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The impression I had was that the envelooper was a quad envelope
generator, with multi-stage slopes programmable via the
waveform-programming software used for the waveform city wave rom
chip, and that there were controls to offset the lengths of the
stage(s) on the front panel?  That's about all I've gleaned...

I'd be interested to hear more about it, maybe a solution to whatever
problem you're getting with applying it to "normal" music could be
brainstormed.

One of the things I've found the Wiard instrument most fun for is
pulling some kind of musical form out of the particlar kind of
randomness it generates, almost like you're collaborating with the
instrument, so of course your description makjes it sound even more
intriguing.  There's a space waiting in my rack whenever you feel it's
ready (likewise the wave terrain VCO) of course.

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Grant Richter <grichter@asapnet.net> wrote:
> I have a working Envelooper module with software.
>
> It is quite fascinating from an engineering perspective.
>
> I have been working for a year or so to try and find if it can do anything
> musical.
>
> It can in the sense of Subotnick's "player piano" technique (4 Butterflys).
> It excels at "bug"
> music, but I have yet to find a way to make it relevant to the tradition of
> western music.
>
> I do keep trying and experimenting. I have man-years invested in
> development, I can not
> simply "forget about it", but it would tank in the market as it is today.
> Fall like a rock,
> submarine anchor, you get the idea.
>
> --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, frank death <maldoroar@...> wrote:
>>
>> I can only conceptualize the Envelooper, as i havent seen a mock-up front
>> panel for it.
> Im just really curious about its history, its applications, and also of
> course, its possible
> availability. I wonder if its vaguely related to other gestural synthesis
> technology that you
> see in stuff used by Stellarc, for example.
>> So my conceptual understanding of it may be wrong, i dont know. Its
>> interesting that
> many software synthesizers have multi-point envelopes, and these enable the
> user to
> program very weird, very musical & evolving patches. So imagine having say
> 10 or more
> multi-point (ie. not just an ADSR) envelope outputs that would allow you to
> shape 10 or
> more parameters (eg. oscillator frequency) in the synthesizer... But im also
> wondering if
> you could use a sequencer to achieve this?
>> Perhaps the Envelooper sits at the realm of digital functionality where it
>> serves only to
> bring real-time control to otherwise common digital synthesis functions. But
> again, in an
> analog environment (say, as part of a full 300 system), the Envelooper
> (conceptually)
> sounds like it would be very exciting.
>> -Matt
>>
>> Dennis Verschoor wrote:
>> > Yeah i am still kinda excited about the envelooper. But i am afraid that
>> > due the
> lack of interest it will never be released. Cheers, Dennis On Sat, Jul 5,
> 2008 at 11:51 AM,
> frank death < maldoroar@yahoo. com > wrote:
>> > Hello All
>> > im not sure if this is the best way to raise this subject & its kind of
>> > directed to
> everyone & if Grant wants to let us know whats being dreamed up then that
> would be
> great.
>> > Ive been reading up about the Wiard Envelooper & im wondering if that
>> > module is
> still going to happen? On paper it sounds like a fantastic idea & if i
> understand it correctly
> it would allow the user to draw in multi-staged/ multi-looping envelopes
> that with the
> push of a button trigger the envelope shapes to wherever they have been
> assigned in the
> synthesizer. I wonder also exactly how one draws in an envelope? Does it
> mean that you
> use the Wave256 software (as you would with the Waveform City)?
>> > Grant also mentions gestural synthesis which reminds me of how a
>> > conductor directs
> individual musicians within an orchestra & the sum of instruments play the
> music. To me
> the idea of the Envelooper & gestural synthesis modules (in theory) bring
> the modular
> synthesizer under greater control of the user & the greater the control &
> the more refined
> the instrument- the greater its musical functionality. Of couse everyones
> idea of what
> music is varies a lot however the potential for modules with gestural
> functions sounds
> extremely interesting to me (and im sure many others too!).
>> > In fact something like an oscillator with gestural functions would also
>> > be very
> interesting. One starts to think of all kinds of inputs & outputs
> communicating with each
> other all at the touch of a button. Only problem is that at some point it
> begins to resemble
> sampling and many modern keyboard instruments do have buttons that provide
> multi-
> functions. However theres a massive distinction between a digital
> synthesizer & a 300
> series module with its functionality!
>> > Also last year Grant invited ideas & discussion for potential functions
>> > for future
> modules and im wondering if people are still thinking about it? Id love to
> see a module
> with 2 to 4 different recording/looping ICs that the user could cross-mix
> audio to create
> multi-loops all under the ability to shift eachs frequency & duration. I
> actually want to
> experiment on this idea myself. But yeah- id like to see a Wiard
> Delay/Looper/ Frequency
> Shifter for sure.
>> > Anyway- just wanted to keep things ticking over & would like to hear any
>> > thoughts.
> Cheers
>> > -Matt
>> > -- Music at: http://robotdj. net/?dj=mono- poly http://www.twango.
>> > com/channel/
> mono-poly. public
>> > http://www.myspace. com/zond3 http://www.myspace. com/bomono
>> >
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