Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Hello

I'm considering the purchase of one of the XX-7's.  I have been reading 
FAQ's/ Manuals and archives of this group but have not found any info 
re: which--if any--front panel commands for XX-7 are available via 
MIDI.

I know that patch changes and notes can be received for sequencing or 
playing an arpegiator.  But what I'm after is:  Can Triggers be fired-
off via MIDI note/cc/pc.  My primary objective is to be able to 
dynamically change performance playback parameters live--in real time 
via MIDI (a Behringer FCB-1010 to be exact).  I read of a "faux RPS 
function" that appeals to me.

I'm a guitar player--so my hands will be occupied--hence my inquirey.

Thanks,

Rob Michael

PS.  IMO--This group is as significant a "feature" of this machine as 
the ones EMU built into it....

--- rob_michael_2002 <rob_michael_2002@...> wrote:
> But what I'm after is:  Can Triggers be fired-off via MIDI note

Triggers *are* just MIDI notes.  Are you perhaps thinking part mutes
being MIDI transmittable?  In that case, no.  (at least I don't think so...)

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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "rob_michael_2002" 
<rob_michael_2002@y...> wrote:
> Can Triggers be fired- off via MIDI note/cc/pc.

>  My primary objective is to be able to dynamically change
> performance playback parameters live--in real time 
> via MIDI (a Behringer FCB-1010 to be exact).

Can you give examples of:
(1) what you might want to trigger (other than notes, arps, etc.)
(2) what type of midi data the FCB sends
(3) what kinds of things you might want to control via midi.

The Commad Station trigger button bank can be set to:
(1) Play note events,
(2) Play beats parts, or
(3) Select patterns.

However, if your goal is to have the FCB send out continuous 
controller data, you can route that to a variety of parameters via 
the E-Mu patchcords.

As well, you can use the FCB buttons [programmed presets] do stuff on 
the E-Mu, too.  Its just a matter of deciding what you want to 
control and getting the FCB and the E-Mu to agree.

Hope this helps.

Dr. Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote:
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "rob_michael_2002" 
> <rob_michael_2002@y...> wrote:
> > Can Triggers be fired- off via MIDI note/cc/pc.
> 
> >  My primary objective is to be able to dynamically change
> > performance playback parameters live--in real time 
> > via MIDI (a Behringer FCB-1010 to be exact).
> 
> Can you give examples of:
> (1) what you might want to trigger (other than notes, arps, etc.)


<<<<<My understanding is that triggers can be used (among other things) 
to bring parts of a sequence in and out (up to 16 of them as I recall).  
That alone would be GREAT  to be able to do with a foot controller>>>>>


> (2) what type of midi data the FCB sends


<<<<<3 types:  
a)PC's
b)CC:  both static (fixed value) and dynamic via (2)expression pedals
c) MIDI notes messeges>>>>>


> (3) what kinds of things you might want to control via midi.


<<<<<I guess I'm wanting to use an XX-7 as a substitute for Ableton's 
LIVE--this box seems to be a similar thing---just using midi seq.'s 
rather that audio files.  

I'm hoping to control:

1. Part mutes

2. The changing of one pattern to another.  

3. Some access to the Xmix functions sounds cool (but i'll be surprised 
if that is feasable).

4.  I would also play notes--using the XX-7 as a sound module via 
guitar synth controller--that part seems pretty straight-forward>>>>>>


> The Commad Station trigger button bank can be set to:
> (1) Play note events


<<<<<Guitar synth will do that...>>>>>


> (2) Play beats parts


<<<<<Need that....can I bring these in and out via MIDI instead of 
using the front panel buttons? ie:  hit a FCB preset to fire off a drum 
fill at the end of a song's section>>>>>


> (3) Select patterns.


<<<<<Need that...probably.  Although if I can get enough flexibility 
out of a single pattern--that may be superfluous>>>>>


> However, if your goal is to have the FCB send out continuous 
> controller data, you can route that to a variety of parameters via 
> the E-Mu patchcords.


<<<<<I would probably not send CC data that much--at least in the 
begining--later i may use them to control individual part volume or a 
filter's sweep>>>>

 
> As well, you can use the FCB buttons [programmed presets] do stuff on 
> the E-Mu, too.  Its just a matter of deciding what you want to 
> control and getting the FCB and the E-Mu to agree.


<<<<<Is there a comprehensive MIDI implimentation chart somewhere?---
that would likely answer most of my concerns>>>>>


 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Dr. Steve

<<<<<It helps a good deal....I appreciate your time very much.>>>>>

Rob Michael

Thanks for the details. I am spending some time on this today.

I use the ART-15 FC with a digital horn (and keyboard) to 
do CC end effects on/off with Roland's M-GS-64. (Its great for 
playing a guitar preset and then using CC to glide into harmonic 
feedback.) I would like to be able to do similar things with the E-
Mu. (Hands-free RT control, that is. Can't do the guitar thing--no 
factory preset and I haven't designed my own, yet.)

Can the FCB-1010 be programmed to send sysex commands--not its own 
dumps, but user defined sysex commands? (The X-15 can't.) The E-Mu 
has remote control capabilities via sysex. Unfortunately, it does 
not appear to be complete (unless I'm mistaken).

Via sysex, for example, you can switch the bank of 16 buttons between 
Track and Trigge Mode. In track mode, you can turn tracks 4 and 8 on 
and off remotely.

You can send data knob changes via remote control. So, if the front 
panel is set up on the unit itself to edit tempo, you can send a 
sysex command to turn the knob + or - any value to instantaneously 
change the tempo.

There's a lot of potential with remote control. Perhaps it will be 
more fully implemented in future OS upgrades (I hope.)

More later.

Dr. Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> The E-Mu 
> has remote control capabilities via sysex. Unfortunately, it does 
> not appear to be complete (unless I'm mistaken).
> 
> Via sysex, for example, you can switch the bank of 16 buttons 
between 
> Track and Trigge Mode. In track mode, you can turn tracks 4 and 8 
on 
> and off remotely.

Can you elaborate on this? There's no info on this in either the XL-7 
manual or the P2K sysex spec, as far as I've seen, and I've been 
asking about this kind of thing for a while...

Remote control muting is good. Does this mean you can control Direct 
Pattern Access via sysex?

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "robotchas" <robotchas@y...> wrote:
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
> wrote:
> > The E-Mu has remote control capabilities via sysex.
> > Unfortunately, it does not appear to be complete (unless I'm
> >  mistaken).
> > 
> > Via sysex, for example, you can switch the bank of 16 buttons
> > between Track and Trigger Mode. In track mode, you can turn
> > tracks 4 and 8 on and off remotely.
> 
> Can you elaborate on this? There's no info on this in either the
> XL-7 manual or the P2K sysex spec, as far as I've seen, and I've
> been asking about this kind of thing for a while...
> 
> Remote control muting is good. Does this mean you can control
> Direct Pattern Access via sysex?

I'd be happy to talk sysex.  Perhap we should take this discussion to 
IBGEEEK due to the estoteric nature oif the topic.  

Briefly, take a look at the sysex manual.  The latest version I've 
seen is 2.2. (I have a good feeling E-Mu might be evolving sysex.  At 
least I hope they are.)  I believe version 2, 2.1 and 2.2 all 
discussion remote control via sysex.

In a nutshell, you open an close remote control mode.  I suspect it 
was designed for the possibility of a software GUI. You have control 
over many things, including cursor, data knob, etc.  I see it more 
for set up than performance. If you open a session, sysex commands 
get outputted when you turn knobs--including the master volume.  I 
have found that between 0 and 127, the master volume knob is unstable 
(at least on my CS) and continually gives off sysex volume commands.

So far, I have found that only tracks 4 and 8 can be turned off and 
on via remote control.  Other buttons are more consistent. 

Again, I'd be happy to talk sysex more.  I suggest IBGEEK because its 
rather technical.  (BTW, I've been using an old version of Cakewalk 
Professional to get into E-Mu sysex.)

Dr. Steve

Can you post copies of any discussion there, here too?  I think it does 
relate and I'd at least like to have it in the message archives for use 
later if need be.  Just a suggestion.

rEalm





I'd be happy to talk sysex.  Perhap we should take this discussion to 
IBGEEEK due to the estoteric nature oif the topic. 

Again, I'd be happy to talk sysex more.  I suggest IBGEEK because its 
rather technical.  (BTW, I've been using an old version of Cakewalk 
Professional to get into E-Mu sysex.)









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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Can you post copies of any discussion there, here too?  I think it 
does 
> relate and I'd at least like to have it in the message archives for 
use 
> later if need be.  Just a suggestion.
> 
> rEalm

Unless others agree with you, I think it would be better to have the 
technical discussion (give and take) elsewhere with pithy concrete 
applications presented here.  Can you set up a poll?  Give it a 3-4 
day limit.  If more people want technical discussion of sysex here, 
I'll do it.  (Just so long as people who correct me if I make an 
exploratory mistake are polite.  I don't want a repeat of what grew 
out of a rebuke to a suggestion I made a few weeks back.  8-)> )

Dr. Steve