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2012-04-02 by sonictransmissions2002
Is anyone using their Xpander with the Volta or Silent way plugins? If so how do you find it? Are you able to get snappier basses using the plugin's envelopes? My Xpander arrives on thursday and this will be one of the first things I try. Cheers Rick
2012-04-02 by Omar
Is anyone using their Xpander with the Volta or Silent way plugins? If so how do you find it? Are you able to get snappier basses using the plugin's envelopes?
My Xpander arrives on thursday and this will be one of the first things I try.
Cheers
Rick
2012-04-02 by Richard Taylor
I'm curious how you would make that work. My understanding is the CV inputs on the Xpander are hard-routed to pitch control of the VCO's only. Is this correct? I couldn't see anywhere in the manual or in the master page where you can setup the CV inputs to be used as a freely assignable modulation source.
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 10:13 PM, sonictransmissions2002 <rick@...> wrote:Is anyone using their Xpander with the Volta or Silent way plugins? If so how do you find it? Are you able to get snappier basses using the plugin's envelopes?
My Xpander arrives on thursday and this will be one of the first things I try.
Cheers
Rick
2012-04-02 by Omar Torres
yes thats correct, but its just for triggering gate and pitch of each voice. Basically allowing you to trigger or sequence an Xpander without using MIDI. But this has nothing to do with the Xpander's "snappy" response issue. the lack of "snappy" that you refer to in the Xpander is due to the slow response of its software based envelope generators specifically when modulating the filter cutoff. You cannot get that characteristic "pop" when setting the envelope "decay" to low values like you would on a Minimoog or a Roland System 100m for example, both well know for having very snappy envelopes. The only way you could fix this with an external CV signal is if the Xpander supported the ability to let you select one of the external CV inputs as a modulation source, which would then allow you to route that to the filter cutoff and use one of the Silent Way software envelopes to get a much more snappier response versus its internal envelope generators of the Xpander. Since the Xpander doesn't support this, there is no way to do what you are trying to do. -omar --- sent from iPhone
On Apr 2, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Richard Taylor <rick@...> wrote: > I'm not 100% sure on how to do it, as I don't have the Xpander in front of me yet. However in the Sound on Sound review of Silent way the reviewer states that they used SW's voice controller to play an Xpander polyphonically: > > > By instantiating a number of Voice Controller plug-ins, assigning one as ‘master’ and the others to individual voice numbers, I was able to use my six-voice Oberheim Xpander via its CV inputs. > > http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may10/articles/silentway.htm > > > > On Apr 1, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Omar wrote: > >> >> I'm curious how you would make that work. My understanding is the CV inputs on the Xpander are hard-routed to pitch control of the VCO's only. Is this correct? I couldn't see anywhere in the manual or in the master page where you can setup the CV inputs to be used as a freely assignable modulation source. >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 10:13 PM, sonictransmissions2002 <rick@...> wrote: >> >> Is anyone using their Xpander with the Volta or Silent way plugins? If so how do you find it? Are you able to get snappier basses using the plugin's envelopes? >> >> My Xpander arrives on thursday and this will be one of the first things I try. >> >> Cheers >> >> Rick >> >> >> > >
2012-04-02 by tyrosine
Omar is correct, the oscillators in the Xpander will not respond any more quickly if they are sequenced over CV (Silent Way, hardware sequencer, etc). The reason is that the CV/Gate inputs only accept pitch and Gate (note on/off) signals. Each patch on the Xpander has its own envelope settings and sending a CV/Gate signal will not change the existing limitations of the envelopes, it just plays the note as if you had connected a MIDI or CV/Gate keyboard. The Xpander is not the right synth for that snappy bass sound, though it can make a much wider variety of sounds than many synths that _can_ make that type of sound. --- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, Omar Torres <holografique@...> wrote:
> > yes thats correct, but its just for triggering > gate and pitch of each voice. Basically allowing > you to trigger or sequence an Xpander without > using MIDI. But this has nothing to do with the > Xpander's "snappy" response issue. >
2012-04-02 by Omar
Omar is correct, the oscillators in the Xpander will not respond any more quickly if they are sequenced over CV (Silent Way, hardware sequencer, etc). The reason is that the CV/Gate inputs only accept pitch and Gate (note on/off) signals. Each patch on the Xpander has its own envelope settings and sending a CV/Gate signal will not change the existing limitations of the envelopes, it just plays the note as if you had connected a MIDI or CV/Gate keyboard. The Xpander is not the right synth for that snappy bass sound, though it can make a much wider variety of sounds than many synths that _can_ make that type of sound.
--- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, Omar Torres wrote:
>
> yes thats correct, but its just for triggering
> gate and pitch of each voice. Basically allowing
> you to trigger or sequence an Xpander without
> using MIDI. But this has nothing to do with the
> Xpander's "snappy" response issue.
>
2012-04-03 by Richard Taylor
I would add here, that even though you can't get "snappy" bass sounds, you can still get "killer" bass sounds with the Xpander. Listen to Nitzer Ebb "Belief" or "Showtime" and you'll hear the magic of the Xpander used for bass as well as buzzy seq type synth sounds. the 1 and 2 pole filter modes are very aggressive and when shaped properly, you can get some amazing buzzy raspy bass sounds with bite and cojones...especially when you put your primary zone in unison-low mode to trigger all 6 voices at once. monosynth what?? 6-voices of an Xpander in unison will eat your monosynth for lunch.
-oOn Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:27 PM, tyrosine <nocontext@...> wrote:Omar is correct, the oscillators in the Xpander will not respond any more quickly if they are sequenced over CV (Silent Way, hardware sequencer, etc). The reason is that the CV/Gate inputs only accept pitch and Gate (note on/off) signals. Each patch on the Xpander has its own envelope settings and sending a CV/Gate signal will not change the existing limitations of the envelopes, it just plays the note as if you had connected a MIDI or CV/Gate keyboard. The Xpander is not the right synth for that snappy bass sound, though it can make a much wider variety of sounds than many synths that _can_ make that type of sound.
--- In xpantastic@yahoogroups.com, Omar Torres wrote:
>
> yes thats correct, but its just for triggering
> gate and pitch of each voice. Basically allowing
> you to trigger or sequence an Xpander without
> using MIDI. But this has nothing to do with the
> Xpander's "snappy" response issue.
>