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2009-02-06 by resistenzaaoltranza
Hello, there! I am a new proud Matrix1000 owner. Testing all the voices I felt something was wrong: pressing the same note six times, I hear the last behaving strange, sounding less full, flat...This happens each six notes played. Maybe one of the Cems has gone? Battery low? Even resonance sounds too "raw" and irregular to my ears...Any help or suggestion is highly appreciated, thanks!
2009-02-06 by Frank de Ruiter
----- Original Message -----From: resistenzaaoltranzaSent: Friday, February 06, 2009 6:53 PMSubject: [oberheim] Matrix1000: fault voice?Hello, there! I am a new proud Matrix1000 owner. Testing all the
voices I felt something was wrong: pressing the same note six times, I
hear the last behaving strange, sounding less full, flat...This
happens each six notes played. Maybe one of the Cems has gone? Battery
low? Even resonance sounds too "raw" and irregular to my ears...Any
help or suggestion is highly appreciated, thanks!
2009-02-06 by narfman96
Congratulations on your new purchase! There is a self calibration and voice test mode in the Matrix1000. This is explained on page 39 in the manual. Select Ext. Funct. #7 and press enter. Test 0 will run the auto calibration routine. The display will show CAL and it takes a few seconds to run. This will calibrate the oscillators, filters, and VCA's. Test 1 will show the voice that is triggered. If you have a bad CEM3396 voice chip you will hear the difference. One of mine had bit of noise for the attack portion of the envelope when all the other 5 voices sounded fine. Then you can replace the bad chip. I bought several from: www.maad.net/ms6/index.html They were $18 US each or 6 for $90.00. Let us know what you find, Fran --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, "resistenzaaoltranza" <resistenzaaoltranza@...> wrote:
> > Hello, there! I am a new proud Matrix1000 owner. Testing all the > voices I felt something was wrong: pressing the same note six times, I > hear the last behaving strange, sounding less full, flat...This > happens each six notes played. Maybe one of the Cems has gone? Battery > low? Even resonance sounds too "raw" and irregular to my ears...Any > help or suggestion is highly appreciated, thanks! >
2009-02-06 by Margus Kliimask
And if the calibration does not do the trick, find out which voice is the bad one (in Display Active Voice mode described below), then swap the CEM chips around and see if the problem moves to another voice. The problem could be a bad CEM chip or something else (and much cheaper) that drives the CEM. The voices are counted from right to left IIRC (check out my page http://wolzow.mindworks.ee/analog/m1k-firmware.htm to be sure). If the bad voice moves, you are in trouble. But not in a too deep one :) If it doesn't then it's much more complicated to figure out, but will cost you less. Regards, Margus
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 8:16 PM, narfman96 <narfman96@...> wrote: > Congratulations on your new purchase! > There is a self calibration and voice test mode in the Matrix1000. This > is explained on page 39 in the manual. Select Ext. Funct. #7 and press > enter. Test 0 will run the auto calibration routine. The display will > show CAL and it takes a few seconds to run. This will calibrate the > oscillators, filters, and VCA's. Test 1 will show the voice that is > triggered. If you have a bad CEM3396 voice chip you will hear the > difference. One of mine had bit of noise for the attack portion of the > envelope when all the other 5 voices sounded fine. Then you can replace > the bad chip. I bought several from: www.maad.net/ms6/index.html > They were $18 US each or 6 for $90.00. > > Let us know what you find, Fran > > --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, "resistenzaaoltranza" > > <resistenzaaoltranza@...> wrote: >> >> Hello, there! I am a new proud Matrix1000 owner. Testing all the >> voices I felt something was wrong: pressing the same note six times, I >> hear the last behaving strange, sounding less full, flat...This >> happens each six notes played. Maybe one of the Cems has gone? Battery >> low? Even resonance sounds too "raw" and irregular to my ears...Any >> help or suggestion is highly appreciated, thanks! >> > >
2009-02-06 by David Kyle
Hello, there! I am a new proud Matrix1000 owner. Testing all the
voices I felt something was wrong: pressing the same note six times, I
hear the last behaving strange, sounding less full, flat...This
happens each six notes played. Maybe one of the Cems has gone? Battery
low? Even resonance sounds too "raw" and irregular to my ears...Any
help or suggestion is highly appreciated, thanks!
2009-02-07 by resistenzaaoltranza
Many thanks for Your kindness.... I am going to try and then I will tell You. I forgot to write I have the 1.1 OS version, while the chip on the right side has a sticker named C3, if I am not wrong...And more, some of the presets can be played only in the left of the keyboard, some until the central part , some more or less. I could test it only by using a stereo headphone, with the sound sent all on the left. But most of the presets can be listened entirely on the whole extension of the keyboard, even with this lousy system... See Ya!
2009-02-08 by resistenzaaoltranza
Again, here am I. Good new and bad new: thanks to the self-calibration routine, You wisely suggested me, I finally noticed that the six voices sounds perfectly, with my satisfaction in listening lots of superb presets, so I think all the CEMs are OK, but....still I hear some strange behaviours on about 1/4 of the presets, that could be summarized as followed: 1) On some of the misfunctioning presets, the sound becomes thinner, something like "less chorus", on the last, let's say, two octaves. 2) On other ones it seems one oscillator resets its envelope, from the central part of the keyboard to left, more and more as I play higher notes, until one oscillator "disappears" with a progressive delay on the attack portion and an apparent resetting of the other values to zero. 3) On the rest, the sound disappears at all on the last octaves. I made a reset after the calibration, so I think there is nothing more to try....Well now I think It's something else but the CEMs, maybe the OS or, my humble opinion, worn presets memory battery...What do You think about? And I also beg You to report any error of mines in writing, just to allow me improving my English and let me explain myself better as a sign of respect to You all, Thanks a lot again, and cheers! Francesco.
2009-02-09 by rzakrin
--- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, "resistenzaaoltranza" <resistenzaaoltranza@...> wrote: > > Again, here am I. Good new and bad new: thanks to the > self-calibration routine, You wisely suggested me, I finally noticed > that the six voices sounds perfectly, with my satisfaction in > listening lots of superb presets, so I think all the CEMs are OK, > but....still I hear some strange behaviours on about 1/4 of the > presets, that could be summarized as followed: > > 1) On some of the misfunctioning presets, the sound becomes thinner, > something like "less chorus", on the last, let's say, two octaves. > > 2) On other ones it seems one oscillator resets its envelope, from the > central part of the keyboard to left, more and more as I play higher > notes, until one oscillator "disappears" with a progressive delay on > the attack portion and an apparent resetting of the other values to zero. > > 3) On the rest, the sound disappears at all on the last octaves. > > I made a reset after the calibration, so I think there is nothing > more to try....Well now I think It's something else but the CEMs, > maybe the OS or, my humble opinion, worn presets memory battery...What > do You think about? > > And I also beg You to report any error of mines in writing, just to > allow me improving my English and let me explain myself better as a > sign of respect to You all, > > Thanks a lot again, and cheers! > > Francesco. > I have the same problem, I would say about 2/3 of the patches work fine, the other third are unusable. I learned to live with it. Regarding errors in writing, there are a few...
2009-02-09 by F.Manduca
Da: rzakrin
Oggetto: [oberheim] Re: Matrix1000: fault voice?
A: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Data: Lunedì 9 febbraio 2009, 01:38--- In oberheim@yahoogroup s.com, "resistenzaaoltranz a"
wrote:
>
> Again, here am I. Good new and bad new: thanks to the
>; self-calibration routine, You wisely suggested me, I finally noticed
> that the six voices sounds perfectly, with my satisfaction in
> listening lots of superb presets, so I think all the CEMs are OK,
> but....still I hear some strange behaviours on about 1/4 of the
> presets, that could be summarized as followed:
>
> 1) On some of the misfunctioning presets, the sound becomes thinner,
> something like "less chorus", on the last, let's say, two octaves.
>
> 2) On other ones it seems one oscillator resets its envelope, from the
> central part of the keyboard to left, more and more as I play higher
> notes, until one oscillator "disappears" with a progressive delay on
> the attack portion and an apparent resetting of the other values to
zero.
>
> 3) On the rest, the sound disappears at all on the last octaves.
>
> I made a reset after the calibration, so I think there is nothing
> more to try....Well now I think It's something else but the CEMs,
> maybe the OS or, my humble opinion, worn presets memory battery...What
> do You think about?
>
> And I also beg You to report any error of mines in writing, just to
> allow me improving my English and let me explain myself better as a
> sign of respect to You all,
>
> Thanks a lot again, and cheers!
>
> Francesco.
>
I have the same problem, I would say about 2/3 of the patches work
fine, the other third are unusable. I learned to live with it.
Regarding errors in writing, there are a few...
2009-02-10 by ron zakrin
From: F.Manduca
Subject: R: [oberheim] Re: Matrix1000: fault voice?
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:41 AMThanks a lot, maybe Oberheim programmers made the presets in a hurry and nothing more. I only wish I could store some of my future patches so to find them sounding again exactly as I programmed them...This would be the most important thing....Did You managed to do this? And...did I tell You all I am seriously thinking to replace the internal battery already..... ;-P ?
Cheers,
Francesco.
--- Lun 9/2/09, rzakrin ha scritto:Da: rzakrin <;rzakrin@yahoo. com>
Oggetto: [oberheim] Re: Matrix1000: fault voice?
A: oberheim@yahoogroup s.com
Data: Lunedì 9 febbraio 2009, 01:38--- In oberheim@yahoogroup s.com, "resistenzaaoltranz a"
wrote:
>
> Again, here am I. Good new and bad new: thanks to the
> self-calibration routine, You wisely suggested me, I finally noticed
> that the six voices sounds perfectly, with my satisfaction in
> listening lots of superb presets, so I think all the CEMs are OK,
> but....still I hear some strange behaviours on about 1/4 of the
> presets, that could be summarized as followed:
>
> 1) On some of the misfunctioning presets, the sound becomes thinner,
> something like "less chorus", on the last, let's say, two octaves.
>
> 2) On other ones it seems one oscillator resets its envelope, from the
> central part of the keyboard to left, more and more as I play higher
> notes, until one oscillator "disappears" with a progressive delay on
> the attack portion and an apparent resetting of the other values to
zero.
>
> 3) On the rest, the sound disappears at all on the last octaves.
>
> I made a reset after the calibration, so I think there is nothing
> more to try....Well now I think It's something else but the CEMs,
> maybe the OS or, my humble opinion, worn presets memory battery...What
> do You think about?
>
> And I also beg You to report any error of mines in writing, just to
> allow me improving my English and let me explain myself better as a
> sign of respect to You all,
>
> Thanks a lot again, and cheers!
>
> Francesco.
>
I have the same problem, I would say about 2/3 of the patches work
fine, the other third are unusable. I learned to live with it.
Regarding errors in writing, there are a few...
Passa a Yahoo! Mail.
La webmail che ti offre GRATIS spazio illimitato, antispam e messenger integrato. ;
2009-02-10 by F.Manduca
Ha, ha 8-), yes, indeed! Well, I was lucky to notice as, after following wise suggestions from other members to run the calibration test as shown in the manual, page 39, I could hear the sixth voice running happily together with the other five correctly! Did You already try? Next move, I am trying
to store some customized preset, in order to check how they sound after turning the unit off and on again...After I changed the internal battery, of course...( This recalls to my memory the funny parrot playing in puppets "Pets" TV serial, repeating all the times at the end of its sketches: " Did I already tell You I enourmusly like drinking my *****" ,at least as translated here in Italy...;-).
Cheers, and please, just let me know if You can set something succesfully,my best wishes!
Francesco.
--- Mar 10/2/09, ron zakrin <rzakrin@...> ha scritto:
Da: ron zakrin <rzakrin@...>
Oggetto: Re: R: [oberheim] Re: Matrix1000: fault voice?
A: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Data: Martedì 10 febbraio 2009, 04:14
Hey, it's me again. Like I said, some of my patches are messed up... some are missing one note out of six, some have other issues. I have learned to aaccept this problem because most of the patches are fine. I wanted to tell you that one of your cem's may be bad, regardless of the calibration test you did. That's my hunch. But good luck with your OB. I wish Tom Oberheim would act more like Dave Smith and get back to Synthesizers, dammit!
-R
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, F.Manduca <resistenzaaoltranza @...> wrote:From: F.Manduca <resistenzaaoltranza @...>
Subject: R: [oberheim] Re: Matrix1000: fault voice?
To: oberheim@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:41 AM
Thanks a lot, maybe Oberheim programmers made the presets in a hurry and nothing more. I only wish I could store some of my future patches so to find them sounding again exactly as I programmed them...This would be the most important thing....Did You managed to do this? And...did I tell You all I am seriously thinking to replace the internal battery already..... ;-P ?
Cheers,
Francesco.
--- Lun 9/2/09, rzakrin <rzakrin@yahoo. com> ha scritto:
Da: rzakrin <rzakrin@yahoo. com>
Oggetto: [oberheim] Re: Matrix1000: fault voice?
A: oberheim@yahoogroup
s.com
Data: Lunedì 9 febbraio 2009, 01:38
--- In oberheim@yahoogroup s.com, "resistenzaaoltranz a"
<resistenzaaoltranz a@...> wrote:
>
> Again, here am I. Good new and bad new: thanks to the
> self-calibration routine, You wisely suggested me, I finally noticed
> that the six voices sounds perfectly, with my satisfaction in
> listening lots of superb presets, so I think all the CEMs are OK,
> but....still I hear some strange behaviours on about 1/4 of the
> presets, that could be summarized as followed:
>
> 1) On some of the misfunctioning presets, the sound becomes thinner,
> something like "less chorus", on the last, let's say, two octaves.
>
> 2) On other ones it seems one oscillator resets its envelope, from the
> central part of the keyboard to left, more and more as I play higher
> notes, until one oscillator "disappears" with a progressive delay on
> the attack portion and an apparent resetting of the other values to
zero.
>
> 3) On the rest, the sound disappears at all on the last octaves.
>
> I made a reset after the calibration, so I think there is nothing
> more to try....Well now I think It's something else but the CEMs,
> maybe the OS or, my humble opinion, worn presets memory battery...What
> do You think about?
>
> And I also beg You to report any error of mines in writing, just to
> allow me improving my English and let me explain myself better as a
> sign of respect to You all,
>
> Thanks a lot again, and cheers!
>
> Francesco.
>
I have the same problem, I would say about 2/3 of the patches work
fine, the other third are unusable. I learned to live with it.
Regarding errors in writing, there are a few...
Passa a Yahoo! Mail.
La webmail che ti offre GRATIS spazio illimitato, antispam e messenger integrato.
Passa a Yahoo! Mail.
La webmail che ti offre GRATIS spazio illimitato,
antispam e messenger integrato.
http://it.mail.yahoo.com/2009-02-10 by Mr Ralf Schildan
Hi everybody, i think I haven´t read this before here, if I missed it, sorry for the unnecessary information. The thing to check after selfcalibration is the following: View the Voices as they are played: 1. press Selet button to get to "Ext Funct" 2. press 7 then Enter 3. press + button to display "1" 4. Press Enter 5. the display shows the voice as it is played Now hit the keys and when you here a fault or nothing - thats the voice with the fault. Now change chips and see how it behaves, if the fault moves with the chip, its the chip. Hope this helps, Ralf
2009-02-10 by Mr Ralf Schildan
Ah, and I forgot, sometimes it´s enough just to take a chip out, clean the contacts and put it in again, firmly ;)