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In case anyone wants some new music, I've got a new track online that 
myself and friend wrote.  Personally I think it's some of my best work to 
date, let me know what you all think!  Any comments are surely 
appreciated!

http://rEalm.iuma.com

"Ripple (rEalm&Norsez)"

Thanx to anyone that can listen and provide some feedback!
rEalm

I wish it was that easy!  They have to like the tune too ;)  DAT?  CDR's 
are fine according all the labels I've contacted in the past to see what 
media they prefer, DAT's gone the way of the dinosaur ;)  Thanx for the 
advice though.

rEalm





"Andre Lewis" <andrel@...>
05/08/02 01:44 PM
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Send a copy on Dat directly to the labels, I know for a fact many of them 
will go ahead and print it if they have a good copy allready.
-----Original Message-----
From: erik_magrini@... [mailto:erik_magrini@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:54 AM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [xl7] New rEalm tune


Thanx for the compliment, now to get some trance labels listening! 

rEalm 



Sounds Excellent, if you could get a good vocal line over it you would 
have an anthem on your hands . . . ;) 

----Original Message-----

http://rEalm.iuma.com 

"Ripple (rEalm&Norsez)" 


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-----Original Message-----

Hehe, Moonshine a smaller label?  You're joking right? 

I'm not trying to say you're wrong, but I've been sending out promos for a 
few years now, not to mention I've got a pretty relationship with a lot of 
the nu skool breaks label owner in the UK right now (Sounds of Habib, 
Plastic Raygunn, Disuye, TCR) etc.  Sure if they like your tune they'll 
talk about pressing it, but there's a lot of work that goes into putting 
out a record, so they don't just take the ones that sound good (obviously 
that's ONE of the prerequisites though).  There's marketting plans to 
think about, promotion budgets, regional exposure, whether or not it has 
the 'sound' a label is known for, etc.

I truly wish it was as easy as just finding a small label and letting them 
press it, but you've got to find the right label, one who's willing to 
invest in an unknown producer(s).  Not that we're not going to try still, 
the B-side is in the works right now...

BTW, mastering for vinyl is a completely different process than regular CD 
mastering, and has nothing to do with dither.  A record pressing plant 
will typically have an in house engineer who's job is to take your nice, 
pristine CD master, and make sure it'll work on a record.  They don't do 
any dithering at this stage, unless they need to completely remaster your 
song in the first place, which is rare nowadays as the labels will have 
caught any of those issues long before it get sent to be pressed.  The 
pressing plant will check to make sure your bass frequencies are centered, 
not panning around, or pulled hard to one side (causes the needle to jump 
out of the groove).  They also determine how hot to burn the record (+6dB 
is typical for dance tunes), an how far apart the grooves should be given 
the track length, and the bass content.  Typcially recored with lots of 
bass with need deeper grooves that are farther apart.  Lots of good 
articles out there on vinyl pressing if you need more info...

rEalm



I knew of a guy in New York that prints house tracks, he would get stuff 
in on Dat and just print it if it didn't need mastering.  Prefered DAT 
because he needed to remaster a bunch of em and wanted the higher quality. 
 Really doesn't matter what the format is I'm sure.  Some things are 
obviously easier to work with for mastering if it hasn't allready been 
compressed and dithered.  Just send em out, That track is sweet enough if 
you sent it to a smaller label I'm sure they would pick it up.  Try 
Moonshine Records, they're pretty decent.

Realm -

I just listed to your track so here it goes.

One of the first things that my girlfriend said when she walked in 
the room was "who's this" - and "sounds like video game music" - 
which is kinda funny, because it reminds me a lot of the "tracked" 
trance that you'd hear back in the day in a lot of the "chip" 
and "future crew" demos....  also has a tint of fsol.  The breaks 
are a nice touch.   And the violin solo is definatly very touching.  
Personally, I'm not a big fan of trance.  But I am a big fan of 
chip/demo music.  over all i'd give this track an 8/10.  Add a vocal 
in there and i'd be an easy 9/10.

What did you use for the core of this track?  

ez.



--- In xl7@y..., erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Hehe, Moonshine a smaller label?  You're joking right? 
> 
> I'm not trying to say you're wrong, but I've been sending out 
promos for a 
> few years now, not to mention I've got a pretty relationship with 
a lot of 
> the nu skool breaks label owner in the UK right now (Sounds of 
Habib, 
> Plastic Raygunn, Disuye, TCR) etc.  Sure if they like your tune 
they'll 
> talk about pressing it, but there's a lot of work that goes into 
putting 
> out a record, so they don't just take the ones that sound good 
(obviously 
> that's ONE of the prerequisites though).  There's marketting plans 
to 
> think about, promotion budgets, regional exposure, whether or not 
it has 
> the 'sound' a label is known for, etc.
> 
> I truly wish it was as easy as just finding a small label and 
letting them 
> press it, but you've got to find the right label, one who's 
willing to 
> invest in an unknown producer(s).  Not that we're not going to try 
still, 
> the B-side is in the works right now...
> 
> BTW, mastering for vinyl is a completely different process than 
regular CD 
> mastering, and has nothing to do with dither.  A record pressing 
plant 
> will typically have an in house engineer who's job is to take your 
nice, 
> pristine CD master, and make sure it'll work on a record.  They 
don't do 
> any dithering at this stage, unless they need to completely 
remaster your 
> song in the first place, which is rare nowadays as the labels will 
have 
> caught any of those issues long before it get sent to be pressed.  
The 
> pressing plant will check to make sure your bass frequencies are 
centered, 
> not panning around, or pulled hard to one side (causes the needle 
to jump 
> out of the groove).  They also determine how hot to burn the 
record (+6dB 
> is typical for dance tunes), an how far apart the grooves should 
be given 
> the track length, and the bass content.  Typcially recored with 
lots of 
> bass with need deeper grooves that are farther apart.  Lots of 
good 
> articles out there on vinyl pressing if you need more info...
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> I knew of a guy in New York that prints house tracks, he would get 
stuff 
> in on Dat and just print it if it didn't need mastering.  Prefered 
DAT 
> because he needed to remaster a bunch of em and wanted the higher 
quality. 
>  Really doesn't matter what the format is I'm sure.  Some things 
are 
> obviously easier to work with for mastering if it hasn't allready 
been 
> compressed and dithered.  Just send em out, That track is sweet 
enough if 
> you sent it to a smaller label I'm sure they would pick it up.  
Try 
> Moonshine Records, they're pretty decent.

over all i'd give this track an 8/10.  Add a vocal in there and i'd be an 
easy 9/10.

>>>I'd love the chance to work with a singer, being able f*ck up vocals 
would be too much fun.  Still, gotta wait for the right one... <<<

What did you use for the core of this track? 

>>>I did the drums and mixing, as well as mastering a a few touch ups, my 
friend Norsez did the orchestration and instrumentation for the most part. 
 The drums were all done in Reason, using my own samples and some of the 
included refill ones too.  The sound effects and synth leads were from a 
Roland SH32, some of the other stuff was Korg Oasys, and VirusB I think. 
Bassline was Subtraktor in Reason, and the whole thing was arranged in 
Reason.  Once he sent me the Reason file, I transferred it track by track 
(over 40 of them) into Cubase via rewire as 24 bit files.  From there I 
redid the final mix, and added all my dynamics processing, mastering was 
done in Wavelab.  I'd say 70% of this tune was done in Reason, the rest 
pulled in a ton of other elements, sadly no XL-7 this time around.  My 
part of this was written before I owned one.  I don't mind discussing 
production techniques, so if you've got more questions, fire away.<<<

rEalm

Got a new tune I just posted this morning if anyone wants to let me know 
what they think, I'd appreciate it!  The bongo-ish sounds and some of the 
SFX sounds are from the XL-7, the rest of the synth parts are mostly the 
Virus KC:

http://rEalm.iuma.com  "Void Shaper"

thanx!
rEalm



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http://rEalm.iuma.com  "The Frozen Sky"

Everything except the guitar is from the XL-7, though it was arranged and 
edited in Cubase SX.  Enjoy!

rEalm

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http://rEalm.iuma.com  "Edge Of The Maze"

Little bit of Xl-7 action in there, but not much, sorry  ;)

rEalm

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Here's  trance track I just finished up, using the XL-7's knobs to control 
the Maelstrom synth in Reason.  Takes that program to a whole new level in 
that regard:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/innerportalmusic.htm  "Inflektion"

rEalm

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Cool... I've been meaning to hook my MP-7 to control reason for a 
while, but have been too lazy and haven't updated to USB Midi 
interface. Can you do this using USB with the E-mu or must you use 
midi. Also detail on how you did this would be appreciated. I do not 
have any documentation with Reason and have only used my MP-7 for 
control of other E-mu thus far. 
  Also I found this board as a result of a link of yours from a Nu 
school board, thanks.
    Tom




--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Here's  trance track I just finished up, using the XL-7's knobs to 
control 
> the Maelstrom synth in Reason.  Takes that program to a whole new 
level in 
> that regard:
> 
> 
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/innerportalmusic.htm  "Inflektion"

> 
> rEalm
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I've been meaning to hook my MP-7 to control reason for a while, but have 
been too lazy and haven't updated to USB Midi interface. Can you do this 
using USB with the E-mu or must you use midi. 

>>>You have to use MIDI, sorry.  USB is only for storing and backing up 
Songs/Patterns, that's it. <<<

Also detail on how you did this would be appreciated. I do not have any 
documentation with Reason and have only used my MP-7 for control of other 
E-mu thus far. 

>>>First up, Reason always installs it's documentation into the same 
folder as the program itself, so you shoudl at least have PDF copies of 
the Users manual, and the MIDI Implementation manual.  I believe even the 
cracked versions do this as well, just FYI.

How did I do this?  In the Controllers Menu on the XX-7, you can specify 
what CC# each of the 16 knobs will transmit when in Program Mode (the 
select button above the knobs chooses this).  So then I just looked in the 
Reason MIDI implemtation chart to see what the CC#'s were for each of the 
controls I wanted to map to the XX-7's knobs.  IE, the Subtractor's cutoff 
knob is CC#74, so I made the MP7's knob 1 transmit CC#74 (which is 
actually the default I believe).  Using this method, I assigned all 16 
knobs to control the parameters for one Reason instrument, and then saved 
those assignments as a Multisetup in the XX-7.  I called it "Reason 
Subtractor" too, so I can quickly recall it by Loading that Multi in the 
Global menu.  That way, if I'm tweaking a Maelstrom and I want to say 
tweak a NN19, all I have to do is load the appropriate Multi on the XX-7.

The good news is that I've done all this work for you already, and you can 
find the Multi's in the fil;es section of this group.  Each multi also has 
a text file specifying what each knob controls on that particular Reason 
instrument too. So you just have to send them one at a time to your XX-7, 
save them, then send the next to store them all in your MP7.  I plan on 
redoing someo this work in the very near future, and providing better 
instructions for loading thse as well, I just haven't had much time 
lately.  It'll be up soon, and I'll post a message here so people know 
about it. <<<

Also I found this board as a result of a link of yours from a Nu school 
board, thanks.

>>>Cool, welcome aboard.  I think you're the third person from that board 
I've wrangled into coming here :) <<<

rEalm










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Keep up the good work!
--- erik_magrini@... wrote:

> I've been meaning to hook my MP-7 to control reason
> for a while, but have 
> been too lazy and haven't updated to USB Midi
> interface. Can you do this 
> using USB with the E-mu or must you use midi. 
> 
> >>>You have to use MIDI, sorry.  USB is only for
> storing and backing up 
> Songs/Patterns, that's it. <<<
> 
> Also detail on how you did this would be
> appreciated. I do not have any 
> documentation with Reason and have only used my MP-7
> for control of other 
> E-mu thus far. 
> 
> >>>First up, Reason always installs it's
> documentation into the same 
> folder as the program itself, so you shoudl at least
> have PDF copies of 
> the Users manual, and the MIDI Implementation
> manual.  I believe even the 
> cracked versions do this as well, just FYI.
> 
> How did I do this?  In the Controllers Menu on the
> XX-7, you can specify 
> what CC# each of the 16 knobs will transmit when in
> Program Mode (the 
> select button above the knobs chooses this).  So
> then I just looked in the 
> Reason MIDI implemtation chart to see what the CC#'s
> were for each of the 
> controls I wanted to map to the XX-7's knobs.  IE,
> the Subtractor's cutoff 
> knob is CC#74, so I made the MP7's knob 1 transmit
> CC#74 (which is 
> actually the default I believe).  Using this method,
> I assigned all 16 
> knobs to control the parameters for one Reason
> instrument, and then saved 
> those assignments as a Multisetup in the XX-7.  I
> called it "Reason 
> Subtractor" too, so I can quickly recall it by
> Loading that Multi in the 
> Global menu.  That way, if I'm tweaking a Maelstrom
> and I want to say 
> tweak a NN19, all I have to do is load the
> appropriate Multi on the XX-7.
> 
> The good news is that I've done all this work for
> you already, and you can 
> find the Multi's in the fil;es section of this
> group.  Each multi also has 
> a text file specifying what each knob controls on
> that particular Reason 
> instrument too. So you just have to send them one at
> a time to your XX-7, 
> save them, then send the next to store them all in
> your MP7.  I plan on 
> redoing someo this work in the very near future, and
> providing better 
> instructions for loading thse as well, I just
> haven't had much time 
> lately.  It'll be up soon, and I'll post a message
> here so people know 
> about it. <<<
> 
> Also I found this board as a result of a link of
> yours from a Nu school 
> board, thanks.
> 
> >>>Cool, welcome aboard.  I think you're the third
> person from that board 
> I've wrangled into coming here :) <<<
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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