Discussion about the Korg PolySix synthesizer

Hi everybody,

I'm quite desperate here, so I hope someone could help me a bit especially because I'm not very good in English and I'm not an electronic guy!
A couple of years ago I found a polysix which had the famous leak battery problem, so impossible to play on it.

I tried to repair the KLM 367 but with no success. 
Then i discovered the Jed's project

Today I've just finished to solder all the parts on the KLM-367A clone board.
I put the board back on my P6. Then I turned it on.

First, the programmer panel seems to work fine, Led button repond when I push them

BUT there is no sound at all. Just some attack sound, some 'blops'.

When I hold a key down, I can hear the note coming very slowly and fade out. Just like the LEd of the MG panel fading In and Out very slowly.

The Mg frequency, delay and level's knobs don't affect the modulation. Even if the modulation level is at 0, the sound is fully modulated

So I guess it's the MG section which seems to not work properly. It looks like it is stuck on a very slow frequency and there is no way to cut the modulation.
 

Also cutoff, resonance, eg int, keyboard track knobs don't seem to change the sound.

When I built the new Jed's PCB, I used from the old board the mask rom IC, the TC5514APL-3 IC, the two LM13600 ICs and the 2SA798

What do you think? Is it possible that one of the Ic is dead? Or does it look like the problem is deeper?

Please excuse my poor english !


Cheers!

Vincent

Hi Vincent,

Did you fix the two PCB errors noted here (#1 & #3):
https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors

<https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors>Also,
did you calibrate the board following the build as per the service manual?

Jed

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, kluberrrrr <KLBR@free.fr> wrote:

>
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I'm quite desperate here, so I hope someone could help me a bit especially
> because I'm not very good in English and I'm not an electronic guy!
> A couple of years ago I found a polysix which had the famous leak battery
> problem, so impossible to play on it.
>
> I tried to repair the KLM 367 but with no success.
> Then i discovered the Jed's project
>
> Today I've just finished to solder all the parts on the KLM-367A clone
> board.
> I put the board back on my P6. Then I turned it on.
>
> First, the programmer panel seems to work fine, Led button repond when I
> push them
>
> BUT there is no sound at all. Just some attack sound, some 'blops'.
>
> When I hold a key down, I can hear the note coming very slowly and fade
> out. Just like the LEd of the MG panel fading In and Out very slowly.
>
> The Mg frequency, delay and level's knobs don't affect the modulation. Even
> if the modulation level is at 0, the sound is fully modulated
>
> So I guess it's the MG section which seems to not work properly. It looks
> like it is stuck on a very slow frequency and there is no way to cut the
> modulation.
>
>
> Also cutoff, resonance, eg int, keyboard track knobs don't seem to change
> the sound.
>
> When I built the new Jed's PCB, I used from the old board the mask rom IC,
> the TC5514APL-3 IC, the two LM13600 ICs and the 2SA798
>
> What do you think? Is it possible that one of the Ic is dead? Or does it
> look like the problem is deeper?
>
> Please excuse my poor english !
>
> Cheers!
>
> Vincent
>
>  
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Jed,

first I'd like to thank you for what you did for the P6 itself and of course its users! Even if my P6 doesn't work yet I remain positive :)
I also appreciate you fast answer! thanks!

I fixed the R52 and R98 issues. I was hesitating by doing the last one ( lift the resistance 9 and cut the trace) I did it : unsoldering one leg of the R9 cut the trace and put a jumper between the CN 06 pin 02 and the unsoldered leg of the R09.

No more sound at all !Well, I can hear on the background the modulation if i put the gain  very high of the audio amp. The knobs on the MG panel remain unusable

Before to did the fix, I was able to hear the notes played through the modulation generator which went in and out very slowly in any MG mod ( vca vcf )with a very normal volume. I'm sure that the sound is modulate because I can follow the MG led with the fade of the sound

I don't have done the VR adjustments yet because I don't have any access to an oscilloscope. But I'm not sure it will change a lot. My first target is to have the sound back without the modulation on it  .

Should I put the R09 back and remove the jumper? and try something else? Or should I try to do the Don B. fix on the 368 board?

Could the problem on my P6 come from another part?

Cheers!

Vincent   



--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, Jed Jorgensen <jed.jorgensen@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Vincent,
> 
> Did you fix the two PCB errors noted here (#1 & #3):
> https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors
> 
> <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors>Also,
> did you calibrate the board following the build as per the service manual?
> 
> Jed
> 
> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, kluberrrrr <KLBR@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > I'm quite desperate here, so I hope someone could help me a bit especially
> > because I'm not very good in English and I'm not an electronic guy!
> > A couple of years ago I found a polysix which had the famous leak battery
> > problem, so impossible to play on it.
> >
> > I tried to repair the KLM 367 but with no success.
> > Then i discovered the Jed's project
> >
> > Today I've just finished to solder all the parts on the KLM-367A clone
> > board.
> > I put the board back on my P6. Then I turned it on.
> >
> > First, the programmer panel seems to work fine, Led button repond when I
> > push them
> >
> > BUT there is no sound at all. Just some attack sound, some 'blops'.
> >
> > When I hold a key down, I can hear the note coming very slowly and fade
> > out. Just like the LEd of the MG panel fading In and Out very slowly.
> >
> > The Mg frequency, delay and level's knobs don't affect the modulation. Even
> > if the modulation level is at 0, the sound is fully modulated
> >
> > So I guess it's the MG section which seems to not work properly. It looks
> > like it is stuck on a very slow frequency and there is no way to cut the
> > modulation.
> >
> >
> > Also cutoff, resonance, eg int, keyboard track knobs don't seem to change
> > the sound.
> >
> > When I built the new Jed's PCB, I used from the old board the mask rom IC,
> > the TC5514APL-3 IC, the two LM13600 ICs and the 2SA798
> >
> > What do you think? Is it possible that one of the Ic is dead? Or does it
> > look like the problem is deeper?
> >
> > Please excuse my poor english !
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Vincent
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Vincent,

First thing. Does the P6 do the same thing in Œmanual¹ mode. If you have
just constructed the board the SRAM will be in an unknown state and the
patches will play all sorts of odd sounds. If you have selected Œmanual¹
which is it just the MG section that doesn¹t work? Don¹t assume just because
it sounds like the MG is at fault this is the problem. Go through each of
the control knobs and write down which ones do not seem to do anything. If
you can summarize this then we might be able to work out what has gone
wrong. If you are really desperate and can¹t figure it then contact me
outside the forum and I might be able to help you (I am just over the Le
Manche). This is certainly not a beginner¹s project! But if you do manage to
get it going then you will certainly learn a great deal. A scope is an
absolute must!

Cheers,
Andy


On 14/05/2010 12:22, "kluberrrrr" <KLBR@free.fr> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
>    
> 
> Hi Jed,
> 
> first I'd like to thank you for what you did for the P6 itself and of course
> its users! Even if my P6 doesn't work yet I remain positive :)
> I also appreciate you fast answer! thanks!
> 
> I fixed the R52 and R98 issues. I was hesitating by doing the last one ( lift
> the resistance 9 and cut the trace) I did it : unsoldering one leg of the R9
> cut the trace and put a jumper between the CN 06 pin 02 and the unsoldered leg
> of the R09.
> 
> No more sound at all !Well, I can hear on the background the modulation if i
> put the gain  very high of the audio amp. The knobs on the MG panel remain
> unusable
> 
> Before to did the fix, I was able to hear the notes played through the
> modulation generator which went in and out very slowly in any MG mod ( vca vcf
> )with a very normal volume. I'm sure that the sound is modulate because I can
> follow the MG led with the fade of the sound
> 
> I don't have done the VR adjustments yet because I don't have any access to an
> oscilloscope. But I'm not sure it will change a lot. My first target is to
> have the sound back without the modulation on it  .
> 
> Should I put the R09 back and remove the jumper? and try something else? Or
> should I try to do the Don B. fix on the 368 board?
> 
> Could the problem on my P6 come from another part?
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Vincent   
> 
> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PolySix%40yahoogroups.com> , Jed
> Jorgensen <jed.jorgensen@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Vincent,
>> > 
>> > Did you fix the two PCB errors noted here (#1 & #3):
>> > https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors
>> > 
>> > 
>> 
<https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors>Al>>
so,
>> > did you calibrate the board following the build as per the service manual?
>> > 
>> > Jed
>> > 
>> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, kluberrrrr <KLBR@...> wrote:
>> > 
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Hi everybody,
>>> > >
>>> > > I'm quite desperate here, so I hope someone could help me a bit
>>> especially
>>> > > because I'm not very good in English and I'm not an electronic guy!
>>> > > A couple of years ago I found a polysix which had the famous leak
>>> battery
>>> > > problem, so impossible to play on it.
>>> > >
>>> > > I tried to repair the KLM 367 but with no success.
>>> > > Then i discovered the Jed's project
>>> > >
>>> > > Today I've just finished to solder all the parts on the KLM-367A clone
>>> > > board.
>>> > > I put the board back on my P6. Then I turned it on.
>>> > >
>>> > > First, the programmer panel seems to work fine, Led button repond when I
>>> > > push them
>>> > >
>>> > > BUT there is no sound at all. Just some attack sound, some 'blops'.
>>> > >
>>> > > When I hold a key down, I can hear the note coming very slowly and fade
>>> > > out. Just like the LEd of the MG panel fading In and Out very slowly.
>>> > >
>>> > > The Mg frequency, delay and level's knobs don't affect the modulation.
>>> Even
>>> > > if the modulation level is at 0, the sound is fully modulated
>>> > >
>>> > > So I guess it's the MG section which seems to not work properly. It >>>
looks
>>> > > like it is stuck on a very slow frequency and there is no way to cut the
>>> > > modulation.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Also cutoff, resonance, eg int, keyboard track knobs don't seem to
>>> change
>>> > > the sound.
>>> > >
>>> > > When I built the new Jed's PCB, I used from the old board the mask rom
IC,
>>> > > the TC5514APL-3 IC, the two LM13600 ICs and the 2SA798
>>> > >
>>> > > What do you think? Is it possible that one of the Ic is dead? Or does it
>>> > > look like the problem is deeper?
>>> > >
>>> > > Please excuse my poor english !
>>> > >
>>> > > Cheers!
>>> > >
>>> > > Vincent
>>> > >
>>> > >  
>>> > >
>> > 
>> > 
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
> 
>  
>    
> 
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Vincent,

Yes, put R9 back and re-jumper the trace you cut. That modification isn't
recommended unless you have LFO noise present that can't be fixed by another
method. I've updated my website to make that clear.

The calibration procedure on the VR's is necessary to make the board and the
P6 function correctly. You can begin parts of the procedure without an
oscilloscope, but as Andy noted you have to have one to do the job
correctly.

Do you have a copy of the service manual? I'll put one on my website soon,
but I'm pretty sure it is in the files section at the yahoo groups page.

Jed

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:22 AM, kluberrrrr <KLBR@free.fr> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Jed,
>
> first I'd like to thank you for what you did for the P6 itself and of
> course its users! Even if my P6 doesn't work yet I remain positive :)
> I also appreciate you fast answer! thanks!
>
> I fixed the R52 and R98 issues. I was hesitating by doing the last one (
> lift the resistance 9 and cut the trace) I did it : unsoldering one leg of
> the R9 cut the trace and put a jumper between the CN 06 pin 02 and the
> unsoldered leg of the R09.
>
> No more sound at all !Well, I can hear on the background the modulation if
> i put the gain very high of the audio amp. The knobs on the MG panel remain
> unusable
>
> Before to did the fix, I was able to hear the notes played through the
> modulation generator which went in and out very slowly in any MG mod ( vca
> vcf )with a very normal volume. I'm sure that the sound is modulate because
> I can follow the MG led with the fade of the sound
>
> I don't have done the VR adjustments yet because I don't have any access to
> an oscilloscope. But I'm not sure it will change a lot. My first target is
> to have the sound back without the modulation on it .
>
> Should I put the R09 back and remove the jumper? and try something else? Or
> should I try to do the Don B. fix on the 368 board?
>
> Could the problem on my P6 come from another part?
>
> Cheers!
>
> Vincent
>
> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <PolySix%40yahoogroups.com>, Jed Jorgensen
> <jed.jorgensen@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Vincent,
> >
> > Did you fix the two PCB errors noted here (#1 & #3):
> >
> https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors
> >
> > <
> https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors
> >Also,
> > did you calibrate the board following the build as per the service
> manual?
> >
> > Jed
> >
> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, kluberrrrr <KLBR@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi everybody,
> > >
> > > I'm quite desperate here, so I hope someone could help me a bit
> especially
> > > because I'm not very good in English and I'm not an electronic guy!
> > > A couple of years ago I found a polysix which had the famous leak
> battery
> > > problem, so impossible to play on it.
> > >
> > > I tried to repair the KLM 367 but with no success.
> > > Then i discovered the Jed's project
> > >
> > > Today I've just finished to solder all the parts on the KLM-367A clone
> > > board.
> > > I put the board back on my P6. Then I turned it on.
> > >
> > > First, the programmer panel seems to work fine, Led button repond when
> I
> > > push them
> > >
> > > BUT there is no sound at all. Just some attack sound, some 'blops'.
> > >
> > > When I hold a key down, I can hear the note coming very slowly and fade
> > > out. Just like the LEd of the MG panel fading In and Out very slowly.
> > >
> > > The Mg frequency, delay and level's knobs don't affect the modulation.
> Even
> > > if the modulation level is at 0, the sound is fully modulated
> > >
> > > So I guess it's the MG section which seems to not work properly. It
> looks
> > > like it is stuck on a very slow frequency and there is no way to cut
> the
> > > modulation.
> > >
> > >
> > > Also cutoff, resonance, eg int, keyboard track knobs don't seem to
> change
> > > the sound.
> > >
> > > When I built the new Jed's PCB, I used from the old board the mask rom
> IC,
> > > the TC5514APL-3 IC, the two LM13600 ICs and the 2SA798
> > >
> > > What do you think? Is it possible that one of the Ic is dead? Or does
> it
> > > look like the problem is deeper?
> > >
> > > Please excuse my poor english !
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > >
> > > Vincent
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Vincent,

I've put a copy of the service manual on my webpage here:
http://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors/manuals<https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors/manuals>

<https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors/manuals>This
is not a complete copy of the manual, but it has the calibration procedure
that you need to follow. The calibration procedure for the 367 board is on
pages 10 and 11.

Jed

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Jed Jorgensen <jed.jorgensen@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Vincent,
>
> Yes, put R9 back and re-jumper the trace you cut. That modification isn't
> recommended unless you have LFO noise present that can't be fixed by another
> method. I've updated my website to make that clear.
>
> The calibration procedure on the VR's is necessary to make the board and
> the P6 function correctly. You can begin parts of the procedure without an
> oscilloscope, but as Andy noted you have to have one to do the job
> correctly.
>
> Do you have a copy of the service manual? I'll put one on my website soon,
> but I'm pretty sure it is in the files section at the yahoo groups page.
>
> Jed
>
> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:22 AM, kluberrrrr <KLBR@free.fr> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi Jed,
>>
>> first I'd like to thank you for what you did for the P6 itself and of
>> course its users! Even if my P6 doesn't work yet I remain positive :)
>> I also appreciate you fast answer! thanks!
>>
>> I fixed the R52 and R98 issues. I was hesitating by doing the last one (
>> lift the resistance 9 and cut the trace) I did it : unsoldering one leg of
>> the R9 cut the trace and put a jumper between the CN 06 pin 02 and the
>> unsoldered leg of the R09.
>>
>> No more sound at all !Well, I can hear on the background the modulation if
>> i put the gain very high of the audio amp. The knobs on the MG panel remain
>> unusable
>>
>> Before to did the fix, I was able to hear the notes played through the
>> modulation generator which went in and out very slowly in any MG mod ( vca
>> vcf )with a very normal volume. I'm sure that the sound is modulate because
>> I can follow the MG led with the fade of the sound
>>
>> I don't have done the VR adjustments yet because I don't have any access
>> to an oscilloscope. But I'm not sure it will change a lot. My first target
>> is to have the sound back without the modulation on it .
>>
>> Should I put the R09 back and remove the jumper? and try something else?
>> Or should I try to do the Don B. fix on the 368 board?
>>
>> Could the problem on my P6 come from another part?
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Vincent
>>
>> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <PolySix%40yahoogroups.com>, Jed Jorgensen
>> <jed.jorgensen@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Vincent,
>> >
>> > Did you fix the two PCB errors noted here (#1 & #3):
>> >
>> https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors
>> >
>> > <
>> https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors
>> >Also,
>> > did you calibrate the board following the build as per the service
>> manual?
>> >
>> > Jed
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, kluberrrrr <KLBR@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hi everybody,
>> > >
>> > > I'm quite desperate here, so I hope someone could help me a bit
>> especially
>> > > because I'm not very good in English and I'm not an electronic guy!
>> > > A couple of years ago I found a polysix which had the famous leak
>> battery
>> > > problem, so impossible to play on it.
>> > >
>> > > I tried to repair the KLM 367 but with no success.
>> > > Then i discovered the Jed's project
>> > >
>> > > Today I've just finished to solder all the parts on the KLM-367A clone
>> > > board.
>> > > I put the board back on my P6. Then I turned it on.
>> > >
>> > > First, the programmer panel seems to work fine, Led button repond when
>> I
>> > > push them
>> > >
>> > > BUT there is no sound at all. Just some attack sound, some 'blops'.
>> > >
>> > > When I hold a key down, I can hear the note coming very slowly and
>> fade
>> > > out. Just like the LEd of the MG panel fading In and Out very slowly.
>> > >
>> > > The Mg frequency, delay and level's knobs don't affect the modulation.
>> Even
>> > > if the modulation level is at 0, the sound is fully modulated
>> > >
>> > > So I guess it's the MG section which seems to not work properly. It
>> looks
>> > > like it is stuck on a very slow frequency and there is no way to cut
>> the
>> > > modulation.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Also cutoff, resonance, eg int, keyboard track knobs don't seem to
>> change
>> > > the sound.
>> > >
>> > > When I built the new Jed's PCB, I used from the old board the mask rom
>> IC,
>> > > the TC5514APL-3 IC, the two LM13600 ICs and the 2SA798
>> > >
>> > > What do you think? Is it possible that one of the Ic is dead? Or does
>> it
>> > > look like the problem is deeper?
>> > >
>> > > Please excuse my poor english !
>> > >
>> > > Cheers!
>> > >
>> > > Vincent
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>>
>>  
>>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Man, I'm way too impatient this morning. Andy just sent me a complete copy
of the manual. That is now up on my website. I'm also putting a copy in the
file section here.

J

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Jed Jorgensen <jed.jorgensen@gmail.com>wrote:

> Vincent,
>
> I've put a copy of the service manual on my webpage here:
> http://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors/manuals<https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors/manuals>
>
>
> <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors/manuals>This
> is not a complete copy of the manual, but it has the calibration procedure
> that you need to follow. The calibration procedure for the 367 board is on
> pages 10 and 11.
>
> Jed
>
>
> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Jed Jorgensen <jed.jorgensen@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Vincent,
>>
>> Yes, put R9 back and re-jumper the trace you cut. That modification isn't
>> recommended unless you have LFO noise present that can't be fixed by another
>> method. I've updated my website to make that clear.
>>
>> The calibration procedure on the VR's is necessary to make the board and
>> the P6 function correctly. You can begin parts of the procedure without an
>> oscilloscope, but as Andy noted you have to have one to do the job
>> correctly.
>>
>> Do you have a copy of the service manual? I'll put one on my website soon,
>> but I'm pretty sure it is in the files section at the yahoo groups page.
>>
>> Jed
>>
>> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:22 AM, kluberrrrr <KLBR@free.fr> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Jed,
>>>
>>> first I'd like to thank you for what you did for the P6 itself and of
>>> course its users! Even if my P6 doesn't work yet I remain positive :)
>>> I also appreciate you fast answer! thanks!
>>>
>>> I fixed the R52 and R98 issues. I was hesitating by doing the last one (
>>> lift the resistance 9 and cut the trace) I did it : unsoldering one leg of
>>> the R9 cut the trace and put a jumper between the CN 06 pin 02 and the
>>> unsoldered leg of the R09.
>>>
>>> No more sound at all !Well, I can hear on the background the modulation
>>> if i put the gain very high of the audio amp. The knobs on the MG panel
>>> remain unusable
>>>
>>> Before to did the fix, I was able to hear the notes played through the
>>> modulation generator which went in and out very slowly in any MG mod ( vca
>>> vcf )with a very normal volume. I'm sure that the sound is modulate because
>>> I can follow the MG led with the fade of the sound
>>>
>>> I don't have done the VR adjustments yet because I don't have any access
>>> to an oscilloscope. But I'm not sure it will change a lot. My first target
>>> is to have the sound back without the modulation on it .
>>>
>>> Should I put the R09 back and remove the jumper? and try something else?
>>> Or should I try to do the Don B. fix on the 368 board?
>>>
>>> Could the problem on my P6 come from another part?
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> Vincent
>>>
>>> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <PolySix%40yahoogroups.com>, Jed
>>> Jorgensen <jed.jorgensen@...> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Vincent,
>>> >
>>> > Did you fix the two PCB errors noted here (#1 & #3):
>>> >
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors
>>> >
>>> > <
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors
>>> >Also,
>>> > did you calibrate the board following the build as per the service
>>> manual?
>>> >
>>> > Jed
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, kluberrrrr <KLBR@...> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Hi everybody,
>>> > >
>>> > > I'm quite desperate here, so I hope someone could help me a bit
>>> especially
>>> > > because I'm not very good in English and I'm not an electronic guy!
>>> > > A couple of years ago I found a polysix which had the famous leak
>>> battery
>>> > > problem, so impossible to play on it.
>>> > >
>>> > > I tried to repair the KLM 367 but with no success.
>>> > > Then i discovered the Jed's project
>>> > >
>>> > > Today I've just finished to solder all the parts on the KLM-367A
>>> clone
>>> > > board.
>>> > > I put the board back on my P6. Then I turned it on.
>>> > >
>>> > > First, the programmer panel seems to work fine, Led button repond
>>> when I
>>> > > push them
>>> > >
>>> > > BUT there is no sound at all. Just some attack sound, some 'blops'.
>>> > >
>>> > > When I hold a key down, I can hear the note coming very slowly and
>>> fade
>>> > > out. Just like the LEd of the MG panel fading In and Out very slowly.
>>> > >
>>> > > The Mg frequency, delay and level's knobs don't affect the
>>> modulation. Even
>>> > > if the modulation level is at 0, the sound is fully modulated
>>> > >
>>> > > So I guess it's the MG section which seems to not work properly. It
>>> looks
>>> > > like it is stuck on a very slow frequency and there is no way to cut
>>> the
>>> > > modulation.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Also cutoff, resonance, eg int, keyboard track knobs don't seem to
>>> change
>>> > > the sound.
>>> > >
>>> > > When I built the new Jed's PCB, I used from the old board the mask
>>> rom IC,
>>> > > the TC5514APL-3 IC, the two LM13600 ICs and the 2SA798
>>> > >
>>> > > What do you think? Is it possible that one of the Ic is dead? Or does
>>> it
>>> > > look like the problem is deeper?
>>> > >
>>> > > Please excuse my poor english !
>>> > >
>>> > > Cheers!
>>> > >
>>> > > Vincent
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>> >
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>
>>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

HI there!

I'm really you guys crossed my thread!
Thanks again to take time to help me!

To Jed and Andy, I will undo the R09 fix tomorrow,  I'd like to start as
well the Adjustment Procedure where there is some parts I don't
understand at the very beginning of the procedure I should verify the
power supply with the test point on the "J" ??? What are the J 's, are
they some diodes? or resistances? And then ON the Reset Procedure there
is something with a 52Ko resistance but I can't get to understand where
i should put the legs on ?
and for the MG "Calibration" I really need to use an Oscilloscope but I
found there was some software equivalent.  What do you think about them?
I'll still look on ebay...

I still did some tests with the buttons and knobs.
Here the result:

OUTPUT SECTION

Volume : Ok
Output SW : Ok

TUNE SECTION

Tune Knb : not sure

VCO SECTION

Octave : Ok
Waveform selection : Ok
PW\PWM : hard to say
PWM Speed : hard to say too
Sub Osc SW : Ok

VCF SECTION

Cutoff : No
Resonance : No
EG Intensity : No
Keyboard Track : No

VCA SECTION

VCA Mode : Ok
Attenuation : Ok

ARPEGGIATOR SECTION

Arpeggiator SW on/off  :  Ok
Arpeggiator Speed  :  Ok
Range SW  :  Ok
Mode SW  :  Ok
Latch SW  :  Ok

MG SECTION

Freq Diode : Yes but not sync with the Freq Knb
Freq : No
Delay : No
Level : No
MG Mode : Ok

EG SECTION

Attack : No
Decay : No
Sustain : No
Release : No

EFFECTS SECTION

(Once again it's hard to say 'cause I hear the notes played only on the
"top" of the modulation so it's hard to define phaser ensemble or
chorus)

FX Mode : Seems Ok
Speed\Intensity : Hard to say

BEND SECTION

Bend Intensity : Ok

WHEELS

Bend Wheel : Ok
MG Wheel : Ok

KEY ASSIGN MODE SECTION

Hold : Ok
Chord Memory : Ok
Unison : Ok
Poly : Ok

PROGRAMMER SECTION

All the numbers work when pressed but can't hear the difference


By the way thanks a lot for the Manual Service I found one on a website
but yours is best!


Looking forward for your answers


Cheers!



Vincent


PS : ANDY I live in Paris where are you hiding?




--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, Jed Jorgensen <jed.jorgensen@...> wrote:
>
> Man, I'm way too impatient this morning. Andy just sent me a complete
copy
> of the manual. That is now up on my website. I'm also putting a copy
in the
> file section here.
>
> J
>
> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Jed Jorgensen jed.jorgensen@...wrote:
>
> > Vincent,
> >
> > I've put a copy of the service manual on my webpage here:
> >
http://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors\
/manuals<https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-b\
ugs-errors/manuals>
> >
> >
> >
<https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-erro\
rs/manuals>This
> > is not a complete copy of the manual, but it has the calibration
procedure
> > that you need to follow. The calibration procedure for the 367 board
is on
> > pages 10 and 11.
> >
> > Jed
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Jed Jorgensen
jed.jorgensen@...wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Vincent,
> >>
> >> Yes, put R9 back and re-jumper the trace you cut. That modification
isn't
> >> recommended unless you have LFO noise present that can't be fixed
by another
> >> method. I've updated my website to make that clear.
> >>
> >> The calibration procedure on the VR's is necessary to make the
board and
> >> the P6 function correctly. You can begin parts of the procedure
without an
> >> oscilloscope, but as Andy noted you have to have one to do the job
> >> correctly.
> >>
> >> Do you have a copy of the service manual? I'll put one on my
website soon,
> >> but I'm pretty sure it is in the files section at the yahoo groups
page.
> >>
> >> Jed
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:22 AM, kluberrrrr KLBR@... wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Jed,
> >>>
> >>> first I'd like to thank you for what you did for the P6 itself and
of
> >>> course its users! Even if my P6 doesn't work yet I remain positive
:)
> >>> I also appreciate you fast answer! thanks!
> >>>
> >>> I fixed the R52 and R98 issues. I was hesitating by doing the last
one (
> >>> lift the resistance 9 and cut the trace) I did it : unsoldering
one leg of
> >>> the R9 cut the trace and put a jumper between the CN 06 pin 02 and
the
> >>> unsoldered leg of the R09.
> >>>
> >>> No more sound at all !Well, I can hear on the background the
modulation
> >>> if i put the gain very high of the audio amp. The knobs on the MG
panel
> >>> remain unusable
> >>>
> >>> Before to did the fix, I was able to hear the notes played through
the
> >>> modulation generator which went in and out very slowly in any MG
mod ( vca
> >>> vcf )with a very normal volume. I'm sure that the sound is
modulate because
> >>> I can follow the MG led with the fade of the sound
> >>>
> >>> I don't have done the VR adjustments yet because I don't have any
access
> >>> to an oscilloscope. But I'm not sure it will change a lot. My
first target
> >>> is to have the sound back without the modulation on it .
> >>>
> >>> Should I put the R09 back and remove the jumper? and try something
else?
> >>> Or should I try to do the Don B. fix on the 368 board?
> >>>
> >>> Could the problem on my P6 come from another part?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers!
> >>>
> >>> Vincent
> >>>
> >>> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <PolySix%40yahoogroups.com>, Jed
> >>> Jorgensen jed.jorgensen@ wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Hi Vincent,
> >>> >
> >>> > Did you fix the two PCB errors noted here (#1 & #3):
> >>> >
> >>>
https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error\
s
> >>> >
> >>> > <
> >>>
https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error\
s
> >>> >Also,
> >>> > did you calibrate the board following the build as per the
service
> >>> manual?
> >>> >
> >>> > Jed
> >>> >
> >>> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, kluberrrrr KLBR@ wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Hi everybody,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I'm quite desperate here, so I hope someone could help me a
bit
> >>> especially
> >>> > > because I'm not very good in English and I'm not an electronic
guy!
> >>> > > A couple of years ago I found a polysix which had the famous
leak
> >>> battery
> >>> > > problem, so impossible to play on it.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I tried to repair the KLM 367 but with no success.
> >>> > > Then i discovered the Jed's project
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Today I've just finished to solder all the parts on the
KLM-367A
> >>> clone
> >>> > > board.
> >>> > > I put the board back on my P6. Then I turned it on.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > First, the programmer panel seems to work fine, Led button
repond
> >>> when I
> >>> > > push them
> >>> > >
> >>> > > BUT there is no sound at all. Just some attack sound, some
'blops'.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > When I hold a key down, I can hear the note coming very slowly
and
> >>> fade
> >>> > > out. Just like the LEd of the MG panel fading In and Out very
slowly.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > The Mg frequency, delay and level's knobs don't affect the
> >>> modulation. Even
> >>> > > if the modulation level is at 0, the sound is fully modulated
> >>> > >
> >>> > > So I guess it's the MG section which seems to not work
properly. It
> >>> looks
> >>> > > like it is stuck on a very slow frequency and there is no way
to cut
> >>> the
> >>> > > modulation.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Also cutoff, resonance, eg int, keyboard track knobs don't
seem to
> >>> change
> >>> > > the sound.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > When I built the new Jed's PCB, I used from the old board the
mask
> >>> rom IC,
> >>> > > the TC5514APL-3 IC, the two LM13600 ICs and the 2SA798
> >>> > >
> >>> > > What do you think? Is it possible that one of the Ic is dead?
Or does
> >>> it
> >>> > > look like the problem is deeper?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Please excuse my poor english !
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Cheers!
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Vincent
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

there is a blank white plastic 2 pinned connector just below a capacitor and near a VR on the rear panel mounted power board (for the 52k load) - the j1/2/7 etc are the component style 'jumpers' on this board - you put your multimeter probe against the legs of them and get the reading from there - they are marked on the board as J1/2/7 etc. I did mine just the other day as it happens.
HTHPaul

To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com

From: KLBR@free.fr
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 01:44:38 +0000
Subject: [PolySix] Re: MG section problem


















 



  


    
      
      
      HI there!



I'm really you guys crossed my thread!

Thanks again to take time to help me!



To Jed and Andy, I will undo the R09 fix tomorrow,  I'd like to start as

well the Adjustment Procedure where there is some parts I don't

understand at the very beginning of the procedure I should verify the

power supply with the test point on the "J" ??? What are the J 's, are

they some diodes? or resistances? And then ON the Reset Procedure there

is something with a 52Ko resistance but I can't get to understand where

i should put the legs on ?

and for the MG "Calibration" I really need to use an Oscilloscope but I

found there was some software equivalent.  What do you think about them?

I'll still look on ebay...



I still did some tests with the buttons and knobs.

Here the result:



OUTPUT SECTION



Volume : Ok

Output SW : Ok



TUNE SECTION



Tune Knb : not sure



VCO SECTION



Octave : Ok

Waveform selection : Ok

PW\PWM : hard to say

PWM Speed : hard to say too

Sub Osc SW : Ok



VCF SECTION



Cutoff : No

Resonance : No

EG Intensity : No

Keyboard Track : No



VCA SECTION



VCA Mode : Ok

Attenuation : Ok



ARPEGGIATOR SECTION



Arpeggiator SW on/off  :  Ok

Arpeggiator Speed  :  Ok

Range SW  :  Ok

Mode SW  :  Ok

Latch SW  :  Ok



MG SECTION



Freq Diode : Yes but not sync with the Freq Knb

Freq : No

Delay : No

Level : No

MG Mode : Ok



EG SECTION



Attack : No

Decay : No

Sustain : No

Release : No



EFFECTS SECTION



(Once again it's hard to say 'cause I hear the notes played only on the

"top" of the modulation so it's hard to define phaser ensemble or

chorus)



FX Mode : Seems Ok

Speed\Intensity : Hard to say



BEND SECTION



Bend Intensity : Ok



WHEELS



Bend Wheel : Ok

MG Wheel : Ok



KEY ASSIGN MODE SECTION



Hold : Ok

Chord Memory : Ok

Unison : Ok

Poly : Ok



PROGRAMMER SECTION



All the numbers work when pressed but can't hear the difference



By the way thanks a lot for the Manual Service I found one on a website

but yours is best!



Looking forward for your answers



Cheers!



Vincent



PS : ANDY I live in Paris where are you hiding?



--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, Jed Jorgensen <jed.jorgensen@...> wrote:

>

> Man, I'm way too impatient this morning. Andy just sent me a complete

copy

> of the manual. That is now up on my website. I'm also putting a copy

in the

> file section here.

>

> J

>

> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Jed Jorgensen jed.jorgensen@...wrote:

>

> > Vincent,

> >

> > I've put a copy of the service manual on my webpage here:

> >

http://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors\

/manuals<https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-b\

ugs-errors/manuals>

> >

> >

> >

<https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-erro\

rs/manuals>This

> > is not a complete copy of the manual, but it has the calibration

procedure

> > that you need to follow. The calibration procedure for the 367 board

is on

> > pages 10 and 11.

> >

> > Jed

> >

> >

> > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Jed Jorgensen

jed.jorgensen@...wrote:

> >

> >> Hi Vincent,

> >>

> >> Yes, put R9 back and re-jumper the trace you cut. That modification

isn't

> >> recommended unless you have LFO noise present that can't be fixed

by another

> >> method. I've updated my website to make that clear.

> >>

> >> The calibration procedure on the VR's is necessary to make the

board and

> >> the P6 function correctly. You can begin parts of the procedure

without an

> >> oscilloscope, but as Andy noted you have to have one to do the job

> >> correctly.

> >>

> >> Do you have a copy of the service manual? I'll put one on my

website soon,

> >> but I'm pretty sure it is in the files section at the yahoo groups

page.

> >>

> >> Jed

> >>

> >> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:22 AM, kluberrrrr KLBR@... wrote:

> >>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Hi Jed,

> >>>

> >>> first I'd like to thank you for what you did for the P6 itself and

of

> >>> course its users! Even if my P6 doesn't work yet I remain positive

:)

> >>> I also appreciate you fast answer! thanks!

> >>>

> >>> I fixed the R52 and R98 issues. I was hesitating by doing the last

one (

> >>> lift the resistance 9 and cut the trace) I did it : unsoldering

one leg of

> >>> the R9 cut the trace and put a jumper between the CN 06 pin 02 and

the

> >>> unsoldered leg of the R09.

> >>>

> >>> No more sound at all !Well, I can hear on the background the

modulation

> >>> if i put the gain very high of the audio amp. The knobs on the MG

panel

> >>> remain unusable

> >>>

> >>> Before to did the fix, I was able to hear the notes played through

the

> >>> modulation generator which went in and out very slowly in any MG

mod ( vca

> >>> vcf )with a very normal volume. I'm sure that the sound is

modulate because

> >>> I can follow the MG led with the fade of the sound

> >>>

> >>> I don't have done the VR adjustments yet because I don't have any

access

> >>> to an oscilloscope. But I'm not sure it will change a lot. My

first target

> >>> is to have the sound back without the modulation on it .

> >>>

> >>> Should I put the R09 back and remove the jumper? and try something

else?

> >>> Or should I try to do the Don B. fix on the 368 board?

> >>>

> >>> Could the problem on my P6 come from another part?

> >>>

> >>> Cheers!

> >>>

> >>> Vincent

> >>>

> >>> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <PolySix%40yahoogroups.com>, Jed

> >>> Jorgensen jed.jorgensen@ wrote:

> >>> >

> >>> > Hi Vincent,

> >>> >

> >>> > Did you fix the two PCB errors noted here (#1 & #3):

> >>> >

> >>>

https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error\

s

> >>> >

> >>> > <

> >>>

https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error\

s

> >>> >Also,

> >>> > did you calibrate the board following the build as per the

service

> >>> manual?

> >>> >

> >>> > Jed

> >>> >

> >>> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, kluberrrrr KLBR@ wrote:

> >>> >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Hi everybody,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > I'm quite desperate here, so I hope someone could help me a

bit

> >>> especially

> >>> > > because I'm not very good in English and I'm not an electronic

guy!

> >>> > > A couple of years ago I found a polysix which had the famous

leak

> >>> battery

> >>> > > problem, so impossible to play on it.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > I tried to repair the KLM 367 but with no success.

> >>> > > Then i discovered the Jed's project

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Today I've just finished to solder all the parts on the

KLM-367A

> >>> clone

> >>> > > board.

> >>> > > I put the board back on my P6. Then I turned it on.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > First, the programmer panel seems to work fine, Led button

repond

> >>> when I

> >>> > > push them

> >>> > >

> >>> > > BUT there is no sound at all. Just some attack sound, some

'blops'.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > When I hold a key down, I can hear the note coming very slowly

and

> >>> fade

> >>> > > out. Just like the LEd of the MG panel fading In and Out very

slowly.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > The Mg frequency, delay and level's knobs don't affect the

> >>> modulation. Even

> >>> > > if the modulation level is at 0, the sound is fully modulated

> >>> > >

> >>> > > So I guess it's the MG section which seems to not work

properly. It

> >>> looks

> >>> > > like it is stuck on a very slow frequency and there is no way

to cut

> >>> the

> >>> > > modulation.

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Also cutoff, resonance, eg int, keyboard track knobs don't

seem to

> >>> change

> >>> > > the sound.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > When I built the new Jed's PCB, I used from the old board the

mask

> >>> rom IC,

> >>> > > the TC5514APL-3 IC, the two LM13600 ICs and the 2SA798

> >>> > >

> >>> > > What do you think? Is it possible that one of the Ic is dead?

Or does

> >>> it

> >>> > > look like the problem is deeper?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Please excuse my poor english !

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Cheers!

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Vincent

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >>> >

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>



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Hi Vincent,

What Paul said is correct. You can also use the "Test Points" (known as
"TP'x'") which are little brass hooks with a yellow bead at the bottom. The
first part of the adjustment procedure is on the KLM-376 PCB, the power
supply at the back of the unit. With this procedure you are checking to make
sure the voltages coming off the power supply are correct. Take care in
doing this. If you are unsure about what you are doing, keep one hand in
your back pocket. It is a little harder to electrocute yourself that way.

To make the dummy plug for the reset procedure (56k resistor thing) see if
you can find an old computer mother board and take off a small connector.
The audio connectors should fit perfectly. You'll solder a 56k resistor
across the wires.

As far as the oscilloscope goes, ask around where you live. I've borrowed
one from my co-worker's boyfriend for about 9 months. No need to buy
something that you aren't going to use a lot. I'm sure you can find one
where you live.

Above all...GO SLOW AND BE CAREFUL!!!! Make sure you understand what it is
that you are trying to do...BEFORE you do it. Remember, you are working in a
circuit that has electricity applied to it. This is dangerous if you don't
know how to be careful.

Also know this: this is an extremely challenging project if you have not
worked on electronic circuits before. It is a good idea to find someone
where you live who can help you!

Jed



On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Paul T <sharpfish@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> there is a blank white plastic 2 pinned connector just below a capacitor
> and near a VR on the rear panel mounted power board (for the 52k load) - the
> j1/2/7 etc are the component style 'jumpers' on this board - you put your
> multimeter probe against the legs of them and get the reading from there -
> they are marked on the board as J1/2/7 etc. I did mine just the other day as
> it happens.
> HTHPaul
>
> To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com
> From: KLBR@free.fr
> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 01:44:38 +0000
> Subject: [PolySix] Re: MG section problem
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>      HI there!
>
>
>
> I'm really you guys crossed my thread!
>
> Thanks again to take time to help me!
>
>
>
> To Jed and Andy, I will undo the R09 fix tomorrow,  I'd like to start as
>
> well the Adjustment Procedure where there is some parts I don't
>
> understand at the very beginning of the procedure I should verify the
>
> power supply with the test point on the "J" ??? What are the J 's, are
>
> they some diodes? or resistances? And then ON the Reset Procedure there
>
> is something with a 52Ko resistance but I can't get to understand where
>
> i should put the legs on ?
>
> and for the MG "Calibration" I really need to use an Oscilloscope but I
>
> found there was some software equivalent.  What do you think about them?
>
> I'll still look on ebay...
>
>
>
> I still did some tests with the buttons and knobs.
>
> Here the result:
>
>
>
> OUTPUT SECTION
>
>
>
> Volume : Ok
>
> Output SW : Ok
>
>
>
> TUNE SECTION
>
>
>
> Tune Knb : not sure
>
>
>
> VCO SECTION
>
>
>
> Octave : Ok
>
> Waveform selection : Ok
>
> PW\PWM : hard to say
>
> PWM Speed : hard to say too
>
> Sub Osc SW : Ok
>
>
>
> VCF SECTION
>
>
>
> Cutoff : No
>
> Resonance : No
>
> EG Intensity : No
>
> Keyboard Track : No
>
>
>
> VCA SECTION
>
>
>
> VCA Mode : Ok
>
> Attenuation : Ok
>
>
>
> ARPEGGIATOR SECTION
>
>
>
> Arpeggiator SW on/off  :  Ok
>
> Arpeggiator Speed  :  Ok
>
> Range SW  :  Ok
>
> Mode SW  :  Ok
>
> Latch SW  :  Ok
>
>
>
> MG SECTION
>
>
>
> Freq Diode : Yes but not sync with the Freq Knb
>
> Freq : No
>
> Delay : No
>
> Level : No
>
> MG Mode : Ok
>
>
>
> EG SECTION
>
>
>
> Attack : No
>
> Decay : No
>
> Sustain : No
>
> Release : No
>
>
>
> EFFECTS SECTION
>
>
>
> (Once again it's hard to say 'cause I hear the notes played only on the
>
> "top" of the modulation so it's hard to define phaser ensemble or
>
> chorus)
>
>
>
> FX Mode : Seems Ok
>
> Speed\Intensity : Hard to say
>
>
>
> BEND SECTION
>
>
>
> Bend Intensity : Ok
>
>
>
> WHEELS
>
>
>
> Bend Wheel : Ok
>
> MG Wheel : Ok
>
>
>
> KEY ASSIGN MODE SECTION
>
>
>
> Hold : Ok
>
> Chord Memory : Ok
>
> Unison : Ok
>
> Poly : Ok
>
>
>
> PROGRAMMER SECTION
>
>
>
> All the numbers work when pressed but can't hear the difference
>
>
>
> By the way thanks a lot for the Manual Service I found one on a website
>
> but yours is best!
>
>
>
> Looking forward for your answers
>
>
>
> Cheers!
>
>
>
> Vincent
>
>
>
> PS : ANDY I live in Paris where are you hiding?
>
>
>
> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, Jed Jorgensen <jed.jorgensen@...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Man, I'm way too impatient this morning. Andy just sent me a complete
>
> copy
>
> > of the manual. That is now up on my website. I'm also putting a copy
>
> in the
>
> > file section here.
>
> >
>
> > J
>
> >
>
> > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Jed Jorgensen jed.jorgensen@...wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > Vincent,
>
> > >
>
> > > I've put a copy of the service manual on my webpage here:
>
> > >
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors\
>
> /manuals<https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-b\
>
> ugs-errors/manuals>
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-erro\
>
> rs/manuals>This
>
> > > is not a complete copy of the manual, but it has the calibration
>
> procedure
>
> > > that you need to follow. The calibration procedure for the 367 board
>
> is on
>
> > > pages 10 and 11.
>
> > >
>
> > > Jed
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Jed Jorgensen
>
> jed.jorgensen@...wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > >> Hi Vincent,
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Yes, put R9 back and re-jumper the trace you cut. That modification
>
> isn't
>
> > >> recommended unless you have LFO noise present that can't be fixed
>
> by another
>
> > >> method. I've updated my website to make that clear.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> The calibration procedure on the VR's is necessary to make the
>
> board and
>
> > >> the P6 function correctly. You can begin parts of the procedure
>
> without an
>
> > >> oscilloscope, but as Andy noted you have to have one to do the job
>
> > >> correctly.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Do you have a copy of the service manual? I'll put one on my
>
> website soon,
>
> > >> but I'm pretty sure it is in the files section at the yahoo groups
>
> page.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Jed
>
> > >>
>
> > >> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:22 AM, kluberrrrr KLBR@... wrote:
>
> > >>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> Hi Jed,
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> first I'd like to thank you for what you did for the P6 itself and
>
> of
>
> > >>> course its users! Even if my P6 doesn't work yet I remain positive
>
> :)
>
> > >>> I also appreciate you fast answer! thanks!
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> I fixed the R52 and R98 issues. I was hesitating by doing the last
>
> one (
>
> > >>> lift the resistance 9 and cut the trace) I did it : unsoldering
>
> one leg of
>
> > >>> the R9 cut the trace and put a jumper between the CN 06 pin 02 and
>
> the
>
> > >>> unsoldered leg of the R09.
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> No more sound at all !Well, I can hear on the background the
>
> modulation
>
> > >>> if i put the gain very high of the audio amp. The knobs on the MG
>
> panel
>
> > >>> remain unusable
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> Before to did the fix, I was able to hear the notes played through
>
> the
>
> > >>> modulation generator which went in and out very slowly in any MG
>
> mod ( vca
>
> > >>> vcf )with a very normal volume. I'm sure that the sound is
>
> modulate because
>
> > >>> I can follow the MG led with the fade of the sound
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> I don't have done the VR adjustments yet because I don't have any
>
> access
>
> > >>> to an oscilloscope. But I'm not sure it will change a lot. My
>
> first target
>
> > >>> is to have the sound back without the modulation on it .
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> Should I put the R09 back and remove the jumper? and try something
>
> else?
>
> > >>> Or should I try to do the Don B. fix on the 368 board?
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> Could the problem on my P6 come from another part?
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> Cheers!
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> Vincent
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <PolySix%40yahoogroups.com>, Jed
>
> > >>> Jorgensen jed.jorgensen@ wrote:
>
> > >>> >
>
> > >>> > Hi Vincent,
>
> > >>> >
>
> > >>> > Did you fix the two PCB errors noted here (#1 & #3):
>
> > >>> >
>
> > >>>
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error\
>
> s
>
> > >>> >
>
> > >>> > <
>
> > >>>
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error\
>
> s
>
> > >>> >Also,
>
> > >>> > did you calibrate the board following the build as per the
>
> service
>
> > >>> manual?
>
> > >>> >
>
> > >>> > Jed
>
> > >>> >
>
> > >>> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, kluberrrrr KLBR@ wrote:
>
> > >>> >
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > > Hi everybody,
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > > I'm quite desperate here, so I hope someone could help me a
>
> bit
>
> > >>> especially
>
> > >>> > > because I'm not very good in English and I'm not an electronic
>
> guy!
>
> > >>> > > A couple of years ago I found a polysix which had the famous
>
> leak
>
> > >>> battery
>
> > >>> > > problem, so impossible to play on it.
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > > I tried to repair the KLM 367 but with no success.
>
> > >>> > > Then i discovered the Jed's project
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > > Today I've just finished to solder all the parts on the
>
> KLM-367A
>
> > >>> clone
>
> > >>> > > board.
>
> > >>> > > I put the board back on my P6. Then I turned it on.
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > > First, the programmer panel seems to work fine, Led button
>
> repond
>
> > >>> when I
>
> > >>> > > push them
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > > BUT there is no sound at all. Just some attack sound, some
>
> 'blops'.
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > > When I hold a key down, I can hear the note coming very slowly
>
> and
>
> > >>> fade
>
> > >>> > > out. Just like the LEd of the MG panel fading In and Out very
>
> slowly.
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > > The Mg frequency, delay and level's knobs don't affect the
>
> > >>> modulation. Even
>
> > >>> > > if the modulation level is at 0, the sound is fully modulated
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > > So I guess it's the MG section which seems to not work
>
> properly. It
>
> > >>> looks
>
> > >>> > > like it is stuck on a very slow frequency and there is no way
>
> to cut
>
> > >>> the
>
> > >>> > > modulation.
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > > Also cutoff, resonance, eg int, keyboard track knobs don't
>
> seem to
>
> > >>> change
>
> > >>> > > the sound.
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > > When I built the new Jed's PCB, I used from the old board the
>
> mask
>
> > >>> rom IC,
>
> > >>> > > the TC5514APL-3 IC, the two LM13600 ICs and the 2SA798
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > > What do you think? Is it possible that one of the Ic is dead?
>
> Or does
>
> > >>> it
>
> > >>> > > look like the problem is deeper?
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > > Please excuse my poor english !
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > > Cheers!
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > > Vincent
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> > >
>
> > >>> >
>
> > >>> >
>
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>
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>
> > >>>
>
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>
> > >>
>
> > >>
>
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>
> >
>
> >
>
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> >
>
>
>
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Vincent,

Many of the functions which are not working are reliant on the multiplexor
bus (the two 4051s). Given this you should definitely attempt the, first ,
the reset procedure (the one with the 56K dummy load) and then, second, the
D/A convertor before you do anything else. Make sure the controller are set
as per the diagram at the start of the calibration section of the manual.
You may find some marked improvements when this is completed!

Cheers,
Andy


On 15/05/2010 02:44, "kluberrrrr" <KLBR@free.fr> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
>    
> 
> HI there!
> 
> I'm really you guys crossed my thread!
> Thanks again to take time to help me!
> 
> To Jed and Andy, I will undo the R09 fix tomorrow,  I'd like to start as
> well the Adjustment Procedure where there is some parts I don't
> understand at the very beginning of the procedure I should verify the
> power supply with the test point on the "J" ??? What are the J 's, are
> they some diodes? or resistances? And then ON the Reset Procedure there
> is something with a 52Ko resistance but I can't get to understand where
> i should put the legs on ?
> and for the MG "Calibration" I really need to use an Oscilloscope but I
> found there was some software equivalent.  What do you think about them?
> I'll still look on ebay...
> 
> I still did some tests with the buttons and knobs.
> Here the result:
> 
> OUTPUT SECTION
> 
> Volume : Ok
> Output SW : Ok
> 
> TUNE SECTION
> 
> Tune Knb : not sure
> 
> VCO SECTION
> 
> Octave : Ok
> Waveform selection : Ok
> PW\PWM : hard to say
> PWM Speed : hard to say too
> Sub Osc SW : Ok
> 
> VCF SECTION
> 
> Cutoff : No
> Resonance : No
> EG Intensity : No
> Keyboard Track : No
> 
> VCA SECTION
> 
> VCA Mode : Ok
> Attenuation : Ok
> 
> ARPEGGIATOR SECTION
> 
> Arpeggiator SW on/off  :  Ok
> Arpeggiator Speed  :  Ok
> Range SW  :  Ok
> Mode SW  :  Ok
> Latch SW  :  Ok
> 
> MG SECTION
> 
> Freq Diode : Yes but not sync with the Freq Knb
> Freq : No
> Delay : No
> Level : No
> MG Mode : Ok
> 
> EG SECTION
> 
> Attack : No
> Decay : No
> Sustain : No
> Release : No
> 
> EFFECTS SECTION
> 
> (Once again it's hard to say 'cause I hear the notes played only on the
> "top" of the modulation so it's hard to define phaser ensemble or
> chorus)
> 
> FX Mode : Seems Ok
> Speed\Intensity : Hard to say
> 
> BEND SECTION
> 
> Bend Intensity : Ok
> 
> WHEELS
> 
> Bend Wheel : Ok
> MG Wheel : Ok
> 
> KEY ASSIGN MODE SECTION
> 
> Hold : Ok
> Chord Memory : Ok
> Unison : Ok
> Poly : Ok
> 
> PROGRAMMER SECTION
> 
> All the numbers work when pressed but can't hear the difference
> 
> By the way thanks a lot for the Manual Service I found one on a website
> but yours is best!
> 
> Looking forward for your answers
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Vincent
> 
> PS : ANDY I live in Paris where are you hiding?
> 
> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PolySix%40yahoogroups.com> , Jed
> Jorgensen <jed.jorgensen@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Man, I'm way too impatient this morning. Andy just sent me a complete
> copy
>> > of the manual. That is now up on my website. I'm also putting a copy
> in the
>> > file section here.
>> >
>> > J
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Jed Jorgensen jed.jorgensen@...wrote:
>> >
>>> > > Vincent,
>>> > >
>>> > > I've put a copy of the service manual on my webpage here:
>>> > >
> http://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors\
> /manuals 
> <http://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors/manu
> als> <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-b\
> ugs-errors/manuals
> <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors/man
> uals> >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
> <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-erro\
> rs/manuals 
> <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors/man
> uals> >This
>>> > > is not a complete copy of the manual, but it has the calibration
> procedure
>>> > > that you need to follow. The calibration procedure for the 367 board
> is on
>>> > > pages 10 and 11.
>>> > >
>>> > > Jed
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Jed Jorgensen
> jed.jorgensen@...wrote:
>>> > >
>>>> > >> Hi Vincent,
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Yes, put R9 back and re-jumper the trace you cut. That modification
> isn't
>>>> > >> recommended unless you have LFO noise present that can't be fixed
> by another
>>>> > >> method. I've updated my website to make that clear.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> The calibration procedure on the VR's is necessary to make the
> board and
>>>> > >> the P6 function correctly. You can begin parts of the procedure
> without an
>>>> > >> oscilloscope, but as Andy noted you have to have one to do the job
>>>> > >> correctly.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Do you have a copy of the service manual? I'll put one on my
> website soon,
>>>> > >> but I'm pretty sure it is in the files section at the yahoo groups
> page.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Jed
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:22 AM, kluberrrrr KLBR@... wrote:
>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> Hi Jed,
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> first I'd like to thank you for what you did for the P6 itself and
> of
>>>>> > >>> course its users! Even if my P6 doesn't work yet I remain positive
> :)
>>>>> > >>> I also appreciate you fast answer! thanks!
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> I fixed the R52 and R98 issues. I was hesitating by doing the last
> one (
>>>>> > >>> lift the resistance 9 and cut the trace) I did it : unsoldering
> one leg of
>>>>> > >>> the R9 cut the trace and put a jumper between the CN 06 pin 02 and
> the
>>>>> > >>> unsoldered leg of the R09.
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> No more sound at all !Well, I can hear on the background the
> modulation
>>>>> > >>> if i put the gain very high of the audio amp. The knobs on the MG
> panel
>>>>> > >>> remain unusable
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> Before to did the fix, I was able to hear the notes played through
> the
>>>>> > >>> modulation generator which went in and out very slowly in any MG
> mod ( vca
>>>>> > >>> vcf )with a very normal volume. I'm sure that the sound is
> modulate because
>>>>> > >>> I can follow the MG led with the fade of the sound
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> I don't have done the VR adjustments yet because I don't have any
> access
>>>>> > >>> to an oscilloscope. But I'm not sure it will change a lot. My
> first target
>>>>> > >>> is to have the sound back without the modulation on it .
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> Should I put the R09 back and remove the jumper? and try something
> else?
>>>>> > >>> Or should I try to do the Don B. fix on the 368 board?
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> Could the problem on my P6 come from another part?
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> Cheers!
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> Vincent
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PolySix%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> <PolySix%40yahoogroups.com>, Jed
>>>>> > >>> Jorgensen jed.jorgensen@ wrote:
>>>>>> > >>> >
>>>>>> > >>> > Hi Vincent,
>>>>>> > >>> >
>>>>>> > >>> > Did you fix the two PCB errors noted here (#1 & #3):
>>>>>> > >>> >
>>>>> > >>>
> https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error\
> s <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors>
>>>>>> > >>> >
>>>>>> > >>> > <
>>>>> > >>>
> https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error\
> s <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors>
>>>>>> > >>> >Also,
>>>>>> > >>> > did you calibrate the board following the build as per the
> service
>>>>> > >>> manual?
>>>>>> > >>> >
>>>>>> > >>> > Jed
>>>>>> > >>> >
>>>>>> > >>> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, kluberrrrr KLBR@ wrote:
>>>>>> > >>> >
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Hi everybody,
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > I'm quite desperate here, so I hope someone could help me a
> bit
>>>>> > >>> especially
>>>>>>> > >>> > > because I'm not very good in English and I'm not an electronic
> guy!
>>>>>>> > >>> > > A couple of years ago I found a polysix which had the famous
> leak
>>>>> > >>> battery
>>>>>>> > >>> > > problem, so impossible to play on it.
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > I tried to repair the KLM 367 but with no success.
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Then i discovered the Jed's project
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Today I've just finished to solder all the parts on the
> KLM-367A
>>>>> > >>> clone
>>>>>>> > >>> > > board.
>>>>>>> > >>> > > I put the board back on my P6. Then I turned it on.
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > First, the programmer panel seems to work fine, Led button
> repond
>>>>> > >>> when I
>>>>>>> > >>> > > push them
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > BUT there is no sound at all. Just some attack sound, some
> 'blops'.
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > When I hold a key down, I can hear the note coming very slowly
> and
>>>>> > >>> fade
>>>>>>> > >>> > > out. Just like the LEd of the MG panel fading In and Out very
> slowly.
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > The Mg frequency, delay and level's knobs don't affect the
>>>>> > >>> modulation. Even
>>>>>>> > >>> > > if the modulation level is at 0, the sound is fully modulated
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > So I guess it's the MG section which seems to not work
> properly. It
>>>>> > >>> looks
>>>>>>> > >>> > > like it is stuck on a very slow frequency and there is no way
> to cut
>>>>> > >>> the
>>>>>>> > >>> > > modulation.
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Also cutoff, resonance, eg int, keyboard track knobs don't
> seem to
>>>>> > >>> change
>>>>>>> > >>> > > the sound.
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > When I built the new Jed's PCB, I used from the old board the
> mask
>>>>> > >>> rom IC,
>>>>>>> > >>> > > the TC5514APL-3 IC, the two LM13600 ICs and the 2SA798
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > What do you think? Is it possible that one of the Ic is dead?
> Or does
>>>>> > >>> it
>>>>>>> > >>> > > look like the problem is deeper?
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Please excuse my poor english !
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Cheers!
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > > Vincent
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>>> > >>> > >
>>>>>> > >>> >
>>>>>> > >>> >
>>>>>> > >>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>> > >>> >
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
>  
>    
> 
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

... They do call him the Synth Professor, after all! Wow. A highly impressive diagnosis, Dr. Andy! ;-)


--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Jury <andy@...> wrote:

>
> Vincent,
> 
> Many of the functions which are not working are reliant on the multiplexor
> bus (the two 4051s). Given this you should definitely attempt the, first ,
> the reset procedure (the one with the 56K dummy load) and then, second, the
> D/A convertor before you do anything else. Make sure the controller are set
> as per the diagram at the start of the calibration section of the manual.
> You may find some marked improvements when this is completed!
> 
> Cheers,
> Andy
> 
> 
> On 15/05/2010 02:44, "kluberrrrr" <KLBR@...> wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >    
> > 
> > HI there!
> > 
> > I'm really you guys crossed my thread!
> > Thanks again to take time to help me!
> > 
> > To Jed and Andy, I will undo the R09 fix tomorrow,  I'd like to start as
> > well the Adjustment Procedure where there is some parts I don't
> > understand at the very beginning of the procedure I should verify the
> > power supply with the test point on the "J" ??? What are the J 's, are
> > they some diodes? or resistances? And then ON the Reset Procedure there
> > is something with a 52Ko resistance but I can't get to understand where
> > i should put the legs on ?
> > and for the MG "Calibration" I really need to use an Oscilloscope but I
> > found there was some software equivalent.  What do you think about them?
> > I'll still look on ebay...
> > 
> > I still did some tests with the buttons and knobs.
> > Here the result:
> > 
> > OUTPUT SECTION
> > 
> > Volume : Ok
> > Output SW : Ok
> > 
> > TUNE SECTION
> > 
> > Tune Knb : not sure
> > 
> > VCO SECTION
> > 
> > Octave : Ok
> > Waveform selection : Ok
> > PW\PWM : hard to say
> > PWM Speed : hard to say too
> > Sub Osc SW : Ok
> > 
> > VCF SECTION
> > 
> > Cutoff : No
> > Resonance : No
> > EG Intensity : No
> > Keyboard Track : No
> > 
> > VCA SECTION
> > 
> > VCA Mode : Ok
> > Attenuation : Ok
> > 
> > ARPEGGIATOR SECTION
> > 
> > Arpeggiator SW on/off  :  Ok
> > Arpeggiator Speed  :  Ok
> > Range SW  :  Ok
> > Mode SW  :  Ok
> > Latch SW  :  Ok
> > 
> > MG SECTION
> > 
> > Freq Diode : Yes but not sync with the Freq Knb
> > Freq : No
> > Delay : No
> > Level : No
> > MG Mode : Ok
> > 
> > EG SECTION
> > 
> > Attack : No
> > Decay : No
> > Sustain : No
> > Release : No
> > 
> > EFFECTS SECTION
> > 
> > (Once again it's hard to say 'cause I hear the notes played only on the
> > "top" of the modulation so it's hard to define phaser ensemble or
> > chorus)
> > 
> > FX Mode : Seems Ok
> > Speed\Intensity : Hard to say
> > 
> > BEND SECTION
> > 
> > Bend Intensity : Ok
> > 
> > WHEELS
> > 
> > Bend Wheel : Ok
> > MG Wheel : Ok
> > 
> > KEY ASSIGN MODE SECTION
> > 
> > Hold : Ok
> > Chord Memory : Ok
> > Unison : Ok
> > Poly : Ok
> > 
> > PROGRAMMER SECTION
> > 
> > All the numbers work when pressed but can't hear the difference
> > 
> > By the way thanks a lot for the Manual Service I found one on a website
> > but yours is best!
> > 
> > Looking forward for your answers
> > 
> > Cheers!
> > 
> > Vincent
> > 
> > PS : ANDY I live in Paris where are you hiding?
> > 
> > --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PolySix%40yahoogroups.com> , Jed
> > Jorgensen <jed.jorgensen@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Man, I'm way too impatient this morning. Andy just sent me a complete
> > copy
> >> > of the manual. That is now up on my website. I'm also putting a copy
> > in the
> >> > file section here.
> >> >
> >> > J
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Jed Jorgensen jed.jorgensen@...:
> >> >
> >>> > > Vincent,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I've put a copy of the service manual on my webpage here:
> >>> > >
> > http://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors\
> > /manuals 
> > <http://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors/manu
> > als> <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-b\
> > ugs-errors/manuals
> > <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors/man
> > uals> >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> > <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-erro\
> > rs/manuals 
> > <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors/man
> > uals> >This
> >>> > > is not a complete copy of the manual, but it has the calibration
> > procedure
> >>> > > that you need to follow. The calibration procedure for the 367 board
> > is on
> >>> > > pages 10 and 11.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Jed
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Jed Jorgensen
> > jed.jorgensen@...:
> >>> > >
> >>>> > >> Hi Vincent,
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> Yes, put R9 back and re-jumper the trace you cut. That modification
> > isn't
> >>>> > >> recommended unless you have LFO noise present that can't be fixed
> > by another
> >>>> > >> method. I've updated my website to make that clear.
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> The calibration procedure on the VR's is necessary to make the
> > board and
> >>>> > >> the P6 function correctly. You can begin parts of the procedure
> > without an
> >>>> > >> oscilloscope, but as Andy noted you have to have one to do the job
> >>>> > >> correctly.
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> Do you have a copy of the service manual? I'll put one on my
> > website soon,
> >>>> > >> but I'm pretty sure it is in the files section at the yahoo groups
> > page.
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> Jed
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:22 AM, kluberrrrr KLBR@ wrote:
> >>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> Hi Jed,
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> first I'd like to thank you for what you did for the P6 itself and
> > of
> >>>>> > >>> course its users! Even if my P6 doesn't work yet I remain positive
> > :)
> >>>>> > >>> I also appreciate you fast answer! thanks!
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> I fixed the R52 and R98 issues. I was hesitating by doing the last
> > one (
> >>>>> > >>> lift the resistance 9 and cut the trace) I did it : unsoldering
> > one leg of
> >>>>> > >>> the R9 cut the trace and put a jumper between the CN 06 pin 02 and
> > the
> >>>>> > >>> unsoldered leg of the R09.
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> No more sound at all !Well, I can hear on the background the
> > modulation
> >>>>> > >>> if i put the gain very high of the audio amp. The knobs on the MG
> > panel
> >>>>> > >>> remain unusable
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> Before to did the fix, I was able to hear the notes played through
> > the
> >>>>> > >>> modulation generator which went in and out very slowly in any MG
> > mod ( vca
> >>>>> > >>> vcf )with a very normal volume. I'm sure that the sound is
> > modulate because
> >>>>> > >>> I can follow the MG led with the fade of the sound
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> I don't have done the VR adjustments yet because I don't have any
> > access
> >>>>> > >>> to an oscilloscope. But I'm not sure it will change a lot. My
> > first target
> >>>>> > >>> is to have the sound back without the modulation on it .
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> Should I put the R09 back and remove the jumper? and try something
> > else?
> >>>>> > >>> Or should I try to do the Don B. fix on the 368 board?
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> Could the problem on my P6 come from another part?
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> Cheers!
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> Vincent
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PolySix%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>> <PolySix%40yahoogroups.com>, Jed
> >>>>> > >>> Jorgensen jed.jorgensen@ wrote:
> >>>>>> > >>> >
> >>>>>> > >>> > Hi Vincent,
> >>>>>> > >>> >
> >>>>>> > >>> > Did you fix the two PCB errors noted here (#1 & #3):
> >>>>>> > >>> >
> >>>>> > >>>
> > https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error\
> > s <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors>
> >>>>>> > >>> >
> >>>>>> > >>> > <
> >>>>> > >>>
> > https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error\
> > s <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors>
> >>>>>> > >>> >Also,
> >>>>>> > >>> > did you calibrate the board following the build as per the
> > service
> >>>>> > >>> manual?
> >>>>>> > >>> >
> >>>>>> > >>> > Jed
> >>>>>> > >>> >
> >>>>>> > >>> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, kluberrrrr KLBR@ wrote:
> >>>>>> > >>> >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Hi everybody,
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > I'm quite desperate here, so I hope someone could help me a
> > bit
> >>>>> > >>> especially
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > because I'm not very good in English and I'm not an electronic
> > guy!
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > A couple of years ago I found a polysix which had the famous
> > leak
> >>>>> > >>> battery
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > problem, so impossible to play on it.
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > I tried to repair the KLM 367 but with no success.
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Then i discovered the Jed's project
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Today I've just finished to solder all the parts on the
> > KLM-367A
> >>>>> > >>> clone
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > board.
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > I put the board back on my P6. Then I turned it on.
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > First, the programmer panel seems to work fine, Led button
> > repond
> >>>>> > >>> when I
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > push them
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > BUT there is no sound at all. Just some attack sound, some
> > 'blops'.
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > When I hold a key down, I can hear the note coming very slowly
> > and
> >>>>> > >>> fade
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > out. Just like the LEd of the MG panel fading In and Out very
> > slowly.
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > The Mg frequency, delay and level's knobs don't affect the
> >>>>> > >>> modulation. Even
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > if the modulation level is at 0, the sound is fully modulated
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > So I guess it's the MG section which seems to not work
> > properly. It
> >>>>> > >>> looks
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > like it is stuck on a very slow frequency and there is no way
> > to cut
> >>>>> > >>> the
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > modulation.
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Also cutoff, resonance, eg int, keyboard track knobs don't
> > seem to
> >>>>> > >>> change
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the sound.
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > When I built the new Jed's PCB, I used from the old board the
> > mask
> >>>>> > >>> rom IC,
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > the TC5514APL-3 IC, the two LM13600 ICs and the 2SA798
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > What do you think? Is it possible that one of the Ic is dead?
> > Or does
> >>>>> > >>> it
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > look like the problem is deeper?
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Please excuse my poor english !
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Cheers!
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Vincent
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> >>>>>> > >>> >
> >>>>>> > >>> >
> >>>>>> > >>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>>> > >>> >
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >>
> >>> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > 
> >  
> >    
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hey,

Thanks everybody for your explanations

So I did check the battery Voltage ( in the service manual they said it should be between 3.6V and 4.10) my multimeter gives me 3.0V but since the battery is no more the same it's correct.
I checked the  power supply, every VR have been verified.
I put a 56K on the 2pin connector of the KLM-376  board (should I use an 1/4W or 1W  resistance?) then I turned the VR1 on the KLM-367...but nothing happened.
Bank A, Program 1 and Tape Enable are lighting on with or without the 56K connector. whatever how i turn to the clockwise or the counterclockwise theLEDs remain the same.

When I turn the power on ( without the 2pin 56K) I noticed the Tape LED is always lit. if I switch to enable the LED turns brighter...

Should I continue the procedure with D/A adjustment?


PS : I noticed something weird when I press a key six time in a row the D10 on the unit 4 and the unit 5 don't light. Does it mean 2 voices are kind of broken? 

 Cheers!


Vincent

--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, Jed Jorgensen <jed.jorgensen@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Vincent,
> 
> What Paul said is correct. You can also use the "Test Points" (known as
> "TP'x'") which are little brass hooks with a yellow bead at the bottom. The
> first part of the adjustment procedure is on the KLM-376 PCB, the power
> supply at the back of the unit. With this procedure you are checking to make
> sure the voltages coming off the power supply are correct. Take care in
> doing this. If you are unsure about what you are doing, keep one hand in
> your back pocket. It is a little harder to electrocute yourself that way.
> 
> To make the dummy plug for the reset procedure (56k resistor thing) see if
> you can find an old computer mother board and take off a small connector.
> The audio connectors should fit perfectly. You'll solder a 56k resistor
> across the wires.
> 
> As far as the oscilloscope goes, ask around where you live. I've borrowed
> one from my co-worker's boyfriend for about 9 months. No need to buy
> something that you aren't going to use a lot. I'm sure you can find one
> where you live.
> 
> Above all...GO SLOW AND BE CAREFUL!!!! Make sure you understand what it is
> that you are trying to do...BEFORE you do it. Remember, you are working in a
> circuit that has electricity applied to it. This is dangerous if you don't
> know how to be careful.
> 
> Also know this: this is an extremely challenging project if you have not
> worked on electronic circuits before. It is a good idea to find someone
> where you live who can help you!
> 
> Jed
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Paul T <sharpfish@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> > there is a blank white plastic 2 pinned connector just below a capacitor
> > and near a VR on the rear panel mounted power board (for the 52k load) - the
> > j1/2/7 etc are the component style 'jumpers' on this board - you put your
> > multimeter probe against the legs of them and get the reading from there -
> > they are marked on the board as J1/2/7 etc. I did mine just the other day as
> > it happens.
> > HTHPaul
> >
> > To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com
> > From: KLBR@...
> > Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 01:44:38 +0000
> > Subject: [PolySix] Re: MG section problem
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      HI there!
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm really you guys crossed my thread!
> >
> > Thanks again to take time to help me!
> >
> >
> >
> > To Jed and Andy, I will undo the R09 fix tomorrow,  I'd like to start as
> >
> > well the Adjustment Procedure where there is some parts I don't
> >
> > understand at the very beginning of the procedure I should verify the
> >
> > power supply with the test point on the "J" ??? What are the J 's, are
> >
> > they some diodes? or resistances? And then ON the Reset Procedure there
> >
> > is something with a 52Ko resistance but I can't get to understand where
> >
> > i should put the legs on ?
> >
> > and for the MG "Calibration" I really need to use an Oscilloscope but I
> >
> > found there was some software equivalent.  What do you think about them?
> >
> > I'll still look on ebay...
> >
> >
> >
> > I still did some tests with the buttons and knobs.
> >
> > Here the result:
> >
> >
> >
> > OUTPUT SECTION
> >
> >
> >
> > Volume : Ok
> >
> > Output SW : Ok
> >
> >
> >
> > TUNE SECTION
> >
> >
> >
> > Tune Knb : not sure
> >
> >
> >
> > VCO SECTION
> >
> >
> >
> > Octave : Ok
> >
> > Waveform selection : Ok
> >
> > PW\PWM : hard to say
> >
> > PWM Speed : hard to say too
> >
> > Sub Osc SW : Ok
> >
> >
> >
> > VCF SECTION
> >
> >
> >
> > Cutoff : No
> >
> > Resonance : No
> >
> > EG Intensity : No
> >
> > Keyboard Track : No
> >
> >
> >
> > VCA SECTION
> >
> >
> >
> > VCA Mode : Ok
> >
> > Attenuation : Ok
> >
> >
> >
> > ARPEGGIATOR SECTION
> >
> >
> >
> > Arpeggiator SW on/off  :  Ok
> >
> > Arpeggiator Speed  :  Ok
> >
> > Range SW  :  Ok
> >
> > Mode SW  :  Ok
> >
> > Latch SW  :  Ok
> >
> >
> >
> > MG SECTION
> >
> >
> >
> > Freq Diode : Yes but not sync with the Freq Knb
> >
> > Freq : No
> >
> > Delay : No
> >
> > Level : No
> >
> > MG Mode : Ok
> >
> >
> >
> > EG SECTION
> >
> >
> >
> > Attack : No
> >
> > Decay : No
> >
> > Sustain : No
> >
> > Release : No
> >
> >
> >
> > EFFECTS SECTION
> >
> >
> >
> > (Once again it's hard to say 'cause I hear the notes played only on the
> >
> > "top" of the modulation so it's hard to define phaser ensemble or
> >
> > chorus)
> >
> >
> >
> > FX Mode : Seems Ok
> >
> > Speed\Intensity : Hard to say
> >
> >
> >
> > BEND SECTION
> >
> >
> >
> > Bend Intensity : Ok
> >
> >
> >
> > WHEELS
> >
> >
> >
> > Bend Wheel : Ok
> >
> > MG Wheel : Ok
> >
> >
> >
> > KEY ASSIGN MODE SECTION
> >
> >
> >
> > Hold : Ok
> >
> > Chord Memory : Ok
> >
> > Unison : Ok
> >
> > Poly : Ok
> >
> >
> >
> > PROGRAMMER SECTION
> >
> >
> >
> > All the numbers work when pressed but can't hear the difference
> >
> >
> >
> > By the way thanks a lot for the Manual Service I found one on a website
> >
> > but yours is best!
> >
> >
> >
> > Looking forward for your answers
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> >
> >
> > Vincent
> >
> >
> >
> > PS : ANDY I live in Paris where are you hiding?
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, Jed Jorgensen <jed.jorgensen@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Man, I'm way too impatient this morning. Andy just sent me a complete
> >
> > copy
> >
> > > of the manual. That is now up on my website. I'm also putting a copy
> >
> > in the
> >
> > > file section here.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > J
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Jed Jorgensen jed.jorgensen@...:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > Vincent,
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > I've put a copy of the service manual on my webpage here:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > http://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors\
> >
> > /manuals<https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-b\
> >
> > ugs-errors/manuals>
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-erro\
> >
> > rs/manuals>This
> >
> > > > is not a complete copy of the manual, but it has the calibration
> >
> > procedure
> >
> > > > that you need to follow. The calibration procedure for the 367 board
> >
> > is on
> >
> > > > pages 10 and 11.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Jed
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Jed Jorgensen
> >
> > jed.jorgensen@...:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >> Hi Vincent,
> >
> > > >>
> >
> > > >> Yes, put R9 back and re-jumper the trace you cut. That modification
> >
> > isn't
> >
> > > >> recommended unless you have LFO noise present that can't be fixed
> >
> > by another
> >
> > > >> method. I've updated my website to make that clear.
> >
> > > >>
> >
> > > >> The calibration procedure on the VR's is necessary to make the
> >
> > board and
> >
> > > >> the P6 function correctly. You can begin parts of the procedure
> >
> > without an
> >
> > > >> oscilloscope, but as Andy noted you have to have one to do the job
> >
> > > >> correctly.
> >
> > > >>
> >
> > > >> Do you have a copy of the service manual? I'll put one on my
> >
> > website soon,
> >
> > > >> but I'm pretty sure it is in the files section at the yahoo groups
> >
> > page.
> >
> > > >>
> >
> > > >> Jed
> >
> > > >>
> >
> > > >> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:22 AM, kluberrrrr KLBR@ wrote:
> >
> > > >>
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>> Hi Jed,
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>> first I'd like to thank you for what you did for the P6 itself and
> >
> > of
> >
> > > >>> course its users! Even if my P6 doesn't work yet I remain positive
> >
> > :)
> >
> > > >>> I also appreciate you fast answer! thanks!
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>> I fixed the R52 and R98 issues. I was hesitating by doing the last
> >
> > one (
> >
> > > >>> lift the resistance 9 and cut the trace) I did it : unsoldering
> >
> > one leg of
> >
> > > >>> the R9 cut the trace and put a jumper between the CN 06 pin 02 and
> >
> > the
> >
> > > >>> unsoldered leg of the R09.
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>> No more sound at all !Well, I can hear on the background the
> >
> > modulation
> >
> > > >>> if i put the gain very high of the audio amp. The knobs on the MG
> >
> > panel
> >
> > > >>> remain unusable
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>> Before to did the fix, I was able to hear the notes played through
> >
> > the
> >
> > > >>> modulation generator which went in and out very slowly in any MG
> >
> > mod ( vca
> >
> > > >>> vcf )with a very normal volume. I'm sure that the sound is
> >
> > modulate because
> >
> > > >>> I can follow the MG led with the fade of the sound
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>> I don't have done the VR adjustments yet because I don't have any
> >
> > access
> >
> > > >>> to an oscilloscope. But I'm not sure it will change a lot. My
> >
> > first target
> >
> > > >>> is to have the sound back without the modulation on it .
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>> Should I put the R09 back and remove the jumper? and try something
> >
> > else?
> >
> > > >>> Or should I try to do the Don B. fix on the 368 board?
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>> Could the problem on my P6 come from another part?
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>> Cheers!
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>> Vincent
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > > >>> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <PolySix%40yahoogroups.com>, Jed
> >
> > > >>> Jorgensen jed.jorgensen@ wrote:
> >
> > > >>> >
> >
> > > >>> > Hi Vincent,
> >
> > > >>> >
> >
> > > >>> > Did you fix the two PCB errors noted here (#1 & #3):
> >
> > > >>> >
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error\
> >
> > s
> >
> > > >>> >
> >
> > > >>> > <
> >
> > > >>>
> >
> > https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error\
> >
> > s
> >
> > > >>> >Also,
> >
> > > >>> > did you calibrate the board following the build as per the
> >
> > service
> >
> > > >>> manual?
> >
> > > >>> >
> >
> > > >>> > Jed
> >
> > > >>> >
> >
> > > >>> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, kluberrrrr KLBR@ wrote:
> >
> > > >>> >
> >
> > > >>> > >
> >
> > > >>> > >
> >
> > > >>> > > Hi everybody,
> >
> > > >>> > >
> >
> > > >>> > > I'm quite desperate here, so I hope someone could help me a
> >
> > bit
> >
> > > >>> especially
> >
> > > >>> > > because I'm not very good in English and I'm not an electronic
> >
> > guy!
> >
> > > >>> > > A couple of years ago I found a polysix which had the famous
> >
> > leak
> >
> > > >>> battery
> >
> > > >>> > > problem, so impossible to play on it.
> >
> > > >>> > >
> >
> > > >>> > > I tried to repair the KLM 367 but with no success.
> >
> > > >>> > > Then i discovered the Jed's project
> >
> > > >>> > >
> >
> > > >>> > > Today I've just finished to solder all the parts on the
> >
> > KLM-367A
> >
> > > >>> clone
> >
> > > >>> > > board.
> >
> > > >>> > > I put the board back on my P6. Then I turned it on.
> >
> > > >>> > >
> >
> > > >>> > > First, the programmer panel seems to work fine, Led button
> >
> > repond
> >
> > > >>> when I
> >
> > > >>> > > push them
> >
> > > >>> > >
> >
> > > >>> > > BUT there is no sound at all. Just some attack sound, some
> >
> > 'blops'.
> >
> > > >>> > >
> >
> > > >>> > > When I hold a key down, I can hear the note coming very slowly
> >
> > and
> >
> > > >>> fade
> >
> > > >>> > > out. Just like the LEd of the MG panel fading In and Out very
> >
> > slowly.
> >
> > > >>> > >
> >
> > > >>> > > The Mg frequency, delay and level's knobs don't affect the
> >
> > > >>> modulation. Even
> >
> > > >>> > > if the modulation level is at 0, the sound is fully modulated
> >
> > > >>> > >
> >
> > > >>> > > So I guess it's the MG section which seems to not work
> >
> > properly. It
> >
> > > >>> looks
> >
> > > >>> > > like it is stuck on a very slow frequency and there is no way
> >
> > to cut
> >
> > > >>> the
> >
> > > >>> > > modulation.
> >
> > > >>> > >
> >
> > > >>> > >
> >
> > > >>> > > Also cutoff, resonance, eg int, keyboard track knobs don't
> >
> > seem to
> >
> > > >>> change
> >
> > > >>> > > the sound.
> >
> > > >>> > >
> >
> > > >>> > > When I built the new Jed's PCB, I used from the old board the
> >
> > mask
> >
> > > >>> rom IC,
> >
> > > >>> > > the TC5514APL-3 IC, the two LM13600 ICs and the 2SA798
> >
> > > >>> > >
> >
> > > >>> > > What do you think? Is it possible that one of the Ic is dead?
> >
> > Or does
> >
> > > >>> it
> >
> > > >>> > > look like the problem is deeper?
> >
> > > >>> > >
> >
> > > >>> > > Please excuse my poor english !
> >
> > > >>> > >
> >
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> >
> > > >>> > >
> >
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Do you want a recorded sample to hear what is the state of my P6 for the moment?

--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, "kluberrrrr" <KLBR@...> wrote:

>
> Hey,
> 
> Thanks everybody for your explanations
> 
> So I did check the battery Voltage ( in the service manual they said it should be between 3.6V and 4.10) my multimeter gives me 3.0V but since the battery is no more the same it's correct.
> I checked the  power supply, every VR have been verified.
> I put a 56K on the 2pin connector of the KLM-376  board (should I use an 1/4W or 1W  resistance?) then I turned the VR1 on the KLM-367...but nothing happened.
> Bank A, Program 1 and Tape Enable are lighting on with or without the 56K connector. whatever how i turn to the clockwise or the counterclockwise theLEDs remain the same.
> 
> When I turn the power on ( without the 2pin 56K) I noticed the Tape LED is always lit. if I switch to enable the LED turns brighter...
> 
> Should I continue the procedure with D/A adjustment?
> 
> 
> PS : I noticed something weird when I press a key six time in a row the D10 on the unit 4 and the unit 5 don't light. Does it mean 2 voices are kind of broken? 
> 
>  Cheers!
> 
> 
> Vincent
> 
> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, Jed Jorgensen <jed.jorgensen@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Vincent,
> > 
> > What Paul said is correct. You can also use the "Test Points" (known as
> > "TP'x'") which are little brass hooks with a yellow bead at the bottom. The
> > first part of the adjustment procedure is on the KLM-376 PCB, the power
> > supply at the back of the unit. With this procedure you are checking to make
> > sure the voltages coming off the power supply are correct. Take care in
> > doing this. If you are unsure about what you are doing, keep one hand in
> > your back pocket. It is a little harder to electrocute yourself that way.
> > 
> > To make the dummy plug for the reset procedure (56k resistor thing) see if
> > you can find an old computer mother board and take off a small connector.
> > The audio connectors should fit perfectly. You'll solder a 56k resistor
> > across the wires.
> > 
> > As far as the oscilloscope goes, ask around where you live. I've borrowed
> > one from my co-worker's boyfriend for about 9 months. No need to buy
> > something that you aren't going to use a lot. I'm sure you can find one
> > where you live.
> > 
> > Above all...GO SLOW AND BE CAREFUL!!!! Make sure you understand what it is
> > that you are trying to do...BEFORE you do it. Remember, you are working in a
> > circuit that has electricity applied to it. This is dangerous if you don't
> > know how to be careful.
> > 
> > Also know this: this is an extremely challenging project if you have not
> > worked on electronic circuits before. It is a good idea to find someone
> > where you live who can help you!
> > 
> > Jed
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Paul T <sharpfish@> wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > there is a blank white plastic 2 pinned connector just below a capacitor
> > > and near a VR on the rear panel mounted power board (for the 52k load) - the
> > > j1/2/7 etc are the component style 'jumpers' on this board - you put your
> > > multimeter probe against the legs of them and get the reading from there -
> > > they are marked on the board as J1/2/7 etc. I did mine just the other day as
> > > it happens.
> > > HTHPaul
> > >
> > > To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: KLBR@
> > > Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 01:44:38 +0000
> > > Subject: [PolySix] Re: MG section problem
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      HI there!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm really you guys crossed my thread!
> > >
> > > Thanks again to take time to help me!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To Jed and Andy, I will undo the R09 fix tomorrow,  I'd like to start as
> > >
> > > well the Adjustment Procedure where there is some parts I don't
> > >
> > > understand at the very beginning of the procedure I should verify the
> > >
> > > power supply with the test point on the "J" ??? What are the J 's, are
> > >
> > > they some diodes? or resistances? And then ON the Reset Procedure there
> > >
> > > is something with a 52Ko resistance but I can't get to understand where
> > >
> > > i should put the legs on ?
> > >
> > > and for the MG "Calibration" I really need to use an Oscilloscope but I
> > >
> > > found there was some software equivalent.  What do you think about them?
> > >
> > > I'll still look on ebay...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I still did some tests with the buttons and knobs.
> > >
> > > Here the result:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > OUTPUT SECTION
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Volume : Ok
> > >
> > > Output SW : Ok
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > TUNE SECTION
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tune Knb : not sure
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > VCO SECTION
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Octave : Ok
> > >
> > > Waveform selection : Ok
> > >
> > > PW\PWM : hard to say
> > >
> > > PWM Speed : hard to say too
> > >
> > > Sub Osc SW : Ok
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > VCF SECTION
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cutoff : No
> > >
> > > Resonance : No
> > >
> > > EG Intensity : No
> > >
> > > Keyboard Track : No
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > VCA SECTION
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > VCA Mode : Ok
> > >
> > > Attenuation : Ok
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ARPEGGIATOR SECTION
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Arpeggiator SW on/off  :  Ok
> > >
> > > Arpeggiator Speed  :  Ok
> > >
> > > Range SW  :  Ok
> > >
> > > Mode SW  :  Ok
> > >
> > > Latch SW  :  Ok
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > MG SECTION
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Freq Diode : Yes but not sync with the Freq Knb
> > >
> > > Freq : No
> > >
> > > Delay : No
> > >
> > > Level : No
> > >
> > > MG Mode : Ok
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > EG SECTION
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Attack : No
> > >
> > > Decay : No
> > >
> > > Sustain : No
> > >
> > > Release : No
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > EFFECTS SECTION
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > (Once again it's hard to say 'cause I hear the notes played only on the
> > >
> > > "top" of the modulation so it's hard to define phaser ensemble or
> > >
> > > chorus)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > FX Mode : Seems Ok
> > >
> > > Speed\Intensity : Hard to say
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > BEND SECTION
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bend Intensity : Ok
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > WHEELS
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bend Wheel : Ok
> > >
> > > MG Wheel : Ok
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > KEY ASSIGN MODE SECTION
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hold : Ok
> > >
> > > Chord Memory : Ok
> > >
> > > Unison : Ok
> > >
> > > Poly : Ok
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > PROGRAMMER SECTION
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > All the numbers work when pressed but can't hear the difference
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > By the way thanks a lot for the Manual Service I found one on a website
> > >
> > > but yours is best!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Looking forward for your answers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Vincent
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > PS : ANDY I live in Paris where are you hiding?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, Jed Jorgensen <jed.jorgensen@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Man, I'm way too impatient this morning. Andy just sent me a complete
> > >
> > > copy
> > >
> > > > of the manual. That is now up on my website. I'm also putting a copy
> > >
> > > in the
> > >
> > > > file section here.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > J
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Jed Jorgensen jed.jorgensen@:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Vincent,
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > I've put a copy of the service manual on my webpage here:
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > http://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors\
> > >
> > > /manuals<https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-b\
> > >
> > > ugs-errors/manuals>
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-erro\
> > >
> > > rs/manuals>This
> > >
> > > > > is not a complete copy of the manual, but it has the calibration
> > >
> > > procedure
> > >
> > > > > that you need to follow. The calibration procedure for the 367 board
> > >
> > > is on
> > >
> > > > > pages 10 and 11.
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Jed
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Jed Jorgensen
> > >
> > > jed.jorgensen@:
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >> Hi Vincent,
> > >
> > > > >>
> > >
> > > > >> Yes, put R9 back and re-jumper the trace you cut. That modification
> > >
> > > isn't
> > >
> > > > >> recommended unless you have LFO noise present that can't be fixed
> > >
> > > by another
> > >
> > > > >> method. I've updated my website to make that clear.
> > >
> > > > >>
> > >
> > > > >> The calibration procedure on the VR's is necessary to make the
> > >
> > > board and
> > >
> > > > >> the P6 function correctly. You can begin parts of the procedure
> > >
> > > without an
> > >
> > > > >> oscilloscope, but as Andy noted you have to have one to do the job
> > >
> > > > >> correctly.
> > >
> > > > >>
> > >
> > > > >> Do you have a copy of the service manual? I'll put one on my
> > >
> > > website soon,
> > >
> > > > >> but I'm pretty sure it is in the files section at the yahoo groups
> > >
> > > page.
> > >
> > > > >>
> > >
> > > > >> Jed
> > >
> > > > >>
> > >
> > > > >> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:22 AM, kluberrrrr KLBR@ wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > > >>> Hi Jed,
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > > >>> first I'd like to thank you for what you did for the P6 itself and
> > >
> > > of
> > >
> > > > >>> course its users! Even if my P6 doesn't work yet I remain positive
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > > > >>> I also appreciate you fast answer! thanks!
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > > >>> I fixed the R52 and R98 issues. I was hesitating by doing the last
> > >
> > > one (
> > >
> > > > >>> lift the resistance 9 and cut the trace) I did it : unsoldering
> > >
> > > one leg of
> > >
> > > > >>> the R9 cut the trace and put a jumper between the CN 06 pin 02 and
> > >
> > > the
> > >
> > > > >>> unsoldered leg of the R09.
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > > >>> No more sound at all !Well, I can hear on the background the
> > >
> > > modulation
> > >
> > > > >>> if i put the gain very high of the audio amp. The knobs on the MG
> > >
> > > panel
> > >
> > > > >>> remain unusable
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > > >>> Before to did the fix, I was able to hear the notes played through
> > >
> > > the
> > >
> > > > >>> modulation generator which went in and out very slowly in any MG
> > >
> > > mod ( vca
> > >
> > > > >>> vcf )with a very normal volume. I'm sure that the sound is
> > >
> > > modulate because
> > >
> > > > >>> I can follow the MG led with the fade of the sound
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > > >>> I don't have done the VR adjustments yet because I don't have any
> > >
> > > access
> > >
> > > > >>> to an oscilloscope. But I'm not sure it will change a lot. My
> > >
> > > first target
> > >
> > > > >>> is to have the sound back without the modulation on it .
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > > >>> Should I put the R09 back and remove the jumper? and try something
> > >
> > > else?
> > >
> > > > >>> Or should I try to do the Don B. fix on the 368 board?
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > > >>> Could the problem on my P6 come from another part?
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > > >>> Cheers!
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > > >>> Vincent
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > > >>> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <PolySix%40yahoogroups.com>, Jed
> > >
> > > > >>> Jorgensen jed.jorgensen@ wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>> >
> > >
> > > > >>> > Hi Vincent,
> > >
> > > > >>> >
> > >
> > > > >>> > Did you fix the two PCB errors noted here (#1 & #3):
> > >
> > > > >>> >
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error\
> > >
> > > s
> > >
> > > > >>> >
> > >
> > > > >>> > <
> > >
> > > > >>>
> > >
> > > https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error\
> > >
> > > s
> > >
> > > > >>> >Also,
> > >
> > > > >>> > did you calibrate the board following the build as per the
> > >
> > > service
> > >
> > > > >>> manual?
> > >
> > > > >>> >
> > >
> > > > >>> > Jed
> > >
> > > > >>> >
> > >
> > > > >>> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, kluberrrrr KLBR@ wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>> >
> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > >
> > > > >>> > > Hi everybody,
> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > >
> > > > >>> > > I'm quite desperate here, so I hope someone could help me a
> > >
> > > bit
> > >
> > > > >>> especially
> > >
> > > > >>> > > because I'm not very good in English and I'm not an electronic
> > >
> > > guy!
> > >
> > > > >>> > > A couple of years ago I found a polysix which had the famous
> > >
> > > leak
> > >
> > > > >>> battery
> > >
> > > > >>> > > problem, so impossible to play on it.
> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > >
> > > > >>> > > I tried to repair the KLM 367 but with no success.
> > >
> > > > >>> > > Then i discovered the Jed's project
> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > >
> > > > >>> > > Today I've just finished to solder all the parts on the
> > >
> > > KLM-367A
> > >
> > > > >>> clone
> > >
> > > > >>> > > board.
> > >
> > > > >>> > > I put the board back on my P6. Then I turned it on.
> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > >
> > > > >>> > > First, the programmer panel seems to work fine, Led button
> > >
> > > repond
> > >
> > > > >>> when I
> > >
> > > > >>> > > push them
> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > >
> > > > >>> > > BUT there is no sound at all. Just some attack sound, some
> > >
> > > 'blops'.
> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > >
> > > > >>> > > When I hold a key down, I can hear the note coming very slowly
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > > >>> fade
> > >
> > > > >>> > > out. Just like the LEd of the MG panel fading In and Out very
> > >
> > > slowly.
> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > >
> > > > >>> > > The Mg frequency, delay and level's knobs don't affect the
> > >
> > > > >>> modulation. Even
> > >
> > > > >>> > > if the modulation level is at 0, the sound is fully modulated
> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > >
> > > > >>> > > So I guess it's the MG section which seems to not work
> > >
> > > properly. It
> > >
> > > > >>> looks
> > >
> > > > >>> > > like it is stuck on a very slow frequency and there is no way
> > >
> > > to cut
> > >
> > > > >>> the
> > >
> > > > >>> > > modulation.
> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > >
> > > > >>> > > Also cutoff, resonance, eg int, keyboard track knobs don't
> > >
> > > seem to
> > >
> > > > >>> change
> > >
> > > > >>> > > the sound.
> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > >
> > > > >>> > > When I built the new Jed's PCB, I used from the old board the
> > >
> > > mask
> > >
> > > > >>> rom IC,
> > >
> > > > >>> > > the TC5514APL-3 IC, the two LM13600 ICs and the 2SA798
> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > >
> > > > >>> > > What do you think? Is it possible that one of the Ic is dead?
> > >
> > > Or does
> > >
> > > > >>> it
> > >
> > > > >>> > > look like the problem is deeper?
> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > >
> > > > >>> > > Please excuse my poor english !
> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > >
> > > > >>> > > Cheers!
> > >
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Eventually I did the D/A adjustment. All steps went fine except the 7 one because I don't have an oscilloscope yet. (working on it)

--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, "psicraft_designs" <tony@...> wrote:

>
> 
> 
> 
> ... They do call him the Synth Professor, after all! Wow. A highly impressive diagnosis, Dr. Andy! ;-)
> 
> 
> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Jury <andy@> wrote:
> >
> > Vincent,
> > 
> > Many of the functions which are not working are reliant on the multiplexor
> > bus (the two 4051s). Given this you should definitely attempt the, first ,
> > the reset procedure (the one with the 56K dummy load) and then, second, the
> > D/A convertor before you do anything else. Make sure the controller are set
> > as per the diagram at the start of the calibration section of the manual.
> > You may find some marked improvements when this is completed!
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Andy
> > 
> > 
> > On 15/05/2010 02:44, "kluberrrrr" <KLBR@> wrote:
> > 
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > >    
> > > 
> > > HI there!
> > > 
> > > I'm really you guys crossed my thread!
> > > Thanks again to take time to help me!
> > > 
> > > To Jed and Andy, I will undo the R09 fix tomorrow,  I'd like to start as
> > > well the Adjustment Procedure where there is some parts I don't
> > > understand at the very beginning of the procedure I should verify the
> > > power supply with the test point on the "J" ??? What are the J 's, are
> > > they some diodes? or resistances? And then ON the Reset Procedure there
> > > is something with a 52Ko resistance but I can't get to understand where
> > > i should put the legs on ?
> > > and for the MG "Calibration" I really need to use an Oscilloscope but I
> > > found there was some software equivalent.  What do you think about them?
> > > I'll still look on ebay...
> > > 
> > > I still did some tests with the buttons and knobs.
> > > Here the result:
> > > 
> > > OUTPUT SECTION
> > > 
> > > Volume : Ok
> > > Output SW : Ok
> > > 
> > > TUNE SECTION
> > > 
> > > Tune Knb : not sure
> > > 
> > > VCO SECTION
> > > 
> > > Octave : Ok
> > > Waveform selection : Ok
> > > PW\PWM : hard to say
> > > PWM Speed : hard to say too
> > > Sub Osc SW : Ok
> > > 
> > > VCF SECTION
> > > 
> > > Cutoff : No
> > > Resonance : No
> > > EG Intensity : No
> > > Keyboard Track : No
> > > 
> > > VCA SECTION
> > > 
> > > VCA Mode : Ok
> > > Attenuation : Ok
> > > 
> > > ARPEGGIATOR SECTION
> > > 
> > > Arpeggiator SW on/off  :  Ok
> > > Arpeggiator Speed  :  Ok
> > > Range SW  :  Ok
> > > Mode SW  :  Ok
> > > Latch SW  :  Ok
> > > 
> > > MG SECTION
> > > 
> > > Freq Diode : Yes but not sync with the Freq Knb
> > > Freq : No
> > > Delay : No
> > > Level : No
> > > MG Mode : Ok
> > > 
> > > EG SECTION
> > > 
> > > Attack : No
> > > Decay : No
> > > Sustain : No
> > > Release : No
> > > 
> > > EFFECTS SECTION
> > > 
> > > (Once again it's hard to say 'cause I hear the notes played only on the
> > > "top" of the modulation so it's hard to define phaser ensemble or
> > > chorus)
> > > 
> > > FX Mode : Seems Ok
> > > Speed\Intensity : Hard to say
> > > 
> > > BEND SECTION
> > > 
> > > Bend Intensity : Ok
> > > 
> > > WHEELS
> > > 
> > > Bend Wheel : Ok
> > > MG Wheel : Ok
> > > 
> > > KEY ASSIGN MODE SECTION
> > > 
> > > Hold : Ok
> > > Chord Memory : Ok
> > > Unison : Ok
> > > Poly : Ok
> > > 
> > > PROGRAMMER SECTION
> > > 
> > > All the numbers work when pressed but can't hear the difference
> > > 
> > > By the way thanks a lot for the Manual Service I found one on a website
> > > but yours is best!
> > > 
> > > Looking forward for your answers
> > > 
> > > Cheers!
> > > 
> > > Vincent
> > > 
> > > PS : ANDY I live in Paris where are you hiding?
> > > 
> > > --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PolySix%40yahoogroups.com> , Jed
> > > Jorgensen <jed.jorgensen@> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Man, I'm way too impatient this morning. Andy just sent me a complete
> > > copy
> > >> > of the manual. That is now up on my website. I'm also putting a copy
> > > in the
> > >> > file section here.
> > >> >
> > >> > J
> > >> >
> > >> > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Jed Jorgensen jed.jorgensen@:
> > >> >
> > >>> > > Vincent,
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > I've put a copy of the service manual on my webpage here:
> > >>> > >
> > > http://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors\
> > > /manuals 
> > > <http://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors/manu
> > > als> <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-b\
> > > ugs-errors/manuals
> > > <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors/man
> > > uals> >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > > <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-erro\
> > > rs/manuals 
> > > <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors/man
> > > uals> >This
> > >>> > > is not a complete copy of the manual, but it has the calibration
> > > procedure
> > >>> > > that you need to follow. The calibration procedure for the 367 board
> > > is on
> > >>> > > pages 10 and 11.
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Jed
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Jed Jorgensen
> > > jed.jorgensen@:
> > >>> > >
> > >>>> > >> Hi Vincent,
> > >>>> > >>
> > >>>> > >> Yes, put R9 back and re-jumper the trace you cut. That modification
> > > isn't
> > >>>> > >> recommended unless you have LFO noise present that can't be fixed
> > > by another
> > >>>> > >> method. I've updated my website to make that clear.
> > >>>> > >>
> > >>>> > >> The calibration procedure on the VR's is necessary to make the
> > > board and
> > >>>> > >> the P6 function correctly. You can begin parts of the procedure
> > > without an
> > >>>> > >> oscilloscope, but as Andy noted you have to have one to do the job
> > >>>> > >> correctly.
> > >>>> > >>
> > >>>> > >> Do you have a copy of the service manual? I'll put one on my
> > > website soon,
> > >>>> > >> but I'm pretty sure it is in the files section at the yahoo groups
> > > page.
> > >>>> > >>
> > >>>> > >> Jed
> > >>>> > >>
> > >>>> > >> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:22 AM, kluberrrrr KLBR@ wrote:
> > >>>> > >>
> > >>>>> > >>>
> > >>>>> > >>>
> > >>>>> > >>> Hi Jed,
> > >>>>> > >>>
> > >>>>> > >>> first I'd like to thank you for what you did for the P6 itself and
> > > of
> > >>>>> > >>> course its users! Even if my P6 doesn't work yet I remain positive
> > > :)
> > >>>>> > >>> I also appreciate you fast answer! thanks!
> > >>>>> > >>>
> > >>>>> > >>> I fixed the R52 and R98 issues. I was hesitating by doing the last
> > > one (
> > >>>>> > >>> lift the resistance 9 and cut the trace) I did it : unsoldering
> > > one leg of
> > >>>>> > >>> the R9 cut the trace and put a jumper between the CN 06 pin 02 and
> > > the
> > >>>>> > >>> unsoldered leg of the R09.
> > >>>>> > >>>
> > >>>>> > >>> No more sound at all !Well, I can hear on the background the
> > > modulation
> > >>>>> > >>> if i put the gain very high of the audio amp. The knobs on the MG
> > > panel
> > >>>>> > >>> remain unusable
> > >>>>> > >>>
> > >>>>> > >>> Before to did the fix, I was able to hear the notes played through
> > > the
> > >>>>> > >>> modulation generator which went in and out very slowly in any MG
> > > mod ( vca
> > >>>>> > >>> vcf )with a very normal volume. I'm sure that the sound is
> > > modulate because
> > >>>>> > >>> I can follow the MG led with the fade of the sound
> > >>>>> > >>>
> > >>>>> > >>> I don't have done the VR adjustments yet because I don't have any
> > > access
> > >>>>> > >>> to an oscilloscope. But I'm not sure it will change a lot. My
> > > first target
> > >>>>> > >>> is to have the sound back without the modulation on it .
> > >>>>> > >>>
> > >>>>> > >>> Should I put the R09 back and remove the jumper? and try something
> > > else?
> > >>>>> > >>> Or should I try to do the Don B. fix on the 368 board?
> > >>>>> > >>>
> > >>>>> > >>> Could the problem on my P6 come from another part?
> > >>>>> > >>>
> > >>>>> > >>> Cheers!
> > >>>>> > >>>
> > >>>>> > >>> Vincent
> > >>>>> > >>>
> > >>>>> > >>> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PolySix%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >>>>> <PolySix%40yahoogroups.com>, Jed
> > >>>>> > >>> Jorgensen jed.jorgensen@ wrote:
> > >>>>>> > >>> >
> > >>>>>> > >>> > Hi Vincent,
> > >>>>>> > >>> >
> > >>>>>> > >>> > Did you fix the two PCB errors noted here (#1 & #3):
> > >>>>>> > >>> >
> > >>>>> > >>>
> > > https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error\
> > > s <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors>
> > >>>>>> > >>> >
> > >>>>>> > >>> > <
> > >>>>> > >>>
> > > https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error\
> > > s <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors>
> > >>>>>> > >>> >Also,
> > >>>>>> > >>> > did you calibrate the board following the build as per the
> > > service
> > >>>>> > >>> manual?
> > >>>>>> > >>> >
> > >>>>>> > >>> > Jed
> > >>>>>> > >>> >
> > >>>>>> > >>> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, kluberrrrr KLBR@ wrote:
> > >>>>>> > >>> >
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Hi everybody,
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > I'm quite desperate here, so I hope someone could help me a
> > > bit
> > >>>>> > >>> especially
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > because I'm not very good in English and I'm not an electronic
> > > guy!
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > A couple of years ago I found a polysix which had the famous
> > > leak
> > >>>>> > >>> battery
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > problem, so impossible to play on it.
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > I tried to repair the KLM 367 but with no success.
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Then i discovered the Jed's project
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Today I've just finished to solder all the parts on the
> > > KLM-367A
> > >>>>> > >>> clone
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > board.
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > I put the board back on my P6. Then I turned it on.
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > First, the programmer panel seems to work fine, Led button
> > > repond
> > >>>>> > >>> when I
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > push them
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > BUT there is no sound at all. Just some attack sound, some
> > > 'blops'.
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > When I hold a key down, I can hear the note coming very slowly
> > > and
> > >>>>> > >>> fade
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > out. Just like the LEd of the MG panel fading In and Out very
> > > slowly.
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > The Mg frequency, delay and level's knobs don't affect the
> > >>>>> > >>> modulation. Even
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > if the modulation level is at 0, the sound is fully modulated
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > So I guess it's the MG section which seems to not work
> > > properly. It
> > >>>>> > >>> looks
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > like it is stuck on a very slow frequency and there is no way
> > > to cut
> > >>>>> > >>> the
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > modulation.
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Also cutoff, resonance, eg int, keyboard track knobs don't
> > > seem to
> > >>>>> > >>> change
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > the sound.
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > When I built the new Jed's PCB, I used from the old board the
> > > mask
> > >>>>> > >>> rom IC,
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > the TC5514APL-3 IC, the two LM13600 ICs and the 2SA798
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > What do you think? Is it possible that one of the Ic is dead?
> > > Or does
> > >>>>> > >>> it
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > look like the problem is deeper?
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Please excuse my poor english !
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Cheers!
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Vincent
> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >
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Vincent,

So let¹s recap... 

You checked the voltage rails generated by the power supply were accurate.
You checked the battery as well (not necessary at this point but OK). You
added the shunt resistor on the power supply with the P6 off (a 1/4w 56K
resistor is fine) and switched back on. Before you did any measurements you
waited at least 30 minutes before checking. Good!

When you tried to adjust the reset circuit you couldn¹t get anything but the
A1 patch LEDs to lights. No matter how far you advanced VR1? OK Here¹s what
is going on. When you set VR1 you are setting the threshold on a comparator
circuit. At a given voltage, when the P6 is powered up, the output of IC5
will momentarily dip to 0v for a prescribed time which you set using VR1.
This pulls pin 4 of the CPU (amongst other things) set the logic on the
board to a known state. (This is a very basic explanation of what is going
on ­ if you are reading this and are an engineer sorry!!). If you cannot set
the reset circuit up then might I suggest you check the following: check the
polarity of D2, D3, D4 and C21. Also be aware that D2 is a zener diode and
provides a reference voltage of 3.9v. If you have used a signal diode such
as a 1N4148 instead (have seen this done before) then this voltage will drop
to 0.6v and render the circuit in operative.

Just a few hints there. Work carefully and methodically and don¹t jump from
one thing to another! That's what they taught me at circuit school anyway!
;-)

BTW I tried to send you a mail to your Œfree.fr¹ account. It is full up! I
was offering you my help if you need it. If interested send me a private
message.

Cheers,
Andy

PS. Don¹t worry about the voice section until you have the 367 working. One
thing at a time, as above!


On 15/05/2010 21:24, "kluberrrrr" <KLBR@free.fr> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
>    
> 
> Hey,
> 
> Thanks everybody for your explanations
> 
> So I did check the battery Voltage ( in the service manual they said it should
> be between 3.6V and 4.10) my multimeter gives me 3.0V but since the battery is
> no more the same it's correct.
> I checked the  power supply, every VR have been verified.
> I put a 56K on the 2pin connector of the KLM-376  board (should I use an 1/4W
> or 1W  resistance?) then I turned the VR1 on the KLM-367...but nothing
> happened.
> Bank A, Program 1 and Tape Enable are lighting on with or without the 56K
> connector. whatever how i turn to the clockwise or the counterclockwise
> theLEDs remain the same.
> 
> When I turn the power on ( without the 2pin 56K) I noticed the Tape LED is
> always lit. if I switch to enable the LED turns brighter...
> 
> Should I continue the procedure with D/A adjustment?
> 
> PS : I noticed something weird when I press a key six time in a row the D10 on
> the unit 4 and the unit 5 don't light. Does it mean 2 voices are kind of
> broken? 
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Vincent
> 
> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PolySix%40yahoogroups.com> , Jed
> Jorgensen <jed.jorgensen@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Vincent,
>> > 
>> > What Paul said is correct. You can also use the "Test Points" (known as
>> > "TP'x'") which are little brass hooks with a yellow bead at the bottom. The
>> > first part of the adjustment procedure is on the KLM-376 PCB, the power
>> > supply at the back of the unit. With this procedure you are checking to
>> make
>> > sure the voltages coming off the power supply are correct. Take care in
>> > doing this. If you are unsure about what you are doing, keep one hand in
>> > your back pocket. It is a little harder to electrocute yourself that way.
>> > 
>> > To make the dummy plug for the reset procedure (56k resistor thing) see if
>> > you can find an old computer mother board and take off a small connector.
>> > The audio connectors should fit perfectly. You'll solder a 56k resistor
>> > across the wires.
>> > 
>> > As far as the oscilloscope goes, ask around where you live. I've borrowed
>> > one from my co-worker's boyfriend for about 9 months. No need to buy
>> > something that you aren't going to use a lot. I'm sure you can find one
>> > where you live.
>> > 
>> > Above all...GO SLOW AND BE CAREFUL!!!! Make sure you understand what it is
>> > that you are trying to do...BEFORE you do it. Remember, you are working in
a
>> > circuit that has electricity applied to it. This is dangerous if you don't
>> > know how to be careful.
>> > 
>> > Also know this: this is an extremely challenging project if you have not
>> > worked on electronic circuits before. It is a good idea to find someone
>> > where you live who can help you!
>> > 
>> > Jed
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Paul T <sharpfish@...> wrote:
>> > 
>>> > >
>>> > > there is a blank white plastic 2 pinned connector just below a capacitor
>>> > > and near a VR on the rear panel mounted power board (for the 52k load) -
the
>>> > > j1/2/7 etc are the component style 'jumpers' on this board - you put >>>
your
>>> > > multimeter probe against the legs of them and get the reading from there
-
>>> > > they are marked on the board as J1/2/7 etc. I did mine just the other
>>> day as
>>> > > it happens.
>>> > > HTHPaul
>>> > >
>>> > > To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PolySix%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> > > From: KLBR@...
>>> > > Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 01:44:38 +0000
>>> > > Subject: [PolySix] Re: MG section problem
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >      HI there!
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > I'm really you guys crossed my thread!
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks again to take time to help me!
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > To Jed and Andy, I will undo the R09 fix tomorrow,  I'd like to start as
>>> > >
>>> > > well the Adjustment Procedure where there is some parts I don't
>>> > >
>>> > > understand at the very beginning of the procedure I should verify the
>>> > >
>>> > > power supply with the test point on the "J" ??? What are the J 's, are
>>> > >
>>> > > they some diodes? or resistances? And then ON the Reset Procedure there
>>> > >
>>> > > is something with a 52Ko resistance but I can't get to understand where
>>> > >
>>> > > i should put the legs on ?
>>> > >
>>> > > and for the MG "Calibration" I really need to use an Oscilloscope but I
>>> > >
>>> > > found there was some software equivalent.  What do you think about them?
>>> > >
>>> > > I'll still look on ebay...
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > I still did some tests with the buttons and knobs.
>>> > >
>>> > > Here the result:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > OUTPUT SECTION
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Volume : Ok
>>> > >
>>> > > Output SW : Ok
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > TUNE SECTION
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Tune Knb : not sure
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > VCO SECTION
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Octave : Ok
>>> > >
>>> > > Waveform selection : Ok
>>> > >
>>> > > PW\PWM : hard to say
>>> > >
>>> > > PWM Speed : hard to say too
>>> > >
>>> > > Sub Osc SW : Ok
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > VCF SECTION
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Cutoff : No
>>> > >
>>> > > Resonance : No
>>> > >
>>> > > EG Intensity : No
>>> > >
>>> > > Keyboard Track : No
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > VCA SECTION
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > VCA Mode : Ok
>>> > >
>>> > > Attenuation : Ok
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > ARPEGGIATOR SECTION
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Arpeggiator SW on/off  :  Ok
>>> > >
>>> > > Arpeggiator Speed  :  Ok
>>> > >
>>> > > Range SW  :  Ok
>>> > >
>>> > > Mode SW  :  Ok
>>> > >
>>> > > Latch SW  :  Ok
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > MG SECTION
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Freq Diode : Yes but not sync with the Freq Knb
>>> > >
>>> > > Freq : No
>>> > >
>>> > > Delay : No
>>> > >
>>> > > Level : No
>>> > >
>>> > > MG Mode : Ok
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > EG SECTION
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Attack : No
>>> > >
>>> > > Decay : No
>>> > >
>>> > > Sustain : No
>>> > >
>>> > > Release : No
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > EFFECTS SECTION
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > (Once again it's hard to say 'cause I hear the notes played only on the
>>> > >
>>> > > "top" of the modulation so it's hard to define phaser ensemble or
>>> > >
>>> > > chorus)
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > FX Mode : Seems Ok
>>> > >
>>> > > Speed\Intensity : Hard to say
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > BEND SECTION
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Bend Intensity : Ok
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > WHEELS
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Bend Wheel : Ok
>>> > >
>>> > > MG Wheel : Ok
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > KEY ASSIGN MODE SECTION
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Hold : Ok
>>> > >
>>> > > Chord Memory : Ok
>>> > >
>>> > > Unison : Ok
>>> > >
>>> > > Poly : Ok
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > PROGRAMMER SECTION
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > All the numbers work when pressed but can't hear the difference
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > By the way thanks a lot for the Manual Service I found one on a website
>>> > >
>>> > > but yours is best!
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Looking forward for your answers
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Cheers!
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Vincent
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > PS : ANDY I live in Paris where are you hiding?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PolySix%40yahoogroups.com> , Jed
>>> Jorgensen <jed.jorgensen@> wrote:
>>> > >
>>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>>> > > > Man, I'm way too impatient this morning. Andy just sent me a complete
>>> > >
>>> > > copy
>>> > >
>>>> > > > of the manual. That is now up on my website. I'm also putting a copy
>>> > >
>>> > > in the
>>> > >
>>>> > > > file section here.
>>> > >
>>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>>> > > > J
>>> > >
>>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>>> > > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Jed Jorgensen jed.jorgensen@...:
>>> > >
>>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>>>> > > > > Vincent,
>>> > >
>>>>> > > > >
>>> > >
>>>>> > > > > I've put a copy of the service manual on my webpage here:
>>> > >
>>>>> > > > >
>>> > >
>>> > > 
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors\
>  <http://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-errors> >
> >
>>> > > 
>>> /manuals<https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-b\
>  <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-b> > >
>>> > > ugs-errors/manuals>
>>> > >
>>>>> > > > >
>>> > >
>>>>> > > > >
>>> > >
>>>>> > > > >
>>> > >
>>> > > 
>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-erro\
>  <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-erro> > >
>>> > > rs/manuals>This
>>> > >
>>>>> > > > > is not a complete copy of the manual, but it has the calibration
>>> > >
>>> > > procedure
>>> > >
>>>>> > > > > that you need to follow. The calibration procedure for the 367
board
>>> > >
>>> > > is on
>>> > >
>>>>> > > > > pages 10 and 11.
>>> > >
>>>>> > > > >
>>> > >
>>>>> > > > > Jed
>>> > >
>>>>> > > > >
>>> > >
>>>>> > > > >
>>> > >
>>>>> > > > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Jed Jorgensen
>>> > >
>>> > > jed.jorgensen@...:
>>> > >
>>>>> > > > >
>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > >> Hi Vincent,
>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > >>
>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > >> Yes, put R9 back and re-jumper the trace you cut. That
>>>>>> modification
>>> > >
>>> > > isn't
>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > >> recommended unless you have LFO noise present that can't be
fixed
>>> > >
>>> > > by another
>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > >> method. I've updated my website to make that clear.
>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > >>
>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > >> The calibration procedure on the VR's is necessary to make the
>>> > >
>>> > > board and
>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > >> the P6 function correctly. You can begin parts of the procedure
>>> > >
>>> > > without an
>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > >> oscilloscope, but as Andy noted you have to have one to do the
job
>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > >> correctly.
>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > >>
>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > >> Do you have a copy of the service manual? I'll put one on my
>>> > >
>>> > > website soon,
>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > >> but I'm pretty sure it is in the files section at the yahoo
groups
>>> > >
>>> > > page.
>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > >>
>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > >> Jed
>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > >>
>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > >> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:22 AM, kluberrrrr KLBR@ wrote:
>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > >>
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>>
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>>
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> Hi Jed,
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>>
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> first I'd like to thank you for what you did for the P6 itself
and
>>> > >
>>> > > of
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> course its users! Even if my P6 doesn't work yet I remain
positive
>>> > >
>>> > > :)
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> I also appreciate you fast answer! thanks!
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>>
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> I fixed the R52 and R98 issues. I was hesitating by doing the
last
>>> > >
>>> > > one (
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> lift the resistance 9 and cut the trace) I did it : >>>>>>>
unsoldering
>>> > >
>>> > > one leg of
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> the R9 cut the trace and put a jumper between the CN 06 pin 02
and
>>> > >
>>> > > the
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> unsoldered leg of the R09.
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>>
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> No more sound at all !Well, I can hear on the background the
>>> > >
>>> > > modulation
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> if i put the gain very high of the audio amp. The knobs on the
MG
>>> > >
>>> > > panel
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> remain unusable
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>>
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> Before to did the fix, I was able to hear the notes played
through
>>> > >
>>> > > the
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> modulation generator which went in and out very slowly in any
MG
>>> > >
>>> > > mod ( vca
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> vcf )with a very normal volume. I'm sure that the sound is
>>> > >
>>> > > modulate because
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> I can follow the MG led with the fade of the sound
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>>
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> I don't have done the VR adjustments yet because I don't have
any
>>> > >
>>> > > access
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> to an oscilloscope. But I'm not sure it will change a lot. My
>>> > >
>>> > > first target
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> is to have the sound back without the modulation on it .
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>>
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> Should I put the R09 back and remove the jumper? and try
something
>>> > >
>>> > > else?
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> Or should I try to do the Don B. fix on the 368 board?
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>>
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> Could the problem on my P6 come from another part?
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>>
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> Cheers!
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>>
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> Vincent
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>>
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> --- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:PolySix%40yahoogroups.com>  <PolySix%40yahoogroups.com>, Jed
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> Jorgensen jed.jorgensen@ wrote:
>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > Hi Vincent,
>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > Did you fix the two PCB errors noted here (#1 & #3):
>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>>
>>> > >
>>> > > 
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error\
>  <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error> >
> >
>>> > > s
>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > <
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>>
>>> > >
>>> > > 
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error\
>  <https://sites.google.com/site/jedjorgensen/klm367a/images/pcb-bugs-error> >
> >
>>> > > s
>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >Also,
>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > did you calibrate the board following the build as per the
>>> > >
>>> > > service
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> manual?
>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > Jed
>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, kluberrrrr KLBR@ wrote:
>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > Hi everybody,
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > I'm quite desperate here, so I hope someone could help
me a
>>> > >
>>> > > bit
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> especially
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > because I'm not very good in English and I'm not an
electronic
>>> > >
>>> > > guy!
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > A couple of years ago I found a polysix which had the
famous
>>> > >
>>> > > leak
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> battery
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > problem, so impossible to play on it.
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > I tried to repair the KLM 367 but with no success.
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > Then i discovered the Jed's project
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > Today I've just finished to solder all the parts on the
>>> > >
>>> > > KLM-367A
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> clone
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > board.
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > I put the board back on my P6. Then I turned it on.
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > First, the programmer panel seems to work fine, Led
button
>>> > >
>>> > > repond
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> when I
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > push them
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > BUT there is no sound at all. Just some attack sound,
some
>>> > >
>>> > > 'blops'.
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > When I hold a key down, I can hear the note coming very
slowly
>>> > >
>>> > > and
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> fade
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > out. Just like the LEd of the MG panel fading In and Out
very
>>> > >
>>> > > slowly.
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > The Mg frequency, delay and level's knobs don't affect
the
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> modulation. Even
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > if the modulation level is at 0, the sound is fully
modulated
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > So I guess it's the MG section which seems to not work
>>> > >
>>> > > properly. It
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> looks
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > like it is stuck on a very slow frequency and there is
no way
>>> > >
>>> > > to cut
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> the
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > modulation.
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > Also cutoff, resonance, eg int, keyboard track knobs
don't
>>> > >
>>> > > seem to
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> change
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > the sound.
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > When I built the new Jed's PCB, I used from the old
board the
>>> > >
>>> > > mask
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> rom IC,
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > the TC5514APL-3 IC, the two LM13600 ICs and the 2SA798
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > What do you think? Is it possible that one of the Ic is
dead?
>>> > >
>>> > > Or does
>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > >>> it
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > look like the problem is deeper?
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > Please excuse my poor english !
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > Cheers!
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > >
>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > Vincent
>>> > >
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