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Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-20 by Bruce Daily

Hi all-

I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue. Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them. The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks. In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least. Not so on this one. The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time. I am quite disappointed with this CD. The original music didn't need anything else. I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy. Avoid this CD if possible. It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023. A waste of money.

-Bruce D.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-20 by Chris Dale

Never underestimate the ignorance and insecurity of the revisionists.

This is why I buy still buy vinyl for music, and excellent copy VHS (burned to DVD) for pre 1990 classic TV shows.

It may seem stupid, but when I buy those, I feel secure knowing no one has done an artistic rape of the original under the guise of digital remastering music, and/or adding CGI where there was none.

I know exactly what I9;m getting.

In sum:

If it ain't broke - don't fix it

Leave well enough alone

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On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi all-
I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue. Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them. The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks. In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least. Not so on this one. The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time. I am quite disappointed with this CD. The original music didn't need anything else. I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy. Avoid this CD if possible. It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023. A waste of money.

-Bruce D.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-20 by fdoddy@aol.com

I had the same reaction to a Carpenters Remastered Box Set.  David Carpenter screwed with the original drum sounds.  He replaced a bunch of kick drums and NEVER time corrected them...ugh!


fritz

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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:07 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Never underestimate the ignorance and insecurity of the revisionists.

This is why I buy still buy vinyl for music, and excellent copy VHS (burned to DVD) for pre 1990 classic TV shows.

It may seem stupid, but when I buy those, I feel secure knowing no one has done an artistic rape of the original under the guise of digital remastering music, and/or adding CGI where there was none.

I know exactly what I'm getting.

In sum:

If it ain't broke - don't fix it 

Leave well enough alone

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi all-
   I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue.  Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them.  The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks.  In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least.  Not so on this one.  The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time.  I am quite disappointed with this CD.  The original music didn't need anything else.  I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy.  Avoid this CD if possible.  It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023.  A waste of money.

  -Bruce D.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-21 by lsf5275@aol.com

Wasn't his name Richard?
 
 
In a message dated 8/20/2012 11:09:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
fdoddy@aol.com writes:

 
 
 
I had the same reaction to a Carpenters Remastered Box Set.   David 
Carpenter screwed with the original drum sounds.  He replaced a  bunch of kick 
drums and NEVER time corrected  them...ugh!


fritz


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From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com>
To:  newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug  20, 2012 5:07 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing  up

Never underestimate the ignorance and insecurity of the  revisionists.

This is why I buy still buy vinyl for music, and excellent copy VHS  
(burned to DVD) for pre 1990 classic TV shows.

It may seem stupid, but when I buy those, I feel secure knowing no one  has 
done an artistic rape of the original under the guise of digital  
remastering music, and/or adding CGI where there was none.

I know exactly what I'm getting.

In sum:

If it ain't broke - don't fix it 

Leave well enough alone

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Bruce Daily <_pocotron@yahoo.com_ 
(mailto:pocotron@yahoo.com) > wrote:

Hi all-
   I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue.   Once again, Mr. 
Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating"  them.  The 'trons 
are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been  added, which takes away 
from the brilliant simplicity of the original  tracks.  In the late '90s, 
his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine  Dream re-issues were credited 
somehow on the recordings, so we had some  warning at least.  Not so on this one.  
The CD notes are  extensive, and indicate that the original recordings 
stood the test of  time.  I am quite disappointed with this CD.  The original 
music  didn't need anything else.  I simply was hoping to get a sound that was 
 better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy.   Avoid 
this CD if possible.  It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD  1023.  A waste of 
money.

  -Bruce D.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-21 by gino wong

Richard is the the gay one who plays piano.

BTW T Dream has been shit since 1988 they are sounding worthwhile live these days.

gw

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:26 AM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

Wasn't his name Richard?

In a message dated 8/20/2012 11:09:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:

I had the same reaction to a Carpenters Remastered Box Set. David Carpenter screwed with the original drum sounds. He replaced a bunch of kick drums and NEVER time corrected them...ugh!

fritz

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From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:07 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Never underestimate the ignorance and insecurity of the revisionists.

This is why I buy still buy vinyl for music, and excellent copy VHS (burned to DVD) for pre 1990 classic TV shows.

It may seem stupid, but when I buy those, I feel secure knowing no one has done an artistic rape of the original under the guise of digital remastering music, and/or adding CGI where there was none.

I know exactly what I'm getting.

In sum:

If it ain't broke - don't fix it

Leave well enough alone

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi all-

I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue. Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them. The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks. In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least. Not so on this one. The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time. I am quite disappointed with this CD. The original music didn't need anything else. I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy. Avoid this CD if possible. It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023. A waste of money.

-Bruce D.

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-21 by R l

Well, after he tried to 'improve' and 'update' Phaedra, I stopped buying anything from TD...truly disgusting....

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: pocotron@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:09:01 -0700
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Hi all-

I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue. Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them. The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks. In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least. Not so on this one. The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time. I am quite disappointed with this CD. The original music didn't need anything else. I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy. Avoid this CD if possible. It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023. A waste of money.

-Bruce D.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-21 by gino wong

The Stratosfear update was scary.

Apparently He and Jerome are at loggerheads over this

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On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:15 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, after he tried to 'improve' and 'update' Phaedra, I stopped buying anything from TD...truly disgusting....

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: pocotron@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:09:01 -0700
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Hi all-
I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue. Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them. The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks. In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least. Not so on this one. The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time. I am quite disappointed with this CD. The original music didn't need anything else. I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy. Avoid this CD if possible. It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023. A waste of money.

-Bruce D.

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-21 by fdoddy@aol.com

Yes, I am wrong

fd

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From: lsf5275 <lsf5275@aol.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 10:26 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Wasn't his name Richard?

In a message dated 8/20/2012 11:09:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:

I had the same reaction to a Carpenters Remastered Box Set.    David Carpenter screwed with the original drum sounds.  He replaced a   bunch of kick drums and NEVER time corrected   them...ugh!

fritz

-----Original   Message-----
From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com>
To:   newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug   20, 2012 5:07 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing   up

Never underestimate the ignorance and insecurity of the   revisionists.

This is why I buy still buy vinyl for music, and excellent copy VHS   (burned to DVD) for pre 1990 classic TV shows.

It may seem stupid, but when I buy those, I feel secure knowing no one   has done an artistic rape of the original under the guise of digital   remastering music, and/or adding CGI where there was none.

I know exactly what I'm getting.

In sum:

If it ain't broke - don't fix it 

Leave well enough alone

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi all-

   I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue.      Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating"     them.  The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been     added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original     tracks.  In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine     Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some     warning at least.  Not so on this one.  The CD notes are     extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of     time.  I am quite disappointed with this CD.  The original music     didn't need anything else.  I simply was hoping to get a sound that was     better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy.      Avoid this CD if possible.  It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD     1023.  A waste of money.

  -Bruce D.

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-21 by R l

Maybe he's taking the wrong drugs....or worse yet...no drugs at all...has anyone heard of any 'improvements' on Epsylon in Malasian Pale'?

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: wonggster@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:21:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

The Stratosfear update was scary.

Apparently He and Jerome are at loggerheads over this

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:15 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, after he tried to 'improve' and 'update' Phaedra, I stopped buying anything from TD...truly disgusting....

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: pocotron@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:09:01 -0700
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Hi all-
I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue. Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them. The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks. In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least. Not so on this one. The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time. ; I am quite disappointed with this CD. The original music didn't need anything else. I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy. Avoid this CD if possible. It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023. A waste of money.

-Bruce D.

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-21 by gino wong

About what ?

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:30 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

Maybe he's taking the wrong drugs....or worse yet...no drugs at all...has anyone heard of any 'improvements' on Epsylon in Malasian Pale9;?

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: wonggster@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:21:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

The Stratosfear update was scary.

Apparently He and Jerome are at loggerheads over this

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:15 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, after he tried to 'improve' and 'update' Phaedra, I stopped buying anything from TD...truly disgusting....

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: pocotron@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:09:01 -0700
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Hi all-
I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue. Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them. The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks. In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least. Not so on this one. The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time. I am quite disappointed with this CD. The original music didn't need anything else. I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy. Avoid this CD if possible. It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023. A waste of money.

-Bruce D.

--
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-21 by R l

I he did any 'improvement' on

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: wonggster@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:33:54 -0400
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

About what ?

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:30 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

Maybe he's taking the wrong drugs....or worse yet...no drugs at all...has anyone heard of any 'improvements' on Epsylon in Malasian Pale'?

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: wonggster@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:21:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

The Stratosfear update was scary.

Apparently He and Jerome are at loggerheads over this

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:15 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, after he tried to 'improve' and 'update' Phaedra, I stopped buying anything from TD...truly disgusting....

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: pocotron@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:09:01 -0700
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Hi all-
I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue. Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them. The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks. In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least. Not so on this one. The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time. I am quite disappointed with this CD. The original music didn't need anything else. I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy. Avoid this CD if possible. It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023. A waste of money.

-Bruce D.

--
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-21 by gino wong

I remember now. That's trivial.

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:33 PM, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:

About what ?

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:30 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

Maybe he's taking the wrong drugs....or worse yet...no drugs at all...has anyone heard of any 'improvements' on Epsylon in Malasian Pale'?

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: wonggster@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:21:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

The Stratosfear update was scary.

Apparently He and Jerome are at loggerheads over this

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:15 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, after he tried to 'improve' and 'update' Phaedra, I stopped buying anything from TD...truly disgusting....

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: pocotron@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:09:01 -0700
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Hi all-
I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue. Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them. The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks. In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least. Not so on this one. The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time. I am quite disappointed with this CD. The original music didn't need anything else. I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy. Avoid this CD if possible. It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023. A waste of money.

-Bruce D.

--
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

--
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC
Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-21 by Frank Stickle

I've heard he's going to rap over the entire album.

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Maybe he's taking the wrong drugs....or worse yet...no drugs at all...has anyone heard of any 'improvements' on Epsylon in Malasian Pale'?

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: wonggster@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:21:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

The Stratosfear update was scary.

Apparently He and Jerome are at loggerheads over this

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:15 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, after he tried to 'improve' and 'update' Phaedra, I stopped buying anything from TD...truly disgusting....

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: pocotron@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:09:01 -0700
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Hi all-
I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue. Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them. The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks. In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least. Not so on this one. The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time. I am quite disappointed with this CD. The original music didn't need anything else. I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy. Avoid this CD if possible. It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023. A waste of money.

-Bruce D.

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

Re: Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-21 by feline1973

What edition was it you had of the Sorcerer soundtrack?

Esoteric/Reactive released a CD on 2011 (or was it 2012) which I bought and it was fine - it hadn't been "tangentized" by Edgar (indeed, I doubt Edgar had anything to do with it).


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:

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> I had the same reaction to a Carpenters Remastered Box Set.  David Carpenter screwed with the original drum sounds.  He replaced a bunch of kick drums and NEVER time corrected them...ugh!
> 
> 
> fritz
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:07 am
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up
> 
> 
>   
>     
>                   
> 
> Never underestimate the ignorance and insecurity of the revisionists.
>  
>  
> This is why I buy still buy vinyl for music, and excellent copy VHS (burned to DVD) for pre 1990 classic TV shows.
>  
>  
> It may seem stupid, but when I buy those, I feel secure knowing no one has done an artistic rape of the original under the guise of digital remastering music, and/or adding CGI where there was none.
>  
> I know exactly what I'm getting.
>  
>  
> In sum:
>  
> If it ain't broke - don't fix it 
>  
> Leave well enough alone
>  
> 
> 
>  
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
> 
>  
>   
>     
>                   
> 
> Hi all-
>    I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue.  Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them.  The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks.  In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least.  Not so on this one.  The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time.  I am quite disappointed with this CD.  The original music didn't need anything else.  I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy.  Avoid this CD if possible.  It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023.  A waste of money.
>  
>  
>   -Bruce D.
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-21 by atm655@verizon.net

I beg to differ.
It’s a brilliant album!
Tony

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From: R l 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:37 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

  

I he did any 'improvement' on   



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To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: wonggster@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:33:54 -0400
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

  
About what ?



On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:30 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

    

  Maybe he's taking the wrong drugs....or worse yet...no drugs at all...has anyone heard of any 'improvements' on Epsylon in Malasian Pale'?



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  To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
  From: wonggster@gmail.com
  Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:21:58 -0400
  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

    
  The Stratosfear update was scary.


  Apparently He and Jerome are at loggerheads over this 


  On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:15 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

      

    Well, after he tried to 'improve' and 'update' Phaedra, I stopped buying anything from TD...truly disgusting....



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    From: pocotron@yahoo.com
    Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:09:01 -0700
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up 


      

    Hi all-
       I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue.  Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them.  The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks.  In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least.  Not so on this one.  The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time.  I am quite disappointed with this CD.  The original music didn't need anything else.  I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy.  Avoid this CD if possible.  It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023.  A waste of money.


      -Bruce D.







  -- 

  Gino Wong Birgelo
  BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC  
  Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design


  Ginowong@gmail.com










-- 

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC  
Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design


Ginowong@gmail.com

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-21 by atm655@verizon.net

IMHO it sucked!

Tony

From: gino wong

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:21 PM

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

The Stratosfear update was scary.

Apparently He and Jerome are at loggerheads over this

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:15 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, after he tried to 'improve' and 'update' Phaedra, I stopped buying anything from TD...truly disgusting....

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: pocotron@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:09:01 -0700
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Hi all-

I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue. Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them. The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks. In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least. Not so on this one. The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time. I am quite disappointed with this CD. The original music didn't need anything else. I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy. Avoid this CD if possible. It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023. A waste of money.

-Bruce D.

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-21 by atm655@verizon.net

Bullshit!

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From: R l 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:15 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Well, after he tried to 'improve' and 'update' Phaedra, I stopped buying anything from TD...truly disgusting....

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To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: pocotron@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:09:01 -0700
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Hi all-
   I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue.  Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them.  The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks.  In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least.  Not so on this one.  The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time.  I am quite disappointed with this CD.  The original music didn't need anything else.  I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy.  Avoid this CD if possible.  It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023.  A waste of money.

  -Bruce D.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-21 by atm655@verizon.net

Bullshit again.

From: gino wong

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:14 PM

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Richard is the the gay one who plays piano.

BTW T Dream has been shit since 1988 they are sounding worthwhile live these days.

gw

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:26 AM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

Wasn't his name Richard?

In a message dated 8/20/2012 11:09:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:

I had the same reaction to a Carpenters Remastered Box Set. David Carpenter screwed with the original drum sounds. He replaced a bunch of kick drums and NEVER time corrected them...ugh!

fritz

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:07 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Never underestimate the ignorance and insecurity of the revisionists.

This is why I buy still buy vinyl for music, and excellent copy VHS (burned to DVD) for pre 1990 classic TV shows.

It may seem stupid, but when I buy those, I feel secure knowing no one has done an artistic rape of the original under the guise of digital remastering music, and/or adding CGI where there was none.

I know exactly what I'm getting.

;

In sum:

If it ain't broke - don't fix it

Leave well enough alone

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi all-

I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue. Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them. The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks. In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least. Not so on this one. The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time. I am quite disappointed with this CD. The original music didn't need anything else. I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy. Avoid this CD if possible. It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023. A waste of money.

-Bruce D.

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-21 by Tom Doncourt

Now this is the mellotron list I remember !

On Aug 21, 2012, at 1:36 PM, <atm655@verizon.net>

<atm655@verizon.net> wrote:

Bullshit again.

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From: gino wong

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:14 PM

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Richard is the the gay one who plays piano.

BTW T Dream has been shit since 1988 they are sounding worthwhile live these days.

gw

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:26 AM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

Wasn't his name Richard?

In a message dated 8/20/2012 11:09:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:

I had the same reaction to a Carpenters Remastered Box Set. David Carpenter screwed with the original drum sounds. He replaced a bunch of kick drums and NEVER time corrected them...ugh!

fritz

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:07 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Never underestimate the ignorance and insecurity of the revisionists.

This is why I buy still buy vinyl for music, and excellent copy VHS (burned to DVD) for pre 1990 classic TV shows.

It may seem stupid, but when I buy those, I feel secure knowing no one has done an artistic rape of the original under the guise of digital remastering music, and/or adding CGI where there was none.

I know exactly what I'm getting.

In sum:

If it ain't broke - don't fix it

Leave well enough alone

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi all-

I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue. Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them. The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks. In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least. Not so on this one. The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time. I am quite disappointed with this CD. The original music didn't need anything else. I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy. Avoid this CD if possible. It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023. A waste of money.

-Bruce D.

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

Re: Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-21 by feline1973

yes, the 2004 "tangentization" of Epsilon in Malaysian Pale was awful - sounded like he just slapped a load of Korg M1 over the top of it.

Thankfully EMI have made the original available again on CD (as part of their Froese 3CD set).

I honestly didn't realise the Esoteric/Reactive edition of Sorceror was tangentized!?!? I am bewildered. 


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, R l <bluesrock77@...> wrote:

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>
> 
> Maybe he's taking the wrong drugs....or worse yet...no drugs at all...has anyone heard of any 'improvements' on Epsylon in Malasian Pale'?
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-22 by Bruce Daily

THAT is the cd I bought the other day that Froese screwed up.  I have the original LP from 1977, and it has much less instrumentation on it.

  -Bruce D.

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 From: feline1973 <feline1@feline1.co.uk>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:13 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Froese keeps screwing up

What edition was it you had of the Sorcerer soundtrack?

Esoteric/Reactive released a CD on 2011 (or was it 2012) which I bought and it was fine - it hadn't been "tangentized" by Edgar (indeed, I doubt Edgar had anything to do with it).

--- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:

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>
> I had the same reaction to a Carpenters Remastered Box Set.  David Carpenter screwed with the original drum sounds.  He replaced a bunch of kick drums and NEVER time corrected them...ugh!
> 
> 
> fritz
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:07 am
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Never underestimate the ignorance and insecurity of the revisionists.
> 
> 
> This is why I buy still buy vinyl for music, and excellent copy VHS (burned to DVD) for pre 1990 classic TV shows.
> 
> 
> It may seem stupid, but when I buy those, I feel secure knowing no one has done an artistic rape of the original under the guise of digital remastering music, and/or adding CGI where there was none.
> 
> I know exactly what I'm getting.
> 
> 
> In sum:
> 
> If it ain't broke - don't fix it 
> 
> Leave well enough alone
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all-
>    I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue.  Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them.  The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks.  In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least.  Not so on this one.  The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time.  I am quite disappointed with this CD.  The original music didn't need anything else.  I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy.  Avoid this CD if possible.  It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023.  A waste of money.
> 
> 
>   -Bruce D.
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-22 by Bruce Daily

Thanks for the clue to the EMI Froese3CD set, I will look into that.
 
  I have always regretted not buying Ypsilon back in the '70s.  I remember it in the import section of a nice little college record store in Ft. Collins called "Bach or Rock" (say it fast).  I did buy Phaedra, Aqua, and Macula Transfer there, which I still have.
 
  One can understand when a stark problem with an old recording can stick in an artist's (or producer's) craw.  An example is the dissonant cymbal strike in the Moodie's "For My Lady".  The experienced listener expects to hear it, but in recent editions the volume of it is reduced a bit.  McCartney completely removed the one "tinkle" sound in the new mix of  "Maybe I'm Amazed", and I miss it.  But I disagree with artists who decide that the original performances need remixing with new sounds and phrases to the point that they loose the original feel & structure.  Are they really that insecure about the originals?  In contrast, a 5.1 surround mix is expected to be different, but not too much.  I accept that.  But, if the original stereo recording is subject to an update, at least offer both for comparison.
 
  -Bruce D.
 
 

________________________________
 From: feline1973 <feline1@feline1.co.uk>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:47 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Froese keeps screwing up
  

 
   
 
yes, the 2004 "tangentization" of Epsilon in Malaysian Pale was awful - sounded like he just slapped a load of Korg M1 over the top of it.

Thankfully EMI have made the original available again on CD (as part of their Froese 3CD set).

I honestly didn't realise the Esoteric/Reactive edition of Sorceror was tangentized!?!? I am bewildered. 

--- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, R l <bluesrock77@...> wrote:

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>
> 
> Maybe he's taking the wrong drugs....or worse yet...no drugs at all...has anyone heard of any 'improvements' on Epsylon in Malasian Pale'?
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-22 by JAMES STRAUSS

I guess I'm fortunate I bought the original vinyl of Ypsilon in Malaysian Pale, found it in the audiophile section of the old Penquin Feather strores.
I bought it on a hunch and eventually recognized a piece from it on the TV show "Cosmos" when it first aired....Marouba Bay. Nice tune.
If you don't want to deal with a rerelease on CD...you can give a listen on Youtube...and see if these versions are how you remembered it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yR0LYVJjlE
 
You may find some unadulterated versions of this record posted on Youtube (to play with for your private listening pleasure).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yR0LYVJjlE

--- On Tue, 8/21/12, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Froese keeps screwing up
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 8:58 PM



  





  Thanks for the clue to the EMI Froese3CD set, I will look into that.
 
  I have always regretted not buying Ypsilon back in the '70s.  I remember it in the import section of a nice little college record store in Ft. Collins called "Bach or Rock" (say it fast).  I did buy Phaedra, Aqua, and Macula Transfer there, which I still have.
 
  One can understand when a stark problem with an old recording can stick in an artist's (or producer's) craw.  An example is the dissonant cymbal strike in the Moodie's "For My Lady".  The experienced listener expects to hear it, but in recent editions the volume of it is reduced a bit.  McCartney completely removed the one "tinkle" sound in the new mix of  "Maybe I'm Amazed", and I miss it.  But I disagree with artists who decide that the original performances need remixing with new sounds and phrases to the point that they loose the original feel & structure.  Are they really that insecure about the originals?  In contrast, a 5.1 surround mix is expected to be different, but not too much.  I accept that.  But, if the original stereo recording is subject to an update, at least offer both for comparison.
 
  -Bruce D.
 





From: feline1973 <feline1@feline1.co.uk>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:47 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Froese keeps screwing up



  

yes, the 2004 "tangentization" of Epsilon in Malaysian Pale was awful - sounded like he just slapped a load of Korg M1 over the top of it.

Thankfully EMI have made the original available again on CD (as part of their Froese 3CD set).

I honestly didn't realise the Esoteric/Reactive edition of Sorceror was tangentized!?!? I am bewildered. 

--- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, R l <bluesrock77@...> wrote:

Show quoted textHide quoted text

>
> 
> Maybe he's taking the wrong drugs....or worse yet...no drugs at all...has anyone heard of any 'improvements' on Epsylon in Malasian Pale'?
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-22 by lsf5275@aol.com

Clay,

Shouldn't somebody (Not me) get thrown out of the group by now?

Wait... oops that was the old group. Never mind.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:

I remember now. That's trivial.

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:33 PM, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:

About what ?

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:30 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

Maybe he's taking the wrong drugs....or worse yet...no drugs at all...has anyone heard of any 'improvements' on Epsylon in Malasian Pale'?

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: wonggster@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:21:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

The Stratosfear update was scary.

Apparently He and Jerome are at loggerheads over this

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:15 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, after he tried to 'improve' and 'update' Phaedra, I stopped buying anything from TD...truly disgusting....

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: pocotron@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:09:01 -0700
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Hi all-
I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue. Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them. The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks. In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least. Not so on this one. The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time. I am quite disappointed with this CD. The original music didn't need anything else. I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy. Avoid this CD if possible. It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023. A waste of money.

-Bruce D.

--
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

--
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC
Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-22 by gino wong

Does TD have a real Mellotron anymore ? I mean a tape one.

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On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:23 AM, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

Clay,

Shouldn't somebody (Not me) get thrown out of the group by now?

Wait... oops that was the old group. Never mind.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:

I remember now. That's trivial.

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:33 PM, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:

About what ?

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:30 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

Maybe he's taking the wrong drugs....or worse yet...no drugs at all...has anyone heard of any 'improvements' on Epsylon in Malasian Pale'?

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: wonggster@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:21:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

The Stratosfear update was scary.

Apparently He and Jerome are at loggerheads over this

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:15 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, after he tried to 'improve' and 'update' Phaedra, I stopped buying anything from TD...truly disgusting....

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: pocotron@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:09:01 -0700
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Hi all-
I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue. Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them. The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks. In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least. Not so on this one. The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time. I am quite disappointed with this CD. The original music didn't need anything else. I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy. Avoid this CD if possible. It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023. A waste of money.

-Bruce D.

--
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

--
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BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

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--
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BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

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BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-22 by Tony

I’ve been a fan of their for decades.

Don’t think they’re using a tape Mellotron anymore.

Seems to me that studio work would be feasible, but Edgar never asks me for my opinion.

Tony

From: gino wong

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:25 AM

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Does TD have a real Mellotron anymore ? I mean a tape one.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:23 AM, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

Clay,

Shouldn't somebody (Not me) get thrown out of the group by now?

Wait... oops that was the old group. Never mind.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

gino wong &mailto:lt%3Bwonggster@gmail.com> wrote:

I remember now. That's trivial.

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:33 PM, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:

About what ?

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:30 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

Maybe he's taking the wrong drugs....or worse yet...no drugs at all...has anyone heard of any 'improvements' on Epsylon in Malasian Pale'?

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: wonggster@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:21:58 -0400

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

The Stratosfear update was scary.

Apparently He and Jerome are at loggerheads over this

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:15 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, after he tried to 'improve' and 'update' Phaedra, I stopped buying anything from TD...truly disgusting....

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: pocotron@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:09:01 -0700
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Hi all-

I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue. Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them. The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks. In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least. Not so on this one. The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time. I am quite disappointed with this CD. The original music didn't need anything else. I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy. Avoid this CD if possible. It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023. A waste of money.

-Bruce D.

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

--

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BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-22 by Tony

There was a minor debate among us members awhile back, over the spelling of that album.
This should put it to rest, as I have two copies, one Eplison and one Ypsilon.
Moving soon, so if this doesn’t stop the debate, I’ll post pictures of both albums artwork.
Tony

From: JAMES STRAUSS 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:26 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Froese keeps screwing up

  
      I guess I'm fortunate I bought the original vinyl of Ypsilon in Malaysian Pale, found it in the audiophile section of the old Penquin Feather strores.
      I bought it on a hunch and eventually recognized a piece from it on the TV show "Cosmos" when it first aired....Marouba Bay. Nice tune.
      If you don't want to deal with a rerelease on CD...you can give a listen on Youtube...and see if these versions are how you remembered it.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yR0LYVJjlE

      You may find some unadulterated versions of this record posted on Youtube (to play with for your private listening pleasure).
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yR0LYVJjlE

      --- On Tue, 8/21/12, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:


        From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
        Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Froese keeps screwing up
        To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
        Date: Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 8:58 PM


          
          Thanks for the clue to the EMI Froese3CD set, I will look into that.

          I have always regretted not buying Ypsilon back in the '70s.  I remember it in the import section of a nice little college record store in Ft. Collins called "Bach or Rock" (say it fast).  I did buy Phaedra, Aqua, and Macula Transfer there, which I still have.

          One can understand when a stark problem with an old recording can stick in an artist's (or producer's) craw.  An example is the dissonant cymbal strike in the Moodie's "For My Lady".  The experienced listener expects to hear it, but in recent editions the volume of it is reduced a bit.  McCartney completely removed the one "tinkle" sound in the new mix of  "Maybe I'm Amazed", and I miss it.  But I disagree with artists who decide that the original performances need remixing with new sounds and phrases to the point that they loose the original feel & structure.  Are they really that insecure about the originals?  In contrast, a 5.1 surround mix is expected to be different, but not too much.  I accept that.  But, if the original stereo recording is subject to an update, at least offer both for comparison.

          -Bruce D.


        From: feline1973 <feline1@feline1.co.uk>
        To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
        Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:47 AM
        Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Froese keeps screwing up


          
        yes, the 2004 "tangentization" of Epsilon in Malaysian Pale was awful - sounded like he just slapped a load of Korg M1 over the top of it.

        Thankfully EMI have made the original available again on CD (as part of their Froese 3CD set).

        I honestly didn't realise the Esoteric/Reactive edition of Sorceror was tangentized!?!? I am bewildered. 

        --- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, R l <bluesrock77@...> wrote:

Show quoted textHide quoted text

        >
        > 
        > Maybe he's taking the wrong drugs....or worse yet...no drugs at all...has anyone heard of any 'improvements' on Epsylon in Malasian Pale'?
        >

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-22 by lsf5275@aol.com

Froese got one of the first M4000s from Streetly.
 
 
In a message dated 8/22/2012 11:25:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
wonggster@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
Does TD have a real Mellotron anymore ? I mean a tape one.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:23 AM, _lsf5275@aol.com_ 
(mailto:lsf5275@aol.com)  <_lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) > wrote:


 
 
 
 
Clay,


Shouldn't somebody (Not me) get thrown out of the group by  now?


Wait... oops that was the old group. Never mind.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE  DROID



gino wong &_lt;wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:lt;wonggster@gmail.com) >  
wrote:



I remember now. That's trivial.



On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:33 PM, gino wong <_wonggster@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:wonggster@gmail.com) > wrote:


About  what ?  
 



On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:30 PM, R l <_bluesrock77@hotmail.com_ 
(mailto:bluesrock77@hotmail.com) > wrote:



 
 
 
 
Maybe he's taking the wrong drugs....or worse yet...no drugs at  all...has 
anyone heard of any 'improvements' on Epsylon in Malasian  Pale'?



 

 
____________________________________
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)

Show quoted textHide quoted text

From: _wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com) 
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:21:58  -0400

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing  up

The Stratosfear update was scary.

Apparently He and Jerome are at loggerheads over  this 

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:15 PM, R l <_bluesrock77@hotmail.com_ 
(mailto:bluesrock77@hotmail.com) > wrote:

Well, after he tried to 'improve' and 'update' Phaedra, I stopped  buying 
anything from TD...truly disgusting....

____________________________________
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
From: _pocotron@yahoo.com_ (mailto:pocotron@yahoo.com) 
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012  23:09:01 -0700

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps  screwing up  

Hi all-
   I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011  issue.  Once again, Mr. 
Froese has screwed with the tracks,  seemingly "updating" them.  The 'trons 
are mostly present, but a  lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away 
from the brilliant  simplicity of the original tracks.  In the late '90s, 
his efforts  at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited 
somehow on  the recordings, so we had some warning at least.  Not so on this  one. 
 The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original  recordings 
stood the test of time.  I am quite disappointed with  this CD.  The original 
music didn't need anything else.  I  simply was hoping to get a sound that 
was better than the old MCA  pressing, which was poorly done & noisy.  Avoid 
this CD if  possible.  It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023.  A  waste of 
money.

  -Bruce D.

-- 
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,  CG, ReRED, CSEC  
Audio  Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound  Design

_Ginowong@gmail.com_ (mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com) 

-- 
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BSComm, BSEE,  CG, ReRED, CSEC  
Audio  Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound  Design

_Ginowong@gmail.com_ (mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com) 

-- 
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG,  ReRED, CSEC  
Audio  Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound  Design

_Ginowong@gmail.com_ (mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com) 

-- 
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, CG,  ReRED, CSEC  
Audio Mastering,  Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

_Ginowong@gmail.com_ (mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com)

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-22 by tronbros@aol.com

In a message dated 22/08/2012 16:57:33 GMT Daylight Time, lsf5275@aol.com  
writes:

Froese got one of the first M4000s from  Streetly.



Absolutely...............................................NOT!
 
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic 

_www.mellotronics.com_ (http://www.mellotronics.com/)

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-22 by gino wong

Most of their live rig was Mellotrons at one point, little else was polyphonic.

Funny now, patch storage and polyphony was a glimmer in our imaginations, I wish it had come about differently

g

Show quoted textHide quoted text

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:56 AM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

Froese got one of the first M4000s from Streetly.

In a message dated 8/22/2012 11:25:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wonggster@gmail.com writes:

Does TD have a real Mellotron anymore ? I mean a tape one.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:23 AM, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

Clay,

Shouldn't somebody (Not me) get thrown out of the group by now?

Wait... oops that was the old group. Never mind.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:

I remember now. That's trivial.

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:33 PM, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:

About what ?

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:30 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

Maybe he's taking the wrong drugs....or worse yet...no drugs at all...has anyone heard of any 'improvements' on Epsylon in Malasian Pale'?

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: wonggster@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:21:58 -0400

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

The Stratosfear update was scary.

Apparently He and Jerome are at loggerheads over this

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:15 PM, R l <bluesrock77@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, after he tried to 'improve' and 'update' Phaedra, I stopped buying anything from TD...truly disgusting....

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: pocotron@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:09:01 -0700
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

Hi all-

I just got the Sorcerer filmtrack cd, a 2011 issue. Once again, Mr. Froese has screwed with the tracks, seemingly "updating" them. The 'trons are mostly present, but a lot of new sounds have been added, which takes away from the brilliant simplicity of the original tracks. In the late '90s, his efforts at fortifying old Tangerine Dream re-issues were credited somehow on the recordings, so we had some warning at least. Not so on this one. The CD notes are extensive, and indicate that the original recordings stood the test of time. I am quite disappointed with this CD. The original music didn't need anything else. I simply was hoping to get a sound that was better than the old MCA pressing, which was poorly done & noisy. Avoid this CD if possible. It has a "Reactive" label, # EREACD 1023. A waste of money.

-Bruce D.

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE, CG, ReRED, CSEC

Audio Mastering, Recording & Logistics, Analog Sound Design

Ginowong@gmail.com

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-22 by lsf5275@aol.com

Really? Sorry then. I could have sworn that I saw something online that he did and was doing some live shows with it. I stand corrected.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

tronbros@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 22/08/2012 16:57:33 GMT Daylight Time, lsf5275@aol.com writes:

Froese got one of the first M4000s from Streetly.

Absolutely...............................................NOT!

Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

www.mellotronics.com

Re: Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-22 by feline1973

Bruce, I am mildly gobsmacked - I never noticed the extra stuff at all. I asked yesterday on the Tangerine Dream yahoogroup too, and no-one was aware of any overdubs on the Esoteric CD! How perplexing!


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:

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>
> THAT is theÂ cd I bought the other day thatÂ Froese screwed up.Â  I have the original LP from 1977, and it has much less instrumentation on it.
> Â 
> Â  -Bruce D.
> Â 
>  
>

Re: Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-22 by feline1973

Now James, I'm sure the original vinyl editions didn't have shitty low bit rate lossy digital compression on them and continual f*cking google adverts popping up the whole way though :)


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@...> wrote:

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>
> I guess I'm fortunate I bought the original vinyl of Ypsilon in Malaysian Pale, found it in the audiophile section of the old Penquin Feather strores.
> I bought it on a hunch and eventually recognized a piece from it on the TV show "Cosmos" when it first aired....Marouba Bay. Nice tune.
> If you don't want to deal with a rerelease on CD...you can give a listen on Youtube...and see if these versions are how you remembered it.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yR0LYVJjlE
> Â 
> You may find some unadulterated versions of this record posted on Youtube (to play with for your private listening pleasure).
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yR0LYVJjlE
> 
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-22 by JAMES STRAUSS

Marouba Bay, I converted it, put it on my iPod....listened to it a few times, haven't heard any ads............he heh.
As for the shitty low bit rate lossy digital compression, well, yeah, but you get what you pay for.
I paid nothing.
Think did ok.

--- On Wed, 8/22/12, feline1973 <feline1@feline1.co.uk> wrote:

From: feline1973 <feline1@feline1.co.uk>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Froese keeps screwing up
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 2:04 PM

Now James, I'm sure the original vinyl editions didn't have shitty low bit rate lossy digital compression on them and continual f*cking google adverts popping up the whole way though :)

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@...> wrote:

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>
> I guess I'm fortunate I bought the original vinyl of Ypsilon in Malaysian Pale, found it in the audiophile section of the old Penquin Feather strores.
> I bought it on a hunch and eventually recognized a piece from it on the TV show "Cosmos" when it first aired....Marouba Bay. Nice tune.
> If you don't want to deal with a rerelease on CD...you can give a listen on Youtube...and see if these versions are how you remembered it.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yR0LYVJjlE
> Â 
> You may find some unadulterated versions of this record posted on Youtube (to play with for your private listening pleasure).
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yR0LYVJjlE
> 
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........

2012-08-22 by JAMES STRAUSS

.....that's what I am."

Submitted for your amusement.

Someone got the idea to string all Mike Pinder's Mellotron stuff end to end.

(No singing - sure that will be a relief to a few of you guys that don't like the MB).

.....just a compendium of what Mike did on the keys in the early days.

Not sure all of this is even Mellotron, as I believe Question and EGBDF had some synthesizer in it, but it is entertaining to hear the variety of sound from one guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpLaCSVR_0o&feature=related

Enjoy, ........or torture someone with it.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........

2012-08-22 by marabus

James,
Thanks for the link.
Pete

On 8/22/12 7:16 PM, JAMES STRAUSS wrote:

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.....that's what I am."

Submitted for your amusement.

Someone got the idea to string all Mike Pinder's Mellotron stuff end to end.

(No singing - sure that will be a relief to a few of you guys that don't like the MB).

.....just a compendium of what Mike did on the keys in the early days.

Not sure all of this is even Mellotron, as I believe Question and EGBDF had some synthesizer in it, but it is entertaining to hear the variety of sound from one guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpLaCSVR_0o&feature=related

Enjoy, ........or torture someone with it.

RE: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........

2012-08-23 by R l

It's only Mellotron but I like it...hahaha

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: marabus@charter.net
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:59:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........

James,
Thanks for the link.
Pete

Show quoted textHide quoted text

On 8/22/12 7:16 PM, JAMES STRAUSS wrote:

.....that's what I am."

Submitted for your amusement.

Someone got the idea to string all Mike Pinder's Mellotron stuff end to end.

(No singing - sure that will be a relief to a few of you guys that don't like the MB).

.....just a compendium of what Mike did on the keys in the early days.

Not sure all of this is even Mellotron, as I believe Question and EGBDF had some synthesizer in it, but it is entertaining to hear the variety of sound from one guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpLaCSVR_0o&feature=related

Enjoy, ........or torture someone with it.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-23 by john barrick

I volunteer Martin.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:23 AM, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

Clay,

Shouldn't somebody (Not me) get thrown out of the group by now?

Wait... oops that was the old group. Never mind.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

--

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*

*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

Re: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........

2012-08-23 by lsf5275@aol.com

Charles did this. Nice work.
 
 
In a message dated 8/22/2012 7:16:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jandjstrz@verizon.net writes:

 
 
 
.....that's what I am."  
 
Submitted for your amusement. 
Someone got the idea to string all Mike Pinder's Mellotron stuff  end to 
end. 
(No singing - sure that will be a relief to a few of you guys that  don't 
like the MB).
.....just a compendium of what Mike did on the keys in the early  days.
Not sure all of this is even Mellotron, as I believe Question and  EGBDF 
had some synthesizer in it, but it is entertaining to hear the  variety of 
sound from one guy.
 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpLaCSVR_0o&feature=related_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpLaCSVR_0o&feature=related) 

Enjoy, ........or torture someone with  it.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........

2012-08-23 by Vance Pomeroy

Charles - Are you still on with us?? Nice - very nice.
Vance

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On 8/23/2012 12:01 AM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
>
> Charles did this. Nice work.
> In a message dated 8/22/2012 7:16:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> jandjstrz@verizon.net writes:
>
>     .....that's what I am."
>     Submitted for your amusement.
>     Someone got the idea to string all Mike Pinder's Mellotron stuff
>     end to end.
>     (No singing - sure that will be a relief to a few of you guys that
>     don't like the MB).
>     .....just a compendium of what Mike did on the keys in the early days.
>     Not sure all of this is even Mellotron, as I believe Question and
>     EGBDF had some synthesizer in it, but it is entertaining to hear
>     the variety of sound from one guy.
>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpLaCSVR_0o&feature=related
>     Enjoy, ........or torture someone with it.
>
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........

2012-08-23 by John Wright

I've been wondering if Charles was a list member. There is a lot of good music from Char-el.

John

#911

Re: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........

2012-08-24 by JAMES STRAUSS

Really cool Mellotron at 5:58...............

--- On Thu, 8/23/12, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

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From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 3:01 AM

Charles did this. Nice work.

In a message dated 8/22/2012 7:16:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon.net writes:

.....that's what I am."  

Submitted for your amusement. 
Someone got the idea to string all Mike Pinder's Mellotron stuff end to end. 
(No singing - sure that will be a relief to a few of you guys that don't like the MB).
.....just a compendium of what Mike did on the keys in the early days.
Not sure all of this is even Mellotron, as I believe Question and EGBDF had some synthesizer in it, but it is entertaining to hear the variety of sound from one guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpLaCSVR_0o&feature=related

Enjoy, ........or torture someone with it.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-24 by tronbros

and I second that...

mellotronics.com on my iPad

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On 23 Aug 2012, at 02:04, john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com> wrote:

> I volunteer Martin.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:23 AM, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
>  
> Clay,
> 
> Shouldn't somebody (Not me) get thrown out of the group by now?
> 
> Wait... oops that was the old group. Never mind.
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
> 
> 
> -- 
> john barrick
> 
> *Leo got it right the first time*
> *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
> 
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Froese keeps screwing up

2012-08-24 by lsf5275@aol.com

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tronbros <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:

and I second that...

mellotronics.com on my iPad

On 23 Aug 2012, at 02:04, john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com> wrote:

I volunteer Martin.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:23 AM, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

Clay,

Shouldn't somebody (Not me) get thrown out of the group by now?

Wait... oops that was the old group. Never mind.

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--
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

Re: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........

2012-09-13 by Bruce Daily

A nice bit, thanks.
  The related videos on the page led me to the "Moody Blues - Higher & Higher/Out & In" video, a 1974 sound-only recording from Japan.  Poorly recorded (probably from the audience), it is still an example of how good the MK2 can sound when the motor is servo controlled and the line voltage is stable.  Pinder has full possesion of the instrument.  Worth a listen.

  -Bruce D.

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 From: JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@verizon.net>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........

Really cool Mellotron at 5:58...............

--- On Thu, 8/23/12, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

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>From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
>Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........
>To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 3:01 AM
>
>
>  
>Charles did this. Nice work. 
>
>In a message dated 8/22/2012 7:16:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon.net writes: 
>  
>>.....that's what I am."   
>>
>>Submitted for your amusement.  
>>Someone got the idea to string all Mike Pinder's Mellotron stuff end to end.  
>>(No singing - sure that will be a relief to a few of you guys that don't like the MB). 
>>.....just a compendium of what Mike did on the keys in the early days. 
>>Not sure all of this is even Mellotron, as I believe Question and EGBDF had some synthesizer in it, but it is entertaining to hear the variety of sound from one guy. 
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpLaCSVR_0o&feature=related 
>>Enjoy, ........or torture someone with it.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........

2012-09-13 by marabus

Bruce,
Thanks for the tip-listened to it-real cool!
Pete

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On 9/13/12 12:39 AM, Bruce Daily wrote:
>
>
>   A nice bit, thanks.
>   The related videos on the page led me to the "Moody Blues - Higher & 
> Higher/Out & In" video, a 1974 sound-only recording from Japan.  
> Poorly recorded (probably from the audience), it is still an example 
> of how good the MK2 can sound when the motor is servo controlled and 
> the line voltage is stable.  Pinder has full possesion of the 
> instrument.  Worth a listen.
>   -Bruce D.
>
> *From:* JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@verizon.net>
> *To:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 7:40 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........
> Really cool Mellotron at 5:58...............
>
> --- On *Thu, 8/23/12, lsf5275@aol.com /<lsf5275@aol.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
>     Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........
>     To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 3:01 AM
>
>     Charles did this. Nice work.
>     In a message dated 8/22/2012 7:16:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>     jandjstrz@verizon.net writes:
>
>         .....that's what I am."
>         Submitted for your amusement.
>         Someone got the idea to string all Mike Pinder's Mellotron
>         stuff end to end.
>         (No singing - sure that will be a relief to a few of you guys
>         that don't like the MB).
>         .....just a compendium of what Mike did on the keys in the
>         early days.
>         Not sure all of this is even Mellotron, as I believe Question
>         and EGBDF had some synthesizer in it, but it is entertaining
>         to hear the variety of sound from one guy.
>         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpLaCSVR_0o&feature=related
>         <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpLaCSVR_0o&feature=related>
>         Enjoy, ........or torture someone with it.
>
>
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........

2012-09-13 by JAMES STRAUSS

I believe that was the Osaka bootleg made by an audience member...not great quality but apparently the guy was close enough to Pinder to pick up his playing and it is pretty good stuff...
Pinder really has control of the volume pedal dand is oing some nice fades and does some good things on Out and In and at the conclusion of Have You Heard.

--- On Thu, 9/13/12, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:

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From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, September 13, 2012, 12:39 AM

  A nice bit, thanks.
  The related videos on the page led me to the "Moody Blues - Higher & Higher/Out & In" video, a 1974 sound-only recording from Japan.  Poorly recorded (probably from the audience), it is still an example of how good the MK2 can sound when the motor is servo controlled and the line voltage is stable.  Pinder has full possesion of the instrument.  Worth a listen.

  -Bruce D.

From: JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@verizon.net>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........

Really cool Mellotron at 5:58...............

--- On Thu, 8/23/12, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] "I'm a Mellotrony Man, .........
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 3:01 AM

Charles did this. Nice work.

In a message dated 8/22/2012 7:16:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon.net writes:

.....that's what I am."  

Submitted for your amusement. 
Someone got the idea to string all Mike Pinder's Mellotron stuff end to end. 
(No singing - sure that will be a relief to a few of you guys that don't like the MB).
.....just a compendium of what Mike did on the keys in the early days.
Not sure all of this is even Mellotron, as I believe Question and EGBDF had some synthesizer in it, but it is entertaining to hear the variety of sound from one guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpLaCSVR_0o&feature=related
Enjoy, ........or torture someone with it.