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problem: audible modulations at no playing.

2008-06-09 by Max Fazio

Hi, writing here for a friend's CS80.
My friend found  a strange problem: when he does set the ringmod's speed at full with modulation at full , the sound coming from the modulator is quite hearable : the fact is that this sound you can hear even without playing anything on the keyboard; same problem happens with the SubOScillator: when he sets the speed at full, the sound can be heard without any key pressed.
I believe there must be something wrong with some preamps in OE1 board or PRA's muting FETs, my idea is to look at R51/52 to see if is there any faulty resistor concerning the Suboscillator.

Anyway I'm looking for your savvy advices.
Thx for any reply.
M 

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Re: [yamahacs80] problem: audible modulations at no playing.

2008-06-10 by Laurie Curry

I believe I also hear some leakage from my RM circuit....
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-----Original message-----
From: "Max Fazio" faxiomas@...
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 02:47:54 -0600
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [yamahacs80] problem: audible modulations at no playing.

Hi, writing here for a friend's CS80.
My friend found a strange problem: when he does set the ringmod's
speed at full with modulation at full , the sound coming from the
modulator is quite hearable : the fact is that this sound you can hear
even without playing anything on the keyboard; same problem happens
with the SubOScillator: when he sets the speed at full, the sound can
be heard without any key pressed.
I believe there must be something wrong with some preamps in OE1 board
or PRA's muting FETs, my idea is to look at R51/52 to see if is there
any faulty resistor concerning the Suboscillator.

Anyway I'm looking for your savvy advices.
Thx for anyreply.
M 

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Re: problem: audible modulations at no playing.

2008-06-10 by David Rogoff

I just tried it with headphones and the volume cranked. It's definitely 
there, but pretty low level. It's not surprising since the RM and the 
output pre-amps are both on the PRA board. I noticed that the pre-amp 
ICs already have RC coupling on their power supply pins. Maybe 
calibrating the RM and pre-amp would help.

I don't hear any Sub Oscillator bleeding to the outputs on the unit I have.

 David

Laurie Curry wrote:
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> I believe I also hear some leakage from my RM circuit....
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Max Fazio" faxiomas@...
> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 02:47:54 -0600
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [yamahacs80] problem: audible modulations at no playing.
>
> Hi, writing here for a friend's CS80.
> My friend found a strange problem: when he does set the ringmod's
> speed at full with modulation at full , the sound coming from the
> modulator is quite hearable : the fact is that this sound you can hear
> even without playing anything on the keyboard; same problem happens
> with the SubOScillator: when he sets the speed at full, the sound can
> be heard without any key pressed.
> I believe there must be something wrong with some preamps in OE1 board
> or PRA's muting FETs, my idea is to look at R51/52 to see if is there
> any faulty resistor concerning the Suboscillator.
>
> Anyway I'm looking for your savvy advices.
> Thx for anyreply.
>

Re: [yamahacs80] Re: problem: audible modulations at no playing.

2008-06-10 by Max Fazio

Hi David
To specify the problem, the suboscillator can be "heard" also at low frequency because of a strong noise component and, strangely, even without any modulation amount to anything; even stranger is the fact that this effect can be heard on R output only , while the L goes pretty steady about it.
The ringmodulator is a different story: the effect can be heard on both channels, loud enough to tell it's not natural, moreover , if you turn "modulation" at full you can hear a strong amount of background noise; I'm beginning to think it can be one of ringmod's 1452 pre-amps which has gone fishing.
Any suggestion about it? Thx for your reply...
M
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Rogoff 
  To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:54 AM
  Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: problem: audible modulations at no playing.


  I just tried it with headphones and the volume cranked. It's definitely 
  there, but pretty low level. It's not surprising since the RM and the 
  output pre-amps are both on the PRA board. I noticed that the pre-amp 
  ICs already have RC coupling on their power supply pins. Maybe 
  calibrating the RM and pre-amp would help.

  I don't hear any Sub Oscillator bleeding to the outputs on the unit I have.

  David

  Laurie Curry wrote:
  > I believe I also hear some leakage from my RM circuit....
  > -----Original message-----
  > From: "Max Fazio" faxiomas@...
  > Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 02:47:54 -0600
  > To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: [yamahacs80] problem: audible modulations at no playing.
  >
  > Hi, writing here for a friend's CS80.
  > My friend found a strange problem: when he does set the ringmod's
  > speed at full with modulation at full , the sound coming from the
  > modulator is quite hearable : the fact is that this sound you can hear
  > even without playing anything on the keyboard; same problem happens
  > with the SubOScillator: when he sets the speed at full, the sound can
  > be heard without any key pressed.
  > I believe there must be something wrong with some preamps in OE1 board
  > or PRA's muting FETs, my idea is to look at R51/52 to see if is there
  > any faulty resistor concerning the Suboscillator.
  >
  > Anyway I'm looking for your savvy advices.
  > Thx for anyreply.
  > 



   

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Re: [yamahacs80] problem: audible modulations at no playing.

2008-06-10 by Max Fazio

Hi Laurie
I too believe that a bit of effect could spring up because of background noise, it's always a 30 year old analog monster, here though the effect is unnaturally loud...
M
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Laurie Curry 
  To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] problem: audible modulations at no playing.


  I believe I also hear some leakage from my RM circuit....
  -----Original message-----
  From: "Max Fazio" faxiomas@...
  Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 02:47:54 -0600
  To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [yamahacs80] problem: audible modulations at no playing.

  Hi, writing here for a friend's CS80.
  My friend found a strange problem: when he does set the ringmod's
  speed at full with modulation at full , the sound coming from the
  modulator is quite hearable : the fact is that this sound you can hear
  even without playing anything on the keyboard; same problem happens
  with the SubOScillator: when he sets the speed at full, the sound can
  be heard without any key pressed.
  I believe there must be something wrong with some preamps in OE1 board
  or PRA's muting FETs, my idea is to look at R51/52 to see if is there
  any faulty resistor concerning the Suboscillator.

  Anyway I'm looking for your savvy advices.
  Thx for anyreply.
  M 

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Re: [yamahacs80] problem: audible modulations at no playing.

2008-06-10 by rj krohn

i do have a slight background noise when not playing, although its not too problematic really.

another thing i notice, that im wondering if anyone else sees, is i occasionally get a wierd VERY high pitched noise when playing chords on certain patches. it sounds like a buildup of very high harmonics or something. this only showed itself after the full recap of the M-boards and PRA board. 
       

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Re: problem: audible modulations at no playing.

2008-06-10 by erikfromhere

Ringmodulator
When I set the rm's modulation-slider at max, there's some small 
increase of noise (like white noise etc), the speed setting has no 
effect and can not be heard.

Sub osc:
when I select saw up, saw down, pulse or noise, I can hear the lfo 
when I set the speed and vcf-destionation-slider at max. Vca- and vco 
slider settings have no effect.
However, when trying this I noticed that the lfo-speed could be heard 
as triggers at my left output. This disappeared when I opened up the 
panel. My guess is that it was caused by the multicable that runs at 
the right side. During the past 30 years, it has bended the PRA-board 
a bit to the left. Either the cable caused some crosstalk itself with 
the PRA-board or it caused the PRA to crosstalk with it's neighbour, 
OE2. Everytime you close the panel, the cable will rest in a slightly 
different position. Still, the SUB-board it miles away from all this 
so I guess it must be the multicable. You never know with this 
synth...


--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Curry" <laurie@...> wrote:
>
> I believe I also hear some leakage from my RM circuit....
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Max Fazio" faxiomas@...
> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 02:47:54 -0600
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [yamahacs80] problem: audible modulations at no playing.
> 
> Hi, writing here for a friend's CS80.
> My friend found a strange problem: when he does set the ringmod's
> speed at full with modulation at full , the sound coming from the
> modulator is quite hearable : the fact is that this sound you can 
hear
> even without playing anything on the keyboard; same problem happens
> with the SubOScillator: when he sets the speed at full, the sound 
can
> be heard without any key pressed.
> I believe there must be something wrong with some preamps in OE1 
board
> or PRA's muting FETs, my idea is to look at R51/52 to see if is 
there
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> any faulty resistor concerning the Suboscillator.
> 
> Anyway I'm looking for your savvy advices.
> Thx for anyreply.
> M 
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