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Some of you probably know me (by name if not by reputation), others 
might be seeing me for the first time.  My name is Scott Rider, aka the 
Old Crow.  I've been doing synthesizer design and repair work for many 
years, with a particular emphasis on the Yamaha CS line, as well as some 
of their digital instruments.

  I maintain the website http://www.cs80.com/ where I try to explain in
relatively simple terms what is involved in opening, inspecting and
repairing CS-80 problems.  In recent years, however, I've been
concentrating on how to construct the equivalent circuits of various
Yamaha custon ICs, with the goal of making circuit boards useful for
CS-50/60/80 repairs that work and sound like the originals, just without
the problems of trying to track down the getting-harder-to-find parts.
Thus far I have been able to create the "standard parts" equivalents to
the envelope generators, filters and VCA chips.  I am currently working on 
the VCO (I have a working prototype the reproduces the 'flawed sawtooth' 
exactly).  I've also made replacement SH and TKC boards.  Designed but not 
yet boarded is a new KAS (key assigner) designed to replace the original 
KAS, and add a few features such as integral MIDI.

  Finally, thinking of it to be of some interest, I have also been 
breaking open the epoxy-potted NE submodule series as used in the GX-1 
(and [C]SY-1, [C]SY-2) in order to re-create those voice elements.  Thus 
far I have the highpass, bandpass and lowpass filters figured out.  The 
NE11000 VCO module is next.  Some info available here:
http://www.cs80.com/ne_proj.html

  Regards,

Crow
/**/

Hi Scott,

I tried emailing you directly from you site but they kept bouncing 
back... glad to have bumped into you here. I have a question for you. 
It's about the selection of which voice is playing (great site by the 
way) when tuning. You say on your site that the voices play in order 
after switching on. But to get voice 8 you have to hit a key 4 times 
and hold it, and the next voice played is voice 8. This is slightly 
confusing - are you saying that after powering on you can hit single 
notes and it will increment from 1 to 7? But you need to do the "4 
hit - hold and then one hit" for voice 8 ONLY????

I hope that I've explained my confusion un-confusingly...?

Cheers for now.
TOM


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>   Some of you probably know me (by name if not by reputation), 
others 
> might be seeing me for the first time.  My name is Scott Rider, aka 
the 
> Old Crow

The original key encoder is a strange bit of logic.  Originally designed
for the 4-voice CS-50, but with options to assign from 4 to 8 keys, some
of the logic for 4 voices still applies.  The key rollover logic triggers
voice 8 if voice 4, 5, 6, or 7 is in use.  So, the pressing a key 4 (or 5
or 6 or 7) times and holding it while pressing another key is the only way
to sound voice #8.  At least it is the only voice number that needs this
keying method.

  I think the key assigner chip is kit-bashed from one of Yamaha's organ 
key encoders, which typically (in 1975) encoded up to 7 keys per manual.  
Adding that 8th note involved a bit of 'bodge-work' to the existing 7-key 
design.

  The actual reading of keys is also interesting; they used a ternary 
(base-3) encoding system, which is hard to do in a modern 5-volt-only 
microcontroller.  (I don't even try to do the ternary encoding in my 
microcontroller code for the KAS replacement project.  Much easier to do a 
"normal" binary key-scanner and frob the results into Yamaha-like keycodes 
and time slots.

  Hope this helps,

Crow
/**/

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Quazimodo wrote:

> Hi Scott,
> 
> I tried emailing you directly from you site but they kept bouncing
> back... glad to have bumped into you here. I have a question for you.  
> It's about the selection of which voice is playing (great site by the
> way) when tuning. You say on your site that the voices play in order
> after switching on. But to get voice 8 you have to hit a key 4 times and
> hold it, and the next voice played is voice 8. This is slightly
> confusing - are you saying that after powering on you can hit single
> notes and it will increment from 1 to 7? But you need to do the "4 hit -
> hold and then one hit" for voice 8 ONLY????
> 
> I hope that I've explained my confusion un-confusingly...?
> 
> Cheers for now.
> TOM

Yes, thanks Scott.

It all makes sense now...;^)

Cheers.
TOM



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> 
>   The original key encoder is a strange bit of logic....
> > > 
>   Hope this helps,
> 
> Crow
> /**/

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i dig it, sounds really nice. i usually dont like the onboard chorus, but this sounds good. are you using the stereo outputs, or are the pans done in recording?

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hey guys, here is an audio file of the wierd voice(voice 3). i
scrolled through 7 voices on several different presets so you can hear
the differences.

the calibration of the bad voice VCF is as follows-i set each trim pot
to the resistance value of a "good" voice for HPF,LPF, and VCF EG.
this was the closest i could get to normal. if i calibrated by ear via
the manual panel settings, it would sound completely off on a preset.

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I uploaded a list of some components that I replaced successfully. 
I think that everybody who did a mod should do this (after checking)... would be very useful for the mail list!
Hope this helps
Any suggestion / correction welcome!

Ciao from Napoli

Fernando



Il giorno 06/apr/2011, alle ore 22.27, yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com ha scritto:

> 
> Hello,
> 
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the yamahacs80 
> group.
> 
> File : /List CS80 replacement parts.pdf 
> Uploaded by : papinje <fernandozarone@...> 
> Description : List of replacement caps / parts 
> 
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/files/List%20CS80%20replacement%20parts.pdf 
> 
> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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> Regards,
> 
> papinje <fernandozarone@...>
> 
> 
> 



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>
> 	
>
> 	Fernando Zarone <mailto:fernandozarone@...>
> April 6, 2011 1:30 PM
>
>
> I uploaded a list of some components that I replaced successfully.
> I think that everybody who did a mod should do this (after 
> checking)... would be very useful for the mail list!
> Hope this helps
> Any suggestion / correction welcome!
>
Thanks Fernando!

I just finished fixing the CS80 that's been in my house for several 
months.  It felt really good closing up the case and putting in the last 
screws!  A little finish work on a couple of Polymoogs and my repair 
shop is closed for a while.  Then I can work on collating all the part 
replacement lists.

  David



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Great, David!
thanks for your precious support to us CS fans...

Fernando



Il giorno 07/apr/2011, alle ore 07.14, David Rogoff ha scritto:

> >
> > 
> >
> > Fernando Zarone <mailto:fernandozarone@...>
> > April 6, 2011 1:30 PM
> >
> >
> > I uploaded a list of some components that I replaced successfully.
> > I think that everybody who did a mod should do this (after 
> > checking)... would be very useful for the mail list!
> > Hope this helps
> > Any suggestion / correction welcome!
> >
> Thanks Fernando!
> 
> I just finished fixing the CS80 that's been in my house for several 
> months. It felt really good closing up the case and putting in the last 
> screws! A little finish work on a couple of Polymoogs and my repair 
> shop is closed for a while. Then I can work on collating all the part 
> replacement lists.
> 
> David
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 



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hey guys-quick question: is the DK-40 anything similar to the EX/GX series? is it worthy of note, as far as synths go? just curious-thanks, rj		


 



  










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'afternoon-

 

> hey guys-quick question: is the DK-40 anything similar to the EX/GX
series? 

>is it worthy of note, as far as synths go? just curious-thanks, rj 



The DK40 is fairly early and very much mostly 'just an organ' rather than a
polysynth in organ's clothes. It's almost all discrete (i.e., transistors)
inside with the exception of (1) the dividers for the tone generator and (2)
the amp that drives the reverb spring.

 

Some details here at the bottom of this page on my web-site:

http://frank.gadgetland.net/03_electronic_organs_05_Some_Yamaha_Electones.cf
m

 

Even the keyboard solo synth actually derives its tones from the organ
dividers (came as quite a surprise when I found *that* in the service
manual). So about the only 'synthy' thing about it would be the separate
'portamento' manual (ribbon controller to the left of the solo-synth keys),
and that's pretty basic.

 

That said, I've always wanted to try the DK40, but have never managed to be
in the right place at the right time.

 

Frank

 



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Hi all, 

where to check the calibration voltages?  The Ground: from every single board, from the metal board cage rails ? 
And the voltages? from the PSU PCB or at every board's points?

They are different and in the manual it is not clearly evidenced.

Thanks

F

I have a DK-40A and I really love it.
It's quirky, interesting, 1970's... and an absolute JOY to spend time playing..!!!!

Cheerz,
TOM


--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Vanaman" <fvanaman@...> wrote:

>
> 'afternoon-
> 
>  
> 
> > hey guys-quick question: is the DK-40 anything similar to the EX/GX
> series? 
> 
> >is it worthy of note, as far as synths go? just curious-thanks, rj 
> 
> 
> 
> The DK40 is fairly early and very much mostly 'just an organ' rather than a
> polysynth in organ's clothes. It's almost all discrete (i.e., transistors)
> inside with the exception of (1) the dividers for the tone generator and (2)
> the amp that drives the reverb spring.
> 
>  
> 
> Some details here at the bottom of this page on my web-site:
> 
> http://frank.gadgetland.net/03_electronic_organs_05_Some_Yamaha_Electones.cf
> m
> 
>  
> 
> Even the keyboard solo synth actually derives its tones from the organ
> dividers (came as quite a surprise when I found *that* in the service
> manual). So about the only 'synthy' thing about it would be the separate
> 'portamento' manual (ribbon controller to the left of the solo-synth keys),
> and that's pretty basic.
> 
>  
> 
> That said, I've always wanted to try the DK40, but have never managed to be
> in the right place at the right time.
> 
>  
> 
> Frank
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I have various service manuals in electronic format for the DK-40 series of organs. Let me know if you want to see them.

From: rj krohn 
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 5:43 PM
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [yamahacs80] Yamaha DK-40


  
hey guys-quick question: is the DK-40 anything similar to the EX/GX series? is it worthy of note, as far as synths go? just curious-thanks, rj 

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is it me !again! or is this pdf blank?-thanks

--- On Mon, 7/30/12, yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

From: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [yamahacs80] New file uploaded to yamahacs80
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 30, 2012, 8:48 AM
















 



  


    
      
      
      

Hello,



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It's no blank on my desktop, but blank on my iPhone.  Odd.



On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:12 AM, robert hall <rbhall7ice@...> wrote:

> is it me !again! or is this pdf blank?-thanks
> 
> --- On Mon, 7/30/12, yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> From: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [yamahacs80] New file uploaded to yamahacs80
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, July 30, 2012, 8:48 AM
> 
>  
> 
> Hello,
> 
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> 
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the yamahacs80 
> 
> group.
> 
> File : /YamahaCSTroubleshootingAndAlignment.pdf 
> 
> Uploaded by : scituate_mass <sneakyflute@...> 
> 
> Description : Yamaha CS Series Troubleshooting Hints and Adjustment Procedures 
> 
> You can access this file at the URL:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/files/YamahaCSTroubleshootingAndAlignment.pdf 
> 
> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
> 
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> 
> scituate_mass <sneakyflute@...>
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> 

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I've encountered the same problems with a few PDF:s on my iphone 4.

Fredrik Segerfalk
www.analogsweden.com
http://www.facebook.com/analogsweden



J. Douglas Rodriguez skrev 2012-07-30 20:41:
>
> It's no blank on my desktop, but blank on my iPhone. Odd.
>
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:12 AM, robert hall <rbhall7ice@... 
> <mailto:rbhall7ice%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> > is it me !again! or is this pdf blank?-thanks
> >
> > --- On Mon, 7/30/12, yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:yamahacs80%40yahoogroups.com> <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:yamahacs80%40yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
> >
> > From: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:yamahacs80%40yahoogroups.com> <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:yamahacs80%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Subject: [yamahacs80] New file uploaded to yamahacs80
> > To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com <mailto:yamahacs80%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Monday, July 30, 2012, 8:48 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > This email message is a notification to let you know that
> >
> > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the yamahacs80
> >
> > group.
> >
> > File : /YamahaCSTroubleshootingAndAlignment.pdf
> >
> > Uploaded by : scituate_mass <sneakyflute@gmail.com 
> <mailto:sneakyflute%40gmail.com>>
> >
> > Description : Yamaha CS Series Troubleshooting Hints and Adjustment 
> Procedures
> >
> > You can access this file at the URL:
> >
> > 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/files/YamahaCSTroubleshootingAndAlignment.pdf 
>
> >
> > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
> >
> > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > scituate_mass <sneakyflute@... <mailto:sneakyflute%40gmail.com>>
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 


-- 


Fredrik Segerfalk
phone +46 709 410988
skype segerfalk

Studio/synthesizers
www.analogsweden.com
http://www.facebook.com/analogsweden

Photography
www.segerfalk.com

My music
http://soundcloud.com/blissful-architect
http://soundcloud.com/falq

Apps for kids (iPad)

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/peka-och-sjung/id497521421?mt=8
http://itunes.apple.com/se/app/pekbok-3d-djuren-i-skoge/id429901306?mt=8



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hm.... yeah, it looks blank even to me (the uploader) when I view it via a web browser, but it's OK when I download it. I will put a copy of the full scan here:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~damont/YamahaCSSeriesTroubleshootingHintsandAdjustmentProcedures.pdf

If someone else is better at shrinking files, please do so and re-upload to the group site.

I also just purchased an original "CS Series Servicing Guide" that I will be scanning and uploading in the near future. I think many who, like me, don't know all that much about how this thing works will find it very useful.

enjoy!

DT

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, Fredrik Segerfalk <fredrik@...> wrote:

>
> I've encountered the same problems with a few PDF:s on my iphone 4.
> 
> Fredrik Segerfalk
> www.analogsweden.com
> http://www.facebook.com/analogsweden
> 
> 
> 
> J. Douglas Rodriguez skrev 2012-07-30 20:41:
> >
> > It's no blank on my desktop, but blank on my iPhone. Odd.
> >
> > On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:12 AM, robert hall <rbhall7ice@... 
> > <mailto:rbhall7ice%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > is it me !again! or is this pdf blank?-thanks
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 7/30/12, yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:yamahacs80%40yahoogroups.com> <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:yamahacs80%40yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:yamahacs80%40yahoogroups.com> <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:yamahacs80%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Subject: [yamahacs80] New file uploaded to yamahacs80
> > > To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com <mailto:yamahacs80%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Monday, July 30, 2012, 8:48 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > This email message is a notification to let you know that
> > >
> > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the yamahacs80
> > >
> > > group.
> > >
> > > File : /YamahaCSTroubleshootingAndAlignment.pdf
> > >
> > > Uploaded by : scituate_mass <sneakyflute@... 
> > <mailto:sneakyflute%40gmail.com>>
> > >
> > > Description : Yamaha CS Series Troubleshooting Hints and Adjustment 
> > Procedures
> > >
> > > You can access this file at the URL:
> > >
> > > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/files/YamahaCSTroubleshootingAndAlignment.pdf 
> >
> > >
> > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
> > >
> > > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > scituate_mass <sneakyflute@... <mailto:sneakyflute%40gmail.com>>
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Fredrik Segerfalk
> phone +46 709 410988
> skype segerfalk
> 
> Studio/synthesizers
> www.analogsweden.com
> http://www.facebook.com/analogsweden
> 
> Photography
> www.segerfalk.com
> 
> My music
> http://soundcloud.com/blissful-architect
> http://soundcloud.com/falq
> 
> Apps for kids (iPad)
> 
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/peka-och-sjung/id497521421?mt=8
> http://itunes.apple.com/se/app/pekbok-3d-djuren-i-skoge/id429901306?mt=8
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Even my new upload looks kind of weird online. But at least it's not blank... and it looks OK downloaded. I was using someone else's scanner and it wouldn't work with Photoshop, only with the built in HP software (yuck). Well... download it and you should be able to view. I'll do the Servicing Guide on a high quality scanner at work (off hours of course).

--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "scituate_mass" <sneakyflute@...> wrote:

>
> hm.... yeah, it looks blank even to me (the uploader) when I view it via a web browser, but it's OK when I download it. I will put a copy of the full scan here:
> 
> http://www-personal.umich.edu/~damont/YamahaCSSeriesTroubleshootingHintsandAdjustmentProcedures.pdf
> 
> If someone else is better at shrinking files, please do so and re-upload to the group site.
> 
> I also just purchased an original "CS Series Servicing Guide" that I will be scanning and uploading in the near future. I think many who, like me, don't know all that much about how this thing works will find it very useful.
> 
> enjoy!
> 
> DT
> 
> --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, Fredrik Segerfalk <fredrik@> wrote:
> >
> > I've encountered the same problems with a few PDF:s on my iphone 4.
> > 
> > Fredrik Segerfalk
> > www.analogsweden.com
> > http://www.facebook.com/analogsweden
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > J. Douglas Rodriguez skrev 2012-07-30 20:41:
> > >
> > > It's no blank on my desktop, but blank on my iPhone. Odd.
> > >
> > > On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:12 AM, robert hall <rbhall7ice@ 
> > > <mailto:rbhall7ice%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > is it me !again! or is this pdf blank?-thanks
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 7/30/12, yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
> > > <mailto:yamahacs80%40yahoogroups.com> <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
> > > <mailto:yamahacs80%40yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
> > > <mailto:yamahacs80%40yahoogroups.com> <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
> > > <mailto:yamahacs80%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > > Subject: [yamahacs80] New file uploaded to yamahacs80
> > > > To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com <mailto:yamahacs80%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Date: Monday, July 30, 2012, 8:48 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > This email message is a notification to let you know that
> > > >
> > > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the yamahacs80
> > > >
> > > > group.
> > > >
> > > > File : /YamahaCSTroubleshootingAndAlignment.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Uploaded by : scituate_mass <sneakyflute@ 
> > > <mailto:sneakyflute%40gmail.com>>
> > > >
> > > > Description : Yamaha CS Series Troubleshooting Hints and Adjustment 
> > > Procedures
> > > >
> > > > You can access this file at the URL:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahacs80/files/YamahaCSTroubleshootingAndAlignment.pdf 
> > >
> > > >
> > > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
> > > >
> > > > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > scituate_mass <sneakyflute@ <mailto:sneakyflute%40gmail.com>>
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > 
> > Fredrik Segerfalk
> > phone +46 709 410988
> > skype segerfalk
> > 
> > Studio/synthesizers
> > www.analogsweden.com
> > http://www.facebook.com/analogsweden
> > 
> > Photography
> > www.segerfalk.com
> > 
> > My music
> > http://soundcloud.com/blissful-architect
> > http://soundcloud.com/falq
> > 
> > Apps for kids (iPad)
> > 
> > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/peka-och-sjung/id497521421?mt=8
> > http://itunes.apple.com/se/app/pekbok-3d-djuren-i-skoge/id429901306?mt=8
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Dear friends,

I'm not sure if all of you are informed about recent situation
concerning Sibelius score editor software. Please read this and  
consider signing a
petition, I did it one week ago as Sibelius user since the version 1
and member of Sibelius yahoo group. Spread this info please to all  
your music
friends and ask them to sign.

Here's what we can do:
http://www.artsjournal.com/slippeddisc/2012/08/at-sibelius-software-the-last-staff-turn-out-the-lights.html

Thanks, hopefully this invaluable piece of software can be saved.

Daniel Forro

Just looked into this. Blah.  I don't use this, but I have composer 
friends who do. I don't know if any boycott or campaign has a chance of 
bringing back development or getting Avid to sell the program.  I guess 
it's keep running it until it doesn't work anymore and hope Finale is 
still around then!

This kind of software is incredibly difficult to write, has a fairly 
small market, and users who want it to be easy and fast since they're 
probably under huge time pressure.  Many years ago (1986?) I was helping 
to convert a hand-written orchestra score into parts using the 
Synclavier's Music Printing software.  The basic info was entered as 
text and then displayed on a VT100 text terminal with a special graphics 
card.  No mouse - just arrow keys.  It was very slow and very painful.  
I think I did about 30 measures before I quit :)

I also doubt campaign has any chance, because its target is not quite  
clear and because nobody at firm will listen to customers. But we can  
just try it, that's all.

Yes, of course there's Finale, Score, Capella, Notion, LilyPond,  
MuseScore, Rosegarden, name some others... Sibelius is not perfect,  
and I don't think it's a good idea to try to connect standard music  
notation editor with live playback (it's too much incompatible ways of  
representing music), and lot of important features was still missing  
in Sibelius (microtonality, polymetrics, polytempo, Japanese  
instruments tablatures...) but never mind, it was fast and easy to use.

And all that competition on the market helped to develop the other  
software as well. Even Finale could benefit from Sibelius features and  
ideas and at least to be inspired.

And let's not forget please that next one to kill can be Finale...

I don't think there's a small market for score editor - such software  
is used not only by composers or arrangers but in music education,  
score publishing houses...

And such software like Sibelius was developed exactly to avoid slow  
and painful text input :-)

Daniel Forro

On Aug 4, 2012, at 10:44 AM, David Rogoff wrote:

> Just looked into this. Blah.  I don't use this, but I have composer
> friends who do. I don't know if any boycott or campaign has a chance  
> of
> bringing back development or getting Avid to sell the program.  I  
> guess
> it's keep running it until it doesn't work anymore and hope Finale is
> still around then!
>
> This kind of software is incredibly difficult to write, has a fairly
> small market, and users who want it to be easy and fast since they're
> probably under huge time pressure.  Many years ago (1986?) I was  
> helping
> to convert a hand-written orchestra score into parts using the
> Synclavier's Music Printing software.  The basic info was entered as
> text and then displayed on a VT100 text terminal with a special  
> graphics
> card.  No mouse - just arrow keys.  It was very slow and very painful.
> I think I did about 30 measures before I quit :)

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