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2006-09-10 by HDibrell@aol.com

In a message dated 9/10/2006 12:56:34 P.M. Central Standard Time, drmabuce@yahoo.com writes:
CUSTOMERS are eager participants in the tango-macarbre of
specsmanship. They are just as culpable for the hysteria as the
manufacturers who feed them this malarky. Psychoacoustic research ***
shows that the amount of mucus in the listeners ear canal at the time
of perception makes a much larger impact on perceived spectrum than
any change that can be made in the transmitting hardware.
It's so true. After the stereo business, I went to work for a music instrument retailer. Although I was not in sales per se in either , it was amazing to see what the customer wanted. This was fed for the most part by advertising and whatever performing idol they worshipped. If you tried to carry something different, it died a cruel death. I remember in particular the Kawai K5000 and Yamaha FS1R. They were just too different to be appealing to the mainstream. I finally quit taking publications like Electronic Musician, Keyboard, etc., because I found myself falling into that trap of "If I only had this piece of gear, I could make some real music!" That is one of the things I enjoy about the modular "community" . It seems to be populated more with people trying to tailor an instrument that fits what they do ,rather than what they are told they should have. I know that's not totally true , there is some hype, just not as much and as intense. At least that's the way it appears to me. Harry D

Re: this reply performs at all published specifications

2006-09-11 by drmabuce

Hi Harry
--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, HDibrell@... wrote:
> I finally quit taking publications like Electronic Musician,  Keyboard, 
> etc., because I found myself falling into that trap of "If I only
had  this piece 
> of gear, I could make some real music!" 

me too, i can relate. i used to live for the day when the new reviews
arrived. now... i find barely anything of interest much less of
excitement when i do see the harcopy mags. This , in large part is
certainly because i am now an old fart. My rig is 'sufficient' and i
have become very jaded, but i just see very little out there other
than the 45,623rd iteration of the same tired modeling formula. ho
hum. The articles that i look forward to now are in the mode of
'Classic Tracks' in Mix. Stories of how music got (or sometimes
'didn't' get) recorded.


> That is one of the things I  enjoy 
> about the modular "community" . It seems to be populated more with
people  
> trying to tailor an instrument that fits what they do ,rather than
what they are  
> told they should have. 

what an interesting point!
while it's true that , out here on 'Analog Boutique Street' we all
hiss and squabble about the tiresome minutiae of our preferences. But
at least we're not all obsessing about the rev level of the same
ol'Triton patches. 
   You're right! analog modulars impose a degree of individuality
simply by virtue of their intrinsic resistance to exact repeatability.
Plus, now in the '2nd Golden Age', mix n' matched rigs are easier than
ever to assemble and this affords enormous opportunity for
individuality and customization. (please note how i suppressed the
urge to plug DIY.....er.....oops!). The post DX7 digitals that
dominate the pages of the mainstream synth press impose  a uniformity
that is very insidious. It shows up in the music. (Another plug for
Mix...) The late , much lamented, Stephen St. Croix wrote eloquently
about this in his erstwhile "Fast Lane" column 

>I know that's not totally true , there is some hype,

...anywhere there's even a LITTLE money to be made (surprisingly little!)
 
> just  not as much and as intense. 

true , true ... and this a mercy to us all, your point reminds me that
i should count my blessings* now and again  ....
thanks!

-doc


* let's see...wogglebugs, mixolator, envelator, noise ring, JAG,
miniwave....

Re: this reply performs at all published specifications

2006-09-13 by Gary Chang

Interesting incites into why we are so bored with the media converage
of our sport....  Back in the day, it was about spotlighting all of
the "Unobtainium" around - reviewing the melotron, Moog 3 or other
expensive gems that we couldn't afford.  Kinda like looking at a car
mag with the latest Ferrari.  Nowadays, Keyboard Mag is featuring the
latest Pinto in all of its glory...  Where is the review of the Genoqs
Sequencer or the 'Ebbe und Flut?'



--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "drmabuce" <drmabuce@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Harry
> --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, HDibrell@ wrote:
> > I finally quit taking publications like Electronic Musician, 
Keyboard, 
> > etc., because I found myself falling into that trap of "If I only
> had  this piece 
> > of gear, I could make some real music!" 
> 
> me too, i can relate. i used to live for the day when the new reviews
> arrived. now... i find barely anything of interest much less of
> excitement when i do see the harcopy mags. This , in large part is
> certainly because i am now an old fart. My rig is 'sufficient' and i
> have become very jaded, but i just see very little out there other
> than the 45,623rd iteration of the same tired modeling formula. ho
> hum. The articles that i look forward to now are in the mode of
> 'Classic Tracks' in Mix. Stories of how music got (or sometimes
> 'didn't' get) recorded.
> 
> 
> > That is one of the things I  enjoy 
> > about the modular "community" . It seems to be populated more with
> people  
> > trying to tailor an instrument that fits what they do ,rather than
> what they are  
> > told they should have. 
> 
> what an interesting point!
> while it's true that , out here on 'Analog Boutique Street' we all
> hiss and squabble about the tiresome minutiae of our preferences. But
> at least we're not all obsessing about the rev level of the same
> ol'Triton patches. 
>    You're right! analog modulars impose a degree of individuality
> simply by virtue of their intrinsic resistance to exact repeatability.
> Plus, now in the '2nd Golden Age', mix n' matched rigs are easier than
> ever to assemble and this affords enormous opportunity for
> individuality and customization. (please note how i suppressed the
> urge to plug DIY.....er.....oops!). The post DX7 digitals that
> dominate the pages of the mainstream synth press impose  a uniformity
> that is very insidious. It shows up in the music. (Another plug for
> Mix...) The late , much lamented, Stephen St. Croix wrote eloquently
> about this in his erstwhile "Fast Lane" column 
> 
> >I know that's not totally true , there is some hype,
> 
> ...anywhere there's even a LITTLE money to be made (surprisingly
little!)
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>  
> > just  not as much and as intense. 
> 
> true , true ... and this a mercy to us all, your point reminds me that
> i should count my blessings* now and again  ....
> thanks!
> 
> -doc
> 
> 
> * let's see...wogglebugs, mixolator, envelator, noise ring, JAG,
> miniwave....
>

The reviews rant (was Re: this reply performs at all published specifications

2006-09-13 by drmabuce

Goodness!
Harry seems to have set a ball to rolling here…
Re: Kbd Mags as the `Unobtanium Review'…. Brilliant! It is certainly
true that i no longer risk sticking the pages together in my lust for
that which i shall never have, luridly depicted in the synthporn media. 
(chuckle… i found all those synths, broken and abandoned by their
former owners on my front porch 15 years later, with a signs taped to
them "Free, if want this old crap, Doc"!) 
Anyway…i always tell the joke that when i was 15 i could carry 10
times as much gear as i could afford now the ratio is inverted! Could
it be that the fact my salad days are behind me and i could actually
go buy ** a mega-Triton or a Neuron neutralizes their appeal? Thus ,
the `Unobtanium Review ` has lost its savor because i, the former kid
at the candy store window can now afford the tariff to go inside…..no
more Unobtanium???

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…methinks there's more to it than that.

It appears to me (unwashed outsider that i am) that the corporate
factories have realized that there's less gold in the hills of
unobtanium than in the swamps of cut and paste software `production'.

2 observations about the commercial synths nowadays:

Like the whole rest of the business world, the corporate synth
factories are thoroughly committed to the Wal-Mart business model.
When your customer base is desperate to own STUFF and lots of it ,
drain the quality (read: cost) content down to the barest minimum so
that you can drop the price to a level where lots of them will try to
buy on in every color. Mind you i'm recognizing that this is a VERY
effective model for making money and that's what the surviving synth
companies DO. There are , of course, always a tiny percentage of
exceptions but by and large, they're all Roland now.

There's a Microsoft model at work out there too. When you create and
release model "B" . Cut and paste as much of model "A" as possible and
stick it under the hood but completely overhaul the outside. Sell
barely distinguished versions of the same thing over and over as much
as possible. Check under the hood of those appalling softsynths behind
the holographic replicas of Moog modulars or 2600's on the screen. How
many sawtooth routines do you think they paid to develop? 

i used to envy the folks at the mags. The freshly minted proto's would
roll-in for review; stuff that no one outside the factory had seen
before. Now…  i can just see them hogging their web bandwidth on
thesaurus.com looking for adjectives that they haven't had to use in
the last 6 issues, to describe the gadgets in an endless parade of
nearly identical offerings.
It's easy for us  readers to lose interest , ho hum, and wander off to
the analog tent where , at least, the anodized aluminum is aluminum
and not a chimera of pixels….but those poor writers and editors HAVE
to write SOMETHING about this homogenous wad of microcode ….or they
get fired!

Becker and Fagen are in my headphones; "Hey Nineteen!". 
 I'm just too old , scarred, and jaded to attend to the hype anymore.
 And so…the mags aren't writing for me anymore. No surprise there! 
To be fair there's lots of marvelous stuff too , mostly recording
gear, sci-fi-level capability, in my spare-bedroom studio compared
with what i even dreamed possible , much less affordable, when i was
saving up for my first 2600.

But as for synths…
I remember what i wanted in 1970 & in 1980 and how badly i wanted it.
Now it's here! The old Chinese curse proved true. What proved most
dangerous to me was getting what i wished for. Remember that… all you
20-yr olds drooling over autotune, arturia and autocorrection plug-ins.

-doc
 

**(not without a significant degree of perhaps imprudent sacrifice…
but still POSSIBLE)

The reviews rant (was Re: this reply performs at all published specifications

2006-09-13 by Robair, Gino

Hi Gary and fellow Wiardos,
Let me put on my editor’s hat for a moment and give you a US magazine’s take on this:
It’s difficult scheduling reviews of boutique items from overseas, such as the Ebbe und Flut and GenoQs: they’re handmade (obviously) and the companies can barely make enough to fill their orders, let alone loan a handful to the various gear mags that would be appropriate (EM, Keyboard, Keys, SOS, TapeOp, etc). Sending them for review takes the unit out of the retail stream (unless the reviewer buys it, which I think many manufacturers hope fo). Also, there are shipping costs involved, the possibility that the unit will arrive damaged, etc. (BTW, this is also the case for many US modular makers...)

And if you want to read a “useful” review of the product, which tells you in great detail about how the unit works, that takes time. Time that the unit isn’t generating profit for the manufacturer and distributor. (Hey, the brave souls making this stuff have to eat....)

So, the review is partially up to the manufacturer, who must decide if it makes sense to set aside a small portion of their stock. I’ve been told many a time by boutique companies (synths, mics, preamps, etc) that they fear getting a review and being overwhelmed with orders (when, without the publicity, they are already working at capacity).

Also, remember that the review may not be completely positive: that’s also been a reason why some companies don’t send gear (again, I’ve been told this by a couple of manufacturers over the years: they don’t want to risk bad publicity, especially if the reviewer “doesn’t get it”, as they themselves see it).

On the other hand, although there is an analog synth renaissance, with a growing number of folks cranking out interesting gear, there is an exponentially larger quantity of new items from larger manufacturers — both software and hardware — which are easier to grok, far less expensive, and, consequently, selling like crazy (although it is stuff that people on this list seem to have no use for). But that means someone is buying them, and that is the audience that the magazines have to cater to in order to survive. Simple.

Also, the range of topics that have to be covered by the magazines is enormous compared to when magazines such as Polyphony were around. Not only do we have mics, preamps, compressors, and synth modules on the market, but we have keyboard controllers, audio interfaces, sequencers, software synths, plug-in effects, synthesizer workstations, hard-disk multitrack recorders, hardware DSP accelerators.... The list is enormous. So, magazines have a wider range of products to talk about within a limited page count then they did in, say, 1984, and they have to tell their readers about all of it, including stuff that is irrelevant to this list. I know the editors at many of these mags think of their job as educating their readers about what’s on the market (e.g., warning them of stuff that isn’t up to snuff, or sharing their enthusiasm about gear that is exceptional). They’re trying their best to be thorough, but it takes time...

(For brevity, I’ll leave out the fact that the magazines also include interviews -- such as ours with Wiard power user Gary Chang -- tutorials, master classes, gear roundups, etc.)

Personally, I enjoy the fact that my job allows me to get the word about the kinds of products people on this list care about: great sounding analog audio products. And reviews of products relevant to this list are forthcoming (at least in EM)...but be patient.

But we also have to cover other products as well, because they share the musical instrument space, and more people want them than analog modular synths (for reasons of price, convenience, conceptual understanding, etc). It’s reflected in the music biz in general, where the simpler the music is, the more popular it becomes. (Of course, as you and I know, once a musician experiences the joys of modular synthesis first hand, there’s no going back...)

It would be great if there was a magazine (online or treeware) that specialized in modular analog synthesizers, dedicated filters, DIY mods, etc. But then again, we have of these nifty lists and Yahoo groups where people can share ideas and info for free.

Okay, /rant. Back to being a musician who enjoys his analog modules...
ginorobair




On 9/13/06 10:41 AM, "Gary Chang" scribbled:
Show quoted textHide quoted text

Interesting incites into why we are so bored with the media converage
of our sport.... Back in the day, it was about spotlighting all of
the "Unobtainium" around - reviewing the melotron, Moog 3 or other
expensive gems that we couldn't afford. Kinda like looking at a car
mag with the latest Ferrari. Nowadays, Keyboard Mag is featuring the
latest Pinto in all of its glory... Where is the review of the Genoqs
Sequencer or the 'Ebbe und Flut?'




.



Re: [wiardgroup] The reviews rant (was Re: this reply performs at all published specifications

2006-09-13 by Dave Bradley

Sounds to me like your market has segmented sufficiently that you could better cater to your users by offering several mags:

"Manly Hardware Electronic Musician"
"Soft Electronic Musician"
and
"Girly Man Electronic ROMpler Button Pusher"

;>)

Moe

On 9/13/06, Robair, Gino < grobair@prismb2b.com> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
Hi Gary and fellow Wiardos,
Let me put on my editor's hat for a moment and give you a US magazine's take on this:

The reviews rant (was Re: this reply performs at all published specifications

2006-09-13 by Gary Chang

Gino,

I realize that the Ferrari-Pinto analogy was a bit catty - sorry about
that.  I think that the ghost of Konkuro came by last night when I
wrote my comment!

I can't argue with your reply - you have a quality publication that
covers a much larger domain than the typical 1984 magazine covering
the same topic.  As you mentioned in your note about my article in EM,
I have personally experienced your efforts to include our miniscule
interest group's agenda in Electronic Musician's scope, which is
commendable.  

But I don't think that my comment is a critcism of the magazine
business - the magazine business reflects the change in paradigm in
business in general.  

You list plenty of good reasons why the larger manufacturers get a lot
of attention and why the boutiques get less.  You also state the fact
that we 'Analogese' comprise a relatively tiny fraction of the EM
reading audience - to which we appreciate your personal efforts in
seeing that we get a very healthy share of print dedicated to our
rather obscure interests.

Gary

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Robair, Gino" <grobair@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Gary and fellow Wiardos,
> Let me put on my editor¹s hat for a moment and give you a US
magazine¹s take
> on this:
> It¹s difficult scheduling reviews of boutique items from overseas,
such as
> the Ebbe und Flut and GenoQs: they¹re  handmade (obviously) and the
> companies can barely make enough to fill their orders, let alone loan a
> handful to the various gear mags that would be appropriate (EM,
Keyboard,
> Keys, SOS, TapeOp, etc). Sending them for review takes the unit out
of the
> retail stream (unless the reviewer buys it, which I think many
manufacturers
> hope fo). Also, there are shipping costs involved, the possibility
that the
> unit will arrive damaged, etc. (BTW, this is also the case for many US
> modular makers...)
> 
> And if you want to read a ³useful² review of the product, which
tells you in
> great detail about how the unit works, that takes time. Time that
the unit
> isn¹t generating profit for the manufacturer and distributor. (Hey, the
> brave souls making this stuff have to eat....)
> 
> So, the review is partially up to the manufacturer, who must decide
if it
> makes sense to set aside a small portion of their stock. I¹ve been
told many
> a time by boutique companies (synths, mics, preamps, etc) that they fear
> getting a review and being overwhelmed with orders (when, without the
> publicity, they are already working at capacity).
> 
> Also, remember that the review may not be completely positive:
that¹s also
> been a reason why some companies don¹t send gear (again, I¹ve been
told this
> by a couple of manufacturers over the years: they don¹t want to risk bad
> publicity, especially if the reviewer ³doesn¹t get it², as they
themselves
> see it).
> 
> On the other hand, although there is an analog synth renaissance, with a
> growing number of folks cranking out interesting gear, there is an
> exponentially larger quantity of new items from larger manufacturers
‹ both
> software and hardware ‹ which are easier to grok, far less
expensive, and,
> consequently, selling like crazy (although it is stuff that people
on this
> list seem to have no use for). But that means someone is buying
them, and
> that is the audience that the magazines have to cater to in order to
> survive. Simple. 
> 
> Also, the range of topics that have to be covered by the magazines is
> enormous compared to when magazines such as Polyphony were around.
Not only
> do we have mics, preamps, compressors, and synth modules on the
market, but
> we have keyboard controllers, audio interfaces, sequencers, software
synths,
> plug-in effects, synthesizer workstations, hard-disk multitrack
recorders,
> hardware DSP accelerators.... The list is enormous. So, magazines have a
> wider range of products to talk about within a limited page count
then they
> did in, say, 1984, and they have to tell their readers about all of it,
> including stuff that is irrelevant to this list. I know the editors
at many
> of these mags think of their job as educating their readers about
what¹s on
> the market (e.g., warning them of stuff that isn¹t up to snuff, or
sharing
> their enthusiasm about gear that is exceptional). They¹re trying
their best
> to be thorough, but it takes time...
> 
> (For brevity, I¹ll leave out the fact that the magazines also include
> interviews -- such as ours with Wiard power user Gary Chang --
tutorials,
> master classes, gear roundups, etc.)
> 
> Personally, I enjoy the fact that my job allows me to get the word
about the
> kinds of products people on this list care about: great sounding analog
> audio products. And reviews of products relevant to this list are
> forthcoming (at least in EM)...but be patient.
> 
> But we also have to cover other products as well, because they share the
> musical instrument space, and more people want them than analog modular
> synths (for reasons of price, convenience, conceptual understanding,
etc).
> It¹s reflected in the music biz in general, where the simpler the
music is,
> the more popular it becomes.  (Of course, as you and I know, once a
musician
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> experiences the joys of modular synthesis first hand, there¹s no going
> back...)
> 
> It would be great if there was a magazine (online or treeware) that
> specialized in modular analog synthesizers, dedicated filters, DIY mods,
> etc. But then again, we have of these nifty lists and Yahoo groups where
> people can share ideas and info for free.
> 
> Okay, /rant. Back to being a musician who enjoys his analog modules...
> ginorobair
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/13/06 10:41 AM, "Gary Chang"  scribbled:
> > 
> > Interesting incites into why we are so bored with the media converage
> > of our sport....  Back in the day, it was about spotlighting all of
> > the "Unobtainium" around - reviewing the melotron, Moog 3 or other
> > expensive gems that we couldn't afford.  Kinda like looking at a car
> > mag with the latest Ferrari.  Nowadays, Keyboard Mag is featuring the
> > latest Pinto in all of its glory...  Where is the review of the Genoqs
> > Sequencer or the 'Ebbe und Flut?'
> > 
> > 
> >   
> >     
> > .
> >   
> >
>

The reviews rant (was Re: this reply performs at all published specifications

2006-09-13 by Gary Chang

Certainly, Unobtainium still exists in your life, Doc.  It just might
not be here at this modular JC Whitney parts counter we are standing
at....

gary

(FYI, the term Unobtainium was coined from a friend who works for
Skunkworks - it refers to exotic composite materials that we haven't
seen commercially yet...).



--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "drmabuce" <drmabuce@...> wrote:
>
> Goodness!
> Harry seems to have set a ball to rolling here

> Re: Kbd Mags as the `Unobtanium Review'
. Brilliant! It is certainly
> true that i no longer risk sticking the pages together in my lust for
> that which i shall never have, luridly depicted in the synthporn media. 
> (chuckle
 i found all those synths, broken and abandoned by their
> former owners on my front porch 15 years later, with a signs taped to
> them "Free, if want this old crap, Doc"!) 
> Anyway
i always tell the joke that when i was 15 i could carry 10
> times as much gear as i could afford now the ratio is inverted! Could
> it be that the fact my salad days are behind me and i could actually
> go buy ** a mega-Triton or a Neuron neutralizes their appeal? Thus ,
> the `Unobtanium Review ` has lost its savor because i, the former kid
> at the candy store window can now afford the tariff to go inside
..no
> more Unobtanium???
> 
> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
methinks there's more to it than that.
> 
> It appears to me (unwashed outsider that i am) that the corporate
> factories have realized that there's less gold in the hills of
> unobtanium than in the swamps of cut and paste software `production'.
> 
> 2 observations about the commercial synths nowadays:
> 
> Like the whole rest of the business world, the corporate synth
> factories are thoroughly committed to the Wal-Mart business model.
> When your customer base is desperate to own STUFF and lots of it ,
> drain the quality (read: cost) content down to the barest minimum so
> that you can drop the price to a level where lots of them will try to
> buy on in every color. Mind you i'm recognizing that this is a VERY
> effective model for making money and that's what the surviving synth
> companies DO. There are , of course, always a tiny percentage of
> exceptions but by and large, they're all Roland now.
> 
> There's a Microsoft model at work out there too. When you create and
> release model "B" . Cut and paste as much of model "A" as possible and
> stick it under the hood but completely overhaul the outside. Sell
> barely distinguished versions of the same thing over and over as much
> as possible. Check under the hood of those appalling softsynths behind
> the holographic replicas of Moog modulars or 2600's on the screen. How
> many sawtooth routines do you think they paid to develop? 
> 
> i used to envy the folks at the mags. The freshly minted proto's would
> roll-in for review; stuff that no one outside the factory had seen
> before. Now
  i can just see them hogging their web bandwidth on
> thesaurus.com looking for adjectives that they haven't had to use in
> the last 6 issues, to describe the gadgets in an endless parade of
> nearly identical offerings.
> It's easy for us  readers to lose interest , ho hum, and wander off to
> the analog tent where , at least, the anodized aluminum is aluminum
> and not a chimera of pixels
.but those poor writers and editors HAVE
> to write SOMETHING about this homogenous wad of microcode 
.or they
> get fired!
> 
> Becker and Fagen are in my headphones; "Hey Nineteen!". 
>  I'm just too old , scarred, and jaded to attend to the hype anymore.
>  And so
the mags aren't writing for me anymore. No surprise there! 
> To be fair there's lots of marvelous stuff too , mostly recording
> gear, sci-fi-level capability, in my spare-bedroom studio compared
> with what i even dreamed possible , much less affordable, when i was
> saving up for my first 2600.
> 
> But as for synths

> I remember what i wanted in 1970 & in 1980 and how badly i wanted it.
> Now it's here! The old Chinese curse proved true. What proved most
> dangerous to me was getting what i wished for. Remember that
 all you
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 20-yr olds drooling over autotune, arturia and autocorrection plug-ins.
> 
> -doc
>  
> 
> **(not without a significant degree of perhaps imprudent sacrifice

> but still POSSIBLE)
>

Re: The reviews rant (was Re: this reply performs at all published specifications

2006-09-14 by Robair, Gino

Hi Gary (et al),
Just to clarify, I took no offense to your comments (or anyone else\u2019s comments \u2014 even the folks who no longer subscribe to any gear mags....I can understand that feeling). If I seemed short tempered, I wasn\u2019t \u2014 I have to start using emoticons again. :-)

I merely wanted to share an observation from within my domain about the current magazine biz (at least from EM\u2019s POV). The point being there are two sides to the coin: one, mags that review the audio pintos more than the Rolls Royces and two, the folks making the Rolls Royces that don\u2019t always help (or want to) get the word out. [That seems crazy in print, but I know companies that don\u2019t want press...or so it seems.]

I\u2019d be lying to y\u2019all if I didn\u2019t admit that part of the reason I like my job is that I get to try out cool gear for free (without having to do it in a Guitar Center). But the \u201cbe careful what you wish for\u201d curse (as the good Doctor pointed out) is that I don\u2019t have enough time to use all the amazing stuff to its full extent (unless I217;m reviewing it) before I have to send it home. (And I can assure you that editors don\u2019t make enough to buy every kick-ass piece of hardware that comes through here.) (Though I keep trying to place an order for a Borg 2 from Wiard...) ;-)

If I can carve out a few hours to spend with a new gadget passing through the office on its way to a reviewer, I\u2019m a happy camper. But usually I\u2019m pushing words around the page until it\u2019s quittin\u2019 time (then I go home and try to find the time to make music between raising kids, etc).

The funny thing is that today Jim Aikin, ex of Keyboard and now a freelancer, was in the office to watch a software demo. I had lots of questions for him about various items he reviewed over the years (including the 200e he reviewed last year in Keyboard) and various interviews he\u2019s conducted (including Glenn Gould!). That was a hoot: Jim is very opinionated, and his stories are always interesting.

One more aside: Occasionally I will ask someone at a major manufacturer, over dinner or whathaveyou, why they don\u2019t reintroduce a modular analog synth like they used to make (that\u2019ll give you some hints about which companies I\u2019ve asked). Unfortunately, they usually think I\u2019m kidding... and no, I didn\u2019t ask CBS about the Buchla. ;-)

Have a Wiard day.
g

On 9/13/06 3:55 PM, "Gary Chang" scribbled:
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Gino,

I realize that the Ferrari-Pinto analogy was a bit catty - sorry about
that. I think that the ghost of Konkuro came by last night when I
wrote my comment!

I can't argue with your reply - you have a quality publication that
covers a much larger domain than the typical 1984 magazine covering
the same topic. As you mentioned in your note about my article in EM,
I have personally experienced your efforts to include our miniscule
interest group's agenda in Electronic Musician's scope, which is
commendable.

But I don't think that my comment is a critcism of the magazine
business - the magazine business reflects the change in paradigm in
business in general.

You list plenty of good reasons why the larger manufacturers get a lot
of attention and why the boutiques get less. You also state the fact
that we 'Analogese' comprise a relatively tiny fraction of the EM
reading audience - to which we appreciate your personal efforts in
seeing that we get a very healthy share of print dedicated to our
rather obscure interests.

Gary

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com , "Robair, Gino" wrote:
>
> Hi Gary and fellow Wiardos,
> Let me put on my editor\u2019s hat for a moment and give you a US
magazine\u2019s take
> on this:
> It\u2019s difficult scheduling reviews of boutique items from overseas,
such as
> the Ebbe und Flut and GenoQs: they\u2019re handmade (obviously) and the
> companies can barely make enough to fill their orders, let alone loan a
> handful to the various gear mags that would be appropriate (EM,
Keyboard,
> Keys, SOS, TapeOp, etc). Sending them for review takes the unit out
of the
> retail stream (unless the reviewer buys it, which I think many
manufacturers
> hope fo). Also, there are shipping costs involved, the possibility
that the
> unit will arrive damaged, etc. (BTW, this is also the case for many US
> modular makers...)
>
> And if you want to read a \u201cuseful\u201d review of the product, which
tells you in
> great detail about how the unit works, that takes time. Time that
the unit
> isn\u2019t generating profit for the manufacturer and distributor. (Hey, the
> brave souls making this stuff have to eat....)
>
> So, the review is partially up to the manufacturer, who must decide
if it
> makes sense to set aside a small portion of their stock. I\u2019ve been
told many
> a time by boutique companies (synths, mics, preamps, etc) that they fear
> getting a review and being overwhelmed with orders (when, without the
> publicity, they are already working at capacity).
>
> Also, remember that the review may not be completely positive:
that\u2019s also
> been a reason why some companies don\u2019t send gear (again, I\u2019;ve been
told this
> by a couple of manufacturers over the years: they don\u2019t want to risk bad
> publicity, especially if the reviewer \u201cdoesn\u2019t get it\u03361;, as they
themselves
> see it).
>
> On the other hand, although there is an analog synth renaissance, with a
> growing number of folks cranking out interesting gear, there is an
> exponentially larger quantity of new items from larger manufacturers
\u2014 both
> software and hardware \u2014 which are easier to grok, far less
expensive, and,
> consequently, selling like crazy (although it is stuff that people
on this
> list seem to have no use for). But that means someone is buying
them, and
> that is the audience that the magazines have to cater to in order to
> survive. Simple.
>
> Also, the range of topics that have to be covered by the magazines is
> enormous compared to when magazines such as Polyphony were around.
Not only
> do we have mics, preamps, compressors, and synth modules on the
market, but
> we have keyboard controllers, audio interfaces, sequencers, software
synths,
> plug-in effects, synthesizer workstations, hard-disk multitrack
recorders,
> hardware DSP accelerators.... The list is enormous. So, magazines have a
> wider range of products to talk about within a limited page count
then they
> did in, say, 1984, and they have to tell their readers about all of it,
> including stuff that is irrelevant to this list. I know the editors
at many
> of these mags think of their job as educating their readers about
what\u2019s on
> the market (e.g., warning them of stuff that isn\u2019t up to snuff, or
sharing
> their enthusiasm about gear that is exceptional). They\u2019re trying
their best
> to be thorough, but it takes time...
>
> (For brevity, I\u2019ll leave out the fact that the magazines also include
> interviews -- such as ours with Wiard power user Gary Chang --
tutorials,
> master classes, gear roundups, etc.)
>
> Personally, I enjoy the fact that my job allows me to get the word
about the
> kinds of products people on this list care about: great sounding analog
> audio products. And reviews of products relevant to this list are
> forthcoming (at least in EM)...but be patient.
>
> But we also have to cover other products as well, because they share the
> musical instrument space, and more people want them than analog modular
> synths (for reasons of price, convenience, conceptual understanding,
etc).
> It\u2019s reflected in the music biz in general, where the simpler the
music is,
> the more popular it becomes. (Of course, as you and I know, once a
musician
> experiences the joys of modular synthesis first hand, there\u2019s no going
> back...)
>
> It would be great if there was a magazine (online or treeware) that
> specialized in modular analog synthesizers, dedicated filters, DIY mods,
> etc. But then again, we have of these nifty lists and Yahoo groups where
> people can share ideas and info for free.
>
> Okay, /rant. Back to being a musician who enjoys his analog modules...
> ginorobair
>
>
>
>
> On 9/13/06 10:41 AM, "Gary Chang" scribbled:
> >
> > Interesting incites into why we are so bored with the media converage
> > of our sport.... Back in the day, it was about spotlighting all of
> > the "Unobtainium" around - reviewing the melotron, Moog 3 or other
> > expensive gems that we couldn't afford. Kinda like looking at a car
> > mag with the latest Ferrari. Nowadays, Keyboard Mag is featuring the
> > latest Pinto in all of its glory... Where is the review of the Genoqs
> > Sequencer or the 'Ebbe und Flut?'
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> >
>




Re: [wiardgroup] The reviews rant (was Re: this reply performs at all published specifications

2006-09-14 by John Mahoney

Having seen Gino perform in Miami (at Subtropics 18), I can assure 
you that he occasionally gets a chance to use this stuff, and he 
knows what he's doing with it. :-)  That said, one duet performance 
also involved rolling beer bottles on the concrete floor! I guess 
he's a percussionist, first and foremost. ;-)

He had an interesting little Frac Rack system with Wiard, Blacet, and 
Plan B modules. Maybe some others, too. Feel free to tell us about 
it, Gino, if you don't mind.


Regarding Electronic Musician mag, I've still got the first issue 
(from when it was renamed from Polyphony to EM) but I had stopped 
reading it some time ago. But I'm about to resubscribe because I've 
found myself picking up issue after issue at the bookstore. Sure, it 
covers a things that I don't care about (like Doc, I'm strangely not 
drawn to the modern digital workstations) but EM also reviews 
recording gear, has articles that suit my level of knowledge on 
recording, and so forth. And, it is one of the few mags that actually 
*does* cover analog synthesizers. Keep spreading the word, Gino!


 > (FYI, the term Unobtainium was coined from a friend who works for 
Skunkworks - it refers to exotic composite materials that we haven't 
seen commercially yet...).

Sadly, sunglasses maker Oakley was allowed to trademark the word 
"Unobtainium" many years ago. But I'll save the US PTO rant for 
another time and list.
--
john

P.S. The beer bottles sounded cool.

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2006-09-14 by drmabuce

"youth is wasted on the young"
      G.B.Shaw

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Chang" <gchang@...> wrote:
>
> Certainly, Unobtainium still exists in your life, Doc.  It just might
> not be here at this modular JC Whitney parts counter we are standing
> at....
> 

   most certainly it does! Senor Chang...
Unfortunately, they don't publish "The Lost Youth of Mike Murphy"
magazine...Man ! i'd pay big bucks for a subscription to that...
articles like "Carry your own subwoofer to the gig" , "Spend a WHOLE
Saturday at the (locally owned) Music Store haggling for a paisley
telecaster" ...
i'd beat a path to the mailbox for copy like THAT!
=)

so while we're all kissing and making up. Decorum compells me to
stress that my grousing prose is , at it's heart, not directed at the
business of building instruments or selling magazines about said
business. It is a complaint against the natural process of aging. 
   That Chinese curse we bandy about is serious business. (You
twenty-somethings out there, TAKE NOTE: You WILL get what you wish for
.... and you'll wonder what the HELL you were thinking!!)
When i suppress my curmudgeon gag reflex and take off my rose-colored
nostalgia glasses, the big picture is astoundingly unchanged. The
instrument makers are no more or less venal and larcenous than they
ever were. It's the same as 1968. A few are gifted (if quixotic)
craftsmen and the rest are usurious hacks with the money to put glossy
pictures of people who LOOK like gifted craftsmen in their magazine ads. 
And the ratio of quality to.... uh....well .... NOT quality in the
instrument press is about the same now as it ever was, too.

The change is in me.
Synths are no worse, nor are synth magazines.
i've  just lost my youthful ability to be cheerfully oblivious to the
ubiquitious down-side, and focus with ardent desire on that one
holy-grail piece of gear (du jour!)i wanted.  i remember clearly how
much i iconized my first 2600 and later, my Xpander. Hell! i remember
how dazzled i was at the ravishing sleekness of the DX7 .... oblivious
to how thoroughly that sleekness would handcuff me when i tried to
adjust a velocity response..... like trying to build a ship in a VERY
small bottle!

Grant and i were born 5 months apart and when we met we both felt like
we were telling one another's stories. As much as i can wax loquacious
 about the objective underpinnings of my fetish for Wiard's designs,
i'd be a liar and a hypocrite to deny that a 'generational' affinity
for Gant's mindset is not a major factor my love for his gadgets.
Grant and i watched the absurd parade of life from, pretty-much, the
same street corner. The difference is that his comments took the form
of schematics! 

Hmmm
i even remember wishing fervently that i'd hurry up and get a year
older...
Chinese curse indeed!

(oops! time for my nap)
;)
-doc

PS: Gino, if you see Aitkin again tell him , he has a permanent fan in
Missouri, just for the clarity of his writing alone.

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2006-09-14 by Robair, Gino

Thanks for the kind words, John.

The \u201ctraveling\u201d synth you saw in Miami is actually a Doepfer A-100P case populated with Plan B, Livewire, and Doepfer modules. The case works well as a carry-on bag on airplanes. If Grant was making modules in Eurorack form, I\u2019d have the A-100P filled with his stuff...

My Frac rack system is in a 12-space + 6-space SKB combo that is not suitable for baggage handling by airport staff. That\u2019s my Wiard/Blacet/Metalbox system, which I use for gigs that I can access by car. There\u2019s a photo of the 12-space setup on my MySpace.com/ginorobair page (see photo section, the shot with trumpeter Birgit Ulher at the Maybeck Hall).

My first encounter with the term \u201cobtainium\u201d was speaking with the Survival Research Labs guys. They used the term for items they \u201cobtained\u201d off the streets of SF, if you catch my meaning... :-)


On 9/13/06 7:18 PM, "John Mahoney" scribbled:

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Having seen Gino perform in Miami (at Subtropics 18), I can assure
you that he occasionally gets a chance to use this stuff, and he
knows what he's doing with it. :-) That said, one duet performance
also involved rolling beer bottles on the concrete floor! I guess
he's a percussionist, first and foremost. ;-)

He had an interesting little Frac Rack system with Wiard, Blacet, and
Plan B modules. Maybe some others, too. Feel free to tell us about
it, Gino, if you don't mind.

Regarding Electronic Musician mag, I've still got the first issue
(from when it was renamed from Polyphony to EM) but I had stopped
reading it some time ago. But I'm about to resubscribe because I've
found myself picking up issue after issue at the bookstore. Sure, it
covers a things that I don't care about (like Doc, I'm strangely not
drawn to the modern digital workstations) but EM also reviews
recording gear, has articles that suit my level of knowledge on
recording, and so forth. And, it is one of the few mags that actually
*does* cover analog synthesizers. Keep spreading the word, Gino!

> (FYI, the term Unobtainium was coined from a friend who works for
Skunkworks - it refers to exotic composite materials that we haven't
seen commercially yet...).

Sadly, sunglasses maker Oakley was allowed to trademark the word
"Unobtainium" many years ago. But I'll save the US PTO rant for
another time and list.
--
john

P.S. The beer bottles sounded cool.




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2006-09-14 by Grant Richter

> TAKE NOTE: You WILL get what you wish for
> .... and you'll wonder what the HELL you were thinking!!)

I must remind you you that you swore an oath to protect the Secrets of the Loyal Order of the 
Wogglebug. Don't make us actually do any of that breaking of stones/burying at low tide 
stuff. It sounds just positively DREADFUL for everyone involved. Mud and cold and mollusks, 
ewww!!!!

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