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hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...

hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...

2012-01-27 by Bakis Sirros

hi everyone,

new member here, my Name is Bakis.

recently bought an Xpander and have the following problem:

works and sounds great... ...apart from voice 5, which, after its shipping to me, does not pass the auto tune test.
sometimes the 'PW' section of it fails, sometimes the Res section fails, sometimes all the sections of voice 5 fail (except the vca section of voice 5 that never fails).
even if i activate the problematic voice, after its been automatically shut off by the Xpander OS, it sounds a bit different from the others in filter tone and tuning (of course, as it cannot be tuned,) and very very low in volume.
another weird thing i noticed: when i direct voice 5 in its 'direct' output 5, then, from this output, i can hear all of the xpander voices (together with voice 5) but very low in volume.
all the other direct outputs work as they should, for all the other voices.
i performed software reset, re-sitted all ribbon cables and all of the chips in the voice 5 section of the xpander voiceboard without success,
i also performed all the tests for the xpander (memory, vmemory, etc...) and all are ok, afaik.
plus i re-sitted chip U106 which is responsible for the panning output section of voice 5 (after studying the service manual).

also, i swapped both CEM3374 and CEM3372 of voice 5 with another working voice chips (voice 6) and still the fault appears on voice 5. so, both the CEM chips are Not the problem...

and i swapped ALL of the chips of voice 5 with the chips of voice 6 and still the same problem appears on voice 5.
so ALL the chips in the voice 5 section are ok for sure.

and, after hitting tuning many many times and hitting tuning while the machine was at various different presets, i noticed that thing:
when the machine was autotuning and it was in a preset that was very complex with lots of modulations and vco modulation as well, then voice 5 failed in the vco tuning as well, (and, at one time, vco 1 failed!).
when the machine was autotuning, while it was in a simpler sound preset (some brass or synthlead...), then the voice 5 only failed in PWM and maybe Res... but it passed vco tuning....!!
so maybe its a problem in another board of the machine (like the CPU) and not in the voice 5 board ?
;
maybe this indicates that i should re-sit the chips in the main CPU /memory board as well?? do you think i should take the time and re-sit all the chips in the CPU board? would it make sense?
(do you think a 'HARD Reset' may fix the problem? how do i do this?)

is there anything specific i should check? everything seems connected.... i cannot resit ALL the chips in all boards obviously... but maybe i should resit a specific chip from another section of the xpander boards....? any ideas / help?
i really do not want to break anything inside the Xpander (i do not want to use a soldering iron, after all, everything seems in place), but i can remove and easily re-sit a specific chip or two, if needed of course....
btw, the seller is very honest and he insisted that the machine worked fine (all 6 voices) before shipping, and i believe him..

thanks for all your help in advance!

best regards, :-)
Bakis.

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist www. DiN. org. uk www. musicamaximamagnetica. com www. vu-us. com

Re: hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...

2012-01-27 by blchrr@homecall.co.uk

Hi Bakis, mine had similiar issues which turned out to be to due to old 
capacitors... its been fine since it was recapped (around 3(ish) years ago) 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> hi everyone, 
> 
> new member here, my Name is Bakis. 
> 
> recently bought an Xpander and have the following problem: 
> 
> works and sounds great...  ...apart from voice 5, 
> which, after its shipping to me, does not pass the auto tune test.
>  
> sometimes the 'PW' section of it fails, sometimes the Res section 
> fails, sometimes all the sections of voice 5 fail (except the vca section of 
> voice 5 that never fails). 
>  
> even if i activate the problematic voice, after its 
> been automatically shut off by the Xpander OS, it sounds a bit different from the 
> others in filter tone and tuning (of course, as it cannot be tuned,) and very very low in volume. 
> another weird thing i noticed: when i direct voice 
> 5 in its 'direct' output 5, then, from this output, i can hear all of the 
> xpander voices (together with voice 5) but very low in volume. 
> all the other direct outputs work as they should, 
> for all the other voices.
>  
> i performed software reset, re-sitted all ribbon 
> cables and all of the chips in the voice 5 section of the xpander voiceboard 
> without success,
> i also performed all the tests for the xpander 
> (memory, vmemory, etc...) and all are ok, afaik. 
> plus i re-sitted chip U106 which is responsible for 
> the panning output section of voice 5 (after studying the service 
> manual). 
> 
> also, i swapped both CEM3374 and CEM3372 of voice 5 with another working voice chips (voice 6) and 
> still the fault appears on voice 5. so, both the CEM chips are Not the 
> problem... 
> 
> 
> and i swapped ALL of the chips of voice 5 with 
> the chips of voice 6 and still the same problem appears on voice 5.  
> 
> so ALL the chips in the voice 5 section are ok for sure. 
> 
> 
> and, after hitting tuning many many times and hitting tuning 
> while the machine was at various different presets, i noticed that thing:
> when the machine was autotuning and it was in a preset 
> that was very complex with lots of modulations and vco modulation as well, 
> then voice 5 failed in the vco tuning as well, (and, at one time, vco 1 
> failed!). 
> when the machine was autotuning, while it was in a simpler 
> sound preset (some brass or synthlead...), then the voice 5 only failed in PWM 
> and maybe Res... but it passed vco tuning....!! 
> so maybe its a problem in another board of the machine 
> (like the CPU) and not in the voice 5 board ?
>  
> maybe this indicates that i should re-sit the chips in the 
> main CPU /memory board as well?? do you think i should take the time and re-sit 
> all the chips in the CPU board? would it make sense?
>  
> (do you think a 'HARD Reset' may fix the problem? how do i do 
> this?) 
> 
> is there anything specific i should check? 
> everything seems connected.... i cannot resit ALL the chips in all boards 
> obviously... but maybe i should resit a specific chip from another section of 
> the xpander boards....? any ideas / help?
>  
> i really do not want to break anything inside the 
> Xpander (i do not want to use a soldering iron, after all, everything seems in 
> place), but i can remove and easily re-sit a specific chip or two, if needed of 
> course....
>  
> btw, the seller is very honest and he insisted that 
> the machine worked fine (all 6 voices) before shipping, and i believe 
> him.. 
> 
> thanks for all your help in advance! 
> 
> best regards,      :-)
> Bakis. 
> 
> 
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist  
> 
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner  
> 
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com  
> 
> www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476  
> 
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic  
> 
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic  
> 
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> www. vu-us. com

Re: [xpantastic] Re: hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...

2012-01-28 by William Cason

I was just going to say the same thing.  If you swapped all the chips, a good idea BTW, there's not much left voice to voice on the board to age or break down other than the electrolytic capacitors (can shaped ones).  Luckily they're really cheap and really easy to un-solder and re-solder.  Good luck.



________________________________
 From: "blchrr@homecall.co.uk" <blchrr@...>
To: xpantastic@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 6:40 PM
Subject: [xpantastic] Re: hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...
 

  
Hi Bakis, mine had similiar issues which turned out to be to due to old 
capacitors... its been fine since it was recapped (around 3(ish) years ago) 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> hi everyone, 
> 
> new member here, my Name is Bakis. 
> 
> recently bought an Xpander and have the following problem: 
> 
> works and sounds great...  ...apart from voice 5, 
> which, after its shipping to me, does not pass the auto tune test.
>  
> sometimes the 'PW' section of it fails, sometimes the Res section 
> fails, sometimes all the sections of voice 5 fail (except the vca section of 
> voice 5 that never fails). 
>  
> even if i activate the problematic voice, after its 
> been automatically shut off by the Xpander OS, it sounds a bit different from the 
> others in filter tone and tuning (of course, as it cannot be tuned,) and very very low in volume. 
> another weird thing i noticed: when i direct voice 
> 5 in its 'direct' output 5, then, from this output, i can hear all of the 
> xpander voices (together with voice 5) but very low in volume. 
> all the other direct outputs work as they should, 
> for all the other voices.
>  
> i performed software reset, re-sitted all ribbon 
> cables and all of the chips in the voice 5 section of the xpander voiceboard 
> without success,
> i also performed all the tests for the xpander 
> (memory, vmemory, etc...) and all are ok, afaik. 
> plus i re-sitted chip U106 which is responsible for 
> the panning output section of voice 5 (after studying the service 
> manual). 
> 
> also, i swapped both CEM3374 and CEM3372 of voice 5 with another working voice chips (voice 6) and 
> still the fault appears on voice 5. so, both the CEM chips are Not the 
> problem... 
> 
> 
> and i swapped ALL of the chips of voice 5 with 
> the chips of voice 6 and still the same problem appears on voice 5. 
> 
> so ALL the chips in the voice 5 section are ok for sure. 
> 
> 
> and, after hitting tuning many many times and hitting tuning 
> while the machine was at various different presets, i noticed that thing:
> when the machine was autotuning and it was in a preset 
> that was very complex with lots of modulations and vco modulation as well, 
> then voice 5 failed in the vco tuning as well, (and, at one time, vco 1 
> failed!). 
> when the machine was autotuning, while it was in a simpler 
> sound preset (some brass or synthlead...), then the voice 5 only failed in PWM 
> and maybe Res... but it passed vco tuning....!! 
> so maybe its a problem in another board of the machine 
> (like the CPU) and not in the voice 5 board ?
>  
> maybe this indicates that i should re-sit the chips in the 
> main CPU /memory board as well?? do you think i should take the time and re-sit 
> all the chips in the CPU board? would it make sense?
>  
> (do you think a 'HARD Reset' may fix the problem? how do i do 
> this?) 
> 
> is there anything specific i should check? 
> everything seems connected.... i cannot resit ALL the chips in all boards 
> obviously... but maybe i should resit a specific chip from another section of 
> the xpander boards....? any ideas / help?
>  
> i really do not want to break anything inside the 
> Xpander (i do not want to use a soldering iron, after all, everything seems in 
> place), but i can remove and easily re-sit a specific chip or two, if needed of 
> course....
>  
> btw, the seller is very honest and he insisted that 
> the machine worked fine (all 6 voices) before shipping, and i believe 
> him.. 
> 
> thanks for all your help in advance! 
> 
> best regards,      :-)
> Bakis. 
> 
> 
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist 
> 
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner 
> 
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com 
> 
> www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476 
> 
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic 
> 
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic 
> 
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> www. vu-us. com

Re: [xpantastic] Re: hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...

2012-01-28 by PeWe

Yep,- recap the 2.2U 50V ones,- there are 70 on the voiceboard and 
Digikey has �em in a package of 100pc for cheap.
Think about replacing Schmitt-Trigger chips as well, there are 2.
Check also your tact switches, you�ll find new ones frm Marquardt, the 
manufacturer of the originals.
On my Xpander, double triggering of the switch under [ALL] in the tuning 
page caused the message of [FAIL] too.


Am 28.01.2012 02:29, schrieb William Cason:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> I was just going to say the same thing.  If you swapped all the chips, 
> a good idea BTW, there's not much left voice to voice on the board to 
> age or break down other than the electrolytic capacitors (can shaped 
> ones).  Luckily they're really cheap and really easy to un-solder and 
> re-solder.  Good luck.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* "blchrr@..." <blchrr@...>
> *To:* xpantastic@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Friday, January 27, 2012 6:40 PM
> *Subject:* [xpantastic] Re: hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is 
> needed...
>
> Hi Bakis, mine had similiar issues which turned out to be to due to old
> capacitors... its been fine since it was recapped (around 3(ish) years 
> ago)
>
> > hi everyone,
> >
> > new member here, my Name is Bakis.
> >
> > recently bought an Xpander and have the following problem:
> >
> > works and sounds great...  ...apart from voice 5,
> > which, after its shipping to me, does not pass the auto tune test.
> >
> > sometimes the 'PW' section of it fails, sometimes the Res section
> > fails, sometimes all the sections of voice 5 fail (except the vca 
> section of
> > voice 5 that never fails).
> >
> > even if i activate the problematic voice, after its
> > been automatically shut off by the Xpander OS, it sounds a bit 
> different from the
> > others in filter tone and tuning (of course, as it cannot be tuned,) 
> and very very low in volume.
> > another weird thing i noticed: when i direct voice
> > 5 in its 'direct' output 5, then, from this output, i can hear all 
> of the
> > xpander voices (together with voice 5) but very low in volume.
> > all the other direct outputs work as they should,
> > for all the other voices.
> >
> > i performed software reset, re-sitted all ribbon
> > cables and all of the chips in the voice 5 section of the xpander 
> voiceboard
> > without success,
> > i also performed all the tests for the xpander
> > (memory, vmemory, etc...) and all are ok, afaik.
> > plus i re-sitted chip U106 which is responsible for
> > the panning output section of voice 5 (after studying the service
> > manual).
> >
> > also, i swapped both CEM3374 and CEM3372 of voice 5 with another 
> working voice chips (voice 6) and
> > still the fault appears on voice 5. so, both the CEM chips are Not the
> > problem...
> >
> >
> > and i swapped ALL of the chips of voice 5 with
> > the chips of voice 6 and still the same problem appears on voice 5.
> >
> > so ALL the chips in the voice 5 section are ok for sure.
> >
> >
> > and, after hitting tuning many many times and hitting tuning
> > while the machine was at various different presets, i noticed that 
> thing:
> > when the machine was autotuning and it was in a preset
> > that was very complex with lots of modulations and vco modulation as 
> well,
> > then voice 5 failed in the vco tuning as well, (and, at one time, vco 1
> > failed!).
> > when the machine was autotuning, while it was in a simpler
> > sound preset (some brass or synthlead...), then the voice 5 only 
> failed in PWM
> > and maybe Res... but it passed vco tuning....!!
> > so maybe its a problem in another board of the machine
> > (like the CPU) and not in the voice 5 board ?
> >
> > maybe this indicates that i should re-sit the chips in the
> > main CPU /memory board as well?? do you think i should take the time 
> and re-sit
> > all the chips in the CPU board? would it make sense?
> >
> > (do you think a 'HARD Reset' may fix the problem? how do i do
> > this?)
> >
> > is there anything specific i should check?
> > everything seems connected.... i cannot resit ALL the chips in all 
> boards
> > obviously... but maybe i should resit a specific chip from another 
> section of
> > the xpander boards....? any ideas / help?
> >
> > i really do not want to break anything inside the
> > Xpander (i do not want to use a soldering iron, after all, 
> everything seems in
> > place), but i can remove and easily re-sit a specific chip or two, 
> if needed of
> > course....
> >
> > btw, the seller is very honest and he insisted that
> > the machine worked fine (all 6 voices) before shipping, and i believe
> > him..
> >
> > thanks for all your help in advance!
> >
> > best regards,      :-)
> > Bakis.
> >
> >
> > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> >
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> >
> > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> >
> > www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476
> >
> > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> >
> > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> >
> > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> > www. DiN. org. uk
> > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> > www. vu-us. com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [xpantastic] hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...

2012-01-28 by Karl Schmeer

Hello Bakis,

The other posters have it right. You should replace the coupling caps. 
Specifically I would replace C549  on voice 5.  

This part fails often, and causes tuning fails.  BTW It must have the 50VDC 
rating or it won't work.

Actually I would change all Cx49 parts (x = voice number), because it sounds as 
if Voice 1 may have this problem also.

However, this does not address the bleedthrough problem you mention on the 
direct out of voice 5.
I have an M12 so I have no direct outs, and can't really comment on this.  

Best Luck

Karl 


________________________________
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@...>
To: Xpantastic group <xpantastic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, January 27, 2012 2:30:18 PM
Subject: [xpantastic] hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...

  
hi everyone,

new member here, my Name is Bakis.

recently bought an Xpander and have the following problem:

works and sounds great...  ...apart from voice 5, which, after its shipping to 
me, does not pass the auto tune test.
 
sometimes the 'PW' section of it fails, sometimes the Res section fails, 
sometimes all the sections of voice 5 fail (except the vca section of voice 5 
that never fails). 

 
even if i activate the problematic voice, after its been automatically shut off 
by the Xpander OS, it sounds a bit different from the others in filter tone and 
tuning (of course, as it cannot be tuned,) and very very low in volume. 

another weird thing i noticed: when i direct voice 5 in its 'direct' output 5, 
then, from this output, i can hear all of the xpander voices (together with 
voice 5) but very low in volume. 

all the other direct outputs work as they should, for all the other voices.
 
i performed software reset, re-sitted all ribbon cables and all of the chips in 
the voice 5 section of the xpander voiceboard without success,
i also performed all the tests for the xpander (memory, vmemory, etc...) and all 

are ok, afaik. 

plus i re-sitted chip U106 which is responsible for the panning output section 
of voice 5 (after studying the service manual).

also, i swapped both CEM3374 and CEM3372 of voice 5 with another working voice 
chips (voice 6) and still the fault appears on voice 5. so, both the CEM chips 
are Not the problem... 



and i swapped ALL of the chips of voice 5 with the chips of voice 6 and still 
the same problem appears on voice 5. 


so ALL the chips in the voice 5 section are ok for sure.


and, after hitting tuning many many times and hitting tuning while the machine 
was at various different presets, i noticed that thing:
when the machine was autotuning and it was in a preset that was very complex 
with lots of modulations and vco modulation as well, then voice 5 failed in the 
vco tuning as well, (and, at one time, vco 1 failed!). 

when the machine was autotuning, while it was in a simpler sound preset (some 
brass or synthlead...), then the voice 5 only failed in PWM and maybe Res... but 

it passed vco tuning....!! 

so maybe its a problem in another board of the machine (like the CPU) and not in 

the voice 5 board ?
 
maybe this indicates that i should re-sit the chips in the main CPU /memory 
board as well?? do you think i should take the time and re-sit all the chips in 
the CPU board? would it make sense?
 
(do you think a 'HARD Reset' may fix the problem? how do i do this?)

is there anything specific i should check? everything seems connected.... i 
cannot resit ALL the chips in all boards obviously... but maybe i should resit a 

specific chip from another section of the xpander boards....? any ideas / help?
 
i really do not want to break anything inside the Xpander (i do not want to use 
a soldering iron, after all, everything seems in place), but i can remove and 
easily re-sit a specific chip or two, if needed of course....
 
btw, the seller is very honest and he insisted that the machine worked fine (all 

6 voices) before shipping, and i believe him..

thanks for all your help in advance!

best regards,      :-)
Bakis.


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist 

[Doepfer_a100] group owner 

www. parallel - worlds - music. com 

www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476 

www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic 

www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic 

www. myspace. com/ memorygeist www. DiN. org. uk www. musicamaximamagnetica. com 

www. vu-us. com

Re: [xpantastic] hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...

2012-01-28 by Bakis Sirros

thanks Guys for all your help!     :-)

one more question: will the capacitors change fix the very very low output volume (its barely hearable) of voice 5 ?

or this is yet another problem of the xpander?

thanks,
best regards,
Bakis.


 
Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist 
[Doepfer_a100] group owner 

www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic 

www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist 

www. DiN. org. uk 

www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. vu-us. com


________________________________
Show quoted textHide quoted text
 From: Karl Schmeer <shire03@...>
To: xpantastic@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: [xpantastic] hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...
 

  
Hello Bakis,

The other posters have it right. You should replace the coupling caps. 
Specifically I would replace C549  on voice 5.  

This part fails often, and causes tuning fails.  BTW It must have the 50VDC 
rating or it won't work.

Actually I would change all Cx49 parts (x = voice number), because it sounds as 
if Voice 1 may have this problem also.

However, this does not address the bleedthrough problem you mention on the 
direct out of voice 5.
I have an M12 so I have no direct outs, and can't really comment on this.  

Best Luck

Karl 

________________________________
From: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
To: Xpantastic group <xpantastic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, January 27, 2012 2:30:18 PM
Subject: [xpantastic] hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...

  
hi everyone,

new member here, my Name is Bakis.

recently bought an Xpander and have the following problem:

works and sounds great...  ...apart from voice 5, which, after its shipping to 
me, does not pass the auto tune test.
 
sometimes the 'PW' section of it fails, sometimes the Res section fails, 
sometimes all the sections of voice 5 fail (except the vca section of voice 5 
that never fails). 

 
even if i activate the problematic voice, after its been automatically shut off 
by the Xpander OS, it sounds a bit different from the others in filter tone and 
tuning (of course, as it cannot be tuned,) and very very low in volume. 

another weird thing i noticed: when i direct voice 5 in its 'direct' output 5, 
then, from this output, i can hear all of the xpander voices (together with 
voice 5) but very low in volume. 

all the other direct outputs work as they should, for all the other voices.
 
i performed software reset, re-sitted all ribbon cables and all of the chips in 
the voice 5 section of the xpander voiceboard without success,
i also performed all the tests for the xpander (memory, vmemory, etc...) and all 

are ok, afaik. 

plus i re-sitted chip U106 which is responsible for the panning output section 
of voice 5 (after studying the service manual).

also, i swapped both CEM3374 and CEM3372 of voice 5 with another working voice 
chips (voice 6) and still the fault appears on voice 5. so, both the CEM chips 
are Not the problem... 

and i swapped ALL of the chips of voice 5 with the chips of voice 6 and still 
the same problem appears on voice 5. 

so ALL the chips in the voice 5 section are ok for sure.

and, after hitting tuning many many times and hitting tuning while the machine 
was at various different presets, i noticed that thing:
when the machine was autotuning and it was in a preset that was very complex 
with lots of modulations and vco modulation as well, then voice 5 failed in the 
vco tuning as well, (and, at one time, vco 1 failed!). 

when the machine was autotuning, while it was in a simpler sound preset (some 
brass or synthlead...), then the voice 5 only failed in PWM and maybe Res... but 

it passed vco tuning....!! 

so maybe its a problem in another board of the machine (like the CPU) and not in 

the voice 5 board ?
 
maybe this indicates that i should re-sit the chips in the main CPU /memory 
board as well?? do you think i should take the time and re-sit all the chips in 
the CPU board? would it make sense?
 
(do you think a 'HARD Reset' may fix the problem? how do i do this?)

is there anything specific i should check? everything seems connected.... i 
cannot resit ALL the chips in all boards obviously... but maybe i should resit a 

specific chip from another section of the xpander boards....? any ideas / help?
 
i really do not want to break anything inside the Xpander (i do not want to use 
a soldering iron, after all, everything seems in place), but i can remove and 
easily re-sit a specific chip or two, if needed of course....
 
btw, the seller is very honest and he insisted that the machine worked fine (all 

6 voices) before shipping, and i believe him..

thanks for all your help in advance!

best regards,      :-)
Bakis.

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist 

[Doepfer_a100] group owner 

www. parallel - worlds - music. com 

www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476 

www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic 

www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic 

www. myspace. com/ memorygeist www. DiN. org. uk www. musicamaximamagnetica. com 

www. vu-us. com

Re: [xpantastic] hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...

2012-01-28 by Tobbe Bergman

FYI

C249 = Voice 6
C349 = Voice 5
C449 = Voice 4
C549 = Voice 3
C649 = Voice 2
C749 = Voice 1

2012/1/28 Karl Schmeer <shire03@...>

Hello Bakis,

The other posters have it right. You should replace the coupling caps.
Specifically I would replace C549 on voice 5.

This part fails often, and causes tuning fails. BTW It must have the 50VDC
rating or it won't work.

Actually I would change all Cx49 parts (x = voice number), because it sounds as
if Voice 1 may have this problem also.

However, this does not address the bleedthrough problem you mention on the
direct out of voice 5.
I have an M12 so I have no direct outs, and can't really comment on this.

Best Luck

Karl

________________________________

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From: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@...>
To: Xpantastic group <xpantastic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, January 27, 2012 2:30:18 PM
Subject: [xpantastic] hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...




hi everyone,

new member here, my Name is Bakis.

recently bought an Xpander and have the following problem:

works and sounds great... ...apart from voice 5, which, after its shipping to
me, does not pass the auto tune test.

sometimes the 'PW' section of it fails, sometimes the Res section fails,
sometimes all the sections of voice 5 fail (except the vca section of voice 5
that never fails).


even if i activate the problematic voice, after its been automatically shut off
by the Xpander OS, it sounds a bit different from the others in filter tone and
tuning (of course, as it cannot be tuned,) and very very low in volume.

another weird thing i noticed: when i direct voice 5 in its 'direct9; output 5,
then, from this output, i can hear all of the xpander voices (together with
voice 5) but very low in volume.

all the other direct outputs work as they should, for all the other voices.

i performed software reset, re-sitted all ribbon cables and all of the chips in
the voice 5 section of the xpander voiceboard without success,
i also performed all the tests for the xpander (memory, vmemory, etc...) and all

are ok, afaik.

plus i re-sitted chip U106 which is responsible for the panning output section
of voice 5 (after studying the service manual).

also, i swapped both CEM3374 and CEM3372 of voice 5 with another working voice
chips (voice 6) and still the fault appears on voice 5. so, both the CEM chips
are Not the problem...

and i swapped ALL of the chips of voice 5 with the chips of voice 6 and still
the same problem appears on voice 5.

so ALL the chips in the voice 5 section are ok for sure.

and, after hitting tuning many many times and hitting tuning while the machine
was at various different presets, i noticed that thing:
when the machine was autotuning and it was in a preset that was very complex
with lots of modulations and vco modulation as well, then voice 5 failed in the
vco tuning as well, (and, at one time, vco 1 failed!).

when the machine was autotuning, while it was in a simpler sound preset (some
brass or synthlead...), then the voice 5 only failed in PWM and maybe Res... but

it passed vco tuning....!!

so maybe its a problem in another board of the machine (like the CPU) and not in

the voice 5 board ?

maybe this indicates that i should re-sit the chips in the main CPU /memory
board as well?? do you think i should take the time and re-sit all the chips in
the CPU board? would it make sense?

(do you think a 'HARD Reset' may fix the problem? how do i do this?)

is there anything specific i should check? everything seems connected.... i
cannot resit ALL the chips in all boards obviously... but maybe i should resit a

specific chip from another section of the xpander boards....? any ideas / help?

i really do not want to break anything inside the Xpander (i do not want to use
a soldering iron, after all, everything seems in place), but i can remove and
easily re-sit a specific chip or two, if needed of course....

btw, the seller is very honest and he insisted that the machine worked fine (all

6 voices) before shipping, and i believe him..

thanks for all your help in advance!

best regards, :-)
Bakis.

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist

[Doepfer_a100] group owner

www. parallel - worlds - music. com

www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476

www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic

www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic

www. myspace. com/ memorygeist www. DiN. org. uk www. musicamaximamagnetica. com

www. vu-us. com


Re: [xpantastic] hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...

2012-01-28 by Tobbe Bergman

It fixed Voice 6 when I had the identical problem on my Xpander !





2012/1/28 Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@...>

thanks Guys for all your help! :-)

one more question: will the capacitors change fix the very very low output volume (its barely hearable) of voice 5 ?

or this is yet another problem of the xpander?

thanks,
best regards,
Bakis.


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. vu-us. com
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From: Karl Schmeer <shire03@sbcglobal.net>
To: xpantastic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: [xpantastic] hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...

Hello Bakis,

The other posters have it right. You should replace the coupling caps.
Specifically I would replace C549 on voice 5.

This part fails often, and causes tuning fails. BTW It must have the 50VDC
rating or it won't work.

Actually I would change all Cx49 parts (x = voice number), because it sounds as
if Voice 1 may have this problem also.

However, this does not address the bleedthrough problem you mention on the
direct out of voice 5.
I have an M12 so I have no direct outs, and can't really comment on this.

Best Luck

Karl

________________________________
From: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@...>
To: Xpantastic group <xpantastic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, January 27, 2012 2:30:18 PM
Subject: [xpantastic] hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...


hi everyone,

new member here, my Name is Bakis.

recently bought an Xpander and have the following problem:

works and sounds great... ...apart from voice 5, which, after its shipping to
me, does not pass the auto tune test.

sometimes the 'PW' section of it fails, sometimes the Res section fails,
sometimes all the sections of voice 5 fail (except the vca section of voice 5
that never fails).


even if i activate the problematic voice, after its been automatically shut off
by the Xpander OS, it sounds a bit different from the others in filter tone and
tuning (of course, as it cannot be tuned,) and very very low in volume.

another weird thing i noticed: when i direct voice 5 in its 'direct' output 5,
then, from this output, i can hear all of the xpander voices (together with
voice 5) but very low in volume.

all the other direct outputs work as they should, for all the other voices.

i performed software reset, re-sitted all ribbon cables and all of the chips in
the voice 5 section of the xpander voiceboard without success,
i also performed all the tests for the xpander (memory, vmemory, etc...) and all

are ok, afaik.

plus i re-sitted chip U106 which is responsible for the panning output section
of voice 5 (after studying the service manual).

also, i swapped both CEM3374 and CEM3372 of voice 5 with another working voice
chips (voice 6) and still the fault appears on voice 5. so, both the CEM chips
are Not the problem...

and i swapped ALL of the chips of voice 5 with the chips of voice 6 and still
the same problem appears on voice 5.

so ALL the chips in the voice 5 section are ok for sure.

and, after hitting tuning many many times and hitting tuning while the machine
was at various different presets, i noticed that thing:
when the machine was autotuning and it was in a preset that was very complex
with lots of modulations and vco modulation as well, then voice 5 failed in the
vco tuning as well, (and, at one time, vco 1 failed!).

when the machine was autotuning, while it was in a simpler sound preset (some
brass or synthlead...), then the voice 5 only failed in PWM and maybe Res... but

it passed vco tuning....!!

so maybe its a problem in another board of the machine (like the CPU) and not in

the voice 5 board ?

maybe this indicates that i should re-sit the chips in the main CPU /memory
board as well?? do you think i should take the time and re-sit all the chips in
the CPU board? would it make sense?

(do you think a 'HARD Reset' may fix the problem? how do i do this?)

is there anything specific i should check? everything seems connected.... i
cannot resit ALL the chips in all boards obviously... but maybe i should resit a

specific chip from another section of the xpander boards....? any ideas / help?

i really do not want to break anything inside the Xpander (i do not want to use
a soldering iron, after all, everything seems in place), but i can remove and
easily re-sit a specific chip or two, if needed of course....

btw, the seller is very honest and he insisted that the machine worked fine (all

6 voices) before shipping, and i believe him..

thanks for all your help in advance!

best regards, :-)
Bakis.

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist

[Doepfer_a100] group owner

www. parallel - worlds - music. com

www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476

www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic

www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic

www. myspace. com/ memorygeist www. DiN. org. uk www. musicamaximamagnetica. com

www. vu-us. com




Re: [xpantastic] hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...

2012-01-28 by Bakis Sirros

ok, thanks Tobbe!

 
Bakis 


________________________________
 From: Tobbe Bergman <tobbebergman@...>
To: xpantastic@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [xpantastic] hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...
 

  
It fixed Voice 6 when I had the identical problem on my Xpander !






2012/1/28 Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@...>
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>  
>thanks Guys for all your help!     :-)
>
>
>one more question: will the capacitors change fix the very very low output volume (its barely hearable) of voice 5 ?
>
>
>or this is yet another problem of the xpander?
>
>
>thanks,
>best regards,
>Bakis.
>
>
>
>
> 
>Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist 
>[Doepfer_a100] group owner 
>
>www. parallel - worlds - music. com
>www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476
>www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic 
>
>www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
>www. myspace. com/ memorygeist 
>
>www. DiN. org. uk 
>
>www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
>www. vu-us. com
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Karl Schmeer <shire03@...>
>To: xpantastic@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:25 AM
>Subject: Re: [xpantastic] hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...
> 
>
>
>  
>Hello Bakis,
>
>The other posters have it right. You should replace the coupling caps. 
>Specifically I would replace C549  on voice 5.  
>
>This part fails often, and causes tuning fails.  BTW It must have the 50VDC 
>rating or it won't work.
>
>Actually I would change all Cx49 parts (x = voice number), because it sounds as 
>if Voice 1 may have this problem also.
>
>However, this does not address the bleedthrough problem you mention on the 
>direct out of voice 5.
>I have an M12 so I have no direct outs, and can't really comment on this.  
>
>Best Luck
>
>Karl 
>
>________________________________
>From: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@...>
>To: Xpantastic group <xpantastic@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Fri, January 27, 2012 2:30:18 PM
>Subject: [xpantastic] hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...
>
>  
>hi everyone,
>
>new member here, my Name is Bakis.
>
>recently bought an Xpander and have the following problem:
>
>works and sounds great...  ...apart from voice 5, which, after its shipping to 
>me, does not pass the auto tune test.
> 
>sometimes the 'PW' section of it fails, sometimes the Res section fails, 
>sometimes all the sections of voice 5 fail (except the vca section of voice 5 
>that never fails). 
>
> 
>even if i activate the problematic voice, after its been automatically shut off 
>by the Xpander OS, it sounds a bit different from the others in filter tone and 
>tuning (of course, as it cannot be tuned,) and very very low in volume. 
>
>another weird thing i noticed: when i direct voice 5 in its 'direct' output 5, 
>then, from this output, i can hear all of the xpander voices (together with 
>voice 5) but very low in volume. 
>
>all the other direct outputs work as they should, for all the other voices.
> 
>i performed software reset, re-sitted all ribbon cables and all of the chips in 
>the voice 5 section of the xpander voiceboard without success,
>i also performed all the tests for the xpander (memory, vmemory, etc...) and all 
>
>are ok, afaik. 
>
>plus i re-sitted chip U106 which is responsible for the panning output section 
>of voice 5 (after studying the service manual).
>
>also, i swapped both CEM3374 and CEM3372 of voice 5 with another working voice 
>chips (voice 6) and still the fault appears on voice 5. so, both the CEM chips 
>are Not the problem... 
>
>and i swapped ALL of the chips of voice 5 with the chips of voice 6 and still 
>the same problem appears on voice 5. 
>
>so ALL the chips in the voice 5 section are ok for sure.
>
>and, after hitting tuning many many times and hitting tuning while the machine 
>was at various different presets, i noticed that thing:
>when the machine was autotuning and it was in a preset that was very complex 
>with lots of modulations and vco modulation as well, then voice 5 failed in the 
>vco tuning as well, (and, at one time, vco 1 failed!). 
>
>when the machine was autotuning, while it was in a simpler sound preset (some 
>brass or synthlead...), then the voice 5 only failed in PWM and maybe Res... but 
>
>it passed vco tuning....!! 
>
>so maybe its a problem in another board of the machine (like the CPU) and not in 
>
>the voice 5 board ?
> 
>maybe this indicates that i should re-sit the chips in the main CPU /memory 
>board as well?? do you think i should take the time and re-sit all the chips in 
>the CPU board? would it make sense?
> 
>(do you think a 'HARD Reset' may fix the problem? how do i do this?)
>
>is there anything specific i should check? everything seems connected.... i 
>cannot resit ALL the chips in all boards obviously... but maybe i should resit a 
>
>specific chip from another section of the xpander boards....? any ideas / help?
> 
>i really do not want to break anything inside the Xpander (i do not want to use 
>a soldering iron, after all, everything seems in place), but i can remove and 
>easily re-sit a specific chip or two, if needed of course....
> 
>btw, the seller is very honest and he insisted that the machine worked fine (all 
>
>6 voices) before shipping, and i believe him..
>
>thanks for all your help in advance!
>
>best regards,      :-)
>Bakis.
>
>Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist 
>
>[Doepfer_a100] group owner 
>
>www. parallel - worlds - music. com 
>
>www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476 
>
>www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic 
>
>www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic 
>
>www. myspace. com/ memorygeist www. DiN. org. uk www. musicamaximamagnetica. com 
>
>www. vu-us. com
>
>
>
>

Re: [xpantastic] hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...

2012-01-28 by Karl Schmeer

Quit Right Tobbe, It's been awhile since I opened mine up. 
 
Best Regards 

Karl


________________________________
From: Tobbe Bergman <tobbebergman@...>
To: xpantastic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 28, 2012 8:02:01 AM
Subject: Re: [xpantastic] hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...

  
FYI  

C249 = Voice 6
C349 = Voice 5
C449 = Voice 4
C549 = Voice 3
C649 = Voice 2
C749 = Voice 1


2012/1/28 Karl Schmeer <shire03@...>
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>Hello Bakis,
>
>The other posters have it right. You should replace the coupling caps. 
>Specifically I would replace C549  on voice 5.  
>
>This part fails often, and causes tuning fails.  BTW It must have the 50VDC 
>rating or it won't work.
>
>Actually I would change all Cx49 parts (x = voice number), because it sounds as 


>if Voice 1 may have this problem also.
>
>However, this does not address the bleedthrough problem you mention on the 
>direct out of voice 5.
>I have an M12 so I have no direct outs, and can't really comment on this.  
>
>Best Luck
>
>Karl 
>
>________________________________
>From: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@...>
>To: Xpantastic group <xpantastic@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Fri, January 27, 2012 2:30:18 PM
>Subject: [xpantastic] hello everyone, Xpander problem, help is needed...
>
>
>  
>hi everyone,
>
>new member here, my Name is Bakis.
>
>recently bought an Xpander and have the following problem:
>
>works and sounds great...  ...apart from voice 5, which, after its shipping to 
>me, does not pass the auto tune test.
> 
>sometimes the 'PW' section of it fails, sometimes the Res section fails, 
>sometimes all the sections of voice 5 fail (except the vca section of voice 5 
>that never fails). 
>
> 
>even if i activate the problematic voice, after its been automatically shut off 


>by the Xpander OS, it sounds a bit different from the others in filter tone and 


>tuning (of course, as it cannot be tuned,) and very very low in volume. 
>
>another weird thing i noticed: when i direct voice 5 in its 'direct' output 5, 
>then, from this output, i can hear all of the xpander voices (together with 
>voice 5) but very low in volume. 
>
>all the other direct outputs work as they should, for all the other voices.
> 
>i performed software reset, re-sitted all ribbon cables and all of the chips in 


>the voice 5 section of the xpander voiceboard without success,
>i also performed all the tests for the xpander (memory, vmemory, etc...) and all 
>
>
>
>are ok, afaik. 
>
>plus i re-sitted chip U106 which is responsible for the panning output section 
>of voice 5 (after studying the service manual).
>
>also, i swapped both CEM3374 and CEM3372 of voice 5 with another working voice 
>chips (voice 6) and still the fault appears on voice 5. so, both the CEM chips 
>are Not the problem... 
>
>and i swapped ALL of the chips of voice 5 with the chips of voice 6 and still 
>the same problem appears on voice 5. 
>
>so ALL the chips in the voice 5 section are ok for sure.
>
>and, after hitting tuning many many times and hitting tuning while the machine 
>was at various different presets, i noticed that thing:
>when the machine was autotuning and it was in a preset that was very complex 
>with lots of modulations and vco modulation as well, then voice 5 failed in the 


>vco tuning as well, (and, at one time, vco 1 failed!). 
>
>when the machine was autotuning, while it was in a simpler sound preset (some 
>brass or synthlead...), then the voice 5 only failed in PWM and maybe Res... but 
>
>
>
>it passed vco tuning....!! 
>
>so maybe its a problem in another board of the machine (like the CPU) and not in 
>
>
>
>the voice 5 board ?
> 
>maybe this indicates that i should re-sit the chips in the main CPU /memory 
>board as well?? do you think i should take the time and re-sit all the chips in 


>the CPU board? would it make sense?
> 
>(do you think a 'HARD Reset' may fix the problem? how do i do this?)
>
>is there anything specific i should check? everything seems connected.... i 
>cannot resit ALL the chips in all boards obviously... but maybe i should resit a 
>
>
>
>specific chip from another section of the xpander boards....? any ideas / help?
> 
>i really do not want to break anything inside the Xpander (i do not want to use 


>a soldering iron, after all, everything seems in place), but i can remove and 
>easily re-sit a specific chip or two, if needed of course....
> 
>btw, the seller is very honest and he insisted that the machine worked fine (all 
>
>
>
>6 voices) before shipping, and i believe him..
>
>thanks for all your help in advance!
>
>best regards,      :-)
>Bakis.
>
>Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist 
>
>[Doepfer_a100] group owner 
>
>www. parallel - worlds - music. com 
>
>www. facebook. com/ pages/Parallel-Worlds/192093934136476 
>
>www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic 
>
>www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic 
>
>www. myspace. com/ memorygeist www. DiN. org. uk www. musicamaximamagnetica. com 
>
>
>
>www. vu-us. com
>
>

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