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RE: [wiardgroup] Re: the Real Wiard system package

2006-10-01 by Tim J

Yes but....

Its a silly, strange, fetish market (modular synths).  While they are 
entirely modular any any system can be used with any other no matter the 
difference... people still like to purchase a 'system' from a manufacturer.  
Its true in the frac system wiard, blacet, pai and motm can make a complete 
system, a very complete weird and wonderful system but...people from my 
observations are more likely to stick with one maker rather have a mixed 
system or they also frequently have different systems which they dont mix.  
I'm not trying to justify this trend (I currently have serge, plan b, 
doepfer, technosaurus, and some others all working together) but have found 
it to be true.

Tim


>From: "Grant Richter" <grichter@asapnet.net>
>Reply-To: wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com
>To: wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [wiardgroup] Re: the Real Wiard system package
>Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:41:17 -0000
>
>Following the same logic, what if everyone refused to listen to anyones 
>music except their
>LAST composition or recording?
>
>That attitude would certainly dampen the enthusiasm of all musicians and 
>composers.
>
>--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Richter" <grichter@...> wrote:
> >
> > That attitude absolutely garantees it will never happen.
> >
> > Without ongoing module sales, there is no way to fund development.
> >
> > --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, amnesia <amni56@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Grant
> > >
> > > The day you have a full 1200 system is the day you have my order, I 
>dont
> > > currently have any frac units, just serge and euro.
> > > I cant wait for that day :-)
> > >
> > > Ross
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Grant Richter wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The goal of the 300 series was a cross between an ARP 2600 and a 
>Music
> > > > Easel.
> > > >
> > > > The goal of the 1200 series is a cross between a Synthi and a Music 
>Easel.
> > > >
> > > > It is very Joystick centric because of the Synthi heritage and 
>because
> > > > Joystick synths are
> > > > kinda rare. It is also designed so that the whole assemblage of
> > > > modules will fit inside a
> > > > suitcase type case which sits horizontaly.
> > > >
> > > > The Noise Ring is the noise source which is combined with a complex
> > > > oscillator for pitched
> > > > events.
> > > >
> > > > I am working on a new complex oscillator design. It shows promise. 
>It
> > > > will have unique
> > > > features never before offered in a VCO.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to do an "Envelooper" which would generate multiple
> > > > simultaneous 1024 point
> > > > envelopes (256 points each for A, D, S, and R with individual 
>segment
> > > > rate control). One
> > > > output will be calibrated for 1 volt per octave pitch control. The
> > > > Wave256 software would
> > > > be used to store sequences and envelope shapes in EPROM.
> > > >
> > > > Not the same as a sequencer but the end result IS sequences.
> > > >
> > > > This would allow you to store pitch sequence, timbre sequence and
> > > > spectral envelopes
> > > > (lopass gate control) together. That way, you just trigger an 
>envelope
> > > > and it plays an entire
> > > > musical "gesture" with pitch, timbre and mutiple envelope events for
> > > > individually
> > > > articulated notes inside the overall gesture. These gestures could
> > > > last for minutes or
> > > > milliseconds depending on segment rate settings.
> > > >
> > > > --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > > <mailto:wiardgroup%40yahoogroups.com>, amnesia <amni56@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I cant see you have VCOs Sequencer etc of the 300 series. Will 
>this
> > > > ever
> > > > > be the case?
> > > > >
> > > > > Grant Richter wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The 1200 series modules are quite affordable and in some ways an
> > > > > > improvement on the
> > > > > > 300 series.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > > <mailto:wiardgroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:wiardgroup%40yahoogroups.com>, amnesia <amni56@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That is sad as I will never be able to enjoy / afford such art 
>:-(
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I could swap you some oil for a system :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Grant Richter wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The price increase has to do with the crazy state of the 
>whole
> > > > > > music
> > > > > > > > electronics industry
> > > > > > > > and not any personal or corporate greed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I should clarify: Not MY greed. I am not a greedy person. 
>You
> > > > DO NOT
> > > > > > > > make musical
> > > > > > > > instruments if you are greedy. If you are greedy, you get in
> > > > the oil
> > > > > > > > business.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To illustrate: When I was still selling modules new for
> > > > $479.00, two
> > > > > > > > businesses spang up
> > > > > > > > which would buy modules from me at the low price and 
>immediately
> > > > > > > > resell them for $750.00
> > > > > > > > the day they were received.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is basic business logic that if you can purchase 
>something
> > > > > > directly
> > > > > > > > from the manufacturer
> > > > > > > > or hand-crafter and immediately turn around and resell it 
>for
> > > > a $300
> > > > > > > > profit, then the item is
> > > > > > > > under-priced to begin with.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So much for my well meaning but naive attempt to keep prices
> > > > > > > > reasonable for the "real"
> > > > > > > > musicians and enthusiasts.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is other peoples greed that drove the prices up insanely
> > > > fast, not
> > > > > > > > mine.
> > > > > > > >
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