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Save a Kurzweil K2000R from being shot

Save a Kurzweil K2000R from being shot

2010-11-25 by brofjw

Hi. I've had this Kurzweil K2000R for about a year now and I'm starting to think it's jinxed. It seemed to have a dead internal battery, something I knew when I bought it. I found out later that the battery holder had cracked (as many K2000R's have). While I had the cover open, I also noticed that this unit actually had a hard drive inside but someone had disconnected both the power and the ribbon cable. Until then I had been using floppies and an SCSI cd-drive. I plugged the hard rive in and was thrilled to find it worked perfectly. (Why would someone unplug it if it worked fine?) Anyway sent away to Hong Kong for a generic battery holder and replaced the factory one with it. That also worked perfectly. Here's where the trouble starts:

After ascertaining that the hard drive worked, I also plugged back in my SCSI CD-drive. For some reason the K2000 didn't pick it up. I figured the internal hard drive must have replaced the SCSI drive. So I uplugged the hard drive again and tried to boot the CD-drive. No dice. At this point when I hit "disk", the K2000 only acknowledges the flopy drive and there is no list of either the hard drive or SCSI. What's more, it seems to get stuck on the "disk" menu and refuses all commands thereafter. Does anyone have any idea what is wrong with this thing? I can still play the internal RAM sounds, no problem. But this is the tip of the iceberg for this machines capabilities, in theory. Should shoot this thing and put it out of its misery? Or should I sell it for a measly $100 and move on? Or is there some simple solution I am not seeing? Any help is appreciated. Thanks! :-)

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Save a Kurzweil K2000R from being shot

2010-11-25 by Daniel Forró

Have you set different SCSI address for each of SCSI devices? Maybe  
there's just device address conflict.

Daniel Forro
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On 25 Nov 2010, at 10:57 AM, brofjw wrote:

> Hi. I've had this Kurzweil K2000R for about a year now and I'm  
> starting to think it's jinxed. It seemed to have a dead internal  
> battery, something I knew when I bought it. I found out later that  
> the battery holder had cracked (as many K2000R's have). While I had  
> the cover open, I also noticed that this unit actually had a hard  
> drive inside but someone had disconnected both the power and the  
> ribbon cable. Until then I had been using floppies and an SCSI cd- 
> drive. I plugged the hard rive in and was thrilled to find it  
> worked perfectly. (Why would someone unplug it if it worked fine?)  
> Anyway sent away to Hong Kong for a generic battery holder and  
> replaced the factory one with it. That also worked perfectly.  
> Here's where the trouble starts:
>
> After ascertaining that the hard drive worked, I also plugged back  
> in my SCSI CD-drive. For some reason the K2000 didn't pick it up. I  
> figured the internal hard drive must have replaced the SCSI drive.  
> So I uplugged the hard drive again and tried to boot the CD-drive.  
> No dice. At this point when I hit "disk", the K2000 only  
> acknowledges the flopy drive and there is no list of either the  
> hard drive or SCSI. What's more, it seems to get stuck on the  
> "disk" menu and refuses all commands thereafter. Does anyone have  
> any idea what is wrong with this thing? I can still play the  
> internal RAM sounds, no problem. But this is the tip of the iceberg  
> for this machines capabilities, in theory. Should shoot this thing  
> and put it out of its misery? Or should I sell it for a measly $100  
> and move on? Or is there some simple solution I am not seeing? Any  
> help is appreciated. Thanks! :-)

Re: Save a Kurzweil K2000R from being shot

2010-11-25 by brofjw

Well, no. I did not do that. But that doesn't explain why it freezes up in the disk menu. Once youre in it you apparently can't get out of it. I would assume that you would assign the SCSI and disk preferences as you suggest, from this menu. Or is there another route? I thank for your interest so far, Dan. Maybe this reply helps clarify the problem. I definately get you on the idea of an address conflict, which is why I unplugged the hard drive again. But it still doesn't do anything. I won't even load floppies anymore. This was all apparently a result of unplugging and plugging that hard drive in again. So maybe the previous owner did have a reason. 

--- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Forró <dan.for@...> wrote:
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>
> Have you set different SCSI address for each of SCSI devices? Maybe  
> there's just device address conflict.
> 
> Daniel Forro
> 
> On 25 Nov 2010, at 10:57 AM, brofjw wrote:
> 
> > Hi. I've had this Kurzweil K2000R for about a year now and I'm  
> > starting to think it's jinxed. It seemed to have a dead internal  
> > battery, something I knew when I bought it. I found out later that  
> > the battery holder had cracked (as many K2000R's have). While I had  
> > the cover open, I also noticed that this unit actually had a hard  
> > drive inside but someone had disconnected both the power and the  
> > ribbon cable. Until then I had been using floppies and an SCSI cd- 
> > drive. I plugged the hard rive in and was thrilled to find it  
> > worked perfectly. (Why would someone unplug it if it worked fine?)  
> > Anyway sent away to Hong Kong for a generic battery holder and  
> > replaced the factory one with it. That also worked perfectly.  
> > Here's where the trouble starts:
> >
> > After ascertaining that the hard drive worked, I also plugged back  
> > in my SCSI CD-drive. For some reason the K2000 didn't pick it up. I  
> > figured the internal hard drive must have replaced the SCSI drive.  
> > So I uplugged the hard drive again and tried to boot the CD-drive.  
> > No dice. At this point when I hit "disk", the K2000 only  
> > acknowledges the flopy drive and there is no list of either the  
> > hard drive or SCSI. What's more, it seems to get stuck on the  
> > "disk" menu and refuses all commands thereafter. Does anyone have  
> > any idea what is wrong with this thing? I can still play the  
> > internal RAM sounds, no problem. But this is the tip of the iceberg  
> > for this machines capabilities, in theory. Should shoot this thing  
> > and put it out of its misery? Or should I sell it for a measly $100  
> > and move on? Or is there some simple solution I am not seeing? Any  
> > help is appreciated. Thanks! :-)
>

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Save a Kurzweil K2000R from being shot

2010-11-25 by Daniel Forró

Unfortunately I can't help you more with this as I don't have this  
instrument or any experience with it. Maybe you can try to ask  
Kurzweil yahoo groups, or some forum... I'm sure there's a lot of  
users of this successful instrument.

If there's no software setting for SCSI device number, it should be  
possible to set with selector directly on the device. Try to change  
ID on the external CD-ROM, and then different number than actual one  
on the internal HD (here probably with jumpers). But I just guess,  
problem can be anywhere...

Good luck.

Daniel Forro
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On 25 Nov 2010, at 3:02 PM, brofjw wrote:

> Well, no. I did not do that. But that doesn't explain why it  
> freezes up in the disk menu. Once youre in it you apparently can't  
> get out of it. I would assume that you would assign the SCSI and  
> disk preferences as you suggest, from this menu. Or is there  
> another route? I thank for your interest so far, Dan. Maybe this  
> reply helps clarify the problem. I definately get you on the idea  
> of an address conflict, which is why I unplugged the hard drive  
> again. But it still doesn't do anything. I won't even load floppies  
> anymore. This was all apparently a result of unplugging and  
> plugging that hard drive in again. So maybe the previous owner did  
> have a reason.
>
> --- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Forró  
> <dan.for@...> wrote:
>>
>> Have you set different SCSI address for each of SCSI devices? Maybe
>> there's just device address conflict.
>>
>> Daniel Forro
>>
>> On 25 Nov 2010, at 10:57 AM, brofjw wrote:
>>
>>> Hi. I've had this Kurzweil K2000R for about a year now and I'm
>>> starting to think it's jinxed. It seemed to have a dead internal
>>> battery, something I knew when I bought it. I found out later that
>>> the battery holder had cracked (as many K2000R's have). While I had
>>> the cover open, I also noticed that this unit actually had a hard
>>> drive inside but someone had disconnected both the power and the
>>> ribbon cable. Until then I had been using floppies and an SCSI cd-
>>> drive. I plugged the hard rive in and was thrilled to find it
>>> worked perfectly. (Why would someone unplug it if it worked fine?)
>>> Anyway sent away to Hong Kong for a generic battery holder and
>>> replaced the factory one with it. That also worked perfectly.
>>> Here's where the trouble starts:
>>>
>>> After ascertaining that the hard drive worked, I also plugged back
>>> in my SCSI CD-drive. For some reason the K2000 didn't pick it up. I
>>> figured the internal hard drive must have replaced the SCSI drive.
>>> So I uplugged the hard drive again and tried to boot the CD-drive.
>>> No dice. At this point when I hit "disk", the K2000 only
>>> acknowledges the flopy drive and there is no list of either the
>>> hard drive or SCSI. What's more, it seems to get stuck on the
>>> "disk" menu and refuses all commands thereafter. Does anyone have
>>> any idea what is wrong with this thing? I can still play the
>>> internal RAM sounds, no problem. But this is the tip of the iceberg
>>> for this machines capabilities, in theory. Should shoot this thing
>>> and put it out of its misery? Or should I sell it for a measly $100
>>> and move on? Or is there some simple solution I am not seeing? Any
>>> help is appreciated. Thanks! :-)
>>
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Re: Save a Kurzweil K2000R from being shot

2010-11-25 by nervejam

Hi Brofjw,

I'm not familiar with this machine, but I AM painfully familiar with the quirks of SCSI, from an IT point of view. SCSI Hard drives (HD) in your Kurzweil will actually be the same as the ones in computers, and the controllers will be the same as well.
I used large SCSI RAID arrays on huge servers for years. Mostly, it all goes fine until either a power-off, or a replacement disk.
It's usually down to clashing SCSI IDs. If you can set the SCSI IDs via hardware (usually DIP switches), DO IT. The software will usually defer to the hardware settings. (but not always)
I've had machines lock-up due to some numpty slotting in a new HD without changing the ID. 
It may be that your Ids were set by the software, and all was going well until you plugged-in that HD, with a clashing ID, which over-rode the software settings, and the software is now confused. You probably need to change the ID on the suspect HD (DIP switch?), and then somehow reset the software to read the IDs again.

Computers with SCSI tend to have a SCSI BIOS, stored in CMOS memory. It's possible that this has been corrupted, and needs refreshing ("flashing"). Go only knows how you's flash the SCSI BIOS on a Kurzweil..

SCSI - It's a minefield.

Best of luck! 
 
** Try setting the IDS via the dipswitches before you mess with anything else! **

Re: Save a Kurzweil K2000R from being shot

2010-11-25 by brofjw

Hey everybody, thanks very much for all the replies. It gives me some hope! So the concensus is that it's an SCSI ID problem. I must say that the CD drive does have such a selector switch. It was on "3" when I got it. I put it on 3 again (before even consulting with you guys) which didn't seem to have an effect. I haven't looked at the HD yet, but I will look for a similar switch there. I will also see if it's possible to flash a Kurzweil! Thanks a bunch.

Fred

--- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, "nervejam" <paul.rak@...> wrote:
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> Hi Brofjw,
> 
> I'm not familiar with this machine, but I AM painfully familiar with the quirks of SCSI, from an IT point of view. SCSI Hard drives (HD) in your Kurzweil will actually be the same as the ones in computers, and the controllers will be the same as well.
> I used large SCSI RAID arrays on huge servers for years. Mostly, it all goes fine until either a power-off, or a replacement disk.
> It's usually down to clashing SCSI IDs. If you can set the SCSI IDs via hardware (usually DIP switches), DO IT. The software will usually defer to the hardware settings. (but not always)
> I've had machines lock-up due to some numpty slotting in a new HD without changing the ID. 
> It may be that your Ids were set by the software, and all was going well until you plugged-in that HD, with a clashing ID, which over-rode the software settings, and the software is now confused. You probably need to change the ID on the suspect HD (DIP switch?), and then somehow reset the software to read the IDs again.
> 
> Computers with SCSI tend to have a SCSI BIOS, stored in CMOS memory. It's possible that this has been corrupted, and needs refreshing ("flashing"). Go only knows how you's flash the SCSI BIOS on a Kurzweil..
> 
> SCSI - It's a minefield.
> 
> Best of luck! 
>  
> ** Try setting the IDS via the dipswitches before you mess with anything else! **
>

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Save a Kurzweil K2000R from being shot

2010-11-26 by Arto Koivisto

> I put it on 3 again (before even consulting with you guys) which didn't seem to have an effect.

Don't forget to test enabling/disabling SCSI termination. Theoretically 
(up to SCSI spec), the first and last units in the chain should (afaik) 
be terminated to dampen signals from "echoing" back and forth in the chain.

The first unit in the chain is the controller and this is usually 
auto-terminated, but you should verify if there's anything mentioned 
about this in the Kurzweil manual. As for the last unit in the chain, 
internal drives have a termination jumper whereas external drives 
usually require a separate terminator plug (some might even have a 
jumper/DIP-switch).

Then again, based on my own experiences, SCSI termination seems a bit of 
a black art. I've spent countless hours fiddling with Akai samplers and 
various SCSI units; sometimes the chain has worked when terminated and 
sometimes the termination has just somehow "disabled" it. Heck, 
sometimes the chain has even worked when termination has been enabled 
somewhere in the middle of the chain :)

Anyway, one to check for. Setting different IDs for the units in the 
SCSI chain is nevertheless the most important bit!

.Arto.
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Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Save a Kurzweil K2000R from being shot

2010-11-26 by Daniel Forró

It can be something different but you should start with SCSI.

Right now somebody described similar problems with randoms resets on  
Kurzweil List, people recommended to check power supply, especially  
capacitors (big one 22000 uF in 5 V PS). And they mentioned  
possibility of corrupted OS program in PRAM. But I really don't know  
anything about it, if it's necessary to change OS chips or if OS can  
be upgraded just by loading to FlashROM. Probably such old machine  
has OS in EPROM's.

You can join this group and ask there, it's more specifically focused  
on Kurzweil gear:

KurzList@yahoogroups.com

Daniel Forro
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On 26 Nov 2010, at 12:18 AM, brofjw wrote:

> Hey everybody, thanks very much for all the replies. It gives me  
> some hope! So the concensus is that it's an SCSI ID problem. I must  
> say that the CD drive does have such a selector switch. It was on  
> "3" when I got it. I put it on 3 again (before even consulting with  
> you guys) which didn't seem to have an effect. I haven't looked at  
> the HD yet, but I will look for a similar switch there. I will also  
> see if it's possible to flash a Kurzweil! Thanks a bunch.
>
> Fred

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Save a Kurzweil K2000R from being shot

2010-11-26 by Daniel Forró

I downloaded and studied little bit Owner's manual, and OS is in  
Flash ROM. So problem can be also there, it can be corrupted. Do you  
have original floppy disk with OS? Try to reload it.

Daniel Forro
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On 26 Nov 2010, at 12:18 AM, brofjw wrote:

> Hey everybody, thanks very much for all the replies. It gives me  
> some hope! So the concensus is that it's an SCSI ID problem. I must  
> say that the CD drive does have such a selector switch. It was on  
> "3" when I got it. I put it on 3 again (before even consulting with  
> you guys) which didn't seem to have an effect. I haven't looked at  
> the HD yet, but I will look for a similar switch there. I will also  
> see if it's possible to flash a Kurzweil! Thanks a bunch.
>
> Fred

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Save a Kurzweil K2000R from being shot

2010-11-26 by Daniel Forró

Try this:

http://www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com/Product.php? 
product=148&tab=downloads

There's also an explanation, and it reads OS is in EPROM, and upgrade  
must be done by Authorized Service Centre, and will be charged...

Daniel Forro
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On 26 Nov 2010, at 12:18 AM, brofjw wrote:

> Hey everybody, thanks very much for all the replies. It gives me  
> some hope! So the concensus is that it's an SCSI ID problem. I must  
> say that the CD drive does have such a selector switch. It was on  
> "3" when I got it. I put it on 3 again (before even consulting with  
> you guys) which didn't seem to have an effect. I haven't looked at  
> the HD yet, but I will look for a similar switch there. I will also  
> see if it's possible to flash a Kurzweil! Thanks a bunch.
>
> Fred

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Save a Kurzweil K2000R from being shot

2010-11-26 by Daniel Forró

And here some advice:

http://www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com/KnowledgeBase.php?product=148

Daniel Forro
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On 26 Nov 2010, at 12:18 AM, brofjw wrote:

> Hey everybody, thanks very much for all the replies. It gives me  
> some hope! So the concensus is that it's an SCSI ID problem. I must  
> say that the CD drive does have such a selector switch. It was on  
> "3" when I got it. I put it on 3 again (before even consulting with  
> you guys) which didn't seem to have an effect. I haven't looked at  
> the HD yet, but I will look for a similar switch there. I will also  
> see if it's possible to flash a Kurzweil! Thanks a bunch.
>
> Fred

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Re: Save a Kurzweil K2000R from being shot

2010-11-29 by John Karns

On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 9:18 AM, brofjw <brofjw@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey everybody, thanks very much for all the replies. It gives me some hope! So the concensus is that it's an SCSI ID problem. I must say that the CD drive does have such a selector switch. It was on "3" when I got it. I put it on 3 again (before even consulting with you guys) which didn't seem to have an effect. I haven't looked at the HD yet, but I will look for a similar switch there. I will also see if it's possible to flash a Kurzweil! Thanks a bunch.

=========

You should exercise caution when connecting & disconnecting SCSI
cables.  Power should be OFF.

SCSI is sensitive to cable length - the shorter the better.

Your current problem with no SCSI device recognition even with just
one device connected doesn't sound like an ID issue.

Also, any ID change on any device will not take effect until after
rebooting, in case you weren't aware.

--
John

Roland JD800 ribbon key contact strips

2010-11-30 by Daniel Forró

Does somebody here have ribbon contact strips for Roland JD800 for  
selling? I just have cleaned keyboard from that red glue problem and  
want to change contact strips. I would like to buy two or three sets  
(8 to 12 strips for 12 keys, 2 to 3 for 13 keys).

Vintage.nl sold them recently, and Roland headquarters in Japan  
refused to sell me directly due some stupid Japanese law (I'm in Japan).

I will be grateful for any help or hint.

Thank in advance.

Daniel Forro

Yamaha VL1 display

2010-11-30 by Daniel Forró

I'd like to buy new display board for VL1m. It is Optrex b/w CFL  
display DMF50316NF-FW-1, 240x64 dots, or substitution DMF-50316NF-FW- 
APN. Could somebody help with this?

Thanks in advance.

Daniel Forro

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