The Mellotron Group

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> Sorry Mark, that's Caravan. Camel did "Badminton  Boy."
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> In a message dated 1/13/2010 7:30:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> markpringnz@... writes:
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> My memory is going off a bit, probably the smell of roasted mouse shit  
> coming out of the tron, so if I have asked this before forgive me.
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> _http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo&<WBR>feature=re_ 
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lST4QCeQsCc&feature=related) 
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> The  kink should take you to Golf Girl by Camel. Until recently I would 
> have sworn  they were using Mark II 3 violins.
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> It isn't listed at Planet Mellotron,  so is it tron an unusual use if so.
>

From: "markpringnz" <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:24 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Tronspotting Camel again


> My memory is going off a bit, probably the smell of roasted mouse shit 
> coming out of the tron, so if I have asked this before forgive me.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lST4QCeQsCc&feature=related
>
> The kink should take you to Golf Girl by Camel. Until recently I would 
> have sworn they were using Mark II 3 violins.
>
> It isn't listed at Planet Mellotron, so is it tron an unusual use if so.


It is if you look at Caravan  :-)

Andy T.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "markpringnz" <_markpringnz@markpring_ (mailto:markpringnz@yahoo.com) 
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To:  <_newmellotrongroup@newmellotronnew_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) >
Sent:  Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:24 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup]  Tronspotting Camel again

> My memory is going off a bit, probably  the smell of roasted mouse shit 
> coming out of the tron, so if I have  asked this before forgive me.
>
> _http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo&<WBR>feature=re_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lST4QCeQsCc&feature=related) 
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>  The kink should take you to Golf Girl by Camel. Until recently I would  
> have sworn they were using Mark II 3 violins.
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> It  isn't listed at Planet Mellotron, so is it tron an unusual use if  so.

It is if you look at Caravan :-)

Andy T.

From: lsf5275@aol.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tronspotting Camel again
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 2:51 PM

Mark turned his brain on and started typing without allowing for a sufficient time to warm up and get his mental flywheel up to speed. ;-)

In a message dated 1/14/2010 7:02:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, andy.thompson@ virgin.net writes:

----- Original Message -----
From: "markpringnz" <markpringnz@ yahoo.com>
To: <;newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:24 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Tronspotting Camel again

> My memory is going off a bit, probably the smell of roasted mouse shit
> coming out of the tron, so if I have asked this before forgive me.
>
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=lST4QCeQsCc& feature=related
>
> The kink should take you to Golf Girl by Camel. Until recently I would
> have sworn they were using Mark II 3 violins.
>
> It isn't listed at Planet Mellotron, so is it tron an unusual use if so.

It is if you look at Caravan :-)

Andy T.

On Jan 14, 2010, at 9:36 PM, David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu> wrote:

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> Just returned from my first day at NAMM, Saw Markus with the new
> digital Mellotron. It sounds and plays great. Although it is still in
> prototype stage you can play two sounds on it (3 Violins and Flute).
> Eventually he will have over 100 loaded (including the entire
> mellotron, optigin, and chamberlin sounds). What is REALLY cool is
> that he uses the original SM400 keyboard... Completely wood with the
> same length all the way back into the keyboard cartridge. in fact it
> looks and feels exactly like a Mellotron keyboard unit. Completely
> built out of wood and metal like the original, Very nice.
>
> It was sitting in top of his new Mellotron and it sounded identical.
>
> He said that he is looking at production models in two or three  
> months.
>
>

From: David Jacques
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 4:42 PM

I was referring to the NEW mellotron keyboard that Markus designed for his Model 400. That has a pretty good feel to it. There is no way I would want to gig with my original SM400 keyboard!

On Jan 14, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Mark Pring wrote:

Can't see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's horrible! A nice weighted keyboard action would have been better. I suppose if you are used to tron action you might prefer it, but if you are used to tron action you probably won't be buying one of these.

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, David Jacques wrote:

From: David Jacques
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 3:36 PM

Just returned from my first day at NAMM, Saw Markus with the new
digital Mellotron. It sounds and plays great. Although it is still in
prototype stage you can play two sounds on it (3 Violins and Flute).
Eventually he will have over 100 loaded (including the entire
mellotron, optigin, and chamberlin sounds). What is REALLY cool is
that he uses the original SM400 keyboard... Completely wood with the
same length all the way back into the keyboard cartridge. in fact it
looks and feels exactly like a Mellotron keyboard unit. Completely
built out of wood and metal like the original, Very nice.

It was sitting in top of his new Mellotron and it sounded identical.

He said that he is looking at production models in two or three months.

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> I haven't played one of those, how does it compare to an M4000?
> 
> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, David Jacques <djacques@...> wrote:
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> From: David Jacques <djacques@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 4:42 PM
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> On Jan 14, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Mark Pring wrote:
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> Can't see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's horrible! A nice weighted keyboard action would have been better. I suppose if you are used to tron action you might prefer it, but if you are used to tron action you probably won't be buying one of these.
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> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, David Jacques <djacques@csulb. edu> wrote:
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> From: David Jacques <djacques@csulb. edu>
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 3:36 PM
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> Just returned from my first day at NAMM, Saw Markus with the new 
> digital Mellotron. It sounds and plays great. Although it is still in 
> prototype stage you can play two sounds on it (3 Violins and Flute). 
> Eventually he will have over 100 loaded (including the entire 
> mellotron, optigin, and chamberlin sounds). What is REALLY cool is 
> that he uses the original SM400 keyboard... Completely wood with the 
> same length all the way back into the keyboard cartridge. in fact it 
> looks and feels exactly like a Mellotron keyboard unit. Completely 
> built out of wood and metal like the original, Very nice.
> 
> It was sitting in top of his new Mellotron and it sounded identical.
> 
> He said that he is looking at production models in two or three months. 
>

Remember that "WTF!" moment when you first played one?


--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Mark Pring wrote:
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> I haven't played one of those, how does it compare to an M4000?
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> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, David Jacques wrote:
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>; Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 4:42 PM
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> On Jan 14, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Mark Pring wrote:
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> Can't see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's horrible! A nice weighted keyboard action would have been better. I suppose if you are used to tron action you might prefer it, but if you are used to tron action you probably won't be buying one of these.
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> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, David Jacques  wrote:
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> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 3:36 PM
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> mellotron, optigin, and chamberlin sounds). What is REALLY cool isÂ
> that he uses the original SM400 keyboard... Completely wood with theÂ
> same length all the way back into the keyboard cartridge. in fact itÂ
> looks and feels exactly like a Mellotron keyboard unit. CompletelyÂ
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> In a message dated 1/14/2010 10:35:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:
>> Can't  see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's
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From: lsf5275@aol.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:22 PM

Maybe the action on yours is horrible. The actions on the ones I own and have worked on are very light and very fast.

In a message dated 1/14/2010 10:35:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, markpringnz@ yahoo.com writes:

Can't see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's horrible!

>
> Maybe the action on yours is horrible. The actions on the ones I own and  
> have worked on are very light and very fast.
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/14/2010 10:35:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> markpringnz@... writes:
> 
> Can't  see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's 
> horrible!
>

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Doncourt
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:10 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report


  

	I have no complaints with my mellotron action, it's distinct to
itself and makes me feel very aware of the tapes underneath it. I hate
playing mellotron samples on a cheap plastic remote keyboard.It seems
considerate to me to use a similar action to the original on a dedicated
digital mellotron, I would want this thing to be as close to the
original instrument as possible in every way (except the weight and
bulk).
	The Nord wave also promised the entire Mellotron and Chamberlin
library but has never actually come through on this to my knowledge.
	 
	 
	   
	
	There are many issues involved in getting the keyboard right. I
can assure you that there is no "spongy" feel to my M4000 keyboard, nor
could that term be used to describe the feel of the keyboards of the
machines coming out of my shop.
	 
	In a message dated 1/15/2010 3:46:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:
	

		
		
		I can't remember who said it but playing a mellotron and
certainly the  M4000 I played can only be described as playing a sponge.

>
> Hi Frank,
> My tron playing experience is limited to 2 machines. The first mellotron I played was the first production model of the M4000 shortly before it was shipped. I have always assumed that the keyboard action of that machine was correctly adjusted.
> I have spent many happy hours working on the keyboard of #1565 which is the second mellotron I played, I have aimed to get a similar action to the M4000 Â and have largely succeeded. I don't think it is quite as light as the M4000 but certainly it's a lot different to what I started out with which was much worse, playing it then was quite a good upper body work out.
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> I would be interested to compare both machines to a Mark VI but the photos I have seen don't suggest that the feel would be much different.
> I can't remember who said it but playing a mellotron and certainly the M4000 I played can only be described as playing a sponge.
> Don't get me wrong, I love my mellotron  but I am not blind to its limitations. Compared to playing a piano or a good weighted action keyboard it has the action from hell. Just my opinion.
> Mark
> 
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> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, lsf5275@... <lsf5275@...> wrote:
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> From: lsf5275@... <lsf5275@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:22 PM
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> In a message dated 1/14/2010 10:35:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
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-----Original Message-----
From: tronbros@aol.com
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:42 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report


  
    
                  

In a message dated 15/01/2010 03:35:16 GMT Standard Time, markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:
Can't   see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's horrible!

Wrong!  Yours might be but that doesn't have to be the case!
 
M
 
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic 
www.mellotronics.com UPDATED
M4000 tour de force - UK trailer http://thebox-movie.warnerbros.com/
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.net 
Chloe Smith: myspace.com/chloesmithmusic

>
> I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
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> In a message dated 1/15/2010 11:18:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> tomdcour@... writes:
> 
> Any guesses as  to the price on this machine?- I could see having it for 
> live and an m4000 for  studio use but the price would be a definite  factor.
>

>
> I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
>

----- Original Message -----

From: John Wright

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM

Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb.edu
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

Its a lot lower than that.

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From: "Tron400" net>

Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000

To: yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
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> I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: gino wong 
  To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


    
  It is nothing but a ROMpler, it should be cheap. Until there is a breakthrough it has the same limitations and annoyances and excellent capabilities of a wavetable instrument or a sampler



  The Streets could have (did) done it a long time ago. If they wanted to but they obviously knew what they were doing and why.


  On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:39 PM, John Wright <john.wright@consona.com> wrote:

      

    If true, Memotron is done for.  Markus will hit  a home run if pricing is that low.



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    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



      
    Its a lot lower than that. 

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    From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox.net> 
    Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
    To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


      


    I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

    Bernie

    --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
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    > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
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-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fdoddy@aol.com




My Streetly refurb still feels pretty good after, what is it now, 7
years?! I like the fight, the pushback of a tron.  It's like playing a
guitar through a "gasp" real amplifier. Ya gotta work it.... Samples and
a MIDI keyboard are too forgiving.  Like the old Italian grandmas say
about making risotto, "The rice must feel the pain"


 
-----Original Message-----
From: tronbros@aol.com
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

  

In a message dated 15/01/2010 03:35:16 GMT Standard Time,
markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:

Can't see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's
horrible!

Wrong!  Yours might be but that doesn't have to be the case!
 
M
 
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic 
www.mellotronics. <http://www.mellotronics.com/> com UPDATED
M4000 tour de force - UK trailer http://thebox-
<http://thebox-movie.warnerbros.com/> movie.warnerbros.com/
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore  <http://JMoore6397@aol.com/>
JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink. <http://pjc56@earthlink.net/>
net 
Chloe Smith: myspace.com/ <http://myspace.com/chloesmithmusic>
chloesmithmusic

 > het volgende geschreven:\

> I think...if it sounds and feels like a Mellotron with 100 sounds  
> and its portable...I think a lot of people would be interested.
>
> It could actually not only affect the memotron but the whole used  
> market as well.
>
> Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much  
> sense anymore...
>
> But keep it a secret...
>
> // Mattias
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Wright
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
> If true, Memotron is done for.  Markus will hit  a home run if  
> pricing is that low.
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb.edu
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
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> Its a lot lower than that.
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox.net>
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
> To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
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> I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700?  
> That seems more likely, but even that could be low.
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
> >
> > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
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----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Dale

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.

Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.

This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.

If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.

Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.

This new digital version is for a different market anyway.

I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.

And rightfully so.

Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.

Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"

There's room for both.

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se> wrote:

Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...

But keep it a secret...

// Mattias

----- Original Message -----

From: John Wright

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM

Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb.edu
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

Its a lot lower than that.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox.net>

Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000

To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
>

From: John Wright
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb.edu
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


Its a lot lower than that.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

From: "Tron400"
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
To:
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report




I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com , lsf5275@... wrote:
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> I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
>

From: djacques@csulb.edu

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:27 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

Just spoke to markus. Around 1800 dollars and production in three to four months.

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From: mattias <Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se>

Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:09:51 +0100

To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

I think it all depends on how it is done. If it is a note for note sample full length...

And if the price is 2700 well..

I use my Mellotrons and old machines in the studio everyday but There are very few of my clients who actually gives a shit if its a Mellotron flute, Flute 2 or a Chamberlin flute. Ill give them suggestions...but in the end they decide and they pay the invoices. The people on this list care but in the “real”world a high quality collection of note for note samples in a dedicated machine could go a very long way...

Computers and midi keyboards will never be sexy.

// Mattias



Den 2010-01-15 20.53, skrev "Chris Dale" gmail.com>:

Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.


Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.

This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.

If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.

Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.


This new digital version is for a different market anyway.

I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.

And rightfully so.

Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.

Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"

There's room for both.








On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson comhem.se> wrote:

Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...

But keep it a secret...

// Mattias




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If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

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Its a lot lower than that.

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I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

Bernie

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> I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
>

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Don't all guitars sound the same?
 
In a message dated 1/15/2010 3:03:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rick@rickblechta.com writes:

	
	But you are correct in general. Would we expect a Strat to sound
just like a Les Paul? Same thing with any instrument.

>
> I think someone posted       $1,600-$1,900.00
>

        >
        > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
        >

From: John Wright
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
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If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

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Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
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Its a lot lower than that.

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From: "Tron400"
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
To:
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report




I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com , lsf5275@... wrote:
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> I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
>

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Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
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Hey Fritz,
 
I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
 
Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
 
Best,
Tony
 
 
  
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Be very wary of   buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look   for.  If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in   your set up for a while.

Gonna be tough finding something that's over   32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to   spend.

Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient   but sound like shit.

Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you   can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute   nightmares.

New stuff?  I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB   series.  They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net   you 64 discrete inputs.  They sound very nice too for the   money.

SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey.  It would be   my desert island desk.  We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it   :>)

fd

  


  
  


  


  
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Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about   every musical instrument around.
  
I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an   honest reccomendation fellas!
  
Thanks in advance,
  
 
  
Tony
  
Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
  
 
  
    
-----     Original Message ----- 
    
From:     Chris Dale 
    
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Sent:     Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
    
Subject:     Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    


      
    
    
 
    
Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin"     market.  If you ever had one or ever played one you'd     know.
    
 
    
 
    
Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real     Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK     II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or     M300 if they're coming from an M400.
    
 
    
This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons     over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
    
 
    
If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you     can tell.
    
 
    
Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best.       No A and B comparison can be made.
    
 
    
 
    
This new digital version is for a different market anyway. 
    
 
    
I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital     tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
    
 
    
And rightfully so.
    
 
    
Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an     original tape version. 
    
 
    
Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will     buy an authorized "tribute version" 
    
 
    
There's room for both. 
    
 
    
 
    
 
    
 
    
 
    
 
    
 
    
 
    
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se>     wrote:
    
      
        
      
      
      
      
Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont       really make as much sense anymore...
      
 
      
But keep it a secret...
      
 
      
// Mattias
      
      
 
      
 
      
 
      
 
      
 
      
        
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If true, Memotron is done for.  Markus         will hit  a home run if pricing is that low.

        
        
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Its a lot lower than that. 
        
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
        
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I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post         $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be         low.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com,         lsf5275@... wrote:
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> I think someone posted         $1,600-$1,900.00
> 

        
        

        
        
        


      
      

      




    

  

  


  



    
             

  
 
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> Finally! The rumors are confirmed.
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> In a message dated 1/15/2010 2:52:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se writes:
>> That  is why when I record I only use samples and a nice midi keyboard and
>> then at  parties I pull out the Mellotron and play a bad version of Nights in
>> white  satin and Strawberry fields forever. It works great for me !
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          > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros@aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:26 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
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In a message dated 15/01/2010 18:57:31 GMT Standard Time, Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se<mailto:Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se> writes:
Out of curiosity...Do they really feel the same way today seeing a similar product ?
John and I are absolutely okay with anyone attempting a digital 'tron and there have been several versions since we did our work many years ago.  I still have Norm's plan of attack on reams of paper and when the Memotron arrived it felt like there had been a spy in the cab throughout our meetings!

As previously said on many occasions, there are digital emulations of so many instruments including every model of grand piano going BUT people still buy grand pianos.  It's the nuances that are missing from these boxes.  What makes a Steinway can only be realised through a Steinway itself.  Same goes for a 'tron.  And what makes a mellotron sound the way it does is FAR MORE complex than replaying a sample every time you press a key.  This is just the tip of the iceberg in making a digital 'tron mellotronic in nature.  We have been building M4000s and restoring 'trons all the way through the rise of the Memotron, MTron and the rest.  I doubt we have lost many orders from serious mellotron devotees to our digital rivals.

One day maybe we'll bring out the emulation we have modelled but for now we are happy to machine, drill, tap and bolt metal together.  It's hard work and each one is sweat and tears but ultimately it's rewarding if not an easy road to great wealth!

Best,

Martin

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>
> My Streetly refurb still feels pretty good after, what is it now, 7 
> years?! I like the fight, the pushback of a tron.  It's like playing a 
> guitar through a "gasp" real amplifier. Ya gotta work it.... Samples 
> and a MIDI keyboard are too forgiving.  Like the old Italian grandmas 
> say about making risotto, "The rice must feel the pain"
>

>
> I think someone posted           $1,600-$1,900.00
>

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 4:43 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report


  
    
                  
My keyboard action still feels okay too despite having been given acomplete battering over the last two years. I know it needs aservice, but the action feels okay to me. As for 'sponginess', I'veplayed a MemoryMoog and found that had the weirdest action I've everfelt in a keyboard. There is the contact...and there is a bitmore afterwards that doesn't do anything. It's just a matter of gettingused to what you're dealing with. Mellotron keyboards run on wood,rubber and sprung metal. It's never going to rock-solid on that basis,but by no means is it as heavy as (say) a Birotron (which has keys thatfeel like they were weighted on leaf springs) or some of the morerevolting plasticky things that troubled us in the 1980s. 

What I positively like about the touch on a Hammond or aMellotron or (direct action) pipe organ is the feeling that you are partof the machine. You can either feel the mechanics of the systemunder your fingertips. There is a bit of work involved there perhaps,but I don't mind it as much as I mind the feeling that I'm simplyplaying a series of rather dead digital switches. 

As for samples and MIDI, they have their place. They make a lot ofthings a lot easier and have obviously opened doors to many many thingsthat were previously impossible to encompass, but to me they just playback with monotonous regularity. I've been messing about a little withthat RedTron plugin and frankly the Mk-V version (for some reason)sounds better, for some reason. The problem is that the samples arelousy and there is really no way round that. Okay, so Mellotrons havetheir off days too (as we all know) but they get better. With this,you're stuck with a picture of what someone else thoughtsounded great. It's like the difference between making an Airfix kitaeroplane model and a balsa model. With one you are tied to otherpeople's ideas and that (to me) is limiting. 

Having said all that, I'll qualify it by saying that I've sampled3-violins myself and I'd defy anyone to A/B a scale of it and the M400whence it came and tell the difference. I just didn't treat the samplesat all. Someone might learn this trick one day. We'll see.

Mike


fdoddy@aol.com wrote:
   
  
  
 MyStreetly refurb still feels pretty good after, what is it now, 7years?! I like the fight, the pushback of a tron.  It's like playing aguitar through a "gasp" real amplifier. Ya gotta work it.... Samplesand a MIDI keyboard are too forgiving.  Like the old Italian grandmassay about making risotto, "The rice must feel the pain"

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 7:53 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


  
    
                  
Gary Brumm wrote:
   
  
  
Are you ~seriously~comparing replicating a Steinway Grand Piano with sampling to doing thesame to a Mellotron?  
  
  
  
    

I wouldn't. 

Sampling a Steinway (or at least 'getting an accurate digitalpicture of one') is probably much easier as Steinways are way moreconsistent in their sound than a Mellotron. You can play the same noteten times on a Mellotron and they won't sound the same every time, inthe same way my upright piano doesn't play the same way two days in arow. Steinways on the other hand have centuries of engineeringrefinement in them that gives you a very consistent sound. 

I am also assured that how good a grand piano sounds is about 50% downto the piano and 50% down to the room. 


  
  
  
  
  
 Grand pianos willbe around long after the last “tape based” Mellotron has rolled off theassembly line.
  
  
  
  

I don't think he has said otherwise. The longevity of the instrumentisn't an issue anyone was discussing.

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>  I've done the same with my tron Mike.  I sampled it all and didn't process the samples.  It's only one articulation, but it still sounds better than an M-tron or whatever.
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> fd
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 4:43 am
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report
> 
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>   
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>                   
> My keyboard action still feels okay too despite having been given acomplete battering over the last two years. I know it needs aservice, but the action feels okay to me. As for 'sponginess', I'veplayed a MemoryMoog and found that had the weirdest action I've everfelt in a keyboard. There is the contact...and there is a bitmore afterwards that doesn't do anything. It's just a matter of gettingused to what you're dealing with. Mellotron keyboards run on wood,rubber and sprung metal. It's never going to rock-solid on that basis,but by no means is it as heavy as (say) a Birotron (which has keys thatfeel like they were weighted on leaf springs) or some of the morerevolting plasticky things that troubled us in the 1980s. 
> 
> What I positively like about the touch on a Hammond or aMellotron or (direct action) pipe organ is the feeling that you are partof the machine. You can either feel the mechanics of the systemunder your fingertips. There is a bit of work involved there perhaps,but I don't mind it as much as I mind the feeling that I'm simplyplaying a series of rather dead digital switches. 
> 
> As for samples and MIDI, they have their place. They make a lot ofthings a lot easier and have obviously opened doors to many many thingsthat were previously impossible to encompass, but to me they just playback with monotonous regularity. I've been messing about a little withthat RedTron plugin and frankly the Mk-V version (for some reason)sounds better, for some reason. The problem is that the samples arelousy and there is really no way round that. Okay, so Mellotrons havetheir off days too (as we all know) but they get better. With this,you're stuck with a picture of what someone else thoughtsounded great. It's like the difference between making an Airfix kitaeroplane model and a balsa model. With one you are tied to otherpeople's ideas and that (to me) is limiting. 
> 
> Having said all that, I'll qualify it by saying that I've sampled3-violins myself and I'd defy anyone to A/B a scale of it and the M400whence it came and tell the difference. I just didn't treat the samplesat all. Someone might learn this trick one day. We'll see.
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> Mike
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> fdoddy@... wrote:
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>  MyStreetly refurb still feels pretty good after, what is it now, 7years?! I like the fight, the pushback of a tron.  It's like playing aguitar through a "gasp" real amplifier. Ya gotta work it.... Samplesand a MIDI keyboard are too forgiving.  Like the old Italian grandmassay about making risotto, "The rice must feel the pain"
>

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dickson
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:01 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
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mattias wrote:


The people on this list care but in the "real"world a high quality collection of note for note samples in a dedicated machine could go a very long way...

I totally agree. The thing that has (to my ears) torpedoed samples is the fact that they are always being meddled with.

EQ. Tuning. Interpolation. Noise reduction. Normalisation.

They all wreck what would otherwise be a piss easy job to do. You're right. People just want the sound. So why meddle with the sound if that is what people want?

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>  Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.
> 
> Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty.  Somedays my tron just doesn't want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play nicely, it's magic.   I imagine the digital tron will sound just fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.
> 
> fd

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Mark Pring wrote: 
  



I can't believe you are serious Mike. My piano teacher's Steinway is the only instrument I would consider swapping my mellotron for. The amount of control you have over the sound is amazing, you would have to have hundreds of samples per note to duplicate the sound. 





I wasn't suggesting sampling a Steinway on a Mellotron, for crying out loud! I think we were talking at cross purposes.

Incidentally, when Technics brought out their digitally sampled piano (FX-1? I forget now) in the 1980s it was a pretty good approximation of 'the real thing', even then. They sampled a Steinway too. The sampled every note at 17 different rates of velocity to build a very complete picture of the instrument. They housed it in dummy casework and attached dummy hammers to the weighted keys so it even felt like the real thing. Reportedly they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in researching this to see how to record the piano, how many different timbres it had, how the samples should be stored etc etc. And yes, it sounded 'real'. However, it sounded exactly like a Steinway that you had your head pressed up against. Every key had been close miked to get every last possible nuance of sound which meant that when you played it back it sounded like a close miked Steinway. They had forgotten that so much of a piano's sound is in the room where it is played, and adding that digitally (then) was next to impossible. In seeking the perfect sampler they had invented the world's most absurd sounding piano. 







With the new mellotron there will be no difference so why bother replicating the keyboard ( my dislike of the action being just my honest opinion)  and making it look like a mellotron which it isn't. Other than the obvious point of making it sell. It is just a very expensive device to play back samples.





It's an expensive device to play back very specific samples. Plus it looks like the real thing too, in some measure. Personally, I reckon he will sell about a dozen of them, though I may be wrong. Who is it aimed at? The Mellotron freaks and purists won't want one because 'it's a sampler', and the normal people out there who just want the sounds will take one look at this, one look at the M-Tron and then another look at the (free) Red-Tron. I'm certain I know which I would go for. (Having played with it for a couple of days now, I think the Red-Tron sounds better than the M-Tron!) As Mattias said, people just want the sounds. It could come in a plywood box, a plastic box or a bunch of pixels and electrical impulses on a PC. Generally speaking, who cares? If people were such purists then the M-Tron would not have sold ten copies, it sounds that bad. But most people don't know the difference. 









PS I know it wasn't your post but the Steinway is about as much use for rock music as the mellotron is for baroque.




http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/private/V4S-1.mp3
http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/mellotronworks/04%20Air%20on%20the%20G%20String.mp3


Mike

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>  I've done the same with my tron Mike.  I sampled it all and didn't process the samples.  It's only one articulation, but it still sounds better than an M-tron or whatever.
> 
> fd
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>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 4:43 am
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report
> 
> 
>   
>     
>                   
> My keyboard action still feels okay too despite having been given acomplete battering over the last two years. I know it needs aservice, but the action feels okay to me. As for 'sponginess', I'veplayed a MemoryMoog and found that had the weirdest action I've everfelt in a keyboard. There is the contact...and there is a bitmore afterwards that doesn't do anything. It's just a matter of gettingused to what you're dealing with. Mellotron keyboards run on wood,rubber and sprung metal. It's never going to rock-solid on that basis,but by no means is it as heavy as (say) a Birotron (which has keys thatfeel like they were weighted on leaf springs) or some of the morerevolting plasticky things that troubled us in the 1980s. 
> 
> What I positively like about the touch on a Hammond or aMellotron or (direct action) pipe organ is the feeling that you are partof the machine. You can either feel the mechanics of the systemunder your fingertips. There is a bit of work involved there perhaps,but I don't mind it as much as I mind the feeling that I'm simplyplaying a series of rather dead digital switches. 
> 
> As for samples and MIDI, they have their place. They make a lot ofthings a lot easier and have obviously opened doors to many many thingsthat were previously impossible to encompass, but to me they just playback with monotonous regularity. I've been messing about a little withthat RedTron plugin and frankly the Mk-V version (for some reason)sounds better, for some reason. The problem is that the samples arelousy and there is really no way round that. Okay, so Mellotrons havetheir off days too (as we all know) but they get better. With this,you're stuck with a picture of what someone else thoughtsounded great. It's like the difference between making an Airfix kitaeroplane model and a balsa model. With one you are tied to otherpeople's ideas and that (to me) is limiting. 
> 
> Having said all that, I'll qualify it by saying that I've sampled3-violins myself and I'd defy anyone to A/B a scale of it and the M400whence it came and tell the difference. I just didn't treat the samplesat all. Someone might learn this trick one day. We'll see.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> fdoddy@... wrote:
>    
>   
>   
>  MyStreetly refurb still feels pretty good after, what is it now, 7years?! I like the fight, the pushback of a tron.  It's like playing aguitar through a "gasp" real amplifier. Ya gotta work it.... Samplesand a MIDI keyboard are too forgiving.  Like the old Italian grandmassay about making risotto, "The rice must feel the pain"
>

>
> I think someone posted           $1,600-$1,900.00
>

>
> I think someone posted             $1,600-$1,900.00
>

On Jan 16, 2010, at 2:02 PM, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:

>
>
> 
> Fritz where did you see pics of the digital unit?
> I agree with you about lacking the "magic" of the real deal.
> Digital control I like, but not for sound generation.
>
> Best,
> Tony
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fdoddy@aol.com
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
> Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.
>
> Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty.  Somedays my tron just doesn't  
> want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something  
> else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play  
> nicely, it's magic.   I imagine the digital tron will sound just  
> fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.
>
> fd
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tony1 <atm655@verizon.net>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
> 
> Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the  
> little sucker.
> Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
> That ought to piss the neighbors off.
>
> Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
>
> Best,
> Tony
>
> PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
> I'm wating for M5000 #2.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fdoddy@aol.com
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
> Glad to help.  We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers  
> delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds  
> fine.  I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ.  That's what I  
> tracked and mixed my record on.  Can't kill those Mackie boards.  If  
> there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to  
> get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.
>
> fd
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tony1 <atm655@verizon.net>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
> 
> Hey Fritz,
>
> I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
> Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
> Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I  
> was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all  
> over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
> I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel  
> board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
> I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979  
> AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the  
> Neve!
> Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
>
> Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
>
> Best,
> Tony
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fdoddy@aol.com
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
> Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and  
> know what to look for.  If you are looking for something used, see  
> if you can get it in your set up for a while.
>
> Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't  
> geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.
>
> Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but  
> sound like shit.
>
> Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find  
> a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.
>
> New stuff?  I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series.  They all  
> have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete  
> inputs.  They sound very nice too for the money.
>
> SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey.  It would be my  
> desert island desk.  We have one at work...maybe they won't miss  
> it :>)
>
> fd
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tony1 <atm655@verizon.net>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
> Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every  
> musical instrument around.
> I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest  
> reccomendation fellas!
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Tony
> Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Dale
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
>
> Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin"  
> market.  If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
>
>
> Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real  
> Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the  
> MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real  
> MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
>
> This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons  
> over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
>
> If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments  
> you can tell.
>
> Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best.   No A  
> and B comparison can be made.
>
>
> This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
>
> I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this  
> digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
>
> And rightfully so.
>
> Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy  
> an original tape version.
>
> Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will  
> buy an authorized "tribute version"
>
> There's room for both.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se 
> > wrote:
>
> Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much  
> sense anymore...
>
> But keep it a secret...
>
> // Mattias
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Wright
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
> If true, Memotron is done for.  Markus will hit  a home run if  
> pricing is that low.
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb.edu
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
> Its a lot lower than that.
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox.net>
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
> To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
>
>
> I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700?  
> That seems more likely, but even that could be low.
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
> >
> > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
> >
>
>
>

                >
                > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
                >

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dickson
Sent: Sunday, 17 January 2010 12:32 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

 

  

ClayE wrote: 

  

Are you on DRUGS Chris? If someone wanted to be adventurous live or in the
studio using a new digital Mellotron, there is nothing holding them back. 


I'm struggling to think of many of the revered Prog Gods who used the
Mellotron 'adventurously'. It's not a particularly 'adventurous' instrument.
You can use it up front, play it melodically, harmonise all over the place,
and certainly you can process the sound or do whatever else you like with
it, but adventurous? You can dick about with synths adventurously because
you can make them say what you want them to say, but a Mellotron string
section is always going to sound like a cello, a viola and three violins,
all vaguely out of tune and all sounding monolithic. Ninety nine percent of
the people who have put hand to Tron have used it for block chords. Where is
the adventure?

It's still a welcome surprise to hear it at all. I heard it on the intro a
fairly nondescript pop song a year or so ago while seated in the dentist's
chair and exclaimed 'gucking gell!' as I was having my mouth seen to my an
astonished dentist who thought she had accidentally probed through a raw
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On Jan 16, 2010, at 3:15 PM, tony1 wrote:

> 
>
> Then I presume the units are similiar to the size of a Memotron?
> I'd sure like to see some pictures of it!
>
> Best,
> Tony
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Jacques
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
> Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot  
> tell the difference in sound.
>
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2010, at 2:02 PM, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 
>> Fritz where did you see pics of the digital unit?
>> I agree with you about lacking the "magic" of the real deal.
>> Digital control I like, but not for sound generation.
>>
>> Best,
>> Tony
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: fdoddy@aol.com
>> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>>
>>
>> Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.
>>
>> Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty.  Somedays my tron just doesn't  
>> want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something  
>> else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play  
>> nicely, it's magic.   I imagine the digital tron will sound just  
>> fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.
>>
>> fd
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tony1 <atm655@verizon.net>
>> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm
>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>>
>>
>> 
>> Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the  
>> little sucker.
>> Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
>> That ought to piss the neighbors off.
>>
>> Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
>>
>> Best,
>> Tony
>>
>> PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
>> I'm wating for M5000 #2.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: fdoddy@aol.com
>> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>>
>>
>> Glad to help.  We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers  
>> delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds  
>> fine.  I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ.  That's what I  
>> tracked and mixed my record on.  Can't kill those Mackie boards.   
>> If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got  
>> to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.
>>
>> fd
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tony1 <atm655@verizon.net>
>> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>>
>>
>> 
>> Hey Fritz,
>>
>> I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
>> Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
>> Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I  
>> was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all  
>> over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
>> I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel  
>> board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
>> I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979  
>> AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the  
>> Neve!
>> Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
>>
>> Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
>>
>> Best,
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: fdoddy@aol.com
>> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>>
>>
>> Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech  
>> and know what to look for.  If you are looking for something used,  
>> see if you can get it in your set up for a while.
>>
>> Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't  
>> geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.
>>
>> Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but  
>> sound like shit.
>>
>> Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find  
>> a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.
>>
>> New stuff?  I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series.  They all  
>> have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64  
>> discrete inputs.  They sound very nice too for the money.
>>
>> SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey.  It would be my  
>> desert island desk.  We have one at work...maybe they won't miss  
>> it :>)
>>
>> fd
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tony1 <atm655@verizon.net>
>> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>>
>>
>> Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every  
>> musical instrument around.
>> I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest  
>> reccomendation fellas!
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Tony
>> Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Chris Dale
>> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>>
>>
>>
>> Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin"  
>> market.  If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
>>
>>
>> Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real  
>> Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the  
>> MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real  
>> MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
>>
>> This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons  
>> over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
>>
>> If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments  
>> you can tell.
>>
>> Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best.   No A  
>> and B comparison can be made.
>>
>>
>> This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
>>
>> I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this  
>> digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
>>
>> And rightfully so.
>>
>> Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy  
>> an original tape version.
>>
>> Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will  
>> buy an authorized "tribute version"
>>
>> There's room for both.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much  
>> sense anymore...
>>
>> But keep it a secret...
>>
>> // Mattias
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Wright
>> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
>> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>>
>>
>> If true, Memotron is done for.  Markus will hit  a home run if  
>> pricing is that low.
>>
>> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb.edu
>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
>> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>>
>>
>> Its a lot lower than that.
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>> From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox.net>
>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
>> To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700?  
>> That seems more likely, but even that could be low.
>>
>> Bernie
>>
>> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>> >
>> > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

>
> Then I presume the units are similiar to the size of a Memotron?
> I'd sure like to see some pictures of it!
> 
> Best,
> Tony
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: David Jacques 
>   To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:11 PM
>   Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> 
> 
>     
>   Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   On Jan 16, 2010, at 2:02 PM, fdoddy@... wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     
>     Fritz where did you see pics of the digital unit?
>     I agree with you about lacking the "magic" of the real deal.
>     Digital control I like, but not for sound generation.
> 
>     Best,
>     Tony
> 
>       ----- Original Message -----
>       From: fdoddy@...
>       To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>       Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:30 AM
>       Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> 
> 
>        
>       Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.
> 
>       Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty.  Somedays my tron just doesn't want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play nicely, it's magic.   I imagine the digital tron will sound just fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.
> 
>       fd
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: tony1 <atm655@...>
>       To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>       Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm
>       Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> 
> 
>        
>       
>       Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the little sucker.
>       Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
>       That ought to piss the neighbors off.
> 
>       Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
> 
>       Best,
>       Tony
> 
>       PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
>       I'm wating for M5000 #2.
> 
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         From: fdoddy@...
>         To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>         Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:36 PM
>         Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> 
> 
>          
>         Glad to help.  We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds fine.  I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ.  That's what I tracked and mixed my record on.  Can't kill those Mackie boards.  If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.
> 
>         fd
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: tony1 <atm655@...>
>         To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>         Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
>         Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> 
> 
>          
>         
>         Hey Fritz,
> 
>         I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
>         Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
>         Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
>         I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
>         I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
>         Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
> 
>         Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
> 
>         Best,
>         Tony
> 
> 
>           ----- Original Message -----
>           From: fdoddy@...
>           To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>           Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
>           Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> 
> 
>            
>           Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for.  If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.
> 
>           Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.
> 
>           Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.
> 
>           Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.
> 
>           New stuff?  I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series.  They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs.  They sound very nice too for the money.
> 
>           SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey.  It would be my desert island desk.  We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)
> 
>           fd
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>           -----Original Message-----
>           From: tony1 <atm655@...>
>           To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>           Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
>           Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> 
> 
>            
>           Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
>           I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
>           Thanks in advance,
> 
>           Tony
>           Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
> 
>             ----- Original Message -----
>             From: Chris Dale
>             To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>             Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
>             Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> 
> 
>              
> 
>             Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market.  If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
> 
> 
>             Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
> 
>             This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
> 
>             If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
> 
>             Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best.   No A and B comparison can be made.
> 
> 
>             This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
> 
>             I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
> 
>             And rightfully so.
> 
>             Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
> 
>             Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version" 
> 
>             There's room for both.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>             On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@...> wrote:
> 
>                
>               Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
> 
>               But keep it a secret...
> 
>               // Mattias
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                 ----- Original Message -----
>                 From: John Wright
>                 To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>                 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
>                 Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> 
> 
>                  
>                 If true, Memotron is done for.  Markus will hit  a home run if pricing is that low.
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>                 From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djacques@...
>                 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
>                 To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>                 Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> 
> 
>                  
>                 Its a lot lower than that.
>                 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>                 From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@...>
>                 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
>                 To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
>                 Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> 
> 
>                  
> 
> 
>                 I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.
> 
>                 Bernie
> 
>                 --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
>                 >
>                 > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
>                 >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: ClayE

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:42 PM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

Tony:
You should try this new thing called google. It's really cool!
http://www.mellotron.com/digital-mellotron.html

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tony1" wrote:
>
> Then I presume the units are similiar to the size of a Memotron?
> I'd sure like to see some pictures of it!
>
> Best,
> Tony
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Jacques
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
>
> Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2010, at 2:02 PM, fdoddy@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> Fritz where did you see pics of the digital unit?
> I agree with you about lacking the "magic" of the real deal.
> Digital control I like, but not for sound generation.
>
> Best,
> Tony
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fdoddy@...
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
>
> Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.
>
> Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty. Somedays my tron just doesn't want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play nicely, it's magic. I imagine the digital tron will sound just fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.
>
> fd
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tony1 <atm655@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
>
> 
> Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the little sucker.
> Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
> That ought to piss the neighbors off.
>
> Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
>
> Best,
> Tony
>
> PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
> I'm wating for M5000 #2.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fdoddy@...
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
>
> Glad to help. We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds fine. I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ. That's what I tracked and mixed my record on. Can't kill those Mackie boards. If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.
>
> fd
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tony1 > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
>
> 
> Hey Fritz,
>
> I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
> Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
> Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
> I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
> I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
> Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
>
> Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
>
> Best,
> Tony
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fdoddy@...
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
>
> Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.
>
> Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.
>
> Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.
>
> Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.
>
> New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.
>
> SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)
>
> fd
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tony1
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
>
> Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
> I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
> Thanks in advance,
>
>; Tony
> Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Dale
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
>
>
> Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
>
>
> Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
>
> This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
>
> If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
>
> Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
>
>
> This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
>
> I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
>
> And rightfully so.
>
> Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
>
> Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
>
> There's room for both.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson ...> wrote:
>
>
> Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
>;
> But keep it a secret...
>
> // Mattias
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Wright
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
>
> If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djacques@...
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
>
> Its a lot lower than that.
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: "Tron400" ..>
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
> To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>
>
>
>
>
> I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
>; >
>

>
> Yep I'm familiar with it.
> Just overlooked using it, my mistake.
> I looks like it means business.
> Tony
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: ClayE 
>   To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:42 PM
>   Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> 
> 
>     
>   Tony: 
>   You should try this new thing called google. It's really cool!
>   http://www.mellotron.com/digital-mellotron.html
> 
>   --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tony1" <atm655@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Then I presume the units are similiar to the size of a Memotron?
>   > I'd sure like to see some pictures of it!
>   > 
>   > Best,
>   > Tony
>   > 
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: David Jacques 
>   > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
>   > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:11 PM
>   > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > On Jan 16, 2010, at 2:02 PM, fdoddy@ wrote:
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Fritz where did you see pics of the digital unit?
>   > I agree with you about lacking the "magic" of the real deal.
>   > Digital control I like, but not for sound generation.
>   > 
>   > Best,
>   > Tony
>   > 
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: fdoddy@
>   > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:30 AM
>   > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.
>   > 
>   > Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty. Somedays my tron just doesn't want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play nicely, it's magic. I imagine the digital tron will sound just fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.
>   > 
>   > fd
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: tony1 <atm655@>
>   > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm
>   > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the little sucker.
>   > Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
>   > That ought to piss the neighbors off.
>   > 
>   > Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
>   > 
>   > Best,
>   > Tony
>   > 
>   > PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
>   > I'm wating for M5000 #2.
>   > 
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: fdoddy@
>   > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:36 PM
>   > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Glad to help. We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds fine. I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ. That's what I tracked and mixed my record on. Can't kill those Mackie boards. If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.
>   > 
>   > fd
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: tony1 <atm655@>
>   > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
>   > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Hey Fritz,
>   > 
>   > I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
>   > Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
>   > Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
>   > I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
>   > I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
>   > Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
>   > 
>   > Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
>   > 
>   > Best,
>   > Tony
>   > 
>   > 
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: fdoddy@
>   > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
>   > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.
>   > 
>   > Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.
>   > 
>   > Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.
>   > 
>   > Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.
>   > 
>   > New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.
>   > 
>   > SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)
>   > 
>   > fd
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: tony1 <atm655@>
>   > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
>   > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
>   > I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
>   > Thanks in advance,
>   > 
>   > Tony
>   > Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
>   > 
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: Chris Dale
>   > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
>   > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
>   > 
>   > This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
>   > 
>   > If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
>   > 
>   > Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
>   > 
>   > 
>   > This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
>   > 
>   > I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
>   > 
>   > And rightfully so.
>   > 
>   > Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
>   > 
>   > Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version" 
>   > 
>   > There's room for both.
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@> wrote:
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
>   > 
>   > But keep it a secret...
>   > 
>   > // Mattias
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: John Wright
>   > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
>   > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > ----------------------------------------------------------
>   > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djacques@
>   > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
>   > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>   > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Its a lot lower than that.
>   > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>   > 
>   > ----------------------------------------------------------
>   > 
>   > From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@>
>   > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
>   > To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
>   > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.
>   > 
>   > Bernie
>   > 
>   > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
>   > >
>   > > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
>   > >
>   >
>

Awwwww, she sure looks sweet too!

'Might as well start saving up for one.... :)

===============================================================

In a message dated 1/16/2010 3:32:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, atm655@verizon.net writes:

Then I presume the units are similiar to the size of a Memotron?

I'd sure like to see some pictures of it!

Best,

Tony

Ask and ye shall receive...

-----Original Message-----
From: MAinPsych@aol.com
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:20 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


 


In a message dated 1/16/2010 2:11:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, djacques@csulb.edu writes:
Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.


 
My 2 pence worth:  Putting aside all the theorizing, at NAMM, David and I did direct A-B comparisons between the digitial Mellotron and a MkVI.  I would defy anyone to tell the difference in sound (no one could), even in the feel of the keyboard (the difference there is very slight).  At $1800. and 41 pounds with 100 sounds and (BTW) parameter control, it's one hell of a machine.

Frank1

In a message dated 1/16/2010 2:11:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, djacques@csulb.edu writes:
Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.


 
My 2 pence worth:  Putting aside all the theorizing, at NAMM, David and I did direct A-B comparisons between the digitial Mellotron and a MkVI.  I would defy anyone to tell the difference in sound (no one could), even in the feel of the keyboard (the difference there is very slight).  At $1800. and 41 pounds with 100 sounds and (BTW) parameter control, it's one hell of a machine.

Frank1

\ufffd

I believe you can go to The Consumer Electronics show... Her name os "Roxxxy".. Here is the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/10/roxxxy-sex-robot-photo-wo_n_417976.html

  From: kinchmusic@aol.com 
  To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:57 AM
  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report




  Could have invested in some decent switchgear though. That On/Off switch looks very homemade.
  Andy K


  I thought you were talking about the robot for a minute...

  Andy T.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:05
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


 

 
 Thats the dealbraker for me. 
Could have invested in some decent switchgear though. That On/Off switch looks very homemade.
Andy K

>
> I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
>

-----Original Message-----
From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 5:37 pm
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


  
    
                  
Are you on DRUGS Chris?  If someone wanted to be adventurous live or in the studio using a new digital Mellotron, there is nothing holding them back.  

"only...a generic Mellotron atmosphere" <- WTF is that?  You are suggesting that the new digital Mellotron will be a poor substitute for the real thing.  That's just nonsense.

Clay 

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
> In general - these new digital trons are made with the contemporary music of the 90's and 2000's in mind - little or no adventurous Mellotron use.  So I think if you only want a generic Mellotron atmosphere, these latest digital incarnations are fine.

>
> Could have invested in some decent switchgear though. That On/Off switch looks very homemade.
> Andy K
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MAinPsych@...
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:20 am
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> In a message dated 1/16/2010 2:11:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, djacques@... writes:
> Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.
> 
> 
>  
> My 2 pence worth:  Putting aside all the theorizing, at NAMM, David and I did direct A-B comparisons between the digitial Mellotron and a MkVI.  I would defy anyone to tell the difference in sound (no one could), even in the feel of the keyboard (the difference there is very slight).  At $1800. and 41 pounds with 100 sounds and (BTW) parameter control, it's one hell of a machine.
> 
> Frank1
> 
> In a message dated 1/16/2010 2:11:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, djacques@... writes:
> Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.
> 
> 
>  
> My 2 pence worth:  Putting aside all the theorizing, at NAMM, David and I did direct A-B comparisons between the digitial Mellotron and a MkVI.  I would defy anyone to tell the difference in sound (no one could), even in the feel of the keyboard (the difference there is very slight).  At $1800. and 41 pounds with 100 sounds and (BTW) parameter control, it's one hell of a machine.
> 
> Frank1
>

> It looks like the same type of on/off switch found on most amplifiers
> (Vox, Fender, Orange, Hiwatt).  My MK-VI has the same type of switch.  It
> looks and feels like a switch to me.  It makes a nice click sound.  Not a
> mushy click or a spongy click, a nice snappy click.
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, kinchmusic@... wrote:
>>
>> Could have invested in some decent switchgear though. That On/Off switch
>> looks very homemade.
>> Andy K
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: MAinPsych@...
>> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:20 am
>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 1/16/2010 2:11:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>> djacques@... writes:
>> Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell
>> the difference in sound.
>>
>>
>>
>> My 2 pence worth:  Putting aside all the theorizing, at NAMM, David and
>> I did direct A-B comparisons between the digitial Mellotron and a MkVI.
>> I would defy anyone to tell the difference in sound (no one could), even
>> in the feel of the keyboard (the difference there is very slight).  At
>> $1800. and 41 pounds with 100 sounds and (BTW) parameter control, it's
>> one hell of a machine.
>>
>> Frank1
>>
>> In a message dated 1/16/2010 2:11:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>> djacques@... writes:
>> Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell
>> the difference in sound.
>>
>>
>>
>> My 2 pence worth:  Putting aside all the theorizing, at NAMM, David and
>> I did direct A-B comparisons between the digitial Mellotron and a MkVI.
>> I would defy anyone to tell the difference in sound (no one could), even
>> in the feel of the keyboard (the difference there is very slight).  At
>> $1800. and 41 pounds with 100 sounds and (BTW) parameter control, it's
>> one hell of a machine.
>>
>> Frank1
>>
>
>
>

\ufffd

Agreed - good example.

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On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Paul Watson <progrocker@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

\ufffd

I think Tangerine Dream on Phaedra and Rubicon

used it adventurously by tweaking the hell out

of their trons.

\ufffd

>
>  
> In a message dated 18/01/2010 21:08:06 GMT Standard Time,  
> unobtainiumkeys@... writes:
> 
> I define  'adventurous use' as pushing a tape based instrument  beyond what 
> it's expected use might be, 
> 
> 
> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-e2sTyzCHc_ 
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-e2sTyzCHc)  -  some flywheel wrestling...
>

>
> 
>  I've done the same with my tron Mike.  I sampled it all and didn't process the samples.  It's only one articulation, but it still sounds better than an M-tron or whatever.
> 
> fd
>

From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:25 PM


  




Interesting. Here is what's on my M4000. It nearly fills your list. The track blending is very good and many of the sounds were picked with that ability in mind.
 
 

          Track A                      Track B                        Track C
 
 
1.   Vibes                             MKII Violins           Cello
2.   Russian Choir              Eight Choir            Church Organ(St. John's)
3.   MKII Brass                   Tenor Sax              Trombone 
4.   Boys Choir                   Male Choir            Female Choir
5.   M300A Violins              New Cello              Cyndee’s Viola
6.   MKII Church Organ     McDonald Flute     MKI Clarinet
7.   New String Section     Orchestra              Watcher Mix
8.   Bass Clarinet               Oboe                        Glen Miller
 
 

In a message dated 1/20/2010 6:21:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@ yahoo.com writes:
Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course)

MkII violins
M400 violins
MkII trombone
MkII church organ
MkII flute
clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled)
orchestra
MkII brass
trumpets and trombones
MkII tenor sax
St. John's Wood organ
french horn
cello
cello viola mix
MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Daily" <pocotron@yahoo.com> 
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:24:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central 
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report 







Here's my wish list (please send cash!)- 

MK2 Brass 
Split Male/Female choir 
Classic Strings 
Medieval Woodwinds 
MK2 Tenor Sax 
Sad Strings 
Bass Clarinet 
Vibes 

Okay, I like the classic sounds. 

-Bruce D. 
#1221 



--- On Wed, 1/20/10, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote: 



From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> 
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report 
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:25 PM 





Interesting. Here is what's on my M4000. It nearly fills your list. The track blending is very good and many of the sounds were picked with that ability in mind. 




Track A Track B Track C 





1. Vibes MKII Violins Cello 

2. Russian Choir Eight Choir Church Organ (St. John's) 

3. MKII Brass Tenor Sax Trombone 

4. Boys Choir Male Choir Female Choir 

5. M300A Violins New Cello Cyndee’s Viola 

6. MKII Church Organ McDonald Flute MKI Clarinet 

7. New String Section Orchestra Watcher Mix 

8. Bass Clarinet Oboe Glen Miller 



In a message dated 1/20/2010 6:21:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@ yahoo.com writes: 

Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course) 

MkII violins 
M400 violins 
MkII trombone 
MkII church organ 
MkII flute 
clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled) 
orchestra 
MkII brass 
trumpets and trombones 
MkII tenor sax 
St. John's Wood organ 
french horn 
cello 
cello viola mix 
MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)

From: tspit74@comcast.net <tspit74@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:22 AM


  




You forgot String Section w/ cello. My current favorite sound.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Daily" <pocotron@yahoo. com>
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:24:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

  








Here's my wish list (please send cash!)-
 
MK2 Brass
Split Male/Female choir
Classic Strings
Medieval Woodwinds
MK2 Tenor Sax
Sad Strings
Bass Clarinet
Vibes
 
Okay, I like the classic sounds.
 
  -Bruce D.
  #1221
 


--- On Wed, 1/20/10, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:


From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:25 PM


  


Interesting. Here is what's on my M4000. It nearly fills your list. The track blending is very good and many of the sounds were picked with that ability in mind.
 
 

          Track A                      Track B                        Track C
 
 
1.   Vibes                             MKII Violins           Cello
2.   Russian Choir              Eight Choir            Church Organ(St. John's) 
3.   MKII Brass                   Tenor Sax              Trombone 
4.   Boys Choir                   Male Choir            Female Choir 
5.   M300A Violins              New Cello              Cyndee’s Viola 
6.   MKII Church Organ     McDonald Flute     MKI Clarinet 
7.   New String Section     Orchestra              Watcher Mix 
8.   Bass Clarinet               Oboe                        Glen Miller 
 
 

In a message dated 1/20/2010 6:21:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@ yahoo.com writes:
Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course)

MkII violins
M400 violins
MkII trombone
MkII church organ
MkII flute
clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled)
orchestra
MkII brass
trumpets and trombones
MkII tenor sax
St. John's Wood organ
french horn
cello
cello viola mix
MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john barrick" <astroboy@cinci.rr.com> 
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:26:52 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central 
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report 






lsf5275@aol.com wrote: 
> 
> 
> It Hz to be in love... 
> 
> I 
> 
And Gene Pitney just rolled over in his grave...

>
> No forgetting at all.
> It's on one of my frames:Â  2 Trumpets & 2 Trombones; String section w/'Cello; 8 Choir.
> 
> Â Â Â Â Â  
> Â 
> -Bruce D.
> Â 
> 
> --- On Thu, 1/21/10, tspit74@... <tspit74@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: tspit74@... <tspit74@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:22 AM
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You forgot String Section w/ cello. My current favorite sound.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Daily" <pocotron@yahoo. com>
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:24:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Here's my wish list (please send cash!)-
> Â 
> MK2 Brass
> Split Male/Female choir
> Classic Strings
> Medieval Woodwinds
> MK2 Tenor Sax
> Sad Strings
> Bass Clarinet
> Vibes
> Â 
> Okay, I like the classic sounds.
> Â 
> Â  -Bruce D.
> Â  #1221
> Â 
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 1/20/10, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:25 PM
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> Interesting. Here is what's on my M4000. It nearly fills your list. The track blending is very good and many of the sounds were picked with that ability in mind.
> Â 
> Â 
> 
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Track AÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Track BÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Track C
> Â 
> Â 
> 1.   Vibes                             MKII Violins           Cello
> 2.   Russian Choir              Eight Choir            Church Organ(St. John's) 
> 3.   MKII Brass                   Tenor Sax              Trombone 
> 4.   Boys Choir                   Male Choir            Female Choir 
> 5.   M300A Violins              New Cello              Cyndee’s Viola 
> 6.   MKII Church Organ     McDonald Flute     MKI Clarinet 
> 7.   New String Section     Orchestra              Watcher Mix 
> 8.   Bass Clarinet               Oboe                        Glen Miller 
> Â 
> Â 
> 
> In a message dated 1/20/2010 6:21:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@ yahoo.com writes:
> Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course)
> 
> MkII violins
> M400 violins
> MkII trombone
> MkII church organ
> MkII flute
> clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled)
> orchestra
> MkII brass
> trumpets and trombones
> MkII tenor sax
> St. John's Wood organ
> french horn
> cello
> cello viola mix
> MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)
>

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Blechta
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:23 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


  



On Jan 22, 2010, at 9:07 AM, tspit74@comcast.net
<mailto:tspit74@comcast.net>  wrote:


	As George Harrison would sing, "Isn't it a Pitney?"
	


And then there's that Famous Christmas carol, "Arp! the Herald Angels
Sing"

 From:  newmellotrongroup@  newmell  newmellotrongroup@<WBR  newmellotro  
newOn Behalf Of Rick  Blechta
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:23 AM
To:  newmellotrongroup@  newmell  
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report






On Jan 22, 2010, at 9:07 AM, _tspit74@comcast.tsp_ 
(mailto:tspit74@comcast.net)  wrote:


As  George Harrison would sing, "Isn't it a  Pitney?"



And then there's that Famous Christmas carol, "Arp! the Herald Angels  Sing"

>
>
>Oh Magog! I can't stand it anymore.
>
>In a message dated 1/22/2010 9:27:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
>john.wright@consona.com writes:
>
>
>And Andy Williams singing 'Moog River"

>
> No forgetting at all.
> It's on one of my frames:Â  2 Trumpets & 2 Trombones; String section w/'Cello; 8 Choir.
> 
> Â Â Â Â Â  
> Â 
> -Bruce D.
> Â 
> 
> --- On Thu, 1/21/10, tspit74@... <tspit74@... > wrote:
> 
> 
> From: tspit74@... <tspit74@... >
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:22 AM
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You forgot String Section w/ cello. My current favorite sound.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Daily" <pocotron@yahoo. com>
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:24:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Here's my wish list (please send cash!)-
> Â 
> MK2 Brass
> Split Male/Female choir
> Classic Strings
> Medieval Woodwinds
> MK2 Tenor Sax
> Sad Strings
> Bass Clarinet
> Vibes
> Â 
> Okay, I like the classic sounds.
> Â 
> Â  -Bruce D.
> Â  #1221
> Â 
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 1/20/10, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:25 PM
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> Interesting. Here is what's on my M4000. It nearly fills your list. The track blending is very good and many of the sounds were picked with that ability in mind.
> Â 
> Â 
> 
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Track AÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Track BÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Track C
> Â 
> Â 
> 1.   Vibes                             MKII Violins           Cello
> 2.   Russian Choir              Eight Choir            Church Organ(St. John's) 
> 3.   MKII Brass                   Tenor Sax              Trombone 
> 4.   Boys Choir                   Male Choir            Female Choir 
> 5.   M300A Violins              New Cello              Cyndee’s Viola 
> 6.   MKII Church Organ     McDonald Flute     MKI Clarinet 
> 7.   New String Section     Orchestra              Watcher Mix 
> 8.   Bass Clarinet               Oboe                        Glen Miller 
> Â 
> Â 
> 
> In a message dated 1/20/2010 6:21:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@ yahoo.com writes:
> Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course)
> 
> MkII violins
> M400 violins
> MkII trombone
> MkII church organ
> MkII flute
> clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled)
> orchestra
> MkII brass
> trumpets and trombones
> MkII tenor sax
> St. John's Wood organ
> french horn
> cello
> cello viola mix
> MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)
>

From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:53 AM


  




Oh Magog! I can't stand it anymore. 
 

In a message dated 1/22/2010 9:27:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john.wright@ consona.com writes:
  


And Andy Williams singing 'Moog River"



From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotro ngroup@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Rick Blechta
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:23 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


  




On Jan 22, 2010, at 9:07 AM, tspit74@comcast. net wrote:

As George Harrison would sing, "Isn't it a Pitney?"


And then there's that Famous Christmas carol, "Arp! the Herald Angels Sing"

>
> Hi Bernie-
>    Mine spans the keyboard, it is not the split.  Yeah, it's a little thin at the bottom, but it's good.  MK2 Brass or Brass B would've given a Bigger Bottom (shades of SpinalTap!).
>    After living with my 'tron for a while, I've started to feel that a recording of a loud, blaring, razzy(?) brass section might be great ...with tubas, too!  I don't want to start something, though.  Hey, sustaining an 8-second loud note might make some of the players fall over and die.
> Â 
> Â Â  -Bruce Daily
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Tron400 <kornowicz@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Tron400 <kornowicz@...>
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:15 AM
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bruce,
> 
> How do you like the 2 Trumpets/2 Trombones? Is it a split or do both instruments run the full 3 octaves -1? How's the bottom end? I have the Pinder CD samples and M-Tron Pro, both of which have a trumpet/trombone sound, but I don't know if it's the same one that you have; both sound kind of thin at the bottom.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@ .> wrote:
> >
> > No forgetting at all.
> > It's on one of my frames:  2 Trumpets & 2 Trombones; String section w/'Cello; 8 Choir.
> > 
> >       
> >  
> > -Bruce D.
> >  
> > 
> > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, tspit74@ <tspit74@ > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: tspit74@ <tspit74@ >
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:22 AM
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > You forgot String Section w/ cello. My current favorite sound.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Daily" <pocotron@yahoo. com>
> > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:24:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Here's my wish list (please send cash!)-
> >  
> > MK2 Brass
> > Split Male/Female choir
> > Classic Strings
> > Medieval Woodwinds
> > MK2 Tenor Sax
> > Sad Strings
> > Bass Clarinet
> > Vibes
> >  
> > Okay, I like the classic sounds.
> >  
> >   -Bruce D.
> >   #1221
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:25 PM
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > Interesting. Here is what's on my M4000. It nearly fills your list. The track blending is very good and many of the sounds were picked with that ability in mind.
> >  
> >  
> > 
> >           Track A                      Track B                        Track C
> >  
> >  
> > 1.   Vibes                             MKII Violins           Cello
> > 2.   Russian Choir              Eight Choir            Church Organ(St. John's) 
> > 3.   MKII Brass                   Tenor Sax              Trombone 
> > 4.   Boys Choir                   Male Choir            Female Choir 
> > 5.   M300A Violins              New Cello              Cyndee’s Viola 
> > 6.   MKII Church Organ     McDonald Flute     MKI Clarinet 
> > 7.   New String Section     Orchestra              Watcher Mix 
> > 8.   Bass Clarinet               Oboe                        Glen Miller 
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > In a message dated 1/20/2010 6:21:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@ yahoo.com writes:
> > Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course)
> > 
> > MkII violins
> > M400 violins
> > MkII trombone
> > MkII church organ
> > MkII flute
> > clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled)
> > orchestra
> > MkII brass
> > trumpets and trombones
> > MkII tenor sax
> > St. John's Wood organ
> > french horn
> > cello
> > cello viola mix
> > MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)
> >
>

>
> Hi Bernie-
>    Mine spans the keyboard, it is not the split.  Yeah, it's a little thin at the bottom, but it's good.  MK2 Brass or Brass B would've given a Bigger Bottom (shades of SpinalTap!).
>    After living with my 'tron for a while, I've started to feel that a recording of a loud, blaring, razzy(?) brass section might be great ...with tubas, too!  I don't want to start something, though.  Hey, sustaining an 8-second loud note might make some of the players fall over and die.
> Â 
> Â Â  -Bruce Daily
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Tron400 <kornowicz@. ..> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Tron400 <kornowicz@. ..>
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:15 AM
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bruce,
> 
> How do you like the 2 Trumpets/2 Trombones? Is it a split or do both instruments run the full 3 octaves -1? How's the bottom end? I have the Pinder CD samples and M-Tron Pro, both of which have a trumpet/trombone sound, but I don't know if it's the same one that you have; both sound kind of thin at the bottom.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@ .> wrote:
> >
> > No forgetting at all.
> > It's on one of my frames:  2 Trumpets & 2 Trombones; String section w/'Cello; 8 Choir.
> > 
> >       
> >  
> > -Bruce D.
> >  
> > 
> > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, tspit74@ <tspit74@ > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: tspit74@ <tspit74@ >
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:22 AM
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > You forgot String Section w/ cello. My current favorite sound.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Daily" <pocotron@yahoo. com>
> > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:24:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Here's my wish list (please send cash!)-
> >  
> > MK2 Brass
> > Split Male/Female choir
> > Classic Strings
> > Medieval Woodwinds
> > MK2 Tenor Sax
> > Sad Strings
> > Bass Clarinet
> > Vibes
> >  
> > Okay, I like the classic sounds.
> >  
> >   -Bruce D.
> >   #1221
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:25 PM
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > Interesting. Here is what's on my M4000. It nearly fills your list. The track blending is very good and many of the sounds were picked with that ability in mind.
> >  
> >  
> > 
> >           Track A                      Track B                        Track C
> >  
> >  
> > 1.   Vibes                             MKII Violins           Cello
> > 2.   Russian Choir              Eight Choir            Church Organ(St. John's) 
> > 3.   MKII Brass                   Tenor Sax              Trombone 
> > 4.   Boys Choir                   Male Choir            Female Choir 
> > 5.   M300A Violins              New Cello              Cyndee’s Viola 
> > 6.   MKII Church Organ     McDonald Flute     MKI Clarinet 
> > 7.   New String Section     Orchestra              Watcher Mix 
> > 8.   Bass Clarinet               Oboe                        Glen Miller 
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > In a message dated 1/20/2010 6:21:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@ yahoo.com writes:
> > Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course)
> > 
> > MkII violins
> > M400 violins
> > MkII trombone
> > MkII church organ
> > MkII flute
> > clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled)
> > orchestra
> > MkII brass
> > trumpets and trombones
> > MkII tenor sax
> > St. John's Wood organ
> > french horn
> > cello
> > cello viola mix
> > MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)
> >
>

From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:43 PM


  




Now that's saying something!
 

In a message dated 1/22/2010 9:38:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kornowicz@cox. net writes:
The Brass B interests me, but the tuning doesn't seem as good as the MkII Combined Brass.

>
> Bernie-
>    I've only heard the tape library samples.  In its pure form the phasing interplay of the 3 'bones is a little annoying, but probably would work better in a mix.  Interesting to note that the lower end seemed muted.
>    IMHO a better split would be the solo trombone and trumpet (starting with the lowest notes on each).  A better bottom.
> Â 
> Â Â  -Bruce D.
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Tron400 <kornowicz@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Tron400 <kornowicz@...>
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:34 PM
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks Bruce. From the samples I've tried, the solo Trombone has more bottom. Have you tried the GC3 Brass? It's not really a split but the lower half of the keyboard sounds different than the upper half; almost like the lower half is muted. The upper half has a nice, bright, piercing sound like trumpets. The Brass B interests me, but the tuning doesn't seem as good as the MkII Combined Brass.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bernie-
> >    Mine spans the keyboard, it is not the split.  Yeah, it's a little thin at the bottom, but it's good.  MK2 Brass or Brass B would've given a Bigger Bottom (shades of SpinalTap!).
> >    After living with my 'tron for a while, I've started to feel that a recording of a loud, blaring, razzy(?) brass section might be great ...with tubas, too!  I don't want to start something, though.  Hey, sustaining an 8-second loud note might make some of the players fall over and die.
> >  
> >    -Bruce Daily
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Tron400 <kornowicz@ ..> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Tron400 <kornowicz@ ..>
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:15 AM
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Bruce,
> > 
> > How do you like the 2 Trumpets/2 Trombones? Is it a split or do both instruments run the full 3 octaves -1? How's the bottom end? I have the Pinder CD samples and M-Tron Pro, both of which have a trumpet/trombone sound, but I don't know if it's the same one that you have; both sound kind of thin at the bottom.
> > 
> > Bernie
> > 
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@ .> wrote:
> > >
> > > No forgetting at all.
> > > It's on one of my frames:  2 Trumpets & 2 Trombones; String section w/'Cello; 8 Choir.
> > > 
> > >       
> > >  
> > > -Bruce D.
> > >  
> > > 
> > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, tspit74@ <tspit74@ > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: tspit74@ <tspit74@ >
> > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:22 AM
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > You forgot String Section w/ cello. My current favorite sound.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bruce Daily" <pocotron@yahoo. com>
> > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:24:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Here's my wish list (please send cash!)-
> > >  
> > > MK2 Brass
> > > Split Male/Female choir
> > > Classic Strings
> > > Medieval Woodwinds
> > > MK2 Tenor Sax
> > > Sad Strings
> > > Bass Clarinet
> > > Vibes
> > >  
> > > Okay, I like the classic sounds.
> > >  
> > >   -Bruce D.
> > >   #1221
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
> > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
> > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:25 PM
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Interesting. Here is what's on my M4000. It nearly fills your list. The track blending is very good and many of the sounds were picked with that ability in mind.
> > >  
> > >  
> > > 
> > >           Track A                      Track B                        Track C
> > >  
> > >  
> > > 1.   Vibes                             MKII Violins           Cello
> > > 2.   Russian Choir              Eight Choir            Church Organ(St. John's) 
> > > 3.   MKII Brass                   Tenor Sax              Trombone 
> > > 4.   Boys Choir                   Male Choir            Female Choir 
> > > 5.   M300A Violins              New Cello              Cyndee’s Viola 
> > > 6.   MKII Church Organ     McDonald Flute     MKI Clarinet 
> > > 7.   New String Section     Orchestra              Watcher Mix 
> > > 8.   Bass Clarinet               Oboe                        Glen Miller 
> > >  
> > >  
> > > 
> > > In a message dated 1/20/2010 6:21:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@ yahoo.com writes:
> > > Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course)
> > > 
> > > MkII violins
> > > M400 violins
> > > MkII trombone
> > > MkII church organ
> > > MkII flute
> > > clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled)
> > > orchestra
> > > MkII brass
> > > trumpets and trombones
> > > MkII tenor sax
> > > St. John's Wood organ
> > > french horn
> > > cello
> > > cello viola mix
> > > MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)
> > >
> >
>

On Jan 23, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta.com> wrote:

>
> On Jan 23, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:
>
>>  I've only heard the tape library samples.  In its pure form the  
>> phasing interplay of the 3 'bones is a little annoying, but  
>> probably would work better in a mix.  Interesting to note that the  
>> lower end seemed muted.
>>    IMHO a better split would be the solo trombone and trumpet  
>> (starting with the lowest notes on each).  A better bottom.
>
> They should b oth be rerecorded because you'd certainly have  
> something better than the original recordings, both of which are of  
> very poor quality. The trumpet player cacks the highest note, for  
> Pete's sake. What was that all about? Sure it's really high, but  
> there are a lot of pros around who could cut it.
>
> Someone floated the idea of a real brass section. I'd like to  
> propose a brass quintet, all playing at the same time. It would  
> sound AWESOME. I guarantee it. The problem most of the "mixed voice"  
> is that they were recorded separately. It really won't work as well  
> as musicians all playing at the same time. One reason the 3 violins  
> still sounds so good to us? Harry C. used 3 violinists to play it.  
> Not one violinist 3 times. That would have sounded crappy. I've  
> tried it.
>
> There are inherent problems using several musicians at once. More  
> chance of mistakes, for one thing, but pros do that stuff all the  
> time and they can pull it off. It would be a very interesting  
> experiment to record some of the multi-instrument voices with live  
> players doing it all at once. The choirs are all recorded this way,  
> come to think of it, and don't they sound great? Imagine getting a  
> full orchestra (of pros) to all start on a low G and go up from  
> there. Your bowels would move involuntarily at high volumes when  
> that was played back on a mellotron (to quote our Martin). Of  
> course, I can't imagine how much recording something like that would  
> cost...
>
> We can dream, though!
>
> Rick
>

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 24, 2010 10:19 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


  
    
                  



On Jan 24, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Fritz Doddy wrote:


Say 65 players, which is decent size, coupla hours of studio time... 13.5k on the low end, 20k on the high end for top shelf NY players. Considering the tron is mono, you could nearly the same effect with far fewer players if voiced creatively.

Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan.


Yes, but there's also the chorus, a pipe organ and Martin would insist on at least dancing bears, if not elephants. A chariot race  between C1 and F#2 would also be nice if cost is no object.


In thinking about this, I guess you'd have to give the orchestra music in order to maximize the time spent. I can imagine their expressions as they look at 35 "footballs" on their pages. No dynamics, no tempo, no nothin'. That alone might be worth the money!

-----Original Message-----
From: lsf5275@aol.com
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 24, 2010 10:54 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


  
    
                  
Fritz, how is the war effort going over there? I hear the iApp terrorists are being captured at a furious rate and are being sent to Guantanamo iBay for debriefing, so to speak (no cameras allowed).
 
Frank
 

In a message dated 1/24/2010 10:05:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:
Sorry   for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan.

>
> This morning, I could use a sound with the opposite effect.  I know, over-sharing, but Rick brought it up.
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Rick Blechta <rick@> wrote:
> 
> Your bowels would move involuntarily at high volumes when that was played back on a mellotron (to quote our Martin).
>

From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 2:12 PM


  




Hmmm, must be different than white noise.
 

In a message dated 1/25/2010 12:11:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jonesalley@cox. net writes:
The "brown noise." SHouldn't that be a recorder?