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Subject to a 14 day return policy, I have a new-to-me XP USB based 
PC.  Problem: no joystick port to hook up MIDI I/O.  Not sure I want 
to get into MOTU XT Express (8x8 parallel ort MIDI patch bay) as that 
is too heavy duty for current needs.  PC only has 3 slots--not sure I 
want to tie it up with an old soundcard, just for joystick port.  
Budget is extremely tight.

(1)  What do other usb-PC users use for MIDI? (and what is the cost)?
(2)  Any other suggestions?

Thanks

get the midisport 2x2


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From: "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...>
To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 7:12 AM
Subject: [xl7] Help with XP/USB based machine


> Subject to a 14 day return policy, I have a new-to-me XP USB based
> PC.  Problem: no joystick port to hook up MIDI I/O.  Not sure I want
> to get into MOTU XT Express (8x8 parallel ort MIDI patch bay) as that
> is too heavy duty for current needs.  PC only has 3 slots--not sure I
> want to tie it up with an old soundcard, just for joystick port.
> Budget is extremely tight.
>
> (1)  What do other usb-PC users use for MIDI? (and what is the cost)?
> (2)  Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
>
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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lynn" <locuststudio@s...> wrote:
> get the midisport 2x2

Thanks for the reply. I will try to price this.

Much to my disappointment, I have discovered that the MOTU XT Midi 
Express (parallel port) appears to be totally useless on windows XP. 
Maybe I will give up on Sonar 3.

I have had similar problems with MOTU in the past, which is why I 
won't ever buy anything they make again. I agree, the USB midisport 
is a great way to go, totally reliable - at least my 4X4 one is, on 
windows 2000, but I would be money it works great on XP as well. M-
audio is great with driver updates, unlike MOTU.
dana
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lynn" <locuststudio@s...> wrote:
> > get the midisport 2x2
> 
> Thanks for the reply. I will try to price this.
> 
> Much to my disappointment, I have discovered that the MOTU XT Midi 
> Express (parallel port) appears to be totally useless on windows 
XP. 
> Maybe I will give up on Sonar 3.

Thanks to those who replied regarding possible midi interfaces.

Somehow, I managed to install the MOTU Express XT software and 
drivers so it works via the parallel port (Halleluia!).

Also, I got Sonar 3 installed and operating.

Still testing the system, so I am wondering if any E-Mu users have 
tips for working with Sonar.

Also, if there are any Sonar groups as helpful as this group, please 
let me know.  Thanks.

--Steve

[Looking forward to doing music again; its been too long!]

I'm still on windows 2000 and sonar 2.2 until I can afford a new 
machine, however there is an excellent news group for sonar, go to 
www.cakewalk.com and look for the forum on sonar - they just redid 
it and its excellent. I would be happy to share what I know about 
sonar with you, so after you scan over there at cakewalk drop a line 
and perhaps I can offer some assistance.
thx
Dana
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> Thanks to those who replied regarding possible midi interfaces.
> 
> Somehow, I managed to install the MOTU Express XT software and 
> drivers so it works via the parallel port (Halleluia!).
> 
> Also, I got Sonar 3 installed and operating.
> 
> Still testing the system, so I am wondering if any E-Mu users have 
> tips for working with Sonar.
> 
> Also, if there are any Sonar groups as helpful as this group, 
please 

> let me know.  Thanks.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> [Looking forward to doing music again; its been too long!]

I use a MIDISport 4x4, which was only about $120 or so.  Works fine for 
me.

rEalm





steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
11/16/2003 07:12 AM
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        To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
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        Subject:        [xl7] Help with XP/USB based machine


Subject to a 14 day return policy, I have a new-to-me XP USB based 
PC.  Problem: no joystick port to hook up MIDI I/O.  Not sure I want 
to get into MOTU XT Express (8x8 parallel ort MIDI patch bay) as that 
is too heavy duty for current needs.  PC only has 3 slots--not sure I 
want to tie it up with an old soundcard, just for joystick port. 
Budget is extremely tight.

(1)  What do other usb-PC users use for MIDI? (and what is the cost)?
(2)  Any other suggestions?

Thanks




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I have an XL7 (OS v2.0) and am using it with Sonar 3.  The only big 
problem that I have is that, if I'm recording MIDI to SONAR, anytime 
I do any kind of pattern changes, like switching from one pattern to 
the next, SONAR's midi recording simply stops.  Audio recording keeps 
going just fine, but no further midi notes are recorded.

It sure would be nice to be able to record pattern changes, etc.. so 
they could be effectively played back through the XL7.

Other than that, if you don't change patterns, it seems to record 
just fine.

-Clint

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> Thanks to those who replied regarding possible midi interfaces.
> 
> Somehow, I managed to install the MOTU Express XT software and 
> drivers so it works via the parallel port (Halleluia!).
> 
> Also, I got Sonar 3 installed and operating.
> 
> Still testing the system, so I am wondering if any E-Mu users have 
> tips for working with Sonar.
> 
> Also, if there are any Sonar groups as helpful as this group, 
please 

> let me know.  Thanks.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> [Looking forward to doing music again; its been too long!]

I can only assume that this is a Sonar problem, and not just a XL-7 issue. 
 I know I can change patterns in SX and Nuendo without a problem like this 
appearing, so maybe try the Sonar support forums too?  Just in case no one 
else here can replicate the problem...

rEalm





clintfisher <clint@...>
11/18/2003 02:03 PM
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        Subject:        [xl7] Re: Help with XP/USB based machine + Sonar 3


I have an XL7 (OS v2.0) and am using it with Sonar 3.  The only big 
problem that I have is that, if I'm recording MIDI to SONAR, anytime 
I do any kind of pattern changes, like switching from one pattern to 
the next, SONAR's midi recording simply stops.  Audio recording keeps 
going just fine, but no further midi notes are recorded.

It sure would be nice to be able to record pattern changes, etc.. so 
they could be effectively played back through the XL7.

Other than that, if you don't change patterns, it seems to record 
just fine.

-Clint

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> Thanks to those who replied regarding possible midi interfaces.
> 
> Somehow, I managed to install the MOTU Express XT software and 
> drivers so it works via the parallel port (Halleluia!).
> 
> Also, I got Sonar 3 installed and operating.
> 
> Still testing the system, so I am wondering if any E-Mu users have 
> tips for working with Sonar.
> 
> Also, if there are any Sonar groups as helpful as this group, 
please 
> let me know.  Thanks.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> [Looking forward to doing music again; its been too long!]



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If I have time tonight I will try and test this on sonar 2.2 - one 
thought: you aren't filtering any midi messages? I can't remember 
what the default is, but it works with my other gear. You can also 
(although this is cheesy) insert a patch change from the event viwer 
and maybe the main screen as well. Haven't done that for awhile but 
it certainly works, and you can make the patch change as precise as 
you want.
dana
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "clintfisher" <clint@f...> wrote:
> I have an XL7 (OS v2.0) and am using it with Sonar 3.  The only 
big 
> problem that I have is that, if I'm recording MIDI to SONAR, 
anytime 
> I do any kind of pattern changes, like switching from one pattern 
to 
> the next, SONAR's midi recording simply stops.  Audio recording 
keeps 
> going just fine, but no further midi notes are recorded.
> 
> It sure would be nice to be able to record pattern changes, etc.. 
so 
> they could be effectively played back through the XL7.
> 
> Other than that, if you don't change patterns, it seems to record 
> just fine.
> 
> -Clint
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
> wrote:
> > Thanks to those who replied regarding possible midi interfaces.
> > 
> > Somehow, I managed to install the MOTU Express XT software and 
> > drivers so it works via the parallel port (Halleluia!).
> > 
> > Also, I got Sonar 3 installed and operating.
> > 
> > Still testing the system, so I am wondering if any E-Mu users 
have 

> > tips for working with Sonar.
> > 
> > Also, if there are any Sonar groups as helpful as this group, 
> please 
> > let me know.  Thanks.
> > 
> > --Steve
> > 
> > [Looking forward to doing music again; its been too long!]

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "clintfisher" <clint@f...> wrote:
> I have an XL7 (OS v2.0) and am using it with Sonar 3.  The only big 
> problem that I have is that, if I'm recording MIDI to SONAR,
> anytime I do any kind of pattern changes, like switching from one
> pattern to the next, SONAR's midi recording simply stops.

Thanks for the heads up on this issue. If I were further ahead on the 
learning curve, I'd debug the beans out of this one.  I'd start by 
looking at filtering midi data on sonar, as dana suggests.  I have 
found E-loader's midi monitor to be handy to see what kind of stuff 
the E-Mu spits out.  

Also, I am wondering if transport and routing options might be the 
root cause.

Hmmmmm.  On second thought, this might be an excellent problem to 
tackle to teach myself.

Powering up Sonar now . . .

i might add that, in typical fashion for me, I went home and totally 
forgot to test if this worked correctly on my box, sorry
dana
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "clintfisher" <clint@f...> wrote:
> > I have an XL7 (OS v2.0) and am using it with Sonar 3.  The only 
big 
> > problem that I have is that, if I'm recording MIDI to SONAR,
> > anytime I do any kind of pattern changes, like switching from one
> > pattern to the next, SONAR's midi recording simply stops.
> 
> Thanks for the heads up on this issue. If I were further ahead on 
the 
> learning curve, I'd debug the beans out of this one.  I'd start by 
> looking at filtering midi data on sonar, as dana suggests.  I have 
> found E-loader's midi monitor to be handy to see what kind of 
stuff 

> the E-Mu spits out.  
> 
> Also, I am wondering if transport and routing options might be the 
> root cause.
> 
> Hmmmmm.  On second thought, this might be an excellent problem to 
> tackle to teach myself.
> 
> Powering up Sonar now . . .

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "dwoodaman" <dwoodaman@y...> wrote:
> i might add that, in typical fashion for me, I went home and
> totally forgot to test if this worked correctly on my box, sorry
> dana

I did some very basic tests: (1) with Midi only template and (2) with 
Normal template.  On simple tests (1 overdub of midi and audio on top 
of two previously recorded tracks), midi data was recorded when I 
switched patterns by hand.  However, patch changes in patterns were 
NOT recorded.

So, my guess is that the cause is (1) user settings/configuration, 
(2) system limitations, etc.

Disclosure:  running P2500 with XL rom from XL-1 turbo (not sure if 
this would make a difference).

Hope this helps.