Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Hi,

I'm from Germany, and I managed to get probably the last E-MU XL-7
box sold in a store in this country. ;-)) I've tried five different
music stores and only the last shop had one left. Can't believe it.

1) No more XL-7 any more? :-(( Such a great box for no one else 
   anymore, never? Why?

Ok, now to my main question:

2) what's the difference between the XL-7 and a virtual-analogue
   synthesizer like, let's say, the Virus C?

Let's compare:

You have four oscillators (layers) per preset. -> like a Virus C

You can choose four basic analogue waveforms: sine, saw, pulse and 
triangle (and more) -> like a Virus C

You can attach two envelopes per oscillator -> the Virus C has got
ADSTR-Envelopes

You can attach two LFOs per oscillator -> the Virus C has got 3 LFOs

You can attach a filter out of many per oscillator -> the Virus has
got 2 filters per oscillator

The only thing I miss ist FM.
3) Does someone of you know how I can simulate FM on the XL-7?

I've got my unit today, listened to the preset patterns and songs,
which are not bad, but also not good. The sound enginge of that beast
can do so much more. Unforunately, the patterns are somewhat ugly,
too.

Never mind, I've played around with the preset voices and their pre-
set audition patterns. Let's take preset 0501 (syn: SweetDream),
choose this and listen to its pattern (audition). Nice, isn't it?

So, then I've stepped into the "preset editor" and saw that there are
only two oscillators used. So I chose 'wav: saw' for the 3. oscilla-
tor. Fine detuned O1 -5 cent, O2 0 cent, and O3 +5 cent. Then I've
found a filter (don't know its name anymore, sorry) that makes the 
saw oscillator sound like a bell. Then I chose for oscillator 2 a-
nother waveform (wav: sin) instead of the preset one. Played a little
around with the filter and chorus settings, and voilà: a very nice
and beefy bell-like sound made only of analogue waveforms. Chose
a panning delay with chorus as FXB, and... Listen yourself. ;-))

Editing sounds is so easy on that beast. I can't understand why
someone doesn't like sound editing that way.

Now, if I look at what I've done: what, the heck, is the difference
between my XL-7 and the Virus C of my grandpa? ;-))

I've played around with the VST-Synths of FruityLoops but they sound
so tiny and need so much effects to sound a little bit well that's 
no compare to the XL-7.

Guys, what do we have here? I mean, there's a pad preset: "pad: Ark
Deko". I only press one key of the pads, and it sounds like if I'm 
pressing a whole chord.

All this with 128-voice polyphony...


Sorry for my bad English, many thanks in advance, cheers and peace,
Uri

Can we get an AMEN!!!!

u_ri_p_ui <u_ri_p_ui@...> wrote:Hi,

I'm from Germany, and I managed to get probably the last E-MU XL-7
box sold in a store in this country. ;-)) I've tried five different
music stores and only the last shop had one left. Can't believe it.

1) No more XL-7 any more? :-(( Such a great box for no one else 
   anymore, never? Why?

Ok, now to my main question:

2) what's the difference between the XL-7 and a virtual-analogue
   synthesizer like, let's say, the Virus C?

Let's compare:

You have four oscillators (layers) per preset. -> like a Virus C

You can choose four basic analogue waveforms: sine, saw, pulse and 
triangle (and more) -> like a Virus C

You can attach two envelopes per oscillator -> the Virus C has got
ADSTR-Envelopes

You can attach two LFOs per oscillator -> the Virus C has got 3 LFOs

You can attach a filter out of many per oscillator -> the Virus has
got 2 filters per oscillator

The only thing I miss ist FM.
3) Does someone of you know how I can simulate FM on the XL-7?

I've got my unit today, listened to the preset patterns and songs,
which are not bad, but also not good. The sound enginge of that beast
can do so much more. Unforunately, the patterns are somewhat ugly,
too.

Never mind, I've played around with the preset voices and their pre-
set audition patterns. Let's take preset 0501 (syn: SweetDream),
choose this and listen to its pattern (audition). Nice, isn't it?

So, then I've stepped into the "preset editor" and saw that there are
only two oscillators used. So I chose 'wav: saw' for the 3. oscilla-
tor. Fine detuned O1 -5 cent, O2 0 cent, and O3 +5 cent. Then I've
found a filter (don't know its name anymore, sorry) that makes the 
saw oscillator sound like a bell. Then I chose for oscillator 2 a-
nother waveform (wav: sin) instead of the preset one. Played a little
around with the filter and chorus settings, and voil�: a very nice
and beefy bell-like sound made only of analogue waveforms. Chose
a panning delay with chorus as FXB, and... Listen yourself. ;-))

Editing sounds is so easy on that beast. I can't understand why
someone doesn't like sound editing that way.

Now, if I look at what I've done: what, the heck, is the difference
between my XL-7 and the Virus C of my grandpa? ;-))

I've played around with the VST-Synths of FruityLoops but they sound
so tiny and need so much effects to sound a little bit well that's 
no compare to the XL-7.

Guys, what do we have here? I mean, there's a pad preset: "pad: Ark
Deko". I only press one key of the pads, and it sounds like if I'm 
pressing a whole chord.

All this with 128-voice polyphony...


Sorry for my bad English, many thanks in advance, cheers and peace,
Uri


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> what's the difference between the XL-7 and a virtual-analogue
> synthesizer like, let's say, the Virus C?

Apples and oranges. 

Technicallt, the Virus or any good VA is a synthesizer-- the most basic
unit of its sound architecture is the Oscillator model, wherein sound is
generated, or created, on the fly. The XX-7 is a ROMpler; it plays back
pre-recorded looping samples. This results in a fundamentally different
product!

True, both have filters, lfo, arps, etc, but there's a big difference in
the character of each. Just listen. Surely you can find a VC in your
neighborhood! 

-m@

on 1/16/04 2:51 PM, u_ri_p_ui wrote:

> 2) what's the difference between the XL-7 and a
> virtual-analogue synthesizer like, let's say, the
> Virus C?
> 
> You have four oscillators (layers) per preset. ->
> like a Virus C
> You can choose four basic analogue waveforms: sine, saw, pulse and
> triangle (and more) -> like a Virus C
> You can attach two envelopes per oscillator -> the Virus C has got
> ADSTR-Envelopes
> You can attach two LFOs per oscillator -> the Virus C has got 3 LFOs
> You can attach a filter out of many per oscillator -> the Virus has
> got 2 filters per oscillator
> The only thing I miss ist FM.

in the Virus, all oscs are mixed before they hit the
filter section, so there is only one "engine" for a
given channel.

in the E-mu Proteii engine, each osc has its own
engine, and they are only mixed at the end...so to
some degree, a single patch on the E-mu is like having
4 synth engines running in parallel...

consider that a single layer has 1 osc, 2 LFOs, 3 envs,
1 of 50 filters, and 24 modmatrix connections (cords),
so a full patch will have a maximum of 4 oscs, 8 LFOs,
12 envs, 4 of 50 filters, and over 100 (layer + global)
modmatrix connections.

also, the Virus filters are either 2- or 4-pole, and
because there are two in a patch with various routing
modes, you can achieve 6-pole topologies.

the modern Proteus engine filters range from 2- to 12-
pole, and feature various filter, eq and effects
implementations.

but the real difference is the simple fact they sound
very different from one another, even if they do not
differ much in some regards when comparing and
contrasting some architectural abstraction of both of
them.

I have an Access Virus b and E-mu XL-7
(XL/TSCY/Vintage ROMS) here. ;)


cheers,
aeon

lucky bastid! I'm envious!

> I have an Access Virus b and E-mu XL-7
> (XL/TSCY/Vintage ROMS) here. ;)
> 
> 
> cheers,
> aeon

Welcome to our group first of all!

I use both a Virus C and the XL-7 as my main synths.  The main 
difference is just the pure sound they make, vastly different, but 
neither is better than the other.  The Virus C has a much rawer 
sound than the XL-7, which sounds more polished to me.  No drums 
samples in the Virus either.  Rather than thinking one is better 
than the other, it's good for me to think of how well they 
complement each other, and make a nice mix.

rEalm

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "u_ri_p_ui" <u_ri_p_ui@y...> wrote:

> 2) what's the difference between the XL-7 and a virtual-analogue
>    synthesizer like, let's say, the Virus C?

> Now, if I look at what I've done: what, the heck, is the difference
> between my XL-7 and the Virus C of my grandpa? ;-))