: Mike Dickson _<mike.dickson@gmail.com>_ 
(mailto:mike.dickson@gmail.com) 
To:  newmellotrongroup _<newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Sent:  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:18 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo  Fighters live w/M4000D


 
 
 
I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys  at all.

On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote: 

 
     
Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the  air?
 
(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
 
   -Bruce  D.














-- 

Mike Dickson, Edinburgh



Free Music Project: _http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/_ 
(http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/)  

Or _http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson_ 
(http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson)                   

Or _http://soundcloud.com/mikedickson_ (http://soundcloud.com/mikedickson) 

Or _http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson_ 
(http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson)    

Or _http://www.myspace.com/mellotronworks_ 
(http://www.myspace.com/mellotronworks)

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by Mike Dickson

He made a better record before that, I think called 'Replicas' which I remember being pretty good at the time - all alienatation and despair. Post-Cars he made one fairly good tune called 'Complex' which was all violas and horrendously tuned synths. Then he promptly vanished up his rectum.

On 23/08/2011 14:03, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text

Well you certainly have a right to your opinion, but I liked only one Gary Numan song (Cars, I think kit was). After that I found him boring.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by Mike Dickson


On 23/08/2011 16:18, ClayE wrote:

Maybe there is no such thing as original material. Some songwriters come very close to creating original songs. Lennon and McCartney come to mind. Who else over the past 50 years? Brian Wilson? Simon and Garfunkel? Michael Jackson? Eminem? Madonna? ...several others but it's not a long list.


Well Brian Wilson predicated nearly all his harmonies on the Four Freshmen and latterly filtered that through Hal David and (to a lesser extent) Burt B.

If you need an honest to god original you're probably going to have to go back to Robert Johnson. There are way less than you think. It's like when comedians say there are only really seven jokes in the world and all others are synthesised from them.

Mike

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by Mike Dickson

I will wait in line, thanks. They are fucking dreadful.

On 23/08/2011 19:20, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

Then you haven't lived until you stand shoulder to shoulder with those who fight foo.
In a message dated 8/23/2011 2:18:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:

Seriously, I haven't!!

On 23/08/2011 12:06, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:

riiight...



-----Original Message-----
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: Mike Dickson
To: newmellotrongroup
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:18 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.

On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
�� -Bruce D.



-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ 
Or http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson                  
Or http://soundcloud.com/mikedickson
Or http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson   
Or http://www.myspace.com/mellotronworks

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ 
Or http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson                  
Or http://soundcloud.com/mikedickson
Or http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson   
Or http://www.myspace.com/mellotronworks

Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by feline1973

Artie Garfunkel, by all accounts, did most of the musical arrangements and trademark vocal harmonies; Simon wrote the chords, the tune and the words. 

Although that saw Simon getting the writer royalties, 
I have to say his material would've been dull as hell without Artie there to arrange it into something special. 

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Did Garfunkel have a hand in the writing? I thought he only sang.
> 
> Bernie
> 
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by fdoddy@aol.com

yeah, I am nuts.  I do like much of the post-kraftwerk electro dance music genres.  I am down with the glitch and paste, dubstep and all the other "steps", IDM, berlin school, DnB etc etc and all the associated sub genres, nintendocore  blah blah .  I actually need to know a lot of this.

I just don't like Gary Numan.  Never hit me in the heart....

that's just me....

fritz

 

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: feline1973 <feline1@feline1.co.uk>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 8:56 am
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D


  
    
                  
Are you guys nuts? Numan made some exceptional records in his heyday, which I've owned for years and seen done live, 
but in terms of musical form he was a total johnny-come-lately, 
basically playing mid-70s glam-pub-rock (think "Glass of Champagne") and playing it with the same instrumentation of Bowie/Eno's "Warsawa" and Human League's "Being Boiled". That's pretty much all he did. It was pretty formulaic.
(Emotionally, he took out the cheeky flirtatious vibe, and replaced it with aspergic misery).
By "Dance" he got Mick Karn  to play on his record and make it sound like Japan.

You seem oblivious to the entire post-kraftwerk electro dance music genres that have proliferated ever since "acid house" went into the charts in 1988... Where on earth have you been living for the last 25 years?! Inside a mellotron?! 

All this notwithstanding, of course, you are quite correct that pretty much all comercial pop and rock is afflicted with a ridiculous retro mania - as Andy McCluskey of OMD opined last year when talking about their new album - 
pop seems to exist as a perpetual museum exhibit these days - everything remains "in fashion" and you can do any genre you want, so long as you get your pastiche right and do all the correct elements credibly. 
Although it could be argued that the quest for authentic mellotron sounds seen on this list is a perfect example of that, chin-strokers on here feeling that MTron plugins etc are insufficiently authentic.
Which is probably right - any full knows you need to play M-tron twice through a plate echo, slightly sharp of take 1 and slightly flat on take 2 and pan them like mad to get a cool sound ;) 

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> 
>  yeah, Gary Numan certainly was the zenith...
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mellotronmadness <mellotronmadness@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:17 am
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> 
> 
>   
>     
>                   
> The Foo Fighters sound pretty generic to me they could be anyone and from anytime over the last 30 years.
> 
> Although I no longer enjoy listening to progressive rock music much, at least it was new at the time, I can't think of anything  new or different much after Garry Numan. 
> 
> I feel sorry for young people now, at least the stuff I listened to was new and didn't sound like my parent's music e.g Glen Miller. Today most of the stuff my kids listen to could have been recorded at anytime over the last 30-50 years. My parents hated King Crimson although my father did like Michael Gile's drumming on Schizoid Man. I don't hate my children's music I'm just bored by it.
> 
> Oh God, I'm starting to sound like my dad.
> 
> And speaking of "Nights in White Satin" it's the only song that I can still remember exactly where I was when I heard if for the first time:  Heald Green, Stockport on 18th November 1968 approx 11pm. 
> 
> I suppose most popular music just isn't interesting enough to stand up to repeated playing over 4 decades. I still quite enjoy listening but it's really more to do with nostalgia than anything else.
> 
> Mark
> 
> PS  2 tracks that did stand the test of time for me, other than a most of John Lennon's work with the Beatles:
> 
> Colosseum Walking in the Park ( live)
> Cream Crossroads ( live).
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> >
> > The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over battle
> > skies during WWII.
> > 
> > 
> > As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but then I thought Nirvana
> > was (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@>wrote:
> > 
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> > >
> > > (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> > >
> > >    -Bruce D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by fdoddy@aol.com

It depends on your mindset and your interpretation and feeling on the intent of the writer.  I may not like gary Numan, but his songs feel original to me.  Even though poor George got ripped for "My Sweet Lord", it feels original to me and I'd rather listen to that than "He's So Fine".


fritz
Show quoted textHide quoted text
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D


  
    
                  
        
    On 23/08/2011 16:18, ClayE wrote:    
                       
            
Maybe there is no such thing as original material. Some              songwriters come very close to creating original songs.              Lennon and McCartney come to mind. Who else over the past              50 years? Brian Wilson? Simon and Garfunkel? Michael              Jackson? Eminem? Madonna? ...several others but it's not a              long list.
            
          
                  
    
    Well Brian Wilson predicated nearly all his harmonies on the Four    Freshmen and latterly filtered that through Hal David and (to a    lesser extent) Burt B. 
    
    If you need an honest to god original you're probably going to have    to go back to Robert Johnson. There are way less than you think.    It's like when comedians say there are only really seven jokes in    the world and all others are synthesised from them.
    
    Mike

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by lsf5275@aol.com

My favorite was George's little know tribute to everyone's favorite Stooge. 
 "My Sweet Fine."
 
 
In a message dated 8/23/2011 4:14:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
fdoddy@aol.com writes:

 
 
 
It depends on your mindset and  your interpretation and feeling on the 
intent of the writer.  I may not  like gary Numan, but his songs feel original 
to me.  Even though poor  George got ripped for "My Sweet Lord", it feels 
original to me and I'd rather  listen to that than "He's So Fine".


fritz









-----Original  Message-----
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To:  newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug  23, 2011 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live  w/M4000D


 
 
 

On 23/08/2011 16:18, ClayE wrote: 

 
Maybe there is no such thing as original material. Some songwriters  come 
very close to creating original songs. Lennon and McCartney come to  mind. 
Who else over the past 50 years? Brian Wilson? Simon and Garfunkel?  Michael 
Jackson? Eminem? Madonna? ...several others but it's not a long  list.




Well Brian Wilson predicated nearly all  his harmonies on the Four Freshmen 
and latterly filtered that through Hal  David and (to a lesser extent) Burt 
B. 

If you need an honest to god  original you're probably going to have to go 
back to Robert Johnson. There are  way less than you think. It's like when 
comedians say there are only really  seven jokes in the world and all others 
are synthesised from  them.

Mike

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-23 by john barrick

I don't know, Fritz, it's missing the essential "Dooo Lang Dooo Lang Do Lang" bit.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:13 PM, <fdoddy@aol.com> wrote:
Even though poor George got ripped for "My Sweet Lord", it feels original to me and I'd rather listen to that than "He's So Fine".

fritz

--
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-24 by Bruce Daily

Thanks for this clue, Bernie!  I needed that!
 
  -Bruce D.


--- On Tue, 8/23/11, tron400 <tron400@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: tron400 <tron400@yahoo.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 4:55 AM


  





That's the old Leprechaun scam!
I'm not sure about the previous answer (above), but my response is either "I think we're all Bozos on this bus" or "Where Mr. President can I get a job?"
(This letter was originally printed in The Straight Dope newspaper column, sometime in '94 - I think - or maybe '93. No, it was '94. At least I'm pretty sure it was. Can I get back to you on this? -Doc)
I've enjoyed your column for many years and was delighted to see a Firesign Theatre reference October 7. [A reader inquired why the porridge bird lays her eggs in the air.] For your information, the famous Zen question or virus which breaks the computer in our record "I Think We're All Bozos On This Bus" actually comes from a lovely woman named Angel I dated back in the '60s. She's from Texas, and claims that when she was a little girl a leprechaun appeared in her backyard one day while she was playing, asked her that exact question, and then laughed and ran away! I've always interpreted the query as referring to the ecological challenge that faces the planet; to wit, the steady loss of trees in which many birds are wont to nest. But it's obviously open to many interpretations, as is much of our work.
Phil Proctor,
Beverly Hills, California

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_the_porridge_bird_lay_his_eggs_in_the_air#ixzz1Vqf02c4u

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> Â 
> (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> Â 
> Â Â  -Bruce D.
> 
> --- On Mon, 8/22/11, David Jacques <djacques@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: David Jacques <djacques@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:06 AM
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> What exactly is a "Foo" anyway? Â and Why are they fighting them?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:11 AM, tronbros wrote:
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> Sorry Mr F, I think they are appalling with a capital S! A hideous mound of utter garbage. But what do I know.....
> 
> M
> 
> mellotronics.co.uk
> 
> On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@... wrote:
> 
> > The Foo Fighters rock!
>

Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-24 by tron400

Very interesting. I never cared for Paul Simon by himself, but I like everything they recorded together.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "feline1973" <feline1@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Artie Garfunkel, by all accounts, did most of the musical arrangements and trademark vocal harmonies; Simon wrote the chords, the tune and the words. 
> 
> Although that saw Simon getting the writer royalties, 
> I have to say his material would've been dull as hell without Artie there to arrange it into something special. 
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> >
> > Did Garfunkel have a hand in the writing? I thought he only sang.
> > 
> > Bernie
> > 
> >
>

Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D

2011-08-24 by tron400

I like both songs. They never sounded alike to me.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> It depends on your mindset and your interpretation and feeling on the intent of the writer.  I may not like gary Numan, but his songs feel original to me.  Even though poor George got ripped for "My Sweet Lord", it feels original to me and I'd rather listen to that than "He's So Fine".
> 
> 
> fritz
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:26 pm
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> 
> 
>   
>     
>                   
>         
>     On 23/08/2011 16:18, ClayE wrote:    
>                        
>             
> Maybe there is no such thing as original material. Some              songwriters come very close to creating original songs.              Lennon and McCartney come to mind. Who else over the past              50 years? Brian Wilson? Simon and Garfunkel? Michael              Jackson? Eminem? Madonna? ...several others but it's not a              long list.
>             
>           
>                   
>     
>     Well Brian Wilson predicated nearly all his harmonies on the Four    Freshmen and latterly filtered that through Hal David and (to a    lesser extent) Burt B. 
>     
>     If you need an honest to god original you're probably going to have    to go back to Robert Johnson. There are way less than you think.    It's like when comedians say there are only really seven jokes in    the world and all others are synthesised from them.
>     
>     Mike
>

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.