Yamaha CS80

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  Subject: [yamahacs80] KSR Pics


  I have posted some photos up of CS80's having a little get together:)
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From: "kent_spong" <kent_spong@...>
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Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 5:58 PM
Subject: [yamahacs80] KSR Pics


> I have posted some photos up of CS80's having a little get together:)
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I have posted some photos up of CS80's having a little get together:)
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> Hi David, 
> 
> The knobs and sliders you refer too on the mod panel is the Dynamic Unison, 
> Dimension C and Phase Shifter controls. 
> 
> The Dynamic Unison is a auto switching mono to poly controller using the old 
> on/off, chorus and tremolo buttons. 
> 
> Then there is a Dimension C chorus/ensemble like the Boss CE1. These use the 
> four silver buttons for the different fx amounts. And the on off is the old 
> wha button. 
> 
> The Phase Shifter is a four, eight and twelve stage unit with stepping and 
> rise only and fall only. 
> 
> Other mods on it include midi   in ,through and out.  Yes that's right midi 
> out :) 
> 
> And best of all it's my CS80. 
> 
> The one to the left of mine is having a sixteen independent LFO mod done to 
> her with a/t control. 
> 
> 
> At the moment I am working on a keyboard split mod and a full break out box 
> to integrate with modelers like the MOTM and Synthesizer.com 
> 
> P.S. Your CS is the one behind mine  :) 
> 
> Kent 
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>From: blchrr@...
>Reply-To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
>To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: KSR Pics
>Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:15:01 +0100
>
>Wow....wow...wow.... CS80 with a Dimension D built in.... Bloody hell!
>Kent are we talking a DC-2 pedal or a Dimension D rack or a clone?
>
>Can you do that mod on any CS80 if say a Boss DC-2 was provided :)
>
>Rob.
>
> > Hi David,
> >
> > The knobs and sliders you refer too on the mod panel is the Dynamic 
>Unison,
> > Dimension C and Phase Shifter controls.
> >
> > The Dynamic Unison is a auto switching mono to poly controller using the 
>old
> > on/off, chorus and tremolo buttons.
> >
> > Then there is a Dimension C chorus/ensemble like the Boss CE1. These use 
>the
> > four silver buttons for the different fx amounts. And the on off is the 
>old
> > wha button.
> >
> > The Phase Shifter is a four, eight and twelve stage unit with stepping 
>and
> > rise only and fall only.
> >
> > Other mods on it include midi   in ,through and out.  Yes that's right 
>midi
> > out :)
> >
> > And best of all it's my CS80.
> >
> > The one to the left of mine is having a sixteen independent LFO mod done 
>to
> > her with a/t control.
> >
> >
> > At the moment I am working on a keyboard split mod and a full break out 
>box
> > to integrate with modelers like the MOTM and Synthesizer.com
> >
> > P.S. Your CS is the one behind mine  :)
> >
> > Kent
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> I have posted some photos up of CS80's having a little get together:)
> Kent
>

>From: "matrix" <matrixsynth@...>
>Reply-To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
>To: <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] KSR Pics
>Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:29:56 -0700
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> >Other mods on it include midi   in ,through and out.  Yes that's right 
>midi
> >out :)
>
>Does it transmit poly-aftertouch?  I'm almost afraid of either answer.  : )
>
>Cheers,
>-matrix
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  From: kent spong 
  To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 1:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] KSR Pics



  Hi Matrix,

  Sorry my friend  but yes it does.

  >From: "matrix" <matrixsynth@...>
  >Reply-To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
  >To: <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com>
  >Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] KSR Pics
  >Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:29:56 -0700
  >
  > >Other mods on it include midi   in ,through and out.  Yes that's right 
  >midi
  > >out :)
  >
  >Does it transmit poly-aftertouch?  I'm almost afraid of either answer.  : )
  >
  >Cheers,
  >-matrix
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>From: "erikfromhere" <erikfromhere@...>
>Reply-To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
>To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: KSR Pics
>Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:24:21 -0000
>
>Hi Kent,
>great pics! Where can I buy the seed ?
>
>Please tell me more about the 16 lfo mod. Do you mean independent PWM-
>lfo's for each voice (I think that will give a nice result on PWM-
>chords), or the lfo that controls vca, vcf and vco ? They will have
>the 'same' basic-speed but have differtent phases, will they ?
>
>The keyboard-split sounds nice to me too !
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>Erik
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>From: "erikfromhere" <erikfromhere@...>
>Reply-To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
>To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [yamahacs80] KSR mods
>Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 19:59:54 -0000
>
>Hi Kent,
>
>thanks for the explenation. 64 vca-ic's, that's a lot of rare ic's.
>I thought you would generate the extra lfo's digitally ;-)
>Personally, I don't need the seperate lfo-mod. However, I find it
>difficult to program nice string-sounds on the CS80. I don't even
>come close to the strings of an prophet, jupiter or OB-8 etc.
>There's allways too much or too little PWM. It just sounds to much
>modulated and not as a rich stringsound. I don't know why, is it the
>filter ? I guess (!) that having the PWM lfo phase-shifted for each
>voice seperatly could give nice results, maybe a simple circuit
>would do the trick ? Why would we need to have the PWM on all voices
>phase-synced, I don't anyway ?
>
>Can you explain the unison-mod a little ? Can you choose 2-,4- and 8-
>voice ? Can you play a 2-unison 4-voice polyphonic etc etc ?
>
>We would love to know what kind of mods can be done by you, maybe
>some of us are interested in your modifications and have them let
>done by you (as soon as you have your garden cleaned up).
>
>Do you have the CS80's re-tolexed by yourself or is someone else
>specialised in this ? I think it's a hell of a job, isn't it ?
>I suspect you have a crane to lift the complete circuits out of the
>case in one piece to give you room to retolex ;-)
>
>Please go on restoring and fixing these great machines !
>Erik
>
>
>--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "kent spong" <kent_spong@...>
>wrote:
> >
> > Hi Erik,
> >
> > Yes that's right. The 16 IG00150 VCO's are for the VCO, VCF and
>VCA of the
> > LFO section and are also controlled by the after touch too. The
>only down
> > side to this mod is the 64 IG00151 VCA IC's it uses. The whole
>thing is
> > switched in and out on the LFO EXT point on the waveshape slider
>and also
> > swiches out on the EXT Modulation socket on the back. So there is
>no change
> > to the front panel of the 80 at all. However,  I am working on a
>totally
> > faithfull replacment front panel for the 80 to restore one's that
>have seen
> > to much damage over the years. I want to keep these fantastic
>machines going
> > for as long as I can.
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> Hi again, 
> 
> I do retolex the 80's myself but without removing the insides, thank god :) 
> 
> You are right about the string sounds on the 80 though. This is why Vangelis 
> used a VP330 so much in his China and Spiral albums. It is possible to get 
> quite a strong rich string sound from the 80 is you feed the VCO's directly 
> into a Moog ladder filter or an ARP 2600 one. We tried that here for a new 
> mod were working on, and the results were very promising indeed. 
> 
> The Unison mod on my 80 is controlled by how many keys are pressed. So one 
> key = 16 voice, but if you press 3 key down after it without lifting the 
> first key you get four voice on each key and so forth. You still have poly 
> glide in mono mode too. In other words, if you play a four note chord up the 
> top of the keyboard, let go and then go to mono mode and press just the 
> bottom C, the chord you played first glides down in four voice per note and 
> then joins at the bottom C in a earth shattering sixteen voice mono note 
> that can shatter a cows pelvis at four hundred yards. 
> 
> 
>>From: "erikfromhere" <erikfromhere@...>
>>Reply-To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
>>To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: [yamahacs80] KSR mods
>>Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 19:59:54 -0000 
>>
>>Hi Kent, 
>>
>>thanks for the explenation. 64 vca-ic's, that's a lot of rare ic's.
>>I thought you would generate the extra lfo's digitally ;-)
>>Personally, I don't need the seperate lfo-mod. However, I find it
>>difficult to program nice string-sounds on the CS80. I don't even
>>come close to the strings of an prophet, jupiter or OB-8 etc.
>>There's allways too much or too little PWM. It just sounds to much
>>modulated and not as a rich stringsound. I don't know why, is it the
>>filter ? I guess (!) that having the PWM lfo phase-shifted for each
>>voice seperatly could give nice results, maybe a simple circuit
>>would do the trick ? Why would we need to have the PWM on all voices
>>phase-synced, I don't anyway ? 
>>
>>Can you explain the unison-mod a little ? Can you choose 2-,4- and 8-
>>voice ? Can you play a 2-unison 4-voice polyphonic etc etc ? 
>>
>>We would love to know what kind of mods can be done by you, maybe
>>some of us are interested in your modifications and have them let
>>done by you (as soon as you have your garden cleaned up). 
>>
>>Do you have the CS80's re-tolexed by yourself or is someone else
>>specialised in this ? I think it's a hell of a job, isn't it ?
>>I suspect you have a crane to lift the complete circuits out of the
>>case in one piece to give you room to retolex ;-) 
>>
>>Please go on restoring and fixing these great machines !
>>Erik 
>>
>>
>>--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "kent spong" <kent_spong@...>
>>wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Erik,
>> >
>> > Yes that's right. The 16 IG00150 VCO's are for the VCO, VCF and
>>VCA of the
>> > LFO section and are also controlled by the after touch too. The
>>only down
>> > side to this mod is the 64 IG00151 VCA IC's it uses. The whole
>>thing is
>> > switched in and out on the LFO EXT point on the waveshape slider
>>and also
>> > swiches out on the EXT Modulation socket on the back. So there is
>>no change
>> > to the front panel of the 80 at all. However,  I am working on a
>>totally
>> > faithfull replacment front panel for the 80 to restore one's that
>>have seen
>> > to much damage over the years. I want to keep these fantastic
>>machines going
>> > for as long as I can.
>> >
>> >
>> > 
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>From: Tommy Priakos <tpriakos@...>
>Reply-To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
>To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [yamahacs80] KSR mods
>Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:19:04 -0700 (PDT)
>
>"Udderly" Diabolical!  Do you have a wav file of that? (not the pelvis 
>shattering, but of the glide?)
>
>   kent spong <kent_spong@...> wrote:
>     ...if you play a four note chord up at the top of the keyboard, let go 
>and then go to mono mode and press just the bottom C, the chord you played 
>first glides down in four voices per note and then joins at the bottom C in 
>an earth-shattering sixteen voice mono note that can shatter a cow's pelvis 
>at four hundred yards.
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>From: blchrr@...
>Reply-To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
>To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: KSR mods
>Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 23:25:06 +0100
>
>Kent,
>
>Out of interest what model Boss pedal did you use for the phaser in your
>CS80 mods, was it a PH-3? You mentioned it had three modes, the PH-2 had 
>two
>modes and the PH-3 has four modes...!
>
>Im still tyring to get over how bloody great those mods are...fantastic!!
>
>Regards,
>Rob.
>
> > Hi again,
> >
> > I do retolex the 80's myself but without removing the insides, thank god 
>:)
> >
> > You are right about the string sounds on the 80 though. This is why 
>Vangelis
> > used a VP330 so much in his China and Spiral albums. It is possible to 
>get
> > quite a strong rich string sound from the 80 is you feed the VCO's 
>directly
> > into a Moog ladder filter or an ARP 2600 one. We tried that here for a 
>new
> > mod were working on, and the results were very promising indeed.
> >
> > The Unison mod on my 80 is controlled by how many keys are pressed. So 
>one
> > key = 16 voice, but if you press 3 key down after it without lifting the
> > first key you get four voice on each key and so forth. You still have 
>poly
> > glide in mono mode too. In other words, if you play a four note chord up 
>the
> > top of the keyboard, let go and then go to mono mode and press just the
> > bottom C, the chord you played first glides down in four voice per note 
>and
> > then joins at the bottom C in a earth shattering sixteen voice mono note
> > that can shatter a cows pelvis at four hundred yards.
> >
> >
> >>From: "erikfromhere" <erikfromhere@...>
> >>Reply-To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> >>To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> >>Subject: [yamahacs80] KSR mods
> >>Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 19:59:54 -0000
> >>
> >>Hi Kent,
> >>
> >>thanks for the explenation. 64 vca-ic's, that's a lot of rare ic's.
> >>I thought you would generate the extra lfo's digitally ;-)
> >>Personally, I don't need the seperate lfo-mod. However, I find it
> >>difficult to program nice string-sounds on the CS80. I don't even
> >>come close to the strings of an prophet, jupiter or OB-8 etc.
> >>There's allways too much or too little PWM. It just sounds to much
> >>modulated and not as a rich stringsound. I don't know why, is it the
> >>filter ? I guess (!) that having the PWM lfo phase-shifted for each
> >>voice seperatly could give nice results, maybe a simple circuit
> >>would do the trick ? Why would we need to have the PWM on all voices
> >>phase-synced, I don't anyway ?
> >>
> >>Can you explain the unison-mod a little ? Can you choose 2-,4- and 8-
> >>voice ? Can you play a 2-unison 4-voice polyphonic etc etc ?
> >>
> >>We would love to know what kind of mods can be done by you, maybe
> >>some of us are interested in your modifications and have them let
> >>done by you (as soon as you have your garden cleaned up).
> >>
> >>Do you have the CS80's re-tolexed by yourself or is someone else
> >>specialised in this ? I think it's a hell of a job, isn't it ?
> >>I suspect you have a crane to lift the complete circuits out of the
> >>case in one piece to give you room to retolex ;-)
> >>
> >>Please go on restoring and fixing these great machines !
> >>Erik
> >>
> >>
> >>--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "kent spong" <kent_spong@...>
> >>wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi Erik,
> >> >
> >> > Yes that's right. The 16 IG00150 VCO's are for the VCO, VCF and
> >>VCA of the
> >> > LFO section and are also controlled by the after touch too. The
> >>only down
> >> > side to this mod is the 64 IG00151 VCA IC's it uses. The whole
> >>thing is
> >> > switched in and out on the LFO EXT point on the waveshape slider
> >>and also
> >> > swiches out on the EXT Modulation socket on the back. So there is
> >>no change
> >> > to the front panel of the 80 at all. However,  I am working on a
> >>totally
> >> > faithfull replacment front panel for the 80 to restore one's that
> >>have seen
> >> > to much damage over the years. I want to keep these fantastic
> >>machines going
> >> > for as long as I can.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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>Hi Erik,
>
>Yes that's right. The 16 IG00150 VCO's are for the VCO, VCF and VCA of the 
>LFO section and are also controlled by the after touch too. The only down 
>side to this mod is the 64 IG00151 VCA IC's it uses. The whole thing is 
>switched in and out on the LFO EXT point on the waveshape slider and also 
>swiches out on the EXT Modulation socket on the back. So there is no change 
>to the front panel of the 80 at all. However,  I am working on a totally 
>faithfull replacment front panel for the 80 to restore one's that have seen 
>to much damage over the years. I want to keep these fantastic machines going 
>for as long as I can.
>
>  
>

>
> Hi Kent,
> 
> thanks for the explenation. 64 vca-ic's, that's a lot of rare ic's. 
> I thought you would generate the extra lfo's digitally ;-)
> Personally, I don't need the seperate lfo-mod. However, I find it 
> difficult to program nice string-sounds on the CS80. I don't even 
> come close to the strings of an prophet, jupiter or OB-8 etc. 
> There's allways too much or too little PWM. It just sounds to much 
> modulated and not as a rich stringsound. I don't know why, is it the 
> filter ? I guess (!) that having the PWM lfo phase-shifted for each 
> voice seperatly could give nice results, maybe a simple circuit 
> would do the trick ? Why would we need to have the PWM on all voices 
> phase-synced, I don't anyway ?