To David , Tommy and whoever interested (long) Re: [arturiacs-80v] Re: Hello new members!!
2005-06-05 by Max Fazio
Hi all and David I want things to be clear once for all I'm not involved in any way with Arturia. I don't know anything about electronics I don't know anything about coding software I played a real CS-80 back in the days and I fell in love with its sound. I am a hard Vangelis fan , sometimes people tends to say there is difference between an instrument and the music composed on it but I think that some music couldn't have been the same without a certain instrument ( why playing a Stradivari or a Guarnieri when the same music you can do with every given violin? ) Some time ago in the early days of CS-80V I had a positive exchange of ideas with developer Xavier Oudin, and this exchange has become during time more frequent, at the point to be a friendly exchange... When I bought CS-80V I didn't hear much resemblance ,anyway it captured something of the hard synth and I was unsatisfied of this software to be just an unfinished work. I wanted the software, if not nailing the thing like hell, to be closer at least. So I began to write to CS-80 users asking about this or that. When I write to Xavier I say things like : \ufffdFor what I heard the original sounded like this ( the ringmodulator made this, the aftertouch behaved like that etc. ), and the V sounded like that\ufffd, then Xavier replies : \ufffdI watched the diagrams and the circuitation has this path\ufffd or \ufffdI will test and see if you're right\ufffd.(Xavier never asked me about technical things or to forward a question of him to other people) Sometimes I was right, sometimes I was wrong. When I asked things to CS-80 users I made questions first for personal knowledge, since people at Arturia have their own CS-80 to model a software around and their developement staff has *yet* all the documentation to work on it. The only real feedback I had about a real CS-80 by the CS-80 owners' Group was a reply of Scott Rider ( Old Crow ) who kindly explained me how waves were generated by the VCO-WaveShapingCircuit path in the synth and from another guy who addressed me to the manual for the presets...rest was silence until someone, don't remember who , asked me *why* all these technical questions, then I explained I was giving a hand to Xavier, but perhaps I didn't expressed myself the way I wanted; I couldn't practically give Xavier a hand because I haven't any technical knowledge as I told above and for sure he wouldn't pass me their technology as it is patented....so one more time I'm sorry with CS-80 owners for having not been transparent since the beginning ( or for having not told a lie ? ). Just one point : David, if you (and anybody here) will read again my mails posted into the CS-80group you will see that , even if sometimes deeply technical, they *never* put anyone into hurry, as you could see people didn't fight to reply me ;-) Tommy and I had some points to agree to in the forum and we started PM each other, discussing about this and that of CS-80. He was soo kind to make some audio files for me . I told him I was testing some improvements that Xavier submitted me in order to get a closer sound. The audio files were for me and not for Xavier, I frankly urged to hear the machine with its pure sound , without all the outboard that recordings put on it. They were fabulous, he made me also have a listen to some of his compositions and they sound simply beautiful ( I can't tell what balance is between Tommy's genius and the beauty of CS80 sound :- ) ). I have them for a personal archive and sometimes they cleared me some ideas about touch response etc. CS-80V 1.5 has fixed bugs to: portamento/glissando initial pitchbend filters' random disactivation exp/wah problems improved things on Chorus/Tremolo ( the only thing I could give myself a reward was to show Xavier that CS-80 chorus wasn't a common chorus and that the two sections were independently working, he didn't realise its particular design at that moment ), even if some things need still improvement Ringmodulator ( the routing didn't allow a correct MOD and the DEPTH-AD section suffered from an uncorrect design and many bugs ) Waveforms ( on the sawtooth I forwarded Xavier the study that Crow made on the waveforms , he tested it on his CS80 and agreed with me about changing the sawtooth's shape ) Tuning ( even if a perfect M-boards design wasn't possible each of the 8 voices can be set to a different fine tune to get some non-perfect behaviour ) More things have to be improved to get what I think a sound of a CS-80 should be. I am devoted to the CS-80 and I just want its spirit to last when the hardware will be too few to hear and to hard to restore. Nothing more, nothing less. Hope to be exhaustive. Any question or request for clearing is welcome. Cheers! Max ----- Original Message -----
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From: "David Rogoff" <david@...> To: <arturiacs-80v@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:15 PM Subject: [arturiacs-80v] Re: Hello new members!! > --- In arturiacs-80v@yahoogroups.com, "oasysfan2" <bgarratt@b...> wrote: > > --- In arturiacs-80v@yahoogroups.com, "David Rogoff" > > <david@t...> wrote: > > > --- In arturiacs-80v@yahoogroups.com, "oasysfan2" > > <bgarratt@b...> wrote: > > > > > The warmest of welcomes at the CS-80V Group. > > Immediate interacion > > > > > required ;-) !!! > > > > > max > > > > > > > > Is it OK to discuss the original CS-80? > > > > > > It would make more sense to discuss the real CS-80 in the > > real CS-80 > > > Yahoo group: > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80. Come on > > > over! > > > > > > David > > > > Well, that's what I thought too, but my questions about the CS-80 > > got several responses here and no response there. Max has > > asked many questions about the CS-80 and gotten mostly > > silence. It's unfortunate, because I know yamahacs80 has a > > number of experienced and knowledgeable CS-80 > > owners/players. Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the feeling that > > asking questions about the CS-80 in the interest of improving > > the CS-80V offends people in the yamahacs80 group. > > No, the problem with Max's questions was that he asked a bunch of > urgent, very detailed technical questions without saying why he needed > the information to quickly. It sounded like someone trying to get > help with school homework! Once he finally explained that he was > gathering info for the CS80v, it made more sense, but he should have > stated that at the beginning. Some people, including me, were not > happy that he was trying to use us as an unpaid, uninformed research > tool for Arturia. > > I having nothing against the CS80v, and look forward to buying a copy > in the near future to use with my MIDIBoard. I also don't mind having > the CS80 community help with issues that will make CS80v better, but > this should be done in an up-front manner, perhaps with a beta program > so that CS80 owners get some benefit from their work. > > David > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >