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cleaning polysix key contacts

cleaning polysix key contacts

2009-02-21 by wasteking1

the last time i cleaned my key contacts i used alchohol and a q-tip, 
but the results didnt last and were inconsistant. Some notes 
were 'sluggish',almost had a delay, others had to be hit multiple 
timrs......   So I recently cleaned them again, this time using LIGHTER 
FLUID  (ronsonal)  and a q-tip. I was very careful not to get the fluid 
on the laquer of the pc-board, Interestingly, i got a black residue 
from many of the round magnets on the q-tip,(but not all) .  i NEVER 
got any signs of  residue using alchohol. Now the keys work great, all 
instant contacts, no sluggish response. Perhaps this stronger solvent 
is more effective?  seems that way to me.

Re: cleaning polysix key contacts

2009-02-21 by Andrew Jury

Ha!

Just don't let anyone ever smoke near it! Only joking! I had a very 
intermittent Polysix keyboard in a while back and no end of using IPA 
would make a great deal of difference to the contacts. I ended up using 
this stuff:

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?
method=getProduct&R=2638089

This is, used in the right amounts, seems to be a good solution for 
cleaning both the contacts and PCB pads. It's the type of thing you 
would normally use on high voltage switch gear and the such like. The 
keyboard is now still working about 5 months after it was last 
serviced. I think, like you have noted, sometime you just need 
something a little stronger than IPA. In this case it is a trade off 
between something that works without causing any damage or so strong it 
starts dissolving things. 

I wonder if we took a set of these contact pads to a component 
manufacturer and asked then to build a replica what the minimum 
production run would be to make it a viable task. If we had 10,000 made 
I'd bet they would all sell!

Cheers,
Andy


--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, "wasteking1" <wasteking1@...> wrote:
>
> the last time i cleaned my key contacts i used alchohol and a q-tip, 
> but the results didnt last and were inconsistant. Some notes 
> were 'sluggish',almost had a delay, others had to be hit multiple 
> timrs......   So I recently cleaned them again, this time using 
LIGHTER 
> FLUID  (ronsonal)  and a q-tip. I was very careful not to get the 
fluid 
> on the laquer of the pc-board, Interestingly, i got a black residue 
> from many of the round magnets on the q-tip,(but not all) .  i NEVER 
> got any signs of  residue using alchohol. Now the keys work great, 
all 
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> instant contacts, no sluggish response. Perhaps this stronger solvent 
> is more effective?  seems that way to me.
>

Re: [PolySix] Re: cleaning polysix key contacts

2009-02-22 by Oliver Fairhall

Hi Andrew,

Are you sure there would need to be a replica made? I thought it may be
possible to replace these with a standard part from a modern keypad, or
similar. This type of contact pad is still used a lot. It may not be
easy to find these for small quantity sale (of course, 10,000 is a
different matter). Existing parts would not likely have quite the right
dimensions, but I doubt the dimensions would be too critical (I think a
little narrower radius, thicker or thinner would all be fine).

In the next couple of weeks, I will meet with the supervisor from my old
job, who gets keypads made for HF radios. His rubber keypads come as a
single piece, to his design, from an outsourced fab plant. He may be
able to give me some pointers for this (though maybe not). I'll post
back here if I get a result.

BTW, IIRC, these pads are rubber, with a coating of conductive silicon
or metalised powder adhered to the surface. As the conducting layer
would only be a surface treatment, I imagine that one could wear it out,
or accidentally clean it off. Has anyone had experience with this?

My keyboard has been bad for years, and I haven't yet found a
satisfactory solution. I haven't felt like buying one of the not so
cheap re-coating compounds. I'll try the lighter fluid next time I open
the synth.

Cheers,

Oli
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On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 23:09 +0000, Andrew Jury wrote:
> Ha!
> 
> Just don't let anyone ever smoke near it! Only joking! I had a very 
> intermittent Polysix keyboard in a while back and no end of using IPA 
> would make a great deal of difference to the contacts. I ended up using 
> this stuff:
> 
> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?
> method=getProduct&R=2638089
> 
> This is, used in the right amounts, seems to be a good solution for 
> cleaning both the contacts and PCB pads. It's the type of thing you 
> would normally use on high voltage switch gear and the such like. The 
> keyboard is now still working about 5 months after it was last 
> serviced. I think, like you have noted, sometime you just need 
> something a little stronger than IPA. In this case it is a trade off 
> between something that works without causing any damage or so strong it 
> starts dissolving things. 
> 
> I wonder if we took a set of these contact pads to a component 
> manufacturer and asked then to build a replica what the minimum 
> production run would be to make it a viable task. If we had 10,000 made 
> I'd bet they would all sell!
> 
> Cheers,
> Andy
> 
> 
> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, "wasteking1" <wasteking1@...> wrote:
> >
> > the last time i cleaned my key contacts i used alchohol and a q-tip, 
> > but the results didnt last and were inconsistant. Some notes 
> > were 'sluggish',almost had a delay, others had to be hit multiple 
> > timrs......   So I recently cleaned them again, this time using 
> LIGHTER 
> > FLUID  (ronsonal)  and a q-tip. I was very careful not to get the 
> fluid 
> > on the laquer of the pc-board, Interestingly, i got a black residue 
> > from many of the round magnets on the q-tip,(but not all) .  i NEVER 
> > got any signs of  residue using alchohol. Now the keys work great, 
> all 
> > instant contacts, no sluggish response. Perhaps this stronger solvent 
> > is more effective?  seems that way to me.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> PolySix "Digiest" Page: http://www.acc.umu.se/~amber/Poly6Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>

Re: [PolySix] Re: cleaning polysix key contacts

2009-02-22 by Oliver Fairhall

On Sun, 2009-02-22 at 18:41 +0900, Oliver Fairhall wrote:
> BTW, IIRC, these pads are rubber, with a coating of conductive silicon
> or metalised powder adhered to the surface. As the conducting layer
> would only be a surface treatment, I imagine that one could wear it out,
> or accidentally clean it off. Has anyone had experience with this?

Sorry, I think these are actually carbon coated. Forgot that.

-Oli
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> 
> On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 23:09 +0000, Andrew Jury wrote:
> > Ha!
> > 
> > Just don't let anyone ever smoke near it! Only joking! I had a very 
> > intermittent Polysix keyboard in a while back and no end of using IPA 
> > would make a great deal of difference to the contacts. I ended up using 
> > this stuff:
> > 
> > http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?
> > method=getProduct&R=2638089
> > 
> > This is, used in the right amounts, seems to be a good solution for 
> > cleaning both the contacts and PCB pads. It's the type of thing you 
> > would normally use on high voltage switch gear and the such like. The 
> > keyboard is now still working about 5 months after it was last 
> > serviced. I think, like you have noted, sometime you just need 
> > something a little stronger than IPA. In this case it is a trade off 
> > between something that works without causing any damage or so strong it 
> > starts dissolving things. 
> > 
> > I wonder if we took a set of these contact pads to a component 
> > manufacturer and asked then to build a replica what the minimum 
> > production run would be to make it a viable task. If we had 10,000 made 
> > I'd bet they would all sell!
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Andy
> > 
> > 
> > --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, "wasteking1" <wasteking1@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > the last time i cleaned my key contacts i used alchohol and a q-tip, 
> > > but the results didnt last and were inconsistant. Some notes 
> > > were 'sluggish',almost had a delay, others had to be hit multiple 
> > > timrs......   So I recently cleaned them again, this time using 
> > LIGHTER 
> > > FLUID  (ronsonal)  and a q-tip. I was very careful not to get the 
> > fluid 
> > > on the laquer of the pc-board, Interestingly, i got a black residue 
> > > from many of the round magnets on the q-tip,(but not all) .  i NEVER 
> > > got any signs of  residue using alchohol. Now the keys work great, 
> > all 
> > > instant contacts, no sluggish response. Perhaps this stronger solvent 
> > > is more effective?  seems that way to me.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------
> > 
> > PolySix "Digiest" Page: http://www.acc.umu.se/~amber/Poly6Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> PolySix "Digiest" Page: http://www.acc.umu.se/~amber/Poly6Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>

RE: [PolySix] Re: cleaning polysix key contacts

2009-02-22 by Andrew Jury

Hi Oli,

 

I guess it was just one of those 'off the cuff' late night thoughts I have
from time to time. It just strikes me that if I had a bag of 'new' Polysix
key contacts for sale I think they would sell out very quickly (or would
they?) I am sure everyone dreads the fiddly cleaning of 61 contacts or
gluing on bits of tin foil or whatever the best way of patching these up at
the moment is. I don't have an plans to do this as you might have to have a
million made to recoup the costs or the R and D outlay might be thousands of
dollars against what you could reasonable charge for a new one. In an idea
world I also like to have key caps and switch frames remanufactured too, but
I fear this would also be just as unviable!

 

Cheers,

Andy
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From: PolySix@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PolySix@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Oliver Fairhall
Sent: 22 February 2009 09:42
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PolySix] Re: cleaning polysix key contacts

 

Hi Andrew,

Are you sure there would need to be a replica made? I thought it may be
possible to replace these with a standard part from a modern keypad, or
similar. This type of contact pad is still used a lot. It may not be
easy to find these for small quantity sale (of course, 10,000 is a
different matter). Existing parts would not likely have quite the right
dimensions, but I doubt the dimensions would be too critical (I think a
little narrower radius, thicker or thinner would all be fine).

In the next couple of weeks, I will meet with the supervisor from my old
job, who gets keypads made for HF radios. His rubber keypads come as a
single piece, to his design, from an outsourced fab plant. He may be
able to give me some pointers for this (though maybe not). I'll post
back here if I get a result.

BTW, IIRC, these pads are rubber, with a coating of conductive silicon
or metalised powder adhered to the surface. As the conducting layer
would only be a surface treatment, I imagine that one could wear it out,
or accidentally clean it off. Has anyone had experience with this?

My keyboard has been bad for years, and I haven't yet found a
satisfactory solution. I haven't felt like buying one of the not so
cheap re-coating compounds. I'll try the lighter fluid next time I open
the synth.

Cheers,

Oli

On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 23:09 +0000, Andrew Jury wrote:
> Ha!
> 
> Just don't let anyone ever smoke near it! Only joking! I had a very 
> intermittent Polysix keyboard in a while back and no end of using IPA 
> would make a great deal of difference to the contacts. I ended up using 
> this stuff:
> 
> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?
> method=getProduct&R=2638089
> 
> This is, used in the right amounts, seems to be a good solution for 
> cleaning both the contacts and PCB pads. It's the type of thing you 
> would normally use on high voltage switch gear and the such like. The 
> keyboard is now still working about 5 months after it was last 
> serviced. I think, like you have noted, sometime you just need 
> something a little stronger than IPA. In this case it is a trade off 
> between something that works without causing any damage or so strong it 
> starts dissolving things. 
> 
> I wonder if we took a set of these contact pads to a component 
> manufacturer and asked then to build a replica what the minimum 
> production run would be to make it a viable task. If we had 10,000 made 
> I'd bet they would all sell!
> 
> Cheers,
> Andy
> 
> 
> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PolySix%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"wasteking1" <wasteking1@...> wrote:
> >
> > the last time i cleaned my key contacts i used alchohol and a q-tip, 
> > but the results didnt last and were inconsistant. Some notes 
> > were 'sluggish',almost had a delay, others had to be hit multiple 
> > timrs...... So I recently cleaned them again, this time using 
> LIGHTER 
> > FLUID (ronsonal) and a q-tip. I was very careful not to get the 
> fluid 
> > on the laquer of the pc-board, Interestingly, i got a black residue 
> > from many of the round magnets on the q-tip,(but not all) . i NEVER 
> > got any signs of residue using alchohol. Now the keys work great, 
> all 
> > instant contacts, no sluggish response. Perhaps this stronger solvent 
> > is more effective? seems that way to me.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> PolySix "Digiest" Page: http://www.acc.umu.se/~amber/Poly6Yahoo! Groups
Links
> 
> 
> 





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