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Hello everybody , does anyone know by any chance how to controll 
aTX802 or a DX7 with our Emu-box ? I know how to use the quick edit 
and programs controllers but I've only managed to control theTX's 
portamento,mod. and sustain switch which is not very much if one 
wants to change the sound drastically !(doesn't seem to respond to 
usuall midi control change like brightness etc..there must be a 
way..? )Thanks !

I don't recall for sure, but I THINK that nothing else was controllable at
all (it's all sysex). Maybe the data slider is though, I haven't owned a DX
in a while. Try CC# 6 out, that may be it. Maybe the breath control is to, I
cant recall. I DO remeber that the only way to change OP routing number was
by using the data slider in realtime, unless you have a pc1600 of course.

ByronIV

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> Hello everybody , does anyone know by any chance how to controll
> aTX802 or a DX7 with our Emu-box ? I know how to use the quick edit
> and programs controllers but I've only managed to control theTX's
> portamento,mod. and sustain switch which is not very much if one
> wants to change the sound drastically !(doesn't seem to respond to
> usuall midi control change like brightness etc..there must be a
> way..? )Thanks !
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Thanks for your answer ; you're right, everything else must be sent 
by syssex and not cc's as I've already tried with a Kenton Control 
Freak I know it's possible ,just want to know what are those sysex 
messages and if it's possible to send it from theXl7...
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "ByronIV" <byron@l...> wrote:
> I don't recall for sure, but I THINK that nothing else was 
controllable at
> all (it's all sysex). Maybe the data slider is though, I haven't 
owned a DX
> in a while. Try CC# 6 out, that may be it. Maybe the breath control 
is to, I
> cant recall. I DO remeber that the only way to change OP routing 
number was
> by using the data slider in realtime, unless you have a pc1600 of 
course.
> 
> ByronIV
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: grillon6 <grillon3@h...> [mailto:grillon3@h...]
> > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 3:37 PM
> > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [xl7] Xl7 controlling DX7 ?
> >
> >
> > Hello everybody , does anyone know by any chance how to controll
> > aTX802 or a DX7 with our Emu-box ? I know how to use the quick 
edit
> > and programs controllers but I've only managed to control theTX's
> > portamento,mod. and sustain switch which is not very much if one
> > wants to change the sound drastically !(doesn't seem to respond to
> > usuall midi control change like brightness etc..there must be a
> > way..? )Thanks !
> >
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I don't personally know much of anything about sysex string messageing,
beyond the concept and basic syntax of it. But I do know that the xl7 can't
control it. I had originally but that on my personal request list for the OS
upgrade, however I really would doubt that it was implemented into it.

ByronIV

> Thanks for your answer ; you're right, everything else must be sent
> by syssex and not cc's as I've already tried with a Kenton Control
> Freak I know it's possible ,just want to know what are those sysex
> messages and if it's possible to send it from theXl7...
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "ByronIV" <byron@l...> wrote:
> > I don't recall for sure, but I THINK that nothing else was
> controllable at
> > all (it's all sysex). Maybe the data slider is though, I haven't
> owned a DX
> > in a while. Try CC# 6 out, that may be it. Maybe the breath control
> is to, I
> > cant recall. I DO remeber that the only way to change OP routing
> number was
> > by using the data slider in realtime, unless you have a pc1600 of
> course.
> >
> > ByronIV
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On 2/15/03 4:37 PM, "grillon6 <grillon3@...>" <grillon3@...>
wrote:

> Hello everybody , does anyone know by any chance how to controll
> aTX802 or a DX7 with our Emu-box ? I know how to use the quick edit
> and programs controllers but I've only managed to control theTX's
> portamento,mod. and sustain switch which is not very much if one
> wants to change the sound drastically !(doesn't seem to respond to
> usuall midi control change like brightness etc..there must be a
> way..? )Thanks ! 
> 

Well for a 20 year old synth we should be grateful it speaks MIDI at all
(this being the 20th anniversary of MIDI) :-)

All kidding aside, the DX-7 is a SYSEX monster but it also has a wonderful
performance-oriented control system that you can tap into.  Its been a
*long* time since I plumbed its depths but I recall that it has ModWheel
(CC01), BreathControl (CC02), FootControl (CC04) and volume (CC07) and
aftertouch.  These can be configured within each patch to control important
facets of the sound, which (with some knowledge of FM programming) give you
a similar result to filter cutoff or envelop amount.  So the prospects are
not as wide open as say a typical new synth but there are some good things
you can do.

One obscure note, one of the controllers the DX responds to is CC06, data
entry slider.  if you select a parameter in the DX(TX) and then send this
message from say the XX-7 you can control a single parameter of your choice
in real-time.  This can be used as a work-around in some instances.


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