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Changes in Business Practices

2008-12-10 by Mark Griffiths

Hi, so far I've resisted the temptation to say anything. But then I can resist anything but temptation.

Some of the replies have been very interesting but I really don't think Grant was asking us. Or indeed asking us to help him restructure his business. He's letting his customers know, ie he's telling us. We are getting to hear his decision first.

Personally I think it's a sensible solution, but that is somewhat peripheral.

So, I'll take this opportunity to wish Grant and the rest of you an early happy Christmas, Chanukah, Winter Solstice or whatever is appropriate for you.

regards, Mark

Re: [wiardgroup] Changes in Business Practices

2008-12-11 by John Mahoney

At 04:31 PM 12/10/2008, Mark Griffiths wrote:
>[snip]
>Some of the replies have been very interesting but I really don't 
>think Grant was asking us. Or indeed asking us to help him 
>restructure his business. He's letting his customers know, ie he's 
>telling us. We are getting to hear his decision first.
>[snip]

Are you saying that people shouldn't offer well-intentioned suggestions?

I agree with the price increase suggestion. A friend of my late 
father, an eye doctor, once complained to my father that he was busy 
but not really making money. My father told him to raise his rates. 
Dr. Schuler was reluctant, but decided to try it. It worked so well 
that he raised his prices again within the year. Now, nobody likes 
higher prices, and I am absolutely NOT saying that Grant was 
complaining. But, seriously, why should Wiard cost any less than Serge?

Ignore freely. Off-list flames are preferred.

Respectfully submitted,
John

Re: Wiard Demand > Supply

2008-12-11 by mrorangebear

Hi everyone.  This is my first post!.  =)
After seeing the recent discussion, I just couldn't resist...

I really appreciate Grant's decision to keep Wiard's prices as they are and limit his 
customers' annual orders.  It touched a nerve with me regarding, well...

I make my living as a musician.  In my case, this means that I earn the majority of my 
income by teaching private guitar lessons.  I also make a small amount from CD sales (a  
*tiny* amount) and the occasional one-off project (composing music for this or that little 
thing, etc.).  What this also means is that I am not wealthy.  I can only afford two or three 
Wiard modules a year.  I'm not complaining.  I love my work and there's nothing I would 
rather do.

Grant's decision means that people like me, those without much disposable income, can 
continue to afford his beautiful work.  I bought my first three Wiard modules last year and 
I hope to finish my system next year.  When I read comments such as "why don't you raise 
your prices to drive down demand?", I  interpret that as "I've got so much money that it 
doesn't matter what you charge...  I can afford them, regardless, and I don't want to wait.  
Who cares if only 2% of the musical community can afford them."  This actually points to 
a larger issue in our country. (I live in the US)  There is a HUGE concentration of wealth at 
the top and most everyone else is struggling to stay afloat.  

As I see it, Grant's thoughtful decision means that more people will get a chance to enjoy  
his designs, rather than their becoming concentrated in the hands of those who can 
afford to order 10 or 12 modules in a year. 

I'm not trying to attack those of you who suggested raising prices.  I'm not saying that I 
wouldn't buy my last few modules if they were all $200 apiece more.  (honestly, if they 
were that much I never would have started to begin with, but now I'm hooked!)  
I'm just pointing out that Grant will be putting his instruments in more musicians' hands, 
rather than putting more modules in fewer hands.  
I apologize for rambling so long, probably being repetitive and pedantic.  It's just 
something I feel strongly about.

Thanks,
Dylan

P.S. And a big thank you to Grant for all of your hard work!!!!  I hope to complete my 
system soon, before you tell us all to go to hell.  =)

Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Wiard Demand > Supply

2008-12-11 by John Mahoney

>...  When I read comments such as "why don't you raise
>your prices to drive down demand?", I  interpret that as "I've got 
>so much money that it
>doesn't matter what you charge...  I can afford them, regardless, 
>and I don't want to wait.
>Who cares if only 2% of the musical community can afford them."  ...

Your assumption is very wrong -- that is so *not* a description of my 
status. Wiard 300-series modules are already priced beyond my budget, 
so a price increase would have absolutely no effect on me. (I'm on 
this forum mainly to stay abreast of the wonderful instruments that 
spring from Grant's imagination.)


>This actually points to
>a larger issue in our country. (I live in the US)  There is a HUGE 
>concentration of wealth at
>the top and most everyone else is struggling to stay afloat.

This is not the place to debate this issue. But, I would suggest that 
another large issue is that many people don't understand the cost of 
fine design and craftsmanship, and they refuse to pay for it. They 
just want things to be inexpensive.

I paid several hundred dollars on Tuesday to have a door installed in 
my home studio. The carpenters said, "You've got no idea how tough 
this was, making this fit into the existing space gap -- it was a 
completely custom job." I insisted that, in fact, I *did* understand. 
Hand craftsmanship is tedious and expensive. (BTW, the door and new 
wall section are solid as rock!)

Grant, I'm sorry if I have polluted this forum and wasted everyone's 
mental bandwidth. Happy holidays, and best of luck with Wiard's future!

I will refrain from further comment on this topic.

John

Re: Wiard Demand > Supply

2008-12-12 by imabadbadkat96

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "mrorangebear" <shndyln@...> wrote:
> What this also means is that I am not wealthy.  I can only afford two or three 
> Wiard modules a year.  I'm not complaining.  I love my work and there's nothing I would 
> rather do.
> 

Well, that's just it Dylan, some of us keep jobs that we don't exactly love so we CAN buy more 
than 2-3 modules a year. Not harshing on you, man, I'm just saying life's all about priorities 
and sacrifices.

And Grant, do take care of yourself above all else. I know where you're coming from, I've 
received a couple lessons in 'humility of age' myself lately. Wishing you great success in 2009 
and many more years to come!

Gus

Re: Wiard Demand > Supply

2008-12-12 by drmabuce

Hi All
   Ok, looks like this topic is gaining some traction (and without
friction there is no heat!)
;'>
   i know for a fact that Grant looks to this forum as a gauge of the
relevance of this, let's face it, FOOLHARDY venture that he embarked
on back in 1998. 
   i've said it many times before ('cause it's true) that Grant
decided to make Wiards as much as a message in the bottle to find
'others of his kind' as he did because- he felt these cool designs
needed physical expression or, (let me calm down from paroxysms of
hysterical laughter) he needed to make money.
   In the modules' role as message-in-a-bottle , this forum , (with
414 769 0791) is the feedback path.
   (so...what's the point doc?)
   Simply this... don't be shy or too careful - folks!
   Don't throw the passion out with the fear of flames. Don't assume
that the tough questions like: "what's a fair price for a Wiard?" (or
'Is tonal music better than bug music") are impolitic or, off topic.
Grant and i can't talk about the price of a dual Borg for ten minutes
before both Adam Smith and Karl Marx come up - for a half hour!
   Prof. Richter is proud of this forum , he's said many times that he
sees it as one the most enlightened salons amongst the flea markets
and overabbreviated saloons of the synth websites.
   
   so here are four random provocations, trolls if you will, but
trolls with more mirth than ego in mind:

   The difference between the price of a Serge And a Wiard 300 resides
in three place:
   the psychologies and skill sets of Rex and Grant, 
   a N.I.S.T. certification and the justification of it's cost, 
   and the designs of the respective devices. 
   Dennis V. called them apples and peaches , IMHO it's more like
apples and ennui ...not even the same class of phenomenon. i regard it
as something of an improbable coincidence that these two vastly
divergent phenomena both result in the same kind of device!

   An astrological take on Mark G's observation that Grant's
announcement was just that; an Announcement , not a poll.
   Look up the birth chart** of a person born on 14 Dec '56 (this
Sunday, BTW) you will note that Saggitarian natives hold
design-by-committee (or just about anything else 'by-committee') in
abject disdain , even contempt. They keep their own counsel and pursue
their muses with a ferocious, singlemindedness that basically created
the 19th century stereotype of the lone artist wrestling the Titans. 
This singular paradigm was cultivated by Ludwig Beethoven (a
Saggitarius) and was borne out by many subsequent Sagg's: Jimi
Hendrix, Frank Zappa, Richard Pryor, Woody Allen. Mark observes
correctly: "I really don't think Grant was asking us. Or indeed asking
us to help him restructure his business. He's letting his customers
know, ie he's telling us. We are getting to hear his decision first."
 You can take that to the bank. If Grant were going to hold a
conference call about the Wiard pricing structure, he might as well
have stuck to all the fun you can have in a meeting at your day-job
designing pizza oven thermostats for Universal.


   It's not fair that only monetary commodities can currently be
traded for Wiards. It's not a fair or good thing at all. Especially
when Wiards can easily be obtained by people who lack the talent and
patience to exploit the myriad features that Grant takes such pains to
make available and that MANY creative folks with said talent and
patience will never be able to spare the cash to obtain them no matter
how industrious or willing to sacrifice they are. Yes- that is not
fair. i will say that Grant agonizes over this constantly in
conditions i would describe as FAR from luxurious, in a very small
bungalow on the south side of Milwaukee. Grant knows, first hand, 
that creativity is one of the fastest tickets to poverty in the arts
and he works hard to try to figure out what he can do (and do without)
to keep his prices within the conceivable reach of those financially
doomed artists. For instance that's why Wiard always has only one
person on it's payroll and why the waiting line can't get any shorter.
Grant lives hand to mouth. The money from the last shipment is in the
gas tank of the snowblower in his garage. Starving artists in
southeast Wisconsin might find Grant amenable to bartering snow
removal service (in compliance with Milwaukee's stringent ordinances)
for a Wiard. This sounds facetious (from Doc?...never!) but i'm more
serious about this than it might sound. Grant has always been ready to
barter with me for things that directly reduce his expenses. Any
Rheumatologists or Orthopedists out there in need of a wogglebug?

   (and just for some absurd fun)
   What's the big deal about 1v/Oct tracking? What a costly, pain in
the ass that feature is to implement on a VCO! i noticed that i have
to bunch my fingers up way-closer together in the higher octaves on my
'cello. Dang! that made it a lot harder to learn to play!  Who told
the synth-sissies that they had some kind of inalienable right to
'frets that are spaced evenly all up the way the neck'. 

   (Doc runs back to sit in his tire after flinging poo at the zoo
vistors!)
l'chaim!
-doc

** www.alabe.com is free and easy

RE: [wiardgroup] Re: Wiard Demand > Supply

2008-12-13 by T3h caTmaN

i especially dug the last part about vco tracking!!!

d.


To: wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com
From: drmabuce@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:05:06 +0000
Subject: [wiardgroup] Re: Wiard Demand > Supply

Hi All
Ok, looks like this topic is gaining some traction (and without
friction there is no heat!)
;'>
i know for a fact that Grant looks to this forum as a gauge of the
relevance of this, let's face it, FOOLHARDY venture that he embarked
on back in 1998.
i've said it many times before ('cause it's true) that Grant
decided to make Wiards as much as a message in the bottle to find
'others of his kind' as he did because- he felt these cool designs
needed physical expression or, (let me calm down from paroxysms of
hysterical laughter) he needed to make money.
In the modules' role as message-in-a-bottle , this forum , (with
414 769 0791) is the feedback path.
(so...what's the point doc?)
Simply this... don't be shy or too careful - folks!
Don't throw the passion out with the fear of flames. Don't assume
that the tough questions like: "what's a fair price for a Wiard?" (or
'Is tonal music better than bug music") are impolitic or, off topic.
Grant and i can't talk about the price of a dual Borg for ten minutes
before both Adam Smith and Karl Marx come up - for a half hour!
Prof. Richter is proud of this forum , he's said many times that he
sees it as one the most enlightened salons amongst the flea markets
and overabbreviated saloons of the synth websites.

so here are four random provocations, trolls if you will, but
trolls with more mirth than ego in mind:

The difference between the price of a Serge And a Wiard 300 resides
in three place:
the psychologies and skill sets of Rex and Grant,
a N.I.S.T. certification and the justification of it's cost,
and the designs of the respective devices.
Dennis V. called them apples and peaches , IMHO it's more like
apples and ennui ...not even the same class of phenomenon. i regard it
as something of an improbable coincidence that these two vastly
divergent phenomena both result in the same kind of device!

An astrological take on Mark G's observation that Grant's
announcement was just that; an Announcement , not a poll.
Look up the birth chart** of a person born on 14 Dec '56 (this
Sunday, BTW) you will note that Saggitarian natives hold
design-by-committee (or just about anything else 'by-committee') in
abject disdain , even contempt. They keep their own counsel and pursue
their muses with a ferocious, singlemindedness that basically created
the 19th century stereotype of the lone artist wrestling the Titans.
This singular paradigm was cultivated by Ludwig Beethoven (a
Saggitarius) and was borne out by many subsequent Sagg's: Jimi
Hendrix, Frank Zappa, Richard Pryor, Woody Allen. Mark observes
correctly: "I really don't think Grant was asking us. Or indeed asking
us to help him restructure his business. He's letting his customers
know, ie he's telling us. We are getting to hear his decision first."
You can take that to the bank. If Grant were going to hold a
conference call about the Wiard pricing structure, he might as well
have stuck to all the fun you can have in a meeting at your day-job
designing pizza oven thermostats for Universal.

It's not fair that only monetary commodities can currently be
traded for Wiards. It's not a fair or good thing at all. Especially
when Wiards can easily be obtained by people who lack the talent and
patience to exploit the myriad features that Grant takes such pains to
make available and that MANY creative folks with said talent and
patience will never be able to spare the cash to obtain them no matter
how industrious or willing to sacrifice they are. Yes- that is not
fair. i will say that Grant agonizes over this constantly in
conditions i would describe as FAR from luxurious, in a very small
bungalow on the south side of Milwaukee. Grant knows, first hand,
that creativity is one of the fastest tickets to poverty in the arts
and he works hard to try to figure out what he can do (and do without)
to keep his prices within the conceivable reach of those financially
doomed artists. For instance that's why Wiard always has only one
person on it's payroll and why the waiting line can't get any shorter.
Grant lives hand to mouth. The money from the last shipment is in the
gas tank of the snowblower in his garage. Starving artists in
southeast Wisconsin might find Grant amenable to bartering snow
removal service (in compliance with Milwaukee's stringent ordinances)
for a Wiard. This sounds facetious (from Doc?...never!) but i'm more
serious about this than it might sound. Grant has always been ready to
barter with me for things that directly reduce his expenses. Any
Rheumatologists or Orthopedists out there in need of a wogglebug?

(and just for some absurd fun)
What's the big deal about 1v/Oct tracking? What a costly, pain in
the ass that feature is to implement on a VCO! i noticed that i have
to bunch my fingers up way-closer together in the higher octaves on my
'cello. Dang! that made it a lot harder to learn to play! Who told
the synth-sissies that they had some kind of inalienable right to
'frets that are spaced evenly all up the way the neck'.

(Doc runs back to sit in his tire after flinging poo at the zoo
vistors!)
l'chaim!
-doc

** www.alabe.com is free and easy



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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Wiard Demand > Supply

2008-12-13 by John Mahoney

A couple of quick comments, below:


At 07:05 PM 12/12/2008, drmabuce wrote:
>Hi All
>    Ok, looks like this topic is gaining some traction (and without
>friction there is no heat!)
>;'>

Nice post, Doc. ("Mabuse the Poo-flinger"!)


>    The difference between the price of a Serge And a Wiard 300 ...

Indeed, I realized (post posting) how dumb that comparison was. 
:-/  A Wiard module is not a Serge panel and vice versa.

Gotta run, as I'm preparing for my sister's band to arrive in a few 
hours -- I'm recording them today and tomorrow. It's an "all-girl" 
band (four women, ages 20-something to 40-something!) playing punk 
rock. So, pity my ears. ;-)  Pity my long-suffering wife! ;-D

Best to all,
John

P.S. I know, I said I would stop commenting on this thread. Sue me! ;-)

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