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OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

2002-08-27 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Just thought I summarize some of the things we have listed in the Wishlist 
Database, see if anyone has any other ideas.  Keep in mind, I only 
included things that could be reasonably implemented with an OS update (at 
least as far as I know), so items such as "a larger display" or "USB 
device for back up" wouldn't be feasible here, and thus weren't included.
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1. A way to see if a Preset is saved in Pattern or not as you scroll 
through them in Preset view.  This would make it easier to free up memory 
and overwrite User Presets that are no longer being used.  Similarly, a 
way to erase or reset all unused Presets at once.

2. The ability to record or enter Track Mutes in a Pattern and Song.

3. A means to select and add a measure of silence at the end of a Pattern 
while in real time record mode.  this would allow you to avoid writing 
over the beginning of a Pattern when it loops around.

4. The ability to make a layer sample playback in reverse.

5. An Undo (Revert To Saved) keyboard shortcut, to make undoing a bad take 
easier and faster.

6. The ability to use Arppegiators as gating devices, so that they could 
be set to control velocity as well as note ons.

7. Short cuts or button presses that would allow you to latch the 
Arppegiator (as well as turn it on or off) on the current track, without 
needing to go into the Preset Edit menus.

8. A way to select the current ARP by holding down the ARP button and 
scrolling with the data wheel.

9. Finer increments of Tempo resolution.  IE, tempos smaller than whole 
numbers.

10. Change the Mix View settings so that it only shows 16 channels at a 
time, but with increased resolution for each channel.  It's too difficult 
to accurately see your volume levels with 32 channels on the screen at 
once.

11. Track selection scrolling.  IE, if you are on Track 16 and press +, 
the track should jump to Track 1, not remain at Track 16.

12. The ability to assign a 16 step recorded phrase as an Arppegiator, 
instead of having to enter it step by step.

13. Real-time erase with range selection. Instead of having to hold the 
actual notes you want to delete while in real-time record, you should be 
able to hold the highest and lowest notes and everything in-between that 
range will get deleted.

14. The ability to turn on a feature that would let all actions send out 
sysex data.

15. The ability to stop at a certain measure while in grid recording.

16. A way to set up markers within longer Patterns, so that only the 
measures within that range will loop, making editing sections of larger 
Patterns easier.

17. A front panel short cut to the Randomize Preset function.

18. The ability to jump to a new Tempo without having to scroll to it, 
similar to the way Pattern Selection works during Playback.

19. A means to filter different MIDI information before it gets sent to 
the MIDI outs, IE filter out program changes, CC's, etc.

20. A way to store and recall different Mute Button scenes within 
Patterns, so that each pattern can have more than 1 Mute status saved with 
it.

21. The ability to specify whether Preset and FX Send information is also 
copied when you copy a Track to a new Track.

22. The ability to assign an Arppegiator as well as Note number and Preset 
to each of the Trigger buttons.

23. A Preset Editor and/or Librarian included as part of E-Loader, so that 
user don't have to rely on sysex dumps for their Preset management.

24. A way to select new Patterns without having to scroll.  Similar to RPS 
and RPPR functions.

25. Real-time preview of quantize settings in Pattern Edit so you can hear 
your changes as you make them, as well as new Groove Quantize features.

26. A Record Replace mode, not just Record Overdub.

27. The means to a shift an entire track by a certain amount, ticks and 
quarter notes.

28. The ability to record and playback sysex in order to make changes to 
external gear.

29. Triggers should be syncable (quantizeable) to tempo, so that playback 
is in time with the pattern when you activate a Trigger/BTS.

30. The ability to burn ROMs directly in the XL-7, without the need for an 
Emu sampler.

31. A way to allow the 16 knobs to control Volume, Pan, and Note Values 
for each step while in Grid mode, similar to an analog style 
step-sequencer.

32. A means to dim the Lamp Socket via software.

33. The ability to select whether the XX-7 will let the selection of a new 
Pattern change the tempo to the value saved with that Pattern, instead of 
having the tempo remain the same from Pattern to Pattern while playing 
back.

34. A way to erase an entire Pattern at once, including Mute status.

35. Change the front panel power button sot hat it must be held for 3 
seconds before it begins the count down to Power Off in order to prevent 
accidentally powering down live.

36. The ability for the Pattern Mute status to be carried over when 
selecting a new Pattern to allow smoother switching between drastically 
different Patterns.

37. A way to select if the Pan and Volume knobs are set to control Tracks 
or MIDI channels.

38. The means to swap out tracks from other patterns during play back, 
allowing you to slowly morph from one pattern to another on a Track by 
Track basis.  Similar to Megamixing.

rEalm

Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

2002-08-27 by Aaron

--- erik_magrini@... wrote:
> 3. A means to select and add a measure of silence at the end of a
> Pattern  while in real time record mode.  this would allow you to
> avoid writing over the beginning of a Pattern when it loops around.

Try setting the pattern length to be one bar longer... it's
non-destructive and when you're done recording dial it back.


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RE: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

2002-08-27 by ByronIV

These are ALL very true needs (except maybe number 3, you could always make
your pattern one bar longer and then one shorter afterwards...) BUT, what I
want the MOST above ALL of these, is 2 up and down cursor buttons in
conjunction with the left and right ones! AHHH! Having to tick through 4 or
5 parameters just to get to the one starting the next line drives me up the
wall! I'm serious!!! When I'm editing, I want to be editing quickly, not
fidgeting through this minuscule text only LCD that's fairly comporable to
the one on my 15 year old MMT8! The MMT8 is even quicker to file through
when editing!

Byron


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  Subject: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)



  Just thought I summarize some of the things we have listed in the Wishlist
Database, see if anyone has any other ideas.  Keep in mind, I only included
things that could be reasonably implemented with an OS update (at least as
far as I know), so items such as "a larger display" or "USB device for back
up" wouldn't be feasible here, and thus weren't included.
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  1. A way to see if a Preset is saved in Pattern or not as you scroll
through them in Preset view.  This would make it easier to free up memory
and overwrite User Presets that are no longer being used.  Similarly, a way
to erase or reset all unused Presets at once.

  2. The ability to record or enter Track Mutes in a Pattern and Song.

  3. A means to select and add a measure of silence at the end of a Pattern
while in real time record mode.  this would allow you to avoid writing over
the beginning of a Pattern when it loops around.

  4. The ability to make a layer sample playback in reverse.

  5. An Undo (Revert To Saved) keyboard shortcut, to make undoing a bad take
easier and faster.


  etc, ect, etc, yada, yada, yada....

RE: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

2002-08-27 by Brooks Rongstad

I suppose everyone wants the ability to create user Drum-Kits. I just had to 
say it again; such a great feature this would be!

Brooks

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Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

2002-08-27 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Measure 33?

rEalm





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--- erik_magrini@... wrote:
> 3. A means to select and add a measure of silence at the end of a
> Pattern  while in real time record mode.  this would allow you to
> avoid writing over the beginning of a Pattern when it loops around.

Try setting the pattern length to be one bar longer... it's
non-destructive and when you're done recording dial it back.


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RE: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

2002-08-27 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com


Definitely, I also forgot to add an easier (well, quicker really) way to select a channel for editing. ;Having to scroll through all the channels in order to get to a Preset for tweaking in the heat of the moment is my current gripe. Oh yeah, and damn if I haven't accidentally powered down my unit 5 times in the last two days. I look up just in time to see it go

1...0.... bye bye!

Doh!

rEalm
(a beer holder on the side would be cool too)




"Brooks Rongstad"

08/27/02 12:10 PM
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I suppose everyone wants the ability to create user Drum-Kits. I just had to
say it again; such a great feature this would be!

Brooks

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Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

2002-08-27 by aeon

On 8/27/02 12:10 PM, "Brooks Rongstad"
<mrbrooksy@...> wrote:

> I suppose everyone wants the ability to create
> user Drum-Kits. I just had to say it again;
> such a great feature this would be!

indeed, a painless way to do it would be great.

in the meantime, I have found that clever use
of the 4-layer architecture with linked patches
can get you a custom drumkit that is exactly
as you like.

that said, I use a MachineDrum or Nord Modular
for drums most days, and leave the XL-7 to do
what it does best...drums not being one of them. ;)


cheers,
aeon

Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

2002-08-27 by Neila Eliphas Spare

I may have missed it, but seemed to me you left out some sort of feature that resembled "megamix".
I'd also like to be see:
1. The ablity to save control setups (as well as global effects and master apprigio setups) with a pattern. Making things more pattern specific.
2. Ability to erase all data on a track(s) without having to cease play of a pattern before OR after the erase.
3. Ability to have all note data and such that is triggered by an apprigio be recorded on to the track, as opposed to simply having the ability to select an apprigio and then having note on data trigger the start of the apprigio.
5. Fix the bug that causes currently apprigios to stop playing if you scroll through (in any fashion) through a track that happens to currently have an apprgio going.
6. Ability to make a track selection within one to two button presses (not having to scroll with the data wheel or track buttons)
7. A way to jump from pattern mode and song mode without having to cease play (or having a freeze up occur)
There's my two cents.
Which I'll just note, I'm not sure that you'd be able to get waveforms to play backwards simply through an OS change. Not saying it can't be done, but I'm thinking it couldn't be. Pretty certain that you're looking at something that lies more in the capability of the synth engine in that regard, and not something that is an OS issue. ; (though hey, I may be wrong).
Respects,
Aaron Nesby
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Just thought I summarize some of the things we have listed in the Wishlist Database, see if anyone has any other ideas. Keep in mind, I only included things that could be reasonably implemented with an OS update (at least as far as I know), so items such as "a larger display" or "USB device for back up" wouldn't be feasible here, and thus weren't included.
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1. A way to see if a Preset is saved in Pattern or not as you scroll through them in Preset view. This would make it easier to free up memory and overwrite User Presets that are no longer being used. Similarly, a way to erase or reset all unused Presets at once.

2. The ability to record or enter Track Mutes in a Pattern and Song.

3. A means to select and add a measure of silence at the end of a Pattern while in real time record mode. this would allow you to avoid writing over the beginning of a Pattern when it loops around.

4. The ability to make a layer sample playback in reverse.

5. An Undo (Revert To Saved) keyboard shortcut, to make undoing a bad take easier and faster.

6. The ability to use Arppegiators as gating devices, so that they could be set to control velocity as well as note ons.

7. Short cuts or button presses that would allow you to latch the Arppegiator (as well as turn it on or off) on the current track, without needing to go into the Preset Edit menus.

8. A way to select the current ARP by holding down the ARP button and scrolling with the data wheel.

9. Finer increments of Tempo resolution. IE, tempos smaller than whole numbers.

10. Change the Mix View settings so that it only shows 16 channels at a time, but with increased resolution for each channel. It's too difficult to accurately see your volume levels with 32 channels on the screen at once.

11. Track selection scrolling. IE, if you are on Track 16 and press +, the track should jump to Track 1, not remain at Track 16.

12. The ability to assign a 16 step recorded phrase as an Arppegiator, instead of having to enter it step by step.

13. Real-time erase with range selection. Instead of having to hold the actual notes you want to delete while in real-time record, you should be able to hold the highest and lowest notes and everything in-between that range will get deleted.

14. The ability to turn on a feature that would let all actions send out sysex data.

15. The ability to stop at a certain measure while in grid recording.

16. A way to set up markers within longer Patterns, so that only the measures within that range will loop, making editing sections of larger Patterns easier.

17. A front panel short cut to the Randomize Preset function.

18. The ability to jump to a new Tempo without having to scroll to it, similar to the way Pattern Selection works during Playback.

19. A means to filter different MIDI information before it gets sent to the MIDI outs, IE filter out program changes, CC's, etc.

20. A way to store and recall different Mute Button scenes within Patterns, so that each pattern can have more than 1 Mute status saved with it.

21. The ability to specify whether Preset and FX Send information is also copied when you copy a Track to a new Track.

22. The ability to assign an Arppegiator as well as Note number and Preset to each of the Trigger buttons.

23. A Preset Editor and/or Librarian included as part of E-Loader, so that user don't have to rely on sysex dumps for their Preset management.

24. A way to select new Patterns without having to scroll. Similar to RPS and RPPR functions.

25. Real-time preview of quantize settings in Pattern Edit so you can hear your changes as you make them, as well as new Groove Quantize features.

26. A Record Replace mode, not just Record Overdub.

27. The means to a shift an entire track by a certain amount, ticks and quarter notes.

28. The ability to record and playback sysex in order to make changes to external gear.

29. Triggers should be syncable (quantizeable) to tempo, so that playback is in time with the pattern when you activate a Trigger/BTS.

30. The ability to burn ROMs directly in the XL-7, without the need for an Emu sampler.

31. A way to allow the 16 knobs to control Volume, Pan, and Note Values for each step while in Grid mode, similar to an analog style step-sequencer.

32. A means to dim the Lamp Socket via software.

33. The ability to select whether the XX-7 will let the selection of a new Pattern change the tempo to the value saved with that Pattern, instead of having the tempo remain the same from Pattern to Pattern while playing back.

34. A way to erase an entire Pattern at once, including Mute status.

35. Change the front panel power button sot hat it must be held for 3 seconds before it begins the count down to Power Off in order to prevent accidentally powering down live.

36. The ability for the Pattern Mute status to be carried over when selecting a new Pattern to allow smoother switching between drastically different Patterns.

37. A way to select if the Pan and Volume knobs are set to control Tracks or MIDI channels.

38. The means to swap out tracks from other patterns during play back, allowing you to slowly morph from one pattern to another on a Track by Track basis. Similar to Megamixing.

rEalm

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Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

2002-08-27 by Neila Eliphas Spare

I'll forever be baffled as to how people keep on powering down their units by accident. What on earth are you doing to hit the power button aside from when you need to?
Respects,
; Aaron Nesby
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Definitely, I also forgot to add an easier (well, quicker really) way to select a channel for editing. Having to scroll through all the channels in order to get to a Preset for tweaking in the heat of the moment is my current gripe. Oh yeah, and damn if I haven't accidentally powered down my unit 5 times in the last two days. I look up just in time to see it go

1...0.... bye bye!

Doh!

rEalm
(a beer holder on the side would be cool too)




"Brooks Rongstad"

08/27/02 12:10 PM
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I suppose everyone wants the ability to create user Drum-Kits. I just had to
say it again; such a great feature this would be!

Brooks

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Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

2002-08-27 by Neila Eliphas Spare

*LoL*
Looks like I'm not the only one that thought of the patch with links idea.
Anyhow, how do yo ulike the MachineDrum? I've been thinking heavily about getting one in the future but I'm still shaky on the idea.
;
Also, in regard to the XL-7 in regard to drumming, I've actually been able to squeeze some pretty interesting drum patches out of it.
I won't go into detail here (if someone would like me to later, I'll see about doing a more detailed write up on it), but I will say first off
that the drums I've looked at developing have been more along electronic sounding line than real life (which where real drums are concerned, I just assume sample those). Anyhow, there are all sorts of interesting modulations you can setup with the Command Station as I'm sure you all know. At times, this actually can be used to implement degrees of FM synthesis. One should keep this in mind, as such can help a long way when looking at creating drum patches (espcially cymbal crashes and such). God only knows why I do this, with the exception of one, every time I've obtained a Rompler type synth, I start going about trying to figure out how to get the damn thing to sound analouge; checking out how closely I can get it to mimic analouge gear. Anyhow, I'll say for the XL-7, the results I got out of it startled me more than just a little.......a whole hell of a lot to tell the truth. Literally, to a degree (though I know it 's not), I actually look at the damn thing as being a VA at times.
Anyhow, with the degree that it's able to emulate analouge and with some FM ability already lying there (not to mention a billion other waveform types for you to mess with outside of basic squares, triangles, etc.), just look at the thing as a drum synth. You really will probably be surprised at how well it will respond to you in acting as such. Then of course, you can always use the drums you've created in drumkits. =)
Respect,
Aaron Nesby
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On 8/27/02 12:10 PM, "Brooks Rongstad"
<mrbrooksy@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I suppose everyone wants the ability to create
> user Drum-Kits. I just had to say it again;
> such a great feature this would be!

indeed, a painless way to do it would be great.

in the meantime, I have found that clever use
of the 4-layer architecture with linked patches
can get you a custom drumkit that is exactly
as you like.

that said, I use a MachineDrum or Nord Modular
for drums most days, and leave the XL-7 to do
what it does best...drums not being one of them. ;)


cheers,
aeon


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Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

2002-08-27 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

I am baffled that you can't concieve of the easy answer. WE ARE CLUMSY FOOLS!
Also if it was truly an unlikely occurence then why bother even with the countdown? Problem is, is that the countdown is still not good enough, as it requires some special attention when during a live gig, ones attention is on 20 things at the same time.
Actually for me it happens when I am running 4 things at a time as I do often live. Do you play live? It seems that I must be grazing the on/off button when executing a quick filter sweep. I can't replicate it if I try, but give me 10 minutes of fast and furious working the box and another box or synth at the same time and it is bound to happen. I just keep my eye on the display to watch for the countdown. I haven't taken the box out live yet and can imagine that I could be distracted enough to have a catastrophe. I play in jazz type improvisational bands and I spend a lot time looking at the players, not the gear.
I don't know about you, but even a 1 percent chance of something bad happening is far to great a risk when playing in front of an audience, especially the bigger the gig. In a huge gig I would remove the button altogether as another has mentioned or tape a small hard box over it.
Despite your bafflement, I think E-mu didn't think this out. Other manufacturers have thought it out and use a hard switch (yamaha, roland) or require a lengthy hold (Waldorf).
All they need to do, if they can't require a hard hold countdown, is to make the countdown abort upon any incoming data, whether midi data from an external source or data cause by pressing buttons or turning knobs on the box itself. Such would be almost foolproof.
;
The BEST solution is to allow one to choose to disable the function of the button completely in software. One can always use the back switch, or in a rack situation, one can disable it in critical situations.
Ravi
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I'll forever be baffled as to how people keep on powering down their units by accident. What on earth are you doing to hit the power button aside from when you need to?
Respects,
Aaron Nesby
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Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)


Definitely, I also forgot to add an easier (well, quicker really) way to select a channel for editing. Having to scroll through all the channels in order to get to a Preset for tweaking in the heat of the moment is my current gripe. Oh yeah, and damn if I haven't accidentally powered down my unit 5 times in the last two days. I look up just in time to see it go

1...0.... bye bye!

Doh!

rEalm
(a beer holder on the side would be cool too)




"Brooks Rongstad"

08/27/02 12:10 PM
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I suppose everyone wants the ability to create user Drum-Kits. I just had to
say it again; such a great feature this would be!

Brooks

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Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

2002-08-28 by Neila Eliphas Spare

Yeah, I do play live (been doing so since late 97 early 98). I've used various setups for live p.a.'s, but probably my longest lasting was composed of an SU-700, QS6, 777 (which I had running into it's own delay system [Digitech of some order]), Alpha Juno 1, Juno 106 (the Alpha and 1 both being controlled mainly from an MMT-8 sequencer wise), MC-505, and every now and then a guitar being thrown in (on one occasion [I will admit, Cubase was added as an additional sequencer to everything else). Anyhow, I haven't done a live event of any order for about the past 6 months now. Though essientially, the entire foundation of any music I work on is essientially based on me first being able to play it live (in that way, I still run with some sort of setup geared in the same way I would a live p.a. setup). Just the way I have my stuff set up, I never end up even coming close to the power button on the Command Station with out meaning to. AGAIN, like I said, I really think it's just a difference in setups that cause the problem.
Didn't mean to offend you (feel like I did), just honestly meant that I don't understand how the problem is occuring. Still don't really. *shrug*
But you're right, guess somewhere along the line, it was problem enough for EMU to feel they had to conduct some sort of failsafe against it.
And just for the record, I'm not sure if I've ever played the perfect live p.a. Seems at some point, something (at least to a small degree) will go wrong. I've found work arounds to most of my most frequently found problems, however the solutions also mean conducting in the p.a. in a manner that I simply wouldn't feel comfortable doing. Every time a mistake is made (espically during the rare times that it's one I can't recover from), yeah I feel like there's a billion and one eyes all looking at me in recognition of the mistake. Course at the end of it all, I come to realize 98 percent of the time nobody really even noticed my mistake.....so I've come to loosen up at least a little about what mistakes I make. Like I said though, found work arounds to the problem (and I don't mean by using DAT or anything like that), I just elect not to go that route, in a small way, the mistakes make the whole thing more real to me; and aside from that, making a mistake has come to make me (more often than not) take things in directions that I never planned on taking them (typically as a recovery to the mistake)......they can come to force me to improvise, and bring out new things. So, there's good and bad to that whole idea (differing according to work methods of course) of mistakes in the long run I would think.
Ultimately, agree with you, it's the more options the better. Never no when you may find a use for a feature you never used before. =)
Respect,
Aaron Nesby
Show quoted textHide quoted text
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

I am baffled that you can't concieve of the easy answer. WE ARE CLUMSY FOOLS!
Also if it was truly an unlikely occurence then why bother even with the countdown? Problem is, is that the countdown is still not good enough, as it requires some special attention when during a live gig, ones attention is on 20 things at the same time.
Actually for me it happens when I am running 4 things at a time as I do often live. Do you play live? It seems that I must be grazing the on/off button when executing a quick filter sweep. I can't replicate it if I try, but give me 10 minutes of fast and furious working the box and another box or synth at the same time and it is bound to happen. I just keep my eye on the display to watch for the countdown. I haven't taken the box out live yet and can imagine that I could be distracted enough to have a catastrophe. I play in jazz type improvisational bands and I spend a lot time looking at the players, not the gear.
I don't know about you, but even a 1 percent chance of something bad happening is far to great a risk when playing in front of an audience, especially the bigger the gig. In a huge gig I would remove the button altogether as another has mentioned or tape a small hard box over it.
Despite your bafflement, I think E-mu didn't think this out. Other manufacturers have thought it out and use a hard switch (yamaha, roland) or require a lengthy hold (Waldorf).
All they need to do, if they can't require a hard hold countdown, is to make the countdown abort upon any incoming data, whether midi data from an external source or data cause by pressing buttons or turning knobs on the box itself. Such would be almost foolproof.
The BEST solution is to allow one to choose to disable the function of the button completely in software. One can always use the back switch, or in a rack situation, one can disable it in critical situations.
Ravi
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

I'll forever be baffled as to how people keep on powering down their units by accident. What on earth are you doing to hit the power button aside from when you need to?
Respects,
Aaron Nesby
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)


Definitely, I also forgot to add an easier (well, quicker really) way to select a channel for editing. Having to scroll through all the channels in order to get to a Preset for tweaking in the heat of the moment is my current gripe. Oh yeah, and damn if I haven't accidentally powered down my unit 5 times in the last two days. I look up just in time to see it go

1...0.... bye bye!

Doh!

rEalm
(a beer holder on the side would be cool too)




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I suppose everyone wants the ability to create user Drum-Kits. I just had to
say it again; such a great feature this would be!

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Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

2002-08-28 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

Not offended at all. And I didn't mean to offend you by implying that you can't play or anything. Some of use are less precise that's all, can't you understand that? I hope so. (shrug)
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Yeah, I do play live (been doing so since late 97 early 98). I've used various setups for live p.a.'s, but probably my longest lasting was composed of an SU-700, QS6, 777 (which I had running into it's own delay system [Digitech of some order]), Alpha Juno 1, Juno 106 (the Alpha and 1 both being controlled mainly from an MMT-8 sequencer wise), MC-505, and every now and then a guitar being thrown in (on one occasion [I will admit, Cubase was added as an additional sequencer to everything else). Anyhow, I haven't done a live event of any order for about the past 6 months now. Though essientially, the entire foundation of any music I work on is essientially based on me first being able to play it live (in that way, I still run with some sort of setup geared in the same way I would a live p.a. setup). Just the way I have my stuff set up, I never end up even coming close to the power button on the Command Station with out meaning to. AGAIN, like I said, I really think it's just a difference in setups that cause the problem.
Didn't mean to offend you (feel like I did), just honestly meant that I don't understand how the problem is occuring. Still don't really. *shrug*
But you're right, guess somewhere along the line, it was problem enough for EMU to feel they had to conduct some sort of failsafe against it.
And just for the record, I'm not sure if I've ever played the perfect live p.a. Seems at some point, something (at least to a small degree) will go wrong. I've found work arounds to most of my most frequently found problems, however the solutions also mean conducting in the p.a. in a manner that I simply wouldn't feel comfortable doing. Every time a mistake is made (espically during the rare times that it's one I can't recover from), yeah I feel like there's a billion and one eyes all looking at me in recognition of the mistake. Course at the end of it all, I come to realize 98 percent of the time nobody really even noticed my mistake.....so I've come to loosen up at least a little about what mistakes I make. Like I said though, found work arounds to the problem (and I don't mean by using DAT or anything like that), I just elect not to go that route, in a small way, the mistakes make the whole thing more real to me; and aside from that, making a mistake has come to make me (more often than not) take things in directions that I never planned on taking them (typically as a recovery to the mistake)......they can come to force me to improvise, and bring out new things. So, there's good and bad to that whole idea (differing according to work methods of course) of mistakes in the long run I would think.
Ultimately, agree with you, it's the more options the better. Never no when you may find a use for a feature you never used before. =)
Respect,
; Aaron Nesby
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

I am baffled that you can't concieve of the easy answer. WE ARE CLUMSY FOOLS!
;
Also if it was truly an unlikely occurence then why bother even with the countdown? Problem is, is that the countdown is still not good enough, as it requires some special attention when during a live gig, ones attention is on 20 things at the same time.
Actually for me it happens when I am running 4 things at a time as I do often live. Do you play live? It seems that I must be grazing the on/off button when executing a quick filter sweep. I can't replicate it if I try, but give me 10 minutes of fast and furious working the box and another box or synth at the same time and it is bound to happen. I just keep my eye on the display to watch for the countdown. I haven't taken the box out live yet and can imagine that I could be distracted enough to have a catastrophe. I play in jazz type improvisational bands and I spend a lot time looking at the players, not the gear.
I don't know about you, but even a 1 percent chance of something bad happening is far to great a risk when playing in front of an audience, especially the bigger the gig. In a huge gig I would remove the button altogether as another has mentioned or tape a small hard box over it.
Despite your bafflement, I think E-mu didn't think this out. Other manufacturers have thought it out and use a hard switch (yamaha, roland) or require a lengthy hold (Waldorf).
All they need to do, if they can't require a hard hold countdown, is to make the countdown abort upon any incoming data, whether midi data from an external source or data cause by pressing buttons or turning knobs on the box itself. Such would be almost foolproof.
The BEST solution is to allow one to choose to disable the function of the button completely in software. One can always use the back switch, or in a rack situation, one can disable it in critical situations.
Ravi
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

I'll forever be baffled as to how people keep on powering down their units by accident. What on earth are you doing to hit the power button aside from when you need to?
Respects,
Aaron Nesby
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)


Definitely, I also forgot to add an easier (well, quicker really) way to select a channel for editing. Having to scroll through all the channels in order to get to a Preset for tweaking in the heat of the moment is my current gripe. Oh yeah, and damn if I haven't accidentally powered down my unit 5 times in the last two days. I look up just in time to see it go

1...0.... bye bye!

Doh!

rEalm
(a beer holder on the side would be cool too)




"Brooks Rongstad"

08/27/02 12:10 PM
Please respond to xl7


To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
cc:
Subject: RE: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)


I suppose everyone wants the ability to create user Drum-Kits. I just had to
say it again; such a great feature this would be!

Brooks

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Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

2002-08-28 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

But I think I know how it happens:
For me: I can easily smack the off button with my middle finger when I quickly put my hand down on the edge of the unit while grabbing the cutoff knob between my forefinger and thumb. The side of my hand (below the little finger)goes to a resting position on the edge of the unit. That must be what happens. This isn't 99.9 percent of the time mind you. But that must be it. I must learn to be dainty.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

Yeah, I do play live (been doing so since late 97 early 98). I've used various setups for live p.a.'s, but probably my longest lasting was composed of an SU-700, QS6, 777 (which I had running into it's own delay system [Digitech of some order]), Alpha Juno 1, Juno 106 (the Alpha and 1 both being controlled mainly from an MMT-8 sequencer wise), MC-505, and every now and then a guitar being thrown in (on one occasion [I will admit, Cubase was added as an additional sequencer to everything else). Anyhow, I haven't done a live event of any order for about the past 6 months now. Though essientially, the entire foundation of any music I work on is essientially based on me first being able to play it live (in that way, I still run with some sort of setup geared in the same way I would a live p.a. setup). Just the way I have my stuff set up, I never end up even coming close to the power button on the Command Station with out meaning to. AGAIN, like I said, I really think it's just a difference in setups that cause the problem.
Didn't mean to offend you (feel like I did), just honestly meant that I don't understand how the problem is occuring. Still don't really. *shrug*
But you're right, guess somewhere along the line, it was problem enough for EMU to feel they had to conduct some sort of failsafe against it.
And just for the record, I'm not sure if I've ever played the perfect live p.a. Seems at some point, something (at least to a small degree) will go wrong. I've found work arounds to most of my most frequently found problems, however the solutions also mean conducting in the p.a. in a manner that I simply wouldn't feel comfortable doing. Every time a mistake is made (espically during the rare times that it's one I can't recover from), yeah I feel like there's a billion and one eyes all looking at me in recognition of the mistake. Course at the end of it all, I come to realize 98 percent of the time nobody really even noticed my mistake.....so I've come to loosen up at least a little about what mistakes I make. Like I said though, found work arounds to the problem (and I don't mean by using DAT or anything like that), I just elect not to go that route, in a small way, the mistakes make the whole thing more real to me; and aside from that, making a mistake has come to make me (more often than not) take things in directions that I never planned on taking them (typically as a recovery to the mistake)......they can come to force me to improvise, and bring out new things. So, there's good and bad to that whole idea (differing according to work methods of course) of mistakes in the long run I would think.
Ultimately, agree with you, it's the more options the better. Never no when you may find a use for a feature you never used before. =)
Respect,
Aaron Nesby
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

I am baffled that you can't concieve of the easy answer. WE ARE CLUMSY FOOLS!
Also if it was truly an unlikely occurence then why bother even with the countdown? Problem is, is that the countdown is still not good enough, as it requires some special attention when during a live gig, ones attention is on 20 things at the same time.
Actually for me it happens when I am running 4 things at a time as I do often live. Do you play live? It seems that I must be grazing the on/off button when executing a quick filter sweep. I can't replicate it if I try, but give me 10 minutes of fast and furious working the box and another box or synth at the same time and it is bound to happen. I just keep my eye on the display to watch for the countdown. I haven't taken the box out live yet and can imagine that I could be distracted enough to have a catastrophe. I play in jazz type improvisational bands and I spend a lot time looking at the players, not the gear.
I don't know about you, but even a 1 percent chance of something bad happening is far to great a risk when playing in front of an audience, especially the bigger the gig. In a huge gig I would remove the button altogether as another has mentioned or tape a small hard box over it.
Despite your bafflement, I think E-mu didn't think this out. Other manufacturers have thought it out and use a hard switch (yamaha, roland) or require a lengthy hold (Waldorf).
All they need to do, if they can't require a hard hold countdown, is to make the countdown abort upon any incoming data, whether midi data from an external source or data cause by pressing buttons or turning knobs on the box itself. Such would be almost foolproof.
The BEST solution is to allow one to choose to disable the function of the button completely in software. One can always use the back switch, or in a rack situation, one can disable it in critical situations.
Ravi
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

I'll forever be baffled as to how people keep on powering down their units by accident. What on earth are you doing to hit the power button aside from when you need to?
Respects,
; Aaron Nesby
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)


Definitely, I also forgot to add an easier (well, quicker really) way to select a channel for editing. Having to scroll through all the channels in order to get to a Preset for tweaking in the heat of the moment is my current gripe. Oh yeah, and damn if I haven't accidentally powered down my unit 5 times in the last two days. I look up just in time to see it go

1...0.... bye bye!

Doh!

rEalm
(a beer holder on the side would be cool too)




"Brooks Rongstad"

08/27/02 12:10 PM
Please respond to xl7


To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
cc:
Subject: RE: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)


I suppose everyone wants the ability to create user Drum-Kits. I just had to
say it again; such a great feature this would be!

Brooks

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The solution for all you "clumsy fools"...

2002-08-28 by Aaron

...myself being one of them!

Really simple (and I've mentioned this before).

    Remove the button.

That's it.  It pops off (and reattaches if you're worried) pretty
easily.  Without the button, you can still turn the unit off and on
with the front panel, but you have to very explicitly put your finger
in the hole.

Works like a charm; I've had my unit like that from day one.

-Aaron

--- Ravi Ivan Sharma <noision1@...> wrote:
> I am baffled that you can't concieve of the easy answer. WE ARE
> CLUMSY FOOLS!
> 
> Also if it was truly an unlikely occurence then why bother even with
> the countdown? Problem is, is that the countdown is still not good
> enough, as it requires some special attention when during a live gig,
> ones attention is on 20 things at the same time.


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Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

2002-08-28 by Brooks Rongstad

>1.  The ablity to save control setups (as well as global effects and master 
>apprigio setups) with a pattern.  Making things more pattern specific.

AMEN!!!!!


>2.  Ability to erase all data on a track(s) without having to cease play of 
>a pattern before OR after the erase.


HALLELIUIA(sp)!!!!


>5.  Fix the bug that causes currently apprigios to stop playing if you 
>scroll through (in any fashion) through a track that happens to currently 
>have an apprgio going.

TESTIFY!!! This sucks ass because it even happens to an external synth 
playing an arpeggiator!


>6.  Ability to make a track selection within one to two button presses (not 
>having to scroll with the data wheel or track buttons)

YES...YES...YES!!!!!!!!!!



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Re: [xl7] The solution for all you "clumsy fools"...

2002-08-28 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

You don't need to remove the board to get to it?  Wow, never thought we'd 
see a hardware update from Emu!  :)

rEalm





...myself being one of them!

Really simple (and I've mentioned this before).

    Remove the button.

Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

2002-08-28 by Neila Eliphas Spare

Bingo! Well, I can finally say I understand how the problem occurs now. I can't even imagine how annoyed I would be if I ran into the problem of how I prefer to handle/grip my gear at times caused me to confront a constant problem of having the darn machine turn off.
Blah though.....hopefully you might see something from the EMU guys that can help you out there.
Respects,
Aaron Nesby
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

But I think I know how it happens:
For me: I can easily smack the off button with my middle finger when I quickly put my hand down on the edge of the unit while grabbing the cutoff knob between my forefinger and thumb. The side of my hand (below the little finger)goes to a resting position on the edge of the unit. That must be what happens. This isn't 99.9 percent of the time mind you. But that must be it. I must learn to be dainty.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

Yeah, I do play live (been doing so since late 97 early 98). I've used various setups for live p.a.'s, but probably my longest lasting was composed of an SU-700, QS6, 777 (which I had running into it's own delay system [Digitech of some order]), Alpha Juno 1, Juno 106 (the Alpha and 1 both being controlled mainly from an MMT-8 sequencer wise), MC-505, and every now and then a guitar being thrown in (on one occasion [I will admit, Cubase was added as an additional sequencer to everything else). Anyhow, I haven't done a live event of any order for about the past 6 months now. Though essientially, the entire foundation of any music I work on is essientially based on me first being able to play it live (in that way, I still run with some sort of setup geared in the same way I would a live p.a. setup). Just the way I have my stuff set up, I never end up even coming close to the power button on the Command Station with out meaning to. AGAIN, like I said, I really think it's just a difference in setups that cause the problem.
Didn't mean to offend you (feel like I did), just honestly meant that I don't understand how the problem is occuring. Still don't really. *shrug*
But you're right, guess somewhere along the line, it was problem enough for EMU to feel they had to conduct some sort of failsafe against it.
And just for the record, I'm not sure if I've ever played the perfect live p.a. Seems at some point, something (at least to a small degree) will go wrong. I've found work arounds to most of my most frequently found problems, however the solutions also mean conducting in the p.a. in a manner that I simply wouldn't feel comfortable doing. Every time a mistake is made (espically during the rare times that it's one I can't recover from), yeah I feel like there's a billion and one eyes all looking at me in recognition of the mistake. Course at the end of it all, I come to realize 98 percent of the time nobody really even noticed my mistake.....so I've come to loosen up at least a little about what mistakes I make. Like I said though, found work arounds to the problem (and I don't mean by using DAT or anything like that), I just elect not to go that route, in a small way, the mistakes make the whole thing more real to me; and aside from that, making a mistake has come to make me (more often than not) take things in directions that I never planned on taking them (typically as a recovery to the mistake)......they can come to force me to improvise, and bring out new things. So, there's good and bad to that whole idea (differing according to work methods of course) of mistakes in the long run I would think.
Ultimately, agree with you, it's the more options the better. Never no when you may find a use for a feature you never used before. =)
Respect,
; Aaron Nesby
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

I am baffled that you can't concieve of the easy answer. WE ARE CLUMSY FOOLS!
Also if it was truly an unlikely occurence then why bother even with the countdown? Problem is, is that the countdown is still not good enough, as it requires some special attention when during a live gig, ones attention is on 20 things at the same time.
Actually for me it happens when I am running 4 things at a time as I do often live. Do you play live? It seems that I must be grazing the on/off button when executing a quick filter sweep. I can't replicate it if I try, but give me 10 minutes of fast and furious working the box and another box or synth at the same time and it is bound to happen. I just keep my eye on the display to watch for the countdown. I haven't taken the box out live yet and can imagine that I could be distracted enough to have a catastrophe. I play in jazz type improvisational bands and I spend a lot time looking at the players, not the gear.
I don't know about you, but even a 1 percent chance of something bad happening is far to great a risk when playing in front of an audience, especially the bigger the gig. In a huge gig I would remove the button altogether as another has mentioned or tape a small hard box over it.
Despite your bafflement, I think E-mu didn't think this out. Other manufacturers have thought it out and use a hard switch (yamaha, roland) or require a lengthy hold (Waldorf).
All they need to do, if they can't require a hard hold countdown, is to make the countdown abort upon any incoming data, whether midi data from an external source or data cause by pressing buttons or turning knobs on the box itself. Such would be almost foolproof.
The BEST solution is to allow one to choose to disable the function of the button completely in software. One can always use the back switch, or in a rack situation, one can disable it in critical situations.
Ravi
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

I'll forever be baffled as to how people keep on powering down their units by accident. What on earth are you doing to hit the power button aside from when you need to?
Respects,
Aaron Nesby
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)


Definitely, I also forgot to add an easier (well, quicker really) way to select a channel for editing. Having to scroll through all the channels in order to get to a Preset for tweaking in the heat of the moment is my current gripe. Oh yeah, and damn if I haven't accidentally powered down my unit 5 times in the last two days. I look up just in time to see it go

1...0.... bye bye!

Doh!

rEalm
(a beer holder on the side would be cool too)




"Brooks Rongstad"

08/27/02 12:10 PM
Please respond to xl7


; To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
cc:
Subject: RE: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)


I suppose everyone wants the ability to create user Drum-Kits. I just had to
say it again; such a great feature this would be!

Brooks

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Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see implemented (summary)

2002-08-30 by Isaac Mullins,Jr.

Get a MachineDrum.  You will not be disappointed.  It
is not quite as much fun as programming theMP7, but it
does come close.
Peace!
--- Neila Eliphas Spare <neilaworking@...>
wrote:
> *LoL* 
> Looks like I'm not the only one that thought of the
> patch with links idea.
> 
> Anyhow, how do yo ulike the MachineDrum?  I've been
> thinking heavily about getting one in the future but
> I'm still shaky on the idea.
> 
> Also, in regard to the XL-7 in regard to drumming,
> I've actually been able to squeeze some pretty
> interesting drum patches out of it.
> I won't go into detail here (if someone would like
> me to later, I'll see about doing a more detailed
> write up on it), but I will say first off
> that the drums I've looked at developing have been
> more along electronic sounding line than real life
> (which where real drums are concerned, I just assume
> sample those).  Anyhow, there are all sorts of
> interesting modulations you can setup with the
> Command Station as I'm sure you all know.  At times,
> this actually can be used to implement degrees of FM
> synthesis.  One should keep this in mind, as such
> can  help a long way when looking at creating drum
> patches (espcially cymbal crashes and such).  God
> only knows why I do this, with the exception of one,
> every time I've obtained a Rompler type synth, I
> start going about trying to figure out how to get
> the damn thing to sound analouge; checking out how
> closely I can get it to mimic analouge gear. 
> Anyhow, I'll say for the XL-7, the results I got out
> of it startled me more than just a little.......a
> whole hell of a lot to tell the truth.  Literally,
> to a degree (though I know it 's not), I actually
> look at the damn thing as being a VA at times.
> 
> Anyhow, with the degree that it's able to emulate
> analouge and with some FM ability already lying
> there (not to mention a billion other waveform types
> for you to mess with outside of basic squares,
> triangles, etc.), just look at the thing as a drum
> synth.  You really will probably be surprised at how
> well it will respond to you in acting as such.  Then
> of course, you can always use the drums you've
> created in drumkits.  =)
> 
> Respect,
> 
>             Aaron Nesby
> www.twenty3.tk
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: aeon 
>   To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:26 PM
>   Subject: Re: [xl7] OS ideas we'd like to see
> implemented (summary)
> 
> 
>   On 8/27/02 12:10 PM, "Brooks Rongstad"
>   <mrbrooksy@...> wrote:
> 
>   > I suppose everyone wants the ability to create
>   > user Drum-Kits. I just had to say it again;
>   > such a great feature this would be!
> 
>   indeed, a painless way to do it would be great.
> 
>   in the meantime, I have found that clever use
>   of the 4-layer architecture with linked patches
>   can get you a custom drumkit that is exactly
>   as you like.
> 
>   that said, I use a MachineDrum or Nord Modular
>   for drums most days, and leave the XL-7 to do
>   what it does best...drums not being one of them.
> ;)
> 
> 
>   cheers,
>   aeon
> 
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