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list edit increment

2008-01-23 by Aaron Eppolito

Thanks for the feedback.  It's always nice to hear that we hit the target for people.  I snipped some things out of your post to answer:
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----- Original Message ----
From: Mauricio Balma <balmaproducer@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] XL7, compared to...

>  I just complaint about issues like: 
   
> Moving the curson on the edition mode, in order to advance from note
 to note.
> Editing a big group of notes one by one is horrible tedious,
 since you have
> only the cursor buttons to navigate throught them.  


Oooh, but you don't!!!  Simply hold the Home/Enter button while turning the encoder wheel!  It'll increment you forward and back through notes, leaving you on the same field.  If you don't turn the encoder, Home/Enter will take you to the title, so make sure to at least move one note (and back if you didn't really want to move) so as to stay on velocity or whatever.


   
> I like to add randomized values to my notes to give a human touch to
 the track.
> I don’t like too accurate start times, so, if recorded
 quantized, I go note by note
> to modify the start time of each one.
  That’s very hard on the command station.


Wow, that's dedication.  Note/List Edit were put in there as a last resort if you really had to edit that sort of detail.  It's not something I try to use too often.  When I do, it's usually to erase (or transpose) that one bum note in a track.  You can use it to do full editing, but it's really just to hard to do computer style sequencing on a 2x24 character display!




> For example, you aren’t
 able to hear a patch before overwriting it


I wish you didn't have to save presets at all and instead, they'd save themselves with the pattern!




> you are not able to browse
 by category when you are gonna save a patch
> (so, you could find faster
 empty slots for saving patches)


Good point!  I can't remember why we didn't put that in there, I'd imagine it'd be easy, but I vaguely remember something like that the Save Patch class and the Category Patch class depended on different base class for some reason or something like that.




> But I want to let you know that I’m a big fan of your design.  
 Have more than 20 synths,
> some of them wonderful machines like the Vsynth,
 the Virus or the roland Jupiter, and
> command station are between my
 favorintes, and one of the synths I’ll never sell.


Thanks again!  I have a soft spot for them - every time I clean my apartment and stumble across the development equipment, I wanna go add features!  Now if I could only fix my encoders in software...


-Aaron





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Re: [xl7] list edit increment

2008-01-23 by Mauricio Balma

Thanks a lot Aaron for your complete answer.  It's incredible when you have years using a device, and when you think you know it all, somebody comes and teach you something new about it.  I know that also some comments from the users, can result on improvements for future products, so that's my intention. 
   
  Other points that I could mention: 
   
  Append pattern. During the composition process, I use to duplicate patterns, saving the same pattern on the following memory slot.  Then, I go to that pattern, and add variations to notes, make modifications, add new melodies, etc, in order to create a second part of the original pattern. It would be very useful, if you can take that pattern, and put it at the end of the previous patttern.  I don't how to call it, append pattern or merge patterns, but this is not possible on the command station.  You have to use the copy track to clipboard function, track by track, one by one, and that's tedious.  Lots of synths that I've used, specially workstations like the Yamaha Ex5, SY99, W7 and Motif, have this feature. Not scential, but helpful.
   
  Transponse track:  how much I miss a more useful transponse function when composing tracks!!!!.  On the knobs (play mode), you have four different functions for the 16 knobs.  Adding a transpose function would be so, so helpful when composing and playing on realtime.  what I do to replace this missing function, is to use the transponse hold button, when you are playing live, sometimes tracks beg you for a inmediate pitch change, in orden to create variations on harmonies.  Also, when composing, for example a 8 bar pattern, you will like to change the pitch of the notes on a bass track on +2 or -3 transposve value, but it's not possible, you can only select note range (-G2 to C8), but not measure range.  You have to go to edition screen, and change pitch note by note on the desired range.  Or copy that range, save it on a new pattern, apply the transponse change command, copy it to clipboard, going to previous pattern, erase range from 5 to 8, and then pasting the recently
 edited segment...
   
  A good implementation of this, are the crappy Roland Groovebox series. You can store the same pattern on a 16 locations map (using the mini 16 notes keyboard to select patterns).  You can store on the slots, the same pattern but different transponse notes for each track. So, lots of variations can be stored using the same pattern, without having to create a new pattern with different pitches for each tracks.  that's cool and a good idea...  
  This could be added on the EMU, without having to add new hardware, on a screen like the mix screen, where you can see a simple graphic for the volume and pan. honestly, that button was like new, I never use it, so I opened the EMU,and used the switch circuit of the mix button, to replace the broken one of the pattern select button, that died for overusing it. 
   
  Hope to be constructive on my comments.  
   
  I admire the LINK feature on the patch edit function.  These are the features that I love on a synth.  Haven't found something similar on other devices.  One of the features that strongly identify the EMU style.  These are the things that make you worth the money you paid for the synth.  Experimental, deep, something to look over for hours during patch edition.  Creates synergy.  Resulting patches, are more than the simple addition of their components. I have created so great patches using the LINK function.... congrats for this feature....
   
  Balma
   
   
  

Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote:
          Thanks for the feedback. It's always nice to hear that we hit the target for people. I snipped some things out of your post to answer:
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----- Original Message ----
From: Mauricio Balma <balmaproducer@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] XL7, compared to...

> I just complaint about issues like: 

> Moving the curson on the edition mode, in order to advance from note
to note.
> Editing a big group of notes one by one is horrible tedious,
since you have
> only the cursor buttons to navigate throught them. 

Oooh, but you don't!!! Simply hold the Home/Enter button while turning the encoder wheel! It'll increment you forward and back through notes, leaving you on the same field. If you don't turn the encoder, Home/Enter will take you to the title, so make sure to at least move one note (and back if you didn't really want to move) so as to stay on velocity or whatever.

> I like to add randomized values to my notes to give a human touch to
the track.
> I don’t like too accurate start times, so, if recorded
quantized, I go note by note
> to modify the start time of each one.
That’s very hard on the command station.

Wow, that's dedication. Note/List Edit were put in there as a last resort if you really had to edit that sort of detail. It's not something I try to use too often. When I do, it's usually to erase (or transpose) that one bum note in a track. You can use it to do full editing, but it's really just to hard to do computer style sequencing on a 2x24 character display!

> For example, you aren’t
able to hear a patch before overwriting it

I wish you didn't have to save presets at all and instead, they'd save themselves with the pattern!

> you are not able to browse
by category when you are gonna save a patch
> (so, you could find faster
empty slots for saving patches)

Good point! I can't remember why we didn't put that in there, I'd imagine it'd be easy, but I vaguely remember something like that the Save Patch class and the Category Patch class depended on different base class for some reason or something like that.

> But I want to let you know that I’m a big fan of your design. 
Have more than 20 synths,
> some of them wonderful machines like the Vsynth,
the Virus or the roland Jupiter, and
> command station are between my
favorintes, and one of the synths I’ll never sell.

Thanks again! I have a soft spot for them - every time I clean my apartment and stumble across the development equipment, I wanna go add features! Now if I could only fix my encoders in software...

-Aaron

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How to delete unwanted songs/patterns to improve memory??

2008-01-24 by Gabriel Scott

Hey Everyone,
I'm trying to figure out How to delete unwanted songs/patterns to improve my available memory
space?? I'm at about 20% memory available and have many early versions of songs and arrangements,
or patterns that were eventually not used in songs. I want to erase them from my XL-7 but can't
seem to find how that's done??? It seems that it should be quite easy but I've had no luck so far
either in the manual or searching through the song/pattern edits. I'd appreciate any input you all
could offer.
Thanks
Gabriel Scott

The Bleeder Project
Toystaar Records 


--- Mauricio Balma <balmaproducer@...> wrote:

> Thanks a lot Aaron for your complete answer.  It's incredible when you have years using a
> device, and when you think you know it all, somebody comes and teach you something new about it.
>  I know that also some comments from the users, can result on improvements for future products,
> so that's my intention. 
>    
>   Other points that I could mention: 
>    
>   Append pattern. During the composition process, I use to duplicate patterns, saving the same
> pattern on the following memory slot.  Then, I go to that pattern, and add variations to notes,
> make modifications, add new melodies, etc, in order to create a second part of the original
> pattern. It would be very useful, if you can take that pattern, and put it at the end of the
> previous patttern.  I don't how to call it, append pattern or merge patterns, but this is not
> possible on the command station.  You have to use the copy track to clipboard function, track by
> track, one by one, and that's tedious.  Lots of synths that I've used, specially workstations
> like the Yamaha Ex5, SY99, W7 and Motif, have this feature. Not scential, but helpful.
>    
>   Transponse track:  how much I miss a more useful transponse function when composing
> tracks!!!!.  On the knobs (play mode), you have four different functions for the 16 knobs. 
> Adding a transpose function would be so, so helpful when composing and playing on realtime. 
> what I do to replace this missing function, is to use the transponse hold button, when you are
> playing live, sometimes tracks beg you for a inmediate pitch change, in orden to create
> variations on harmonies.  Also, when composing, for example a 8 bar pattern, you will like to
> change the pitch of the notes on a bass track on +2 or -3 transposve value, but it's not
> possible, you can only select note range (-G2 to C8), but not measure range.  You have to go to
> edition screen, and change pitch note by note on the desired range.  Or copy that range, save it
> on a new pattern, apply the transponse change command, copy it to clipboard, going to previous
> pattern, erase range from 5 to 8, and then pasting the recently
>  edited segment...
>    
>   A good implementation of this, are the crappy Roland Groovebox series. You can store the same
> pattern on a 16 locations map (using the mini 16 notes keyboard to select patterns).  You can
> store on the slots, the same pattern but different transponse notes for each track. So, lots of
> variations can be stored using the same pattern, without having to create a new pattern with
> different pitches for each tracks.  that's cool and a good idea...  
>   This could be added on the EMU, without having to add new hardware, on a screen like the mix
> screen, where you can see a simple graphic for the volume and pan. honestly, that button was
> like new, I never use it, so I opened the EMU,and used the switch circuit of the mix button, to
> replace the broken one of the pattern select button, that died for overusing it. 
>    
>   Hope to be constructive on my comments.  
>    
>   I admire the LINK feature on the patch edit function.  These are the features that I love on a
> synth.  Haven't found something similar on other devices.  One of the features that strongly
> identify the EMU style.  These are the things that make you worth the money you paid for the
> synth.  Experimental, deep, something to look over for hours during patch edition.  Creates
> synergy.  Resulting patches, are more than the simple addition of their components. I have
> created so great patches using the LINK function.... congrats for this feature....
>    
>   Balma
>    
>    
>   
> 
> Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote:
>           Thanks for the feedback. It's always nice to hear that we hit the target for people. I
> snipped some things out of your post to answer:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mauricio Balma <balmaproducer@...>
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [xl7] XL7, compared to...
> 
> > I just complaint about issues like: 
> 
> > Moving the curson on the edition mode, in order to advance from note
> to note.
> > Editing a big group of notes one by one is horrible tedious,
> since you have
> > only the cursor buttons to navigate throught them. 
> 
> Oooh, but you don't!!! Simply hold the Home/Enter button while turning the encoder wheel! It'll
> increment you forward and back through notes, leaving you on the same field. If you don't turn
> the encoder, Home/Enter will take you to the title, so make sure to at least move one note (and
> back if you didn't really want to move) so as to stay on velocity or whatever.
> 
> > I like to add randomized values to my notes to give a human touch to
> the track.
> > I don\u2019t like too accurate start times, so, if recorded
> quantized, I go note by note
> > to modify the start time of each one.
> That\u2019s very hard on the command station.
> 
> Wow, that's dedication. Note/List Edit were put in there as a last resort if you really had to
> edit that sort of detail. It's not something I try to use too often. When I do, it's usually to
> erase (or transpose) that one bum note in a track. You can use it to do full editing, but it's
> really just to hard to do computer style sequencing on a 2x24 character display!
> 
> > For example, you aren\u2019t
> able to hear a patch before overwriting it
> 
> I wish you didn't have to save presets at all and instead, they'd save themselves with the
> pattern!
> 
> > you are not able to browse
> by category when you are gonna save a patch
> > (so, you could find faster
> empty slots for saving patches)
> 
> Good point! I can't remember why we didn't put that in there, I'd imagine it'd be easy, but I
> vaguely remember something like that the Save Patch class and the Category Patch class depended
> on different base class for some reason or something like that.
> 
> > But I want to let you know that I\u2019m a big fan of your design. 
> Have more than 20 synths,
> > some of them wonderful machines like the Vsynth,
> the Virus or the roland Jupiter, and
> > command station are between my
> favorintes, and one of the synths I\u2019ll never sell.
> 
> Thanks again! I have a soft spot for them - every time I clean my apartment and stumble across
> the development equipment, I wanna go add features! Now if I could only fix my encoders in
> software...
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> __________________________________________________________
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. 
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> 
> 
>                          
> 
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> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: [xl7] How to delete unwanted songs/patterns to improve memory??

2008-01-24 by Mauricio Balma

Best way to do this is using the ELOADER, and loading gropus of empty sequences over the patterns you want to erase.  with this method, you can clean the memory 100%.
   
  Otherwise, you'll have to save empty sequences over the patterns you want to erase, one by one. 
   
  Also, on the diagnostic mode there's an option to clean the memory.  But it erases everything. 
  

Gabriel Scott <GABRIELSCOTT@...> wrote:
          Hey Everyone,
I'm trying to figure out How to delete unwanted songs/patterns to improve my available memory
space?? I'm at about 20% memory available and have many early versions of songs and arrangements,
or patterns that were eventually not used in songs. I want to erase them from my XL-7 but can't
seem to find how that's done??? It seems that it should be quite easy but I've had no luck so far
either in the manual or searching through the song/pattern edits. I'd appreciate any input you all
could offer.
Thanks
Gabriel Scott

The Bleeder Project
Toystaar Records 

--- Mauricio Balma <balmaproducer@...> wrote:

> Thanks a lot Aaron for your complete answer. It's incredible when you have years using a
> device, and when you think you know it all, somebody comes and teach you something new about it.
> I know that also some comments from the users, can result on improvements for future products,
> so that's my intention. 
> 
> Other points that I could mention: 
> 
> Append pattern. During the composition process, I use to duplicate patterns, saving the same
> pattern on the following memory slot. Then, I go to that pattern, and add variations to notes,
> make modifications, add new melodies, etc, in order to create a second part of the original
> pattern. It would be very useful, if you can take that pattern, and put it at the end of the
> previous patttern. I don't how to call it, append pattern or merge patterns, but this is not
> possible on the command station. You have to use the copy track to clipboard function, track by
> track, one by one, and that's tedious. Lots of synths that I've used, specially workstations
> like the Yamaha Ex5, SY99, W7 and Motif, have this feature. Not scential, but helpful.
> 
> Transponse track: how much I miss a more useful transponse function when composing
> tracks!!!!. On the knobs (play mode), you have four different functions for the 16 knobs. 
> Adding a transpose function would be so, so helpful when composing and playing on realtime. 
> what I do to replace this missing function, is to use the transponse hold button, when you are
> playing live, sometimes tracks beg you for a inmediate pitch change, in orden to create
> variations on harmonies. Also, when composing, for example a 8 bar pattern, you will like to
> change the pitch of the notes on a bass track on +2 or -3 transposve value, but it's not
> possible, you can only select note range (-G2 to C8), but not measure range. You have to go to
> edition screen, and change pitch note by note on the desired range. Or copy that range, save it
> on a new pattern, apply the transponse change command, copy it to clipboard, going to previous
> pattern, erase range from 5 to 8, and then pasting the recently
> edited segment...
> 
> A good implementation of this, are the crappy Roland Groovebox series. You can store the same
> pattern on a 16 locations map (using the mini 16 notes keyboard to select patterns). You can
> store on the slots, the same pattern but different transponse notes for each track. So, lots of
> variations can be stored using the same pattern, without having to create a new pattern with
> different pitches for each tracks. that's cool and a good idea... 
> This could be added on the EMU, without having to add new hardware, on a screen like the mix
> screen, where you can see a simple graphic for the volume and pan. honestly, that button was
> like new, I never use it, so I opened the EMU,and used the switch circuit of the mix button, to
> replace the broken one of the pattern select button, that died for overusing it. 
> 
> Hope to be constructive on my comments. 
> 
> I admire the LINK feature on the patch edit function. These are the features that I love on a
> synth. Haven't found something similar on other devices. One of the features that strongly
> identify the EMU style. These are the things that make you worth the money you paid for the
> synth. Experimental, deep, something to look over for hours during patch edition. Creates
> synergy. Resulting patches, are more than the simple addition of their components. I have
> created so great patches using the LINK function.... congrats for this feature....
> 
> Balma
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback. It's always nice to hear that we hit the target for people. I
> snipped some things out of your post to answer:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mauricio Balma <balmaproducer@...>
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [xl7] XL7, compared to...
> 
> > I just complaint about issues like: 
> 
> > Moving the curson on the edition mode, in order to advance from note
> to note.
> > Editing a big group of notes one by one is horrible tedious,
> since you have
> > only the cursor buttons to navigate throught them. 
> 
> Oooh, but you don't!!! Simply hold the Home/Enter button while turning the encoder wheel! It'll
> increment you forward and back through notes, leaving you on the same field. If you don't turn
> the encoder, Home/Enter will take you to the title, so make sure to at least move one note (and
> back if you didn't really want to move) so as to stay on velocity or whatever.
> 
> > I like to add randomized values to my notes to give a human touch to
> the track.
> > I don’t like too accurate start times, so, if recorded
> quantized, I go note by note
> > to modify the start time of each one.
> That’s very hard on the command station.
> 
> Wow, that's dedication. Note/List Edit were put in there as a last resort if you really had to
> edit that sort of detail. It's not something I try to use too often. When I do, it's usually to
> erase (or transpose) that one bum note in a track. You can use it to do full editing, but it's
> really just to hard to do computer style sequencing on a 2x24 character display!
> 
> > For example, you aren’t
> able to hear a patch before overwriting it
> 
> I wish you didn't have to save presets at all and instead, they'd save themselves with the
> pattern!
> 
> > you are not able to browse
> by category when you are gonna save a patch
> > (so, you could find faster
> empty slots for saving patches)
> 
> Good point! I can't remember why we didn't put that in there, I'd imagine it'd be easy, but I
> vaguely remember something like that the Save Patch class and the Category Patch class depended
> on different base class for some reason or something like that.
> 
> > But I want to let you know that I’m a big fan of your design. 
> Have more than 20 synths,
> > some of them wonderful machines like the Vsynth,
> the Virus or the roland Jupiter, and
> > command station are between my
> favorintes, and one of the synths I’ll never sell.
> 
> Thanks again! I have a soft spot for them - every time I clean my apartment and stumble across
> the development equipment, I wanna go add features! Now if I could only fix my encoders in
> software...
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> __________________________________________________________
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. 
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: [xl7] list edit increment

2008-01-24 by Aaron Eppolito

Ugh, I can't figure out how to get yahoo mail to quote stuff so I can interleave comments (I did the last one by hand).


Append Pattern:
You can use Xmix for this too!  (that seems to be my answer for everything here!)  You'll still have to get them one by one, but you can pretty quickly go into XMIX and dial up the source pattern.  Then, you simply push the button for destination track then the button for the source track over and over.  You can then save the pattern over itself or to a new pattern.


Transpose:
Yeah, there's no way to limit bar range.  Ideally, it'd have a realtime transpose feature along with realtime quantize.


Comments:
Don't know if you were around back when I did 2.0, but much of those features were requests from this mailing list!


-Aaron
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----- Original Message ----
From: Mauricio Balma <balmaproducer@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:34:08 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] list edit increment


Thanks a lot Aaron for your complete answer.  It's incredible when you
 have years using a device, and when you think you know it all, somebody
 comes and teach you something new about it.  I know that also some
 comments from the users, can result on improvements for future products,
 so that's my intention. 
   
  Other points that I could mention: 
   
  Append pattern. During the composition process, I use to duplicate
 patterns, saving the same pattern on the following memory slot.  Then, I
 go to that pattern, and add variations to notes, make modifications,
 add new melodies, etc, in order to create a second part of the original
 pattern. It would be very useful, if you can take that pattern, and put
 it at the end of the previous patttern.  I don't how to call it, append
 pattern or merge patterns, but this is not possible on the command
 station.  You have to use the copy track to clipboard function, track by
 track, one by one, and that's tedious.  Lots of synths that I've used,
 specially workstations like the Yamaha Ex5, SY99, W7 and Motif, have
 this feature. Not scential, but helpful.
   
  Transponse track:  how much I miss a more useful transponse function
 when composing tracks!!!!.  On the knobs (play mode), you have four
 different functions for the 16 knobs.  Adding a transpose function would
 be so, so helpful when composing and playing on realtime.  what I do to
 replace this missing function, is to use the transponse hold button,
 when you are playing live, sometimes tracks beg you for a inmediate pitch
 change, in orden to create variations on harmonies.  Also, when
 composing, for example a 8 bar pattern, you will like to change the pitch of
 the notes on a bass track on +2 or -3 transposve value, but it's not
 possible, you can only select note range (-G2 to C8), but not measure
 range.  You have to go to edition screen, and change pitch note by note on
 the desired range.  Or copy that range, save it on a new pattern,
 apply the transponse change command, copy it to clipboard, going to
 previous pattern, erase range from 5 to 8, and then pasting the recently
 edited segment...
   
  A good implementation of this, are the crappy Roland Groovebox
 series. You can store the same pattern on a 16 locations map (using the mini
 16 notes keyboard to select patterns).  You can store on the slots, the
 same pattern but different transponse notes for each track. So, lots
 of variations can be stored using the same pattern, without having to
 create a new pattern with different pitches for each tracks.  that's cool
 and a good idea...  
  This could be added on the EMU, without having to add new hardware,
 on a screen like the mix screen, where you can see a simple graphic for
 the volume and pan. honestly, that button was like new, I never use it,
 so I opened the EMU,and used the switch circuit of the mix button, to
 replace the broken one of the pattern select button, that died for
 overusing it. 
   
  Hope to be constructive on my comments.  
   
  I admire the LINK feature on the patch edit function.  These are the
 features that I love on a synth.  Haven't found something similar on
 other devices.  One of the features that strongly identify the EMU style.
  These are the things that make you worth the money you paid for the
 synth.  Experimental, deep, something to look over for hours during
 patch edition.  Creates synergy.  Resulting patches, are more than the
 simple addition of their components. I have created so great patches using
 the LINK function.... congrats for this feature....
   
  Balma
   
   
  

Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote:
          Thanks for the feedback. It's always nice to hear that we hit
 the target for people. I snipped some things out of your post to
 answer:

----- Original Message ----
From: Mauricio Balma <balmaproducer@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] XL7, compared to...

> I just complaint about issues like: 

> Moving the curson on the edition mode, in order to advance from note
to note.
> Editing a big group of notes one by one is horrible tedious,
since you have
> only the cursor buttons to navigate throught them. 

Oooh, but you don't!!! Simply hold the Home/Enter button while turning
 the encoder wheel! It'll increment you forward and back through notes,
 leaving you on the same field. If you don't turn the encoder,
 Home/Enter will take you to the title, so make sure to at least move one note
 (and back if you didn't really want to move) so as to stay on velocity or
 whatever.

> I like to add randomized values to my notes to give a human touch to
the track.
> I don’t like too accurate start times, so, if recorded
quantized, I go note by note
> to modify the start time of each one.
That’s very hard on the command station.

Wow, that's dedication. Note/List Edit were put in there as a last
 resort if you really had to edit that sort of detail. It's not something I
 try to use too often. When I do, it's usually to erase (or transpose)
 that one bum note in a track. You can use it to do full editing, but
 it's really just to hard to do computer style sequencing on a 2x24
 character display!

> For example, you aren’t
able to hear a patch before overwriting it

I wish you didn't have to save presets at all and instead, they'd save
 themselves with the pattern!

> you are not able to browse
by category when you are gonna save a patch
> (so, you could find faster
empty slots for saving patches)

Good point! I can't remember why we didn't put that in there, I'd
 imagine it'd be easy, but I vaguely remember something like that the Save
 Patch class and the Category Patch class depended on different base class
 for some reason or something like that.

> But I want to let you know that I’m a big fan of your design. 
Have more than 20 synths,
> some of them wonderful machines like the Vsynth,
the Virus or the roland Jupiter, and
> command station are between my
favorintes, and one of the synths I’ll never sell.

Thanks again! I have a soft spot for them - every time I clean my
 apartment and stumble across the development equipment, I wanna go add
 features! Now if I could only fix my encoders in software...

-Aaron

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Re: [xl7] list edit increment

2008-01-24 by Mauricio Balma

Thanks Aaron.  I use XMIX pretty much, incredibly usefful, you find the same feature on the groovebox MC 307, MC 505, MC 909 and D2 (I'm owner of these toys too). But its not possible to append patterns with the XMIX. Maybe its because my poor english, so I didn't explain my self well. 
   
  I meant, to traslate an entire pattern, to the end of another pattern.  I have a pattern.  I duplicate it, make some variations to the cloned pattern, and then, put it at the end of the first patttern without replacing its tracks, but making the pattern longer.  So, I startted wit a 8 bars pattern, duplicate it, and I end with a 16 bars pattern.  You must know  that sometimes, composing music throught pattern method, makes you lose the continuity of the song, and sometimes it cuts patches with a long decay time (like pads) when changing pattern. This is rare on the XL7, I love it, but when sending MIDI tracks to other synths, changing pattern affects some sounds, cutting the sound.  I have worked on this,  deleting the 0 point program change messages turning all the tracks to "ext", so I'm able to see these hidden messages. 
  Anyway, this append pattern feature could be helpful, but is not the great stuff.  
  Something that could be really insteresting, is to have patterns with different lengths for each track.  You find this feature on the pattern sequencer of the Yamaha EX7.  You can assign different lengh to each track, not only on measures, but also on bars!!!.  This is so, so cool, because you can keep, for example, the kick drum track on just 2 measures, and create a track of 16 measures for the pad melody.  Tracks can have lengths adjusted not only to measures, but bars, and decimals, centesimals.... this feature makes you able to create very complex patterns, with diferent tempo and lenght for each one of the tracks, so each pattern never repeats on the same way.  Now that's an amazing feature on a sequencer. 
   
  Sorry for bothering or being so much critic, but I love to dig very deep on my hardware, really enthusiastic for technologies possibilities, and always think, how they could be better, and try to get the best of the features that I see can improve my compositions. 
   
  Waiting forthe 3.0!!!1 (just joking....)
   
  thanks again Aaroon. 
  

Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@yahoo.com> wrote:
          Ugh, I can't figure out how to get yahoo mail to quote stuff so I can interleave comments (I did the last one by hand).

Append Pattern:
You can use Xmix for this too! (that seems to be my answer for everything here!) You'll still have to get them one by one, but you can pretty quickly go into XMIX and dial up the source pattern. Then, you simply push the button for destination track then the button for the source track over and over. You can then save the pattern over itself or to a new pattern.

Transpose:
Yeah, there's no way to limit bar range. Ideally, it'd have a realtime transpose feature along with realtime quantize.

Comments:
Don't know if you were around back when I did 2.0, but much of those features were requests from this mailing list!

-Aaron
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----- Original Message ----
From: Mauricio Balma <balmaproducer@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:34:08 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] list edit increment

Thanks a lot Aaron for your complete answer. It's incredible when you
have years using a device, and when you think you know it all, somebody
comes and teach you something new about it. I know that also some
comments from the users, can result on improvements for future products,
so that's my intention. 

Other points that I could mention: 

Append pattern. During the composition process, I use to duplicate
patterns, saving the same pattern on the following memory slot. Then, I
go to that pattern, and add variations to notes, make modifications,
add new melodies, etc, in order to create a second part of the original
pattern. It would be very useful, if you can take that pattern, and put
it at the end of the previous patttern. I don't how to call it, append
pattern or merge patterns, but this is not possible on the command
station. You have to use the copy track to clipboard function, track by
track, one by one, and that's tedious. Lots of synths that I've used,
specially workstations like the Yamaha Ex5, SY99, W7 and Motif, have
this feature. Not scential, but helpful.

Transponse track: how much I miss a more useful transponse function
when composing tracks!!!!. On the knobs (play mode), you have four
different functions for the 16 knobs. Adding a transpose function would
be so, so helpful when composing and playing on realtime. what I do to
replace this missing function, is to use the transponse hold button,
when you are playing live, sometimes tracks beg you for a inmediate pitch
change, in orden to create variations on harmonies. Also, when
composing, for example a 8 bar pattern, you will like to change the pitch of
the notes on a bass track on +2 or -3 transposve value, but it's not
possible, you can only select note range (-G2 to C8), but not measure
range. You have to go to edition screen, and change pitch note by note on
the desired range. Or copy that range, save it on a new pattern,
apply the transponse change command, copy it to clipboard, going to
previous pattern, erase range from 5 to 8, and then pasting the recently
edited segment...

A good implementation of this, are the crappy Roland Groovebox
series. You can store the same pattern on a 16 locations map (using the mini
16 notes keyboard to select patterns). You can store on the slots, the
same pattern but different transponse notes for each track. So, lots
of variations can be stored using the same pattern, without having to
create a new pattern with different pitches for each tracks. that's cool
and a good idea... 
This could be added on the EMU, without having to add new hardware,
on a screen like the mix screen, where you can see a simple graphic for
the volume and pan. honestly, that button was like new, I never use it,
so I opened the EMU,and used the switch circuit of the mix button, to
replace the broken one of the pattern select button, that died for
overusing it. 

Hope to be constructive on my comments. 

I admire the LINK feature on the patch edit function. These are the
features that I love on a synth. Haven't found something similar on
other devices. One of the features that strongly identify the EMU style.
These are the things that make you worth the money you paid for the
synth. Experimental, deep, something to look over for hours during
patch edition. Creates synergy. Resulting patches, are more than the
simple addition of their components. I have created so great patches using
the LINK function.... congrats for this feature....

Balma




Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...m> wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. It's always nice to hear that we hit
the target for people. I snipped some things out of your post to
answer:

----- Original Message ----
From: Mauricio Balma <balmaproducer@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] XL7, compared to...

> I just complaint about issues like: 

> Moving the curson on the edition mode, in order to advance from note
to note.
> Editing a big group of notes one by one is horrible tedious,
since you have
> only the cursor buttons to navigate throught them. 

Oooh, but you don't!!! Simply hold the Home/Enter button while turning
the encoder wheel! It'll increment you forward and back through notes,
leaving you on the same field. If you don't turn the encoder,
Home/Enter will take you to the title, so make sure to at least move one note
(and back if you didn't really want to move) so as to stay on velocity or
whatever.

> I like to add randomized values to my notes to give a human touch to
the track.
> I don’t like too accurate start times, so, if recorded
quantized, I go note by note
> to modify the start time of each one.
That’s very hard on the command station.

Wow, that's dedication. Note/List Edit were put in there as a last
resort if you really had to edit that sort of detail. It's not something I
try to use too often. When I do, it's usually to erase (or transpose)
that one bum note in a track. You can use it to do full editing, but
it's really just to hard to do computer style sequencing on a 2x24
character display!

> For example, you aren’t
able to hear a patch before overwriting it

I wish you didn't have to save presets at all and instead, they'd save
themselves with the pattern!

> you are not able to browse
by category when you are gonna save a patch
> (so, you could find faster
empty slots for saving patches)

Good point! I can't remember why we didn't put that in there, I'd
imagine it'd be easy, but I vaguely remember something like that the Save
Patch class and the Category Patch class depended on different base class
for some reason or something like that.

> But I want to let you know that I’m a big fan of your design. 
Have more than 20 synths,
> some of them wonderful machines like the Vsynth,
the Virus or the roland Jupiter, and
> command station are between my
favorintes, and one of the synths I’ll never sell.

Thanks again! I have a soft spot for them - every time I clean my
apartment and stumble across the development equipment, I wanna go add
features! Now if I could only fix my encoders in software...

-Aaron

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Re: [xl7] list edit increment

2008-02-17 by Atom Smasher

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Aaron Eppolito wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mauricio Balma <balmaproducer@...>
>
>> I like to add randomized values to my notes to give a human touch to 
>> the track. I donÿÿt like too accurate start times, so, if recorded 
>> quantized, I go note by note to modify the start time of each one. 
>> Thatÿÿs very hard on the command station.
>
> Wow, that's dedication.  Note/List Edit were put in there as a last 
> resort if you really had to edit that sort of detail.  It's not 
> something I try to use too often.  When I do, it's usually to erase (or 
> transpose) that one bum note in a track.  You can use it to do full 
> editing, but it's really just to hard to do computer style sequencing on 
> a 2x24 character display!
================

the MC-50 (and MC-50mk2) only have 2 line displays, but they have just 
about every edit feature you'd want implemented reasonably well. and for 
everything else, there's the "microscope mode"; similar to the note edit 
on the XL7 but each note/event plays as you scroll to it, and of course it 
doesn't work while playing/recording.

for loops and realtime stuff i'll take the XL7... for off-line editing the 
MC-50 wins. i really wish the XL7 had the editing capabilities of the 
MC-50... the MC-50 makes it easy to extract data from one track to another 
(or delete) based on channel, note (range), bar (range), etc... these 
things can be done on the XL7 but it seems like i'd have to make extensive 
use of the clipboard and bounce things around and still edit midi events 
one at a time.


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Re: [xl7] list edit increment

2008-02-18 by Aaron Eppolito

This is actually exactly the point of the XL-7.  It's not meant to be a workstation.  It's meant to be a live sequencing / inspiration capturing device.  For full on MIDI editing, the computer is going to be easier to use.  That's why the XL-7 incorporates a USB port and the Standard MIDI File as its native sequence format.  If you want to do extensive editing, it's assumed that you'll do a quick roundtrip with your favorite sequencer of choice.


I'm not saying that there's not a class of people who want the all-in-one workstation (like yourself) but we had to devote feature development time somewhere, and in-depth editing came second to realtime live capture/performance.


Hope you enjoy it!
  -Aaron
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----- Original Message ----
From: Atom Smasher <atom@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:56:58 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] list edit increment


On 
Wed, 
23 
Jan 
2008, 
Aaron 
Eppolito 
wrote:

> 
----- 
Original 
Message 
----
> 
From: 
Mauricio 
Balma 
<balmaproducer@...>
>
>> 
I 
like 
to 
add 
randomized 
values 
to 
my 
notes 
to 
give 
a 
human 
touch 
to 
>> 
the 
track. 
I 
donÿÿt 
like 
too 
accurate 
start 
times, 
so, 
if 
recorded 
>> 
quantized, 
I 
go 
note 
by 
note 
to 
modify 
the 
start 
time 
of 
each 
one. 
>> 
Thatÿÿs 
very 
hard 
on 
the 
command 
station.
>
> 
Wow, 
that's 
dedication.  
Note/List 
Edit 
were 
put 
in 
there 
as 
a 
last 
> 
resort 
if 
you 
really 
had 
to 
edit 
that 
sort 
of 
detail.  
It's 
not 
> 
something 
I 
try 
to 
use 
too 
often.  
When 
I 
do, 
it's 
usually 
to 
erase 
(or 
> 
transpose) 
that 
one 
bum 
note 
in 
a 
track.  
You 
can 
use 
it 
to 
do 
full 
> 
editing, 
but 
it's 
really 
just 
to 
hard 
to 
do 
computer 
style 
sequencing 
on 
> 
a 
2x24 
character 
display!
================

the 
MC-50 
(and 
MC-50mk2) 
only 
have 
2 
line 
displays, 
but 
they 
have 
just 
about 
every 
edit 
feature 
you'd 
want 
implemented 
reasonably 
well. 
and 
for 
everything 
else, 
there's 
the 
"microscope 
mode"; 
similar 
to 
the 
note 
edit 
on 
the 
XL7 
but 
each 
note/event 
plays 
as 
you 
scroll 
to 
it, 
and 
of 
course 
it 
doesn't 
work 
while 
playing/recording.

for 
loops 
and 
realtime 
stuff 
i'll 
take 
the 
XL7... 
for 
off-line 
editing 
the 
MC-50 
wins. 
i 
really 
wish 
the 
XL7 
had 
the 
editing 
capabilities 
of 
the 
MC-50... 
the 
MC-50 
makes 
it 
easy 
to 
extract 
data 
from 
one 
track 
to 
another 
(or 
delete) 
based 
on 
channel, 
note 
(range), 
bar 
(range), 
etc... 
these 
things 
can 
be 
done 
on 
the 
XL7 
but 
it 
seems 
like 
i'd 
have 
to 
make 
extensive 
use 
of 
the 
clipboard 
and 
bounce 
things 
around 
and 
still 
edit 
midi 
events 
one 
at 
a 
time.


-- 
  
  
  
  
 
...atom



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Re: [xl7] list edit increment

2008-02-18 by Mauricio Balma

I have two and use them as sequencers for live performances.  I couldn't live without them.  They do the "hard work" while playing on stage.  Other synths that I have use as central brain for my hardware setup, collapse with too much MIDI information.  Command stations are very brave synths, they tell to the other synths what to do, and I use them not just for sequencing, but also for the drum sequences and some leads.  Great for organ chord hits due to their high reso filters.
   
  

Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@yahoo.com> wrote:
          This is actually exactly the point of the XL-7. It's not meant to be a workstation. It's meant to be a live sequencing / inspiration capturing device. For full on MIDI editing, the computer is going to be easier to use. That's why the XL-7 incorporates a USB port and the Standard MIDI File as its native sequence format. If you want to do extensive editing, it's assumed that you'll do a quick roundtrip with your favorite sequencer of choice.

I'm not saying that there's not a class of people who want the all-in-one workstation (like yourself) but we had to devote feature development time somewhere, and in-depth editing came second to realtime live capture/performance.

Hope you enjoy it!
-Aaron
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----- Original Message ----
From: Atom Smasher <atom@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:56:58 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] list edit increment

On 
Wed, 
23 
Jan 
2008, 
Aaron 
Eppolito 
wrote:

> 
----- 
Original 
Message 
----
> 
From: 
Mauricio 
Balma 
<balmaproducer@...>
>
>> 
I 
like 
to 
add 
randomized 
values 
to 
my 
notes 
to 
give 
a 
human 
touch 
to 
>> 
the 
track. 
I 
donÿÿt 
like 
too 
accurate 
start 
times, 
so, 
if 
recorded 
>> 
quantized, 
I 
go 
note 
by 
note 
to 
modify 
the 
start 
time 
of 
each 
one. 
>> 
Thatÿÿs 
very 
hard 
on 
the 
command 
station.
>
> 
Wow, 
that's 
dedication. 
Note/List 
Edit 
were 
put 
in 
there 
as 
a 
last 
> 
resort 
if 
you 
really 
had 
to 
edit 
that 
sort 
of 
detail. 
It's 
not 
> 
something 
I 
try 
to 
use 
too 
often. 
When 
I 
do, 
it's 
usually 
to 
erase 
(or 
> 
transpose) 
that 
one 
bum 
note 
in 
a 
track. 
You 
can 
use 
it 
to 
do 
full 
> 
editing, 
but 
it's 
really 
just 
to 
hard 
to 
do 
computer 
style 
sequencing 
on 
> 
a 
2x24 
character 
display!
================

the 
MC-50 
(and 
MC-50mk2) 
only 
have 
2 
line 
displays, 
but 
they 
have 
just 
about 
every 
edit 
feature 
you'd 
want 
implemented 
reasonably 
well. 
and 
for 
everything 
else, 
there's 
the 
"microscope 
mode"; 
similar 
to 
the 
note 
edit 
on 
the 
XL7 
but 
each 
note/event 
plays 
as 
you 
scroll 
to 
it, 
and 
of 
course 
it 
doesn't 
work 
while 
playing/recording.

for 
loops 
and 
realtime 
stuff 
i'll 
take 
the 
XL7... 
for 
off-line 
editing 
the 
MC-50 
wins. 
i 
really 
wish 
the 
XL7 
had 
the 
editing 
capabilities 
of 
the 
MC-50... 
the 
MC-50 
makes 
it 
easy 
to 
extract 
data 
from 
one 
track 
to 
another 
(or 
delete) 
based 
on 
channel, 
note 
(range), 
bar 
(range), 
etc... 
these 
things 
can 
be 
done 
on 
the 
XL7 
but 
it 
seems 
like 
i'd 
have 
to 
make 
extensive 
use 
of 
the 
clipboard 
and 
bounce 
things 
around 
and 
still 
edit 
midi 
events 
one 
at 
a 
time.

-- 





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